From chriszf at gmail.com  Fri Jul  1 16:47:01 2011
From: chriszf at gmail.com (Christian Fernandez)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 16:47:01 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Python class cancelled on Tuesday 7/5
Message-ID: <BANLkTin1cf4o9H3qXtk+=U97N=v5Qv5sAg@mail.gmail.com>

It's my girlfriend's birthday and I'm pretty sure she won't appreciate
me teaching class instead. See you all the week after!

--
Christian


From gittel at twocats.com  Sun Jul  3 19:41:26 2011
From: gittel at twocats.com (Mike Gittelsohn)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 19:41:26 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] laser room shelves
Message-ID: <CAKfrLO2tZ7=p+8xaGuO388dCgUFUHvL3x4CqKyR2iq37+UB9qA@mail.gmail.com>

Costa and I are in the process of building 15 shelves along the east wall of
the laser room at Ace Monster Toys. Each shelf will hold 16 square feet of
stuff for a total of about 240 square feet of storage. We imagine that this
will be storage for user projects in large plastic bins, and storage for
machinery. These shelves should make organization downstairs much better.
Currently the shelves are not fully supported, so don't use them until we
give the ok.

Mike

-- 
Mike Gittelsohn
1638 Ward Street
Berkeley, CA 94703
510-812-8620 (cell)
gittel at twocats.com

"Nothing in biology makes sense except in light of evolution"

- Theodosius Dobzhansky
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From zakzibrat at gmail.com  Mon Jul  4 16:43:35 2011
From: zakzibrat at gmail.com (Zachary Zibrat)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 16:43:35 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] glass cutting?
Message-ID: <CAAbFHLdo6sUxBW2kUiLuiXKk2mLLDFbo+V+LvdABdZTd8BZ2VQ@mail.gmail.com>

hello,

does AMT have anything that would be good for cutting the bottoms off
of glass objects such as bottles, jars, etc?

thanks!
zak


From romanian at gmail.com  Mon Jul  4 17:07:14 2011
From: romanian at gmail.com (Stefan Hristu)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 19:07:14 -0500
Subject: [AMTD] glass cutting?
In-Reply-To: <CAAbFHLdo6sUxBW2kUiLuiXKk2mLLDFbo+V+LvdABdZTd8BZ2VQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAbFHLdo6sUxBW2kUiLuiXKk2mLLDFbo+V+LvdABdZTd8BZ2VQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPdpSwxCM0=MGxgtVybbX18UmPVoNCd=pFCwRxMm56ic1tLghw@mail.gmail.com>

Not that I know of, but you can always try the hot oil/cold water method of
popping ends off. Not guaranteed to work, but does a clean job when it does
:-)
On Jul 4, 2011 4:44 PM, "Zachary Zibrat" <zakzibrat at gmail.com> wrote:
> hello,
>
> does AMT have anything that would be good for cutting the bottoms off
> of glass objects such as bottles, jars, etc?
>
> thanks!
> zak
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Tue Jul  5 09:34:19 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 09:34:19 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Lasers and Al
Message-ID: <3C5E044F-7A0B-4990-8019-9C64D6ED2E0D@openbuddha.com>

I'm back from being away for nine days (did ya miss me? No, don't answer.)

Is there anyone interested and willing to show me how to operate the megalaser tonight after work?

Al



From biff at cliffle.com  Tue Jul  5 16:38:20 2011
From: biff at cliffle.com (Cliff L. Biffle)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 16:38:20 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Lasers and Al
In-Reply-To: <3C5E044F-7A0B-4990-8019-9C64D6ED2E0D@openbuddha.com>
References: <3C5E044F-7A0B-4990-8019-9C64D6ED2E0D@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <CA+hY8Pq8k_9nN-Cm4WMf99-F60XRm7d4JXBoMon68+CEFJYCrg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> I'm back from being away for nine days (did ya miss me? No, don't answer.)
>
> Is there anyone interested and willing to show me how to operate the megalaser tonight after work?

+1 -- I have a basic idea how to operate it, but I'd like to sit with
someone else to learn the software.  I can bring a couple simple
designs for testing.

-- 
Cliff L. Biffle
http://cliffle.com/


From albill at openbuddha.com  Tue Jul  5 16:42:31 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen BIllings)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 16:42:31 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Lasers and Al
In-Reply-To: <CA+hY8Pq8k_9nN-Cm4WMf99-F60XRm7d4JXBoMon68+CEFJYCrg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3C5E044F-7A0B-4990-8019-9C64D6ED2E0D@openbuddha.com>
	<CA+hY8Pq8k_9nN-Cm4WMf99-F60XRm7d4JXBoMon68+CEFJYCrg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <07ADF621-AC5D-478B-A3A3-EB97CEF12B4F@openbuddha.com>

I'd love to do this but sounds like it isn't an option until tomorrow or Thursday unless someone other than David is willing to do it.

On Jul 5, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Cliff L. Biffle wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
>> I'm back from being away for nine days (did ya miss me? No, don't answer.)
>> 
>> Is there anyone interested and willing to show me how to operate the megalaser tonight after work?
> 
> +1 -- I have a basic idea how to operate it, but I'd like to sit with
> someone else to learn the software.  I can bring a couple simple
> designs for testing.
> 
> -- 
> Cliff L. Biffle
> http://cliffle.com/



From drorex at gmail.com  Wed Jul  6 07:31:22 2011
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 07:31:22 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Multicolor 3d prints
Message-ID: <CACAQXeLw0b0ZY8iXbT_8YXj1vyTr4ykm8kefcVV87aBM3DfG_g@mail.gmail.com>

Basically he just joins different color filaments together:

http://richrap.blogspot.com/2011/06/multicolour-3d-prints-and-3mm-filament.html

http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:9850
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Wed Jul  6 11:52:06 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen BIllings)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 11:52:06 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Blackhat and Defcon
Message-ID: <29B8ADEB-02BD-4A52-B2B6-F3A47FA89FD1@openbuddha.com>

Is anyone else going to be at Blackhat and/or Defcon in a month? Work sends me to this and I'll be at both.

Al



From me at robbiet.us  Wed Jul  6 12:34:43 2011
From: me at robbiet.us (Robbie Trencheny)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 12:34:43 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Blackhat and Defcon
In-Reply-To: <29B8ADEB-02BD-4A52-B2B6-F3A47FA89FD1@openbuddha.com>
References: <29B8ADEB-02BD-4A52-B2B6-F3A47FA89FD1@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <1467191458738164841@unknownmsgid>

I *want* to go...

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 6, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Al Jigen BIllings <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:

> Is anyone else going to be at Blackhat and/or Defcon in a month? Work sends me to this and I'll be at both.
>
> Al
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss


From myles at tenhand.com  Wed Jul  6 12:51:52 2011
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 12:51:52 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Blackhat and Defcon
In-Reply-To: <29B8ADEB-02BD-4A52-B2B6-F3A47FA89FD1@openbuddha.com>
References: <29B8ADEB-02BD-4A52-B2B6-F3A47FA89FD1@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <F0BE03BC-BFAD-4FB3-87FC-1AA50E20B6BE@tenhand.com>

I'll be going. I may drive at least one way if someone wants a ride. 


On Jul 6, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Al Jigen BIllings wrote:

> Is anyone else going to be at Blackhat and/or Defcon in a month? Work sends me to this and I'll be at both.
> 
> Al
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss



From albill at openbuddha.com  Wed Jul  6 13:13:10 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen BIllings)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 13:13:10 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Blackhat and Defcon
In-Reply-To: <F0BE03BC-BFAD-4FB3-87FC-1AA50E20B6BE@tenhand.com>
References: <29B8ADEB-02BD-4A52-B2B6-F3A47FA89FD1@openbuddha.com>
	<F0BE03BC-BFAD-4FB3-87FC-1AA50E20B6BE@tenhand.com>
Message-ID: <04031E71-23B1-402C-ABA3-DFF1DFC919EF@openbuddha.com>

To both or just one?

On Jul 6, 2011, at 12:51 PM, myles wrote:

> I'll be going. I may drive at least one way if someone wants a ride. 
> 
> 
> On Jul 6, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Al Jigen BIllings wrote:
> 
>> Is anyone else going to be at Blackhat and/or Defcon in a month? Work sends me to this and I'll be at both.
>> 
>> Al
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss



From myles at tenhand.com  Wed Jul  6 13:16:27 2011
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 13:16:27 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Blackhat and Defcon
In-Reply-To: <04031E71-23B1-402C-ABA3-DFF1DFC919EF@openbuddha.com>
References: <29B8ADEB-02BD-4A52-B2B6-F3A47FA89FD1@openbuddha.com>
	<F0BE03BC-BFAD-4FB3-87FC-1AA50E20B6BE@tenhand.com>
	<04031E71-23B1-402C-ABA3-DFF1DFC919EF@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <80193815-FF0A-4A4B-B7E9-FE6A10942F0F@tenhand.com>

I'll be at B-sides security in the day, and the first couple days of Defcon / through Len Sassaman's wake. 

On Jul 6, 2011, at 1:13 PM, Al Jigen BIllings wrote:

> To both or just one?
> 
> On Jul 6, 2011, at 12:51 PM, myles wrote:
> 
>> I'll be going. I may drive at least one way if someone wants a ride. 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 6, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Al Jigen BIllings wrote:
>> 
>>> Is anyone else going to be at Blackhat and/or Defcon in a month? Work sends me to this and I'll be at both.
>>> 
>>> Al
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> 



From drorex at gmail.com  Wed Jul  6 18:13:44 2011
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 18:13:44 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Come play with the laser tonight (or microcontrollers)
Message-ID: <CACAQXeL=DkALBj=zm5uHaJTcm_igFQqCZ+SyykO4ws2RzmSW8g@mail.gmail.com>

My regularly scheduled AVR/arduino class/workshop is tonight, but I'll also
be able to show people how the laser works if they want. I'm at the space
from now until about 9pm

-David
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From travis+ml-acemonstertoys at subspacefield.org  Wed Jul  6 19:11:58 2011
From: travis+ml-acemonstertoys at subspacefield.org (travis+ml-acemonstertoys at subspacefield.org)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 19:11:58 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Blackhat and Defcon
In-Reply-To: <80193815-FF0A-4A4B-B7E9-FE6A10942F0F@tenhand.com>
References: <29B8ADEB-02BD-4A52-B2B6-F3A47FA89FD1@openbuddha.com>
	<F0BE03BC-BFAD-4FB3-87FC-1AA50E20B6BE@tenhand.com>
	<04031E71-23B1-402C-ABA3-DFF1DFC919EF@openbuddha.com>
	<80193815-FF0A-4A4B-B7E9-FE6A10942F0F@tenhand.com>
Message-ID: <20110707021157.GA31647@subspacefield.org>

On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 01:16:27PM -0700, myles wrote:
> I'll be at B-sides security in the day, and the first couple days of Defcon / through Len Sassaman's wake. 

I'm gonna ask for the time off, and may go on the Hackbus:

http://www.hackbus.net/

BTW, Dr. J's email stopped working, and I see no emails since
January... is he still alive?
-- 
http://www.subspacefield.org/~travis/ | Meijin ni joseki nashi
"Tradition is the illusion of permanence" - Woody Allen
If you are a spammer, please email john at subspacefield.org to get blacklisted.
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Wed Jul  6 19:36:16 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 19:36:16 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Blackhat and Defcon
In-Reply-To: <20110707021157.GA31647@subspacefield.org>
References: <29B8ADEB-02BD-4A52-B2B6-F3A47FA89FD1@openbuddha.com>
	<F0BE03BC-BFAD-4FB3-87FC-1AA50E20B6BE@tenhand.com>
	<04031E71-23B1-402C-ABA3-DFF1DFC919EF@openbuddha.com>
	<80193815-FF0A-4A4B-B7E9-FE6A10942F0F@tenhand.com>
	<20110707021157.GA31647@subspacefield.org>
Message-ID: <5CC1E238-D560-42F2-BCC9-98CC6FC21C7B@openbuddha.com>


On Jul 6, 2011, at 7:11 PM, travis+ml-acemonstertoys at subspacefield.org wrote:

> BTW, Dr. J's email stopped working, and I see no emails since
> January... is he still alive?

He is often in the #noisebridge channel. AFAIK, he has resigned from AMT effective last month. I don't know that any of us have seen him for a couple of months. I did hear that his old email address is no longer good though. I suggest IRC.

Al

From travis+ml-acemonstertoys at subspacefield.org  Wed Jul  6 23:09:03 2011
From: travis+ml-acemonstertoys at subspacefield.org (travis+ml-acemonstertoys at subspacefield.org)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 23:09:03 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Blackhat and Defcon
In-Reply-To: <5CC1E238-D560-42F2-BCC9-98CC6FC21C7B@openbuddha.com>
References: <29B8ADEB-02BD-4A52-B2B6-F3A47FA89FD1@openbuddha.com>
	<F0BE03BC-BFAD-4FB3-87FC-1AA50E20B6BE@tenhand.com>
	<04031E71-23B1-402C-ABA3-DFF1DFC919EF@openbuddha.com>
	<80193815-FF0A-4A4B-B7E9-FE6A10942F0F@tenhand.com>
	<20110707021157.GA31647@subspacefield.org>
	<5CC1E238-D560-42F2-BCC9-98CC6FC21C7B@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <20110707060902.GB31647@subspacefield.org>

On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 07:36:16PM -0700, Al Jigen Billings wrote:
> He is often in the #noisebridge channel. AFAIK, he has resigned from AMT effective last month. I don't know that any of us have seen him for a couple of months. I did hear that his old email address is no longer good though. I suggest IRC.

Every four or five years I want to use IRC, I have to go find the docs on how to configure irssi since all the servers have changed.

Then I gotta google servers for IRC.

Then I gotta configure it.

Lots of work :-(
-- 
http://www.subspacefield.org/~travis/ | Meijin ni joseki nashi
"Tradition is the illusion of permanence" - Woody Allen
If you are a spammer, please email john at subspacefield.org to get blacklisted.
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From drorex at gmail.com  Wed Jul  6 23:12:00 2011
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 23:12:00 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Blackhat and Defcon
Message-ID: <CACAQXeJ7H6v-suLAqdgGGyNxcDWTbA9y2xwnWSFiLD+YuY420A@mail.gmail.com>

1. Google freenode irc web chat
2. Enter name, #noisebridge channel, answer captcha
3. ...
4. Profit!
On Jul 6, 2011 11:09 PM, "travis+ml-acemonstertoys at subspacefield.org" <
travis+ml-acemonstertoys at subspacefield.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 07:36:16PM -0700, Al Jigen Billings wrote:
>> He is often in the #noisebridge channel. AFAIK, he has resigned from AMT
effective last month. I don't know that any of us have seen him for a couple
of months. I did hear that his old email address is no longer good though. I
suggest IRC.
>
> Every four or five years I want to use IRC, I have to go find the docs on
how to configure irssi since all the servers have changed.
>
> Then I gotta google servers for IRC.
>
> Then I gotta configure it.
>
> Lots of work :-(
> --
> http://www.subspacefield.org/~travis/ | Meijin ni joseki nashi
> "Tradition is the illusion of permanence" - Woody Allen
> If you are a spammer, please email john at subspacefield.org to get
blacklisted.
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Wed Jul  6 23:13:14 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen BIllings)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 23:13:14 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Blackhat and Defcon
In-Reply-To: <20110707060902.GB31647@subspacefield.org>
References: <29B8ADEB-02BD-4A52-B2B6-F3A47FA89FD1@openbuddha.com>
	<F0BE03BC-BFAD-4FB3-87FC-1AA50E20B6BE@tenhand.com>
	<04031E71-23B1-402C-ABA3-DFF1DFC919EF@openbuddha.com>
	<80193815-FF0A-4A4B-B7E9-FE6A10942F0F@tenhand.com>
	<20110707021157.GA31647@subspacefield.org>
	<5CC1E238-D560-42F2-BCC9-98CC6FC21C7B@openbuddha.com>
	<20110707060902.GB31647@subspacefield.org>
Message-ID: <E082EFE9-7A31-486B-91E4-887C8906B243@openbuddha.com>


On Jul 6, 2011, at 11:09 PM, travis+ml-acemonstertoys at subspacefield.org wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 07:36:16PM -0700, Al Jigen Billings wrote:
>> He is often in the #noisebridge channel. AFAIK, he has resigned from AMT effective last month. I don't know that any of us have seen him for a couple of months. I did hear that his old email address is no longer good though. I suggest IRC.
> 
> Every four or five years I want to use IRC, I have to go find the docs on how to configure irssi since all the servers have changed.
> 
> Then I gotta google servers for IRC.
> 
> Then I gotta configure it.
> 
> Lots of work :-(

I guess it depends on how badly you want to talk to him. :-)

Al




From drorex at gmail.com  Sun Jul 10 18:29:24 2011
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 18:29:24 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Fwd: interested in printing equipment?
In-Reply-To: <656DD215-D7E4-47D8-9C1A-CF6BD9ADF529@gmail.com>
References: <656DD215-D7E4-47D8-9C1A-CF6BD9ADF529@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACAQXe+kP7ZkjoeOQ__AvhGYsBKg6B-p+E+kA-ZybT5e2anOQg@mail.gmail.com>

I know someone who's looking to sell some letterpress equipment (Heidelberg
Windmill press, guillotine paper cutter, photopolymer plate maker). Let me
know if anyone is interested, and I'll get more details.
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Sun Jul 10 18:39:49 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen BIllings)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 18:39:49 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Fwd: interested in printing equipment?
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXe+kP7ZkjoeOQ__AvhGYsBKg6B-p+E+kA-ZybT5e2anOQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <656DD215-D7E4-47D8-9C1A-CF6BD9ADF529@gmail.com>
	<CACAQXe+kP7ZkjoeOQ__AvhGYsBKg6B-p+E+kA-ZybT5e2anOQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1A633CAB-80F7-4990-9128-27633465D2BD@openbuddha.com>

I'd like to hear more.

On Jul 10, 2011, at 6:29 PM, David Rorex wrote:

> I know someone who's looking to sell some letterpress equipment (Heidelberg Windmill press, guillotine paper cutter, photopolymer plate maker). Let me know if anyone is interested, and I'll get more details.
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss

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From hephaestus at antipunk.net  Sun Jul 10 18:42:26 2011
From: hephaestus at antipunk.net (Hephaestus)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 18:42:26 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Fwd: interested in printing equipment?
In-Reply-To: <1A633CAB-80F7-4990-9128-27633465D2BD@openbuddha.com>
References: <656DD215-D7E4-47D8-9C1A-CF6BD9ADF529@gmail.com>
	<CACAQXe+kP7ZkjoeOQ__AvhGYsBKg6B-p+E+kA-ZybT5e2anOQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1A633CAB-80F7-4990-9128-27633465D2BD@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <CABZdcAmO5Z=s+v5xy2Jwwy4jD7FEn_CNdaFNDid4Ub1kn9cOFw@mail.gmail.com>

Oh, I'd _like_ to hear more, but don't _want_ to, for the sake of my already
too-cluttered apartment :-(

If someone does grab these, let me know if I can come over some time and use
them :-)

--
Heph
On Jul 10, 2011 6:39 PM, "Al Jigen BIllings" <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> I'd like to hear more.
>
> On Jul 10, 2011, at 6:29 PM, David Rorex wrote:
>
>> I know someone who's looking to sell some letterpress equipment
(Heidelberg Windmill press, guillotine paper cutter, photopolymer plate
maker). Let me know if anyone is interested, and I'll get more details.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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From drorex at gmail.com  Sun Jul 10 18:48:36 2011
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 18:48:36 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] faster way of making interlocking edges in google sketchup?
Message-ID: <CACAQXeLYiG+GoP5+5W+7rgcKqEm=ZmVanCiAYKSvOaRMYeZVng@mail.gmail.com>

Want to make a box like shape for cutting on the laser cutter. It's more
complex than a simple 6 sided box, so i can't use those scripts out there,
they're not flexible enough. Anyone know a better way of making the
interlocking edges? Right now I'm doing:

1. Offset the face by the width of the material
2. Divide the line by some number, draw lines segmenting it across
3. Delete every other line to create the interlocking shape

screenshot illustrating: http://i.imgur.com/5PTqj.png

But it takes forever and a day. I was hoping there was some shortcut to
speed up the process (Ideally a script that'll eat a 3d model, break apart
the faces, and add interlocking edges...but that might be too much to ask)
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From drorex at gmail.com  Sun Jul 10 20:10:00 2011
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:10:00 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] faster way of making interlocking edges in google
	sketchup?
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXeLYiG+GoP5+5W+7rgcKqEm=ZmVanCiAYKSvOaRMYeZVng@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACAQXeLYiG+GoP5+5W+7rgcKqEm=ZmVanCiAYKSvOaRMYeZVng@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACAQXeLsv0PaSGOpc6oGV5MZbzr1mX__txiSApCtO_FyDxbbZw@mail.gmail.com>

Here's nubsauce's method of copying & pasting to speed things up:

http://i.imgur.com/ukZhc.jpg

Second problem...how to handle the concave joins? I think I might just have
to do it after exporting the model to 2D

On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 6:48 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:

> Want to make a box like shape for cutting on the laser cutter. It's more
> complex than a simple 6 sided box, so i can't use those scripts out there,
> they're not flexible enough. Anyone know a better way of making the
> interlocking edges? Right now I'm doing:
>
> 1. Offset the face by the width of the material
> 2. Divide the line by some number, draw lines segmenting it across
> 3. Delete every other line to create the interlocking shape
>
> screenshot illustrating: http://i.imgur.com/5PTqj.png
>
> But it takes forever and a day. I was hoping there was some shortcut to
> speed up the process (Ideally a script that'll eat a 3d model, break apart
> the faces, and add interlocking edges...but that might be too much to ask)
>
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Thu Jul 14 12:01:15 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen BIllings)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:01:15 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Suggested Android Apps
Message-ID: <626EFC7B-EAD1-4E59-BB93-BDC6870C0030@openbuddha.com>

I'm using an Android phone daily right now and I will be using a Xoom soon as a tablet, at least sometimes.

I'm interested in what cool or essential apps people are using there. I'm not talking about games like Angry Birds but more hackerish stuff.

Any particular suggestions?

I do have Easy Tether, which is nice, Quasseldroid, and a few similar things but a VNC app but I know people are writing some cool stuff out there that isn't on the Market.

Al



From myles at tenhand.com  Fri Jul 15 16:52:33 2011
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 16:52:33 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] CO2 laser wavelength?
Message-ID: <2E25ECA9-AD43-4F19-8B10-7B33D009B495@tenhand.com>


What's the wavelength of the lab's laser cutter? I was looking at safety glasses, and it looks like glasses for some CO2 frequencies are cheap ($30), but slightly different wavelengths are around $200

From hephaestus at antipunk.net  Sat Jul 16 12:10:49 2011
From: hephaestus at antipunk.net (Hephaestus)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 12:10:49 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] CO2 laser wavelength?
In-Reply-To: <2E25ECA9-AD43-4F19-8B10-7B33D009B495@tenhand.com>
References: <2E25ECA9-AD43-4F19-8B10-7B33D009B495@tenhand.com>
Message-ID: <CABZdcAmcqVtvavj-UB0cLQdurH4hOPwaS2p7AizooB90JyaLrQ@mail.gmail.com>

CO2 lasers are 10,600nm.

--
Heph

On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 4:52 PM, myles <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:
>
> What's the wavelength of the lab's laser cutter? I was looking at safety glasses, and it looks like glasses for some CO2 frequencies are cheap ($30), but slightly different wavelengths are around $200
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>


From myles at tenhand.com  Sat Jul 16 12:17:55 2011
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 12:17:55 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] CO2 laser wavelength?
In-Reply-To: <CABZdcAmcqVtvavj-UB0cLQdurH4hOPwaS2p7AizooB90JyaLrQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2E25ECA9-AD43-4F19-8B10-7B33D009B495@tenhand.com>
	<CABZdcAmcqVtvavj-UB0cLQdurH4hOPwaS2p7AizooB90JyaLrQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C25421D3-FE5A-4CDD-8129-F90709433F91@tenhand.com>

Yup, I eventually figured out that more expensive glasses cover CO2 *and* UV or excimer lasers with nearby frequencies. Looks like all CO2 is more or less the same (which makes sense). 


On Jul 16, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Hephaestus wrote:

> CO2 lasers are 10,600nm.
> 
> --
> Heph
> 
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 4:52 PM, myles <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:
>> 
>> What's the wavelength of the lab's laser cutter? I was looking at safety glasses, and it looks like glasses for some CO2 frequencies are cheap ($30), but slightly different wavelengths are around $200
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> 



From jjrosent at heatsynclabs.org  Mon Jul 18 01:58:37 2011
From: jjrosent at heatsynclabs.org (Jacob Rosenthal)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 01:58:37 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Good source for acrylic sheets?
In-Reply-To: <6B254455-AE68-4D74-BA76-C3E7546AEC7F@openbuddha.com>
References: <BANLkTi=0vZm+t4boruZZ4F0R7bokaiLeaQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<6B254455-AE68-4D74-BA76-C3E7546AEC7F@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <CAJvmB2shjfP45yKpzHOygSMh4HN6gEcmnt0Em0sUxLpGOjNe2A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all!

Jacob from HeatSync here.  Someone we've used, and will continue to
use for speciality colors of acrylic is Estreet
http://www.estreetplastics.com/

Pricing is certainly higher, but no one else stocks orange and black
acrylic, our colors :)

http://www.heatsynclabs.org/wp-content/gallery/picsbecauseithappened-2011-03-06/lasershark.jpg




On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Al Jigen BIllings
<albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> Kiki told me:
>
> "Interstate Electric. ?They are a signage supplier. ?You'll have to buy full sheets, but they do deliver -- same day if ordered before, I think, 9am."
>
> ?Her advice was, in fact, to generally require people to use our stuff unless they REALLY know what they are doing (are an official machine operator, I would say) and not a member of the public.
>
> ?She'll probably reply to this too.
>
> Al
>
> On Jun 30, 2011, at 10:35 AM, David Rorex wrote:
>
>> Al had mentioned he was going to find out where Ponoko gets their acrylic from, but I was wondering if anyone else knew of a good source for acrylic sheets for cutting on the laser? Ideally it would be inexpensive, and have different options in regards to thickness and color. We've talked about having a supply on-hand that people can purchase on the spot, so that they don't need to hassle with ordering them on their own, if they just want some standard sizes.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>



-- 
Jacob Rosenthal
Champion | HeatSync Labs
480.389.4743 | jacob at heatsynclabs.org
Twitter: @heatsynclabs @jacobrosenthal
http://www.heatsynclabs.org


From drorex at gmail.com  Mon Jul 18 15:13:59 2011
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:13:59 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] DIY 4'x8' CNC for $2500
Message-ID: <CACAQXeLQzzM2dtTJYpdEs5MMeg6YBrerkgT-qLGrvEvbQ=FwMQ@mail.gmail.com>

The highest payment bracket of $2500 gets you all the parts minus the table
and the computer to run it:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1738994529/kikori-open-source-cnc-gantry-router

Anyone want to organize a collection to gather the money for it?
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From drorex at gmail.com  Mon Jul 18 16:50:37 2011
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 16:50:37 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] AMT Door access
Message-ID: <CACAQXeJUEGUNR82LRmBkpUAiaa1NKT7gwt=jdX32UnJ1apkyZg@mail.gmail.com>

We're working on integrating stuff better, and I'll be making changes to the
door access code over the next week or so. Shouldn't be any problems, but if
there are, call me at 925-452-7377 (925-4LASERS) and i'll hack in and force
the door open or something
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Mon Jul 18 18:55:32 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 18:55:32 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Burning Man Bike
Message-ID: <m5s5cctv79ru9c5of73mtyfu.1311040532944@email.android.com>

Anyone need a bike for Burning Man? I have one that I took in 2008 and Heph took in 2009. 

$25

Al

From myles at tenhand.com  Mon Jul 18 19:03:51 2011
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 19:03:51 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Burning Man Bike
In-Reply-To: <m5s5cctv79ru9c5of73mtyfu.1311040532944@email.android.com>
References: <m5s5cctv79ru9c5of73mtyfu.1311040532944@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <C87D6B59-6519-4817-B2C9-FD7634E7B437@tenhand.com>

Anyone need burningman radios? I have 14 identical MURS radios modded for better range & reception. 

On Jul 18, 2011, at 6:55 PM, Al Jigen Billings wrote:

> Anyone need a bike for Burning Man? I have one that I took in 2008 and Heph took in 2009. 
> 
> $25
> 
> Al
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss



From biff at cliffle.com  Tue Jul 19 08:47:39 2011
From: biff at cliffle.com (Cliff L. Biffle)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 08:47:39 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Burning Man Bike
In-Reply-To: <m5s5cctv79ru9c5of73mtyfu.1311040532944@email.android.com>
References: <m5s5cctv79ru9c5of73mtyfu.1311040532944@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <CA+hY8Poi3RkgLoW3UuMtHYmyFg5-xzMvrvSVy34Csd6h+iHP0w@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Al Jigen Billings
<albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> Anyone need a bike for Burning Man? I have one that I took in 2008 and Heph
> took in 2009.

Hm, I might be interested.  How ridiculous-looking is it?

(I may be going to Burning Man, but I'm not doing it in pink fur.)

-- 
Cliff L. Biffle
http://cliffle.com/


From biff at cliffle.com  Tue Jul 19 08:50:23 2011
From: biff at cliffle.com (Cliff L. Biffle)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 08:50:23 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Burning Man Bike
In-Reply-To: <C87D6B59-6519-4817-B2C9-FD7634E7B437@tenhand.com>
References: <m5s5cctv79ru9c5of73mtyfu.1311040532944@email.android.com>
	<C87D6B59-6519-4817-B2C9-FD7634E7B437@tenhand.com>
Message-ID: <CA+hY8Prp4D=XQ79Xg8X7JDdvN2ORDAeUnZ5fU4WOOd8=0G0fBw@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 7:03 PM, myles <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:
> Anyone need burningman radios? I have 14 identical MURS radios modded
> for better range & reception.

These mods wouldn't happen to be illegal, would they?  It'd be a shame
to get the FCC after AMT...

-- 
Cliff L. Biffle
http://cliffle.com/


From myles at tenhand.com  Tue Jul 19 08:57:53 2011
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 08:57:53 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Burning Man Bike
In-Reply-To: <CA+hY8Prp4D=XQ79Xg8X7JDdvN2ORDAeUnZ5fU4WOOd8=0G0fBw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <m5s5cctv79ru9c5of73mtyfu.1311040532944@email.android.com>
	<C87D6B59-6519-4817-B2C9-FD7634E7B437@tenhand.com>
	<CA+hY8Prp4D=XQ79Xg8X7JDdvN2ORDAeUnZ5fU4WOOd8=0G0fBw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F8C230F7-3C65-4335-AB9C-F25CC16411C5@tenhand.com>

They were legal at the time they I made the changes..... MURS laws have changed a couple of times & I haven't checked recently.  All I did was replace crap antennas with better gain ones. Removable antennas were legal, and the devices were still below max PEP. 

.... checking wikipedia

Looks like they're still legit, but you might need to transmit on low power to stay below 2 watts with the largest antennas. 


On Jul 19, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Cliff L. Biffle wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 7:03 PM, myles <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:
>> Anyone need burningman radios? I have 14 identical MURS radios modded
>> for better range & reception.
> 
> These mods wouldn't happen to be illegal, would they?  It'd be a shame
> to get the FCC after AMT...
> 
> -- 
> Cliff L. Biffle
> http://cliffle.com/



From albill at openbuddha.com  Tue Jul 19 09:36:32 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 09:36:32 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Burning Man Bike
In-Reply-To: <CA+hY8Poi3RkgLoW3UuMtHYmyFg5-xzMvrvSVy34Csd6h+iHP0w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <m5s5cctv79ru9c5of73mtyfu.1311040532944@email.android.com>
	<CA+hY8Poi3RkgLoW3UuMtHYmyFg5-xzMvrvSVy34Csd6h+iHP0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86C55CB0-E3BF-4495-A338-F04DCFEDC833@openbuddha.com>

It looks like a Playa covered bike with a small amount of EL wire. It could be comically small on you but then Heph managed to ride it so... Ask the big guy.

 I need more room for weights and our scooter.

Al

On Jul 19, 2011, at 8:47 AM, "Cliff L. Biffle" <biff at cliffle.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Al Jigen Billings
> <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
>> Anyone need a bike for Burning Man? I have one that I took in 2008 and Heph
>> took in 2009.
> 
> Hm, I might be interested.  How ridiculous-looking is it?
> 
> (I may be going to Burning Man, but I'm not doing it in pink fur.)
> 
> -- 
> Cliff L. Biffle
> http://cliffle.com/


From albill at openbuddha.com  Tue Jul 19 09:42:20 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 09:42:20 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Distilling?
Message-ID: <BCF7696A-DB78-45C9-9FFC-515C806051DC@openbuddha.com>

Anyone know about distilling or done it before? I'm interested in setting up a small amount of glassware (at home, not the space) for quarter or sized distillation. The Internet is full of some info but I know that some of you have done lab work before. Don't make me ask my mom (who is a lab tech of some sort).

Al

From romanian at gmail.com  Tue Jul 19 09:52:01 2011
From: romanian at gmail.com (Stefan Hristu)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:52:01 -0500
Subject: [AMTD] Distilling?
Message-ID: <CAPdpSww9MRsqajLzbd9nBmscWu87xw4-JtgXoPBUgQB1-UMJYA@mail.gmail.com>

Easy stuff. Our basement is already full of distillation and extraction
glass. I could hold a class/lab on that if anyone is interested.

I just found my old organic chem lab on distillation last night ...
coincidence?

Stefan
On Jul 19, 2011 9:42 AM, "Al Jigen Billings" <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
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From hephaestus at antipunk.net  Tue Jul 19 09:58:39 2011
From: hephaestus at antipunk.net (Hephaestus)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 09:58:39 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Distilling?
In-Reply-To: <CAPdpSww9MRsqajLzbd9nBmscWu87xw4-JtgXoPBUgQB1-UMJYA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPdpSww9MRsqajLzbd9nBmscWu87xw4-JtgXoPBUgQB1-UMJYA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABZdcAmRev0q7Mr8Fk_LJ0Xiz8xwgHRF6G9WWB5t+gZ9ww2VKw@mail.gmail.com>

*cough* Perfume making... not distilling... it's just innocent, perfectly
legal perfume making...

--
Heph
On Jul 19, 2011 9:52 AM, "Stefan Hristu" <romanian at gmail.com> wrote:
> Easy stuff. Our basement is already full of distillation and extraction
> glass. I could hold a class/lab on that if anyone is interested.
>
> I just found my old organic chem lab on distillation last night ...
> coincidence?
>
> Stefan
> On Jul 19, 2011 9:42 AM, "Al Jigen Billings" <albill at openbuddha.com>
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Tue Jul 19 10:09:41 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:09:41 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Distilling?
In-Reply-To: <CAPdpSww9MRsqajLzbd9nBmscWu87xw4-JtgXoPBUgQB1-UMJYA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPdpSww9MRsqajLzbd9nBmscWu87xw4-JtgXoPBUgQB1-UMJYA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <155E47B8-9AC0-4482-81BC-81CCF6F7D795@openbuddha.com>

Sounds like a fun class to me!

On Jul 19, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Stefan Hristu <romanian at gmail.com> wrote:

> Easy stuff. Our basement is already full of distillation and extraction glass. I could hold a class/lab on that if anyone is interested.
> 
> I just found my old organic chem lab on distillation last night ... coincidence?
> 
> Stefan
> 
> On Jul 19, 2011 9:42 AM, "Al Jigen Billings" <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Tue Jul 19 10:10:17 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:10:17 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Distilling?
In-Reply-To: <CABZdcAmRev0q7Mr8Fk_LJ0Xiz8xwgHRF6G9WWB5t+gZ9ww2VKw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPdpSww9MRsqajLzbd9nBmscWu87xw4-JtgXoPBUgQB1-UMJYA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABZdcAmRev0q7Mr8Fk_LJ0Xiz8xwgHRF6G9WWB5t+gZ9ww2VKw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A793D3F8-BB5D-4FF7-91B2-2EB9CC2FE7FB@openbuddha.com>

What are you talking about? I sleep with a CPAP machine and it requires distiller water in the humidifier.

On Jul 19, 2011, at 9:58 AM, Hephaestus <hephaestus at antipunk.net> wrote:

> *cough* Perfume making... not distilling... it's just innocent, perfectly legal perfume making...
> 
> --
> Heph
> 
> On Jul 19, 2011 9:52 AM, "Stefan Hristu" <romanian at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Easy stuff. Our basement is already full of distillation and extraction
> > glass. I could hold a class/lab on that if anyone is interested.
> > 
> > I just found my old organic chem lab on distillation last night ...
> > coincidence?
> > 
> > Stefan
> > On Jul 19, 2011 9:42 AM, "Al Jigen Billings" <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
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From drorex at gmail.com  Tue Jul 19 10:19:11 2011
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:19:11 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Distilling?
In-Reply-To: <BCF7696A-DB78-45C9-9FFC-515C806051DC@openbuddha.com>
References: <BCF7696A-DB78-45C9-9FFC-515C806051DC@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <CACAQXeK78VEe_H2E1A-d8tak0dxCo+NKk6uta0DescFy_woMwQ@mail.gmail.com>

I did it in science class in high school...don't you just need to boil some
water and send the steam through a tube to condense in another container?

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com>wrote:

> Anyone know about distilling or done it before? I'm interested in setting
> up a small amount of glassware (at home, not the space) for quarter or sized
> distillation. The Internet is full of some info but I know that some of you
> have done lab work before. Don't make me ask my mom (who is a lab tech of
> some sort).
>
> Al
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Tue Jul 19 10:23:36 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen BIllings)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:23:36 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Distilling?
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXeK78VEe_H2E1A-d8tak0dxCo+NKk6uta0DescFy_woMwQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BCF7696A-DB78-45C9-9FFC-515C806051DC@openbuddha.com>
	<CACAQXeK78VEe_H2E1A-d8tak0dxCo+NKk6uta0DescFy_woMwQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <809D1737-B9C9-4972-8AF5-86C9D278723E@openbuddha.com>

Depends on if you're just doing water but, yes, it is predicated on the fact that different materials vaporize at different temperatures and you can separate them and then condense one out.

I figure teaching myself basic lab work with glassware and heat is silly when people like Stefan have actually been trained.

Al

On Jul 19, 2011, at 10:19 AM, David Rorex wrote:

> I did it in science class in high school...don't you just need to boil some water and send the steam through a tube to condense in another container?
> 
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> Anyone know about distilling or done it before? I'm interested in setting up a small amount of glassware (at home, not the space) for quarter or sized distillation. The Internet is full of some info but I know that some of you have done lab work before. Don't make me ask my mom (who is a lab tech of some sort).
> 
> Al
> _______________________________________________
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From sean.p.cusack at gmail.com  Tue Jul 19 10:27:55 2011
From: sean.p.cusack at gmail.com (Sean Cusack)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:27:55 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Distilling?
In-Reply-To: <809D1737-B9C9-4972-8AF5-86C9D278723E@openbuddha.com>
References: <BCF7696A-DB78-45C9-9FFC-515C806051DC@openbuddha.com>
	<CACAQXeK78VEe_H2E1A-d8tak0dxCo+NKk6uta0DescFy_woMwQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<809D1737-B9C9-4972-8AF5-86C9D278723E@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <CANioY+xi=q4VDtvb+dKZSxsNUzFGOSratOOQ2QuLGeyxD7LtPQ@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings!

I lurk on your list, but have a 22L glass setup that I run at noisebridge
every so often with and without refluxing options. I typically try to make
this happen on Wednesdays...if people are interested in making the trek
across the bay, I'd be happy to keep you in the loop on when I'm doing
another ferment/distill run...

Sean

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Al Jigen BIllings
<albill at openbuddha.com>wrote:

> Depends on if you're just doing water but, yes, it is predicated on the
> fact that different materials vaporize at different temperatures and you can
> separate them and then condense one out.
>
> I figure teaching myself basic lab work with glassware and heat is silly
> when people like Stefan have actually been trained.
>
> Al
>
> On Jul 19, 2011, at 10:19 AM, David Rorex wrote:
>
> I did it in science class in high school...don't you just need to boil some
> water and send the steam through a tube to condense in another container?
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com>wrote:
>
>> Anyone know about distilling or done it before? I'm interested in setting
>> up a small amount of glassware (at home, not the space) for quarter or sized
>> distillation. The Internet is full of some info but I know that some of you
>> have done lab work before. Don't make me ask my mom (who is a lab tech of
>> some sort).
>>
>> Al
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>
>
>
>
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From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 19 18:28:52 2011
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 18:28:52 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Suggested Android Apps
In-Reply-To: <626EFC7B-EAD1-4E59-BB93-BDC6870C0030@openbuddha.com>
References: <626EFC7B-EAD1-4E59-BB93-BDC6870C0030@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <4E262F54.9000901@gmail.com>

wifi manager lets me select which wifi AP to use. sometimes the 
strongest one is not the one i want.

dropbox is very useful if you use that service

qr droid is a qr code reader

terminal emulator (of course)

i'm confused why you use easy tether: does it basically let you use your 
phone as a modem, connected via usb? do you prefer this to sharing via 
wifi (i.e. creating an AP) because that would require root access?

On 07/14/2011 12:01 PM, Al Jigen BIllings wrote:
> Easy Tether,

-- 
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KA6RCQ
www.teachmetomake.com
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From drorex at gmail.com  Tue Jul 19 18:37:46 2011
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 18:37:46 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Suggested Android Apps
In-Reply-To: <4E262F54.9000901@gmail.com>
References: <626EFC7B-EAD1-4E59-BB93-BDC6870C0030@openbuddha.com>
	<4E262F54.9000901@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACAQXeLoOTmKAm6z8G+KMZWegQCMG3NJYme1NeoBa9uhwq-aiw@mail.gmail.com>

Personally I like USB tether because there's no overhead of wifi, works even
on computers without wifi, and it charges the phone at the same time. But
wifi tethering is often more convenient.

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Michael Shiloh <michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com
> wrote:

> wifi manager lets me select which wifi AP to use. sometimes the strongest
> one is not the one i want.
>
> dropbox is very useful if you use that service
>
> qr droid is a qr code reader
>
> terminal emulator (of course)
>
> i'm confused why you use easy tether: does it basically let you use your
> phone as a modem, connected via usb? do you prefer this to sharing via wifi
> (i.e. creating an AP) because that would require root access?
>
> On 07/14/2011 12:01 PM, Al Jigen BIllings wrote:
>
>> Easy Tether,
>>
>
> --
> Michael Shiloh
> KA6RCQ
> www.teachmetomake.com
> teachmetomake.wordpress.com
> Interested in classes? Join http://groups.google.com/**
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From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 19 18:42:28 2011
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 18:42:28 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Suggested Android Apps
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXeLoOTmKAm6z8G+KMZWegQCMG3NJYme1NeoBa9uhwq-aiw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <626EFC7B-EAD1-4E59-BB93-BDC6870C0030@openbuddha.com>
	<4E262F54.9000901@gmail.com>
	<CACAQXeLoOTmKAm6z8G+KMZWegQCMG3NJYme1NeoBa9uhwq-aiw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E263284.6010008@michaelshiloh.com>

good points, all.

BUT: does wifi tethering not require a rooted phone?

On 07/19/2011 06:37 PM, David Rorex wrote:
> Personally I like USB tether because there's no overhead of wifi, works
> even on computers without wifi, and it charges the phone at the same
> time. But wifi tethering is often more convenient.
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Michael Shiloh
> <michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com <mailto:michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     wifi manager lets me select which wifi AP to use. sometimes the
>     strongest one is not the one i want.
>
>     dropbox is very useful if you use that service
>
>     qr droid is a qr code reader
>
>     terminal emulator (of course)
>
>     i'm confused why you use easy tether: does it basically let you use
>     your phone as a modem, connected via usb? do you prefer this to
>     sharing via wifi (i.e. creating an AP) because that would require
>     root access?
>
>     On 07/14/2011 12:01 PM, Al Jigen BIllings wrote:
>
>         Easy Tether,
>
>
>     --
>     Michael Shiloh
>     KA6RCQ
>     www.teachmetomake.com <http://www.teachmetomake.com>
>     teachmetomake.wordpress.com <http://teachmetomake.wordpress.com>
>     Interested in classes? Join http://groups.google.com/
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From louise.s.fox at gmail.com  Tue Jul 19 19:14:02 2011
From: louise.s.fox at gmail.com (Louise Fox)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 19:14:02 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Group Buy! Midi to Solenoid (5v fixed length note)
Message-ID: <CAPxmc0GtRGV9LxHV697qp8H9U+Y-oqTwV-uu0G8zbaBrMNsuiA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Guys,

I am buying this: http://highlyliquid.com/midi-decoders/md24/

It takes a midi signal and triggers one or all of its 24 5v outputs

I am having the guy alter the firmware so that each trigger is fixed length
note so that I can use it with solenoids.... meaning the note pulses the
solenoid on and then returns it to the off position. He is requesting a min.
order of 5. Anyone interested?

You can do cool things like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ35iQFeock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmi_gWO997E

or use midi to control analog drums...

Let me know if you are interested.

The default firmware is perfect for servos so don't get the altered firmware
if you plan on using servos!

-Louise
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From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 19 19:16:48 2011
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 19:16:48 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Group Buy! Midi to Solenoid (5v fixed length note)
In-Reply-To: <CAPxmc0GtRGV9LxHV697qp8H9U+Y-oqTwV-uu0G8zbaBrMNsuiA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPxmc0GtRGV9LxHV697qp8H9U+Y-oqTwV-uu0G8zbaBrMNsuiA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E263A90.9030201@gmail.com>

would be great for controlling solenoid propane valves for your burning 
man pyrotechnic needs...

On 07/19/2011 07:14 PM, Louise Fox wrote:
> Hey Guys,
>
> I am buying this: http://highlyliquid.com/midi-decoders/md24/
>
> It takes a midi signal and triggers one or all of its 24 5v outputs
>
> I am having the guy alter the firmware so that each trigger is fixed
> length note so that I can use it with solenoids.... meaning the note
> pulses the solenoid on and then returns it to the off position. He is
> requesting a min. order of 5. Anyone interested?
>
> You can do cool things like:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ35iQFeock
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmi_gWO997E
>
> or use midi to control analog drums...
>
> Let me know if you are interested.
>
> The default firmware is perfect for servos so don't get the altered
> firmware if you plan on using servos!
>
> -Louise
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss

-- 
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KA6RCQ
www.teachmetomake.com
teachmetomake.wordpress.com
Interested in classes? Join http://groups.google.com/group/teach-me-to-make


From albill at openbuddha.com  Tue Jul 19 19:23:50 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen BIllings)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 19:23:50 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Suggested Android Apps
In-Reply-To: <4E262F54.9000901@gmail.com>
References: <626EFC7B-EAD1-4E59-BB93-BDC6870C0030@openbuddha.com>
	<4E262F54.9000901@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A7555F02-41D8-42D7-9029-79450340AB7B@openbuddha.com>

Depends on whether you want to provide an attack vector to everyone sniffing wifi near you or not. :-)

Al

On Jul 19, 2011, at 6:28 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote:

> i'm confused why you use easy tether: does it basically let you use your phone as a modem, connected via usb? do you prefer this to sharing via wifi (i.e. creating an AP) because that would require root access?

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From albill at openbuddha.com  Tue Jul 19 19:24:19 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen BIllings)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 19:24:19 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Suggested Android Apps
In-Reply-To: <4E263284.6010008@michaelshiloh.com>
References: <626EFC7B-EAD1-4E59-BB93-BDC6870C0030@openbuddha.com>
	<4E262F54.9000901@gmail.com>
	<CACAQXeLoOTmKAm6z8G+KMZWegQCMG3NJYme1NeoBa9uhwq-aiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E263284.6010008@michaelshiloh.com>
Message-ID: <8CFF299D-55FC-4F3C-9762-7709740E7C87@openbuddha.com>

Is there anyone reading this that doesn't root their phone?

On Jul 19, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote:

> good points, all.
> 
> BUT: does wifi tethering not require a rooted phone?

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From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 19 19:29:32 2011
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 19:29:32 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Suggested Android Apps
In-Reply-To: <8CFF299D-55FC-4F3C-9762-7709740E7C87@openbuddha.com>
References: <626EFC7B-EAD1-4E59-BB93-BDC6870C0030@openbuddha.com>
	<4E262F54.9000901@gmail.com>
	<CACAQXeLoOTmKAm6z8G+KMZWegQCMG3NJYme1NeoBa9uhwq-aiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E263284.6010008@michaelshiloh.com>
	<8CFF299D-55FC-4F3C-9762-7709740E7C87@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <4E263D8C.4020300@michaelshiloh.com>

me

mostly because i haven't gotten around to it

but also i'm trying to understand what exactly can and can not be done
and at what stage does one need rooting.

so i'm trying to learn and understand, not to challenge your decisions

On 07/19/2011 07:24 PM, Al Jigen BIllings wrote:
> Is there anyone reading this that doesn't root their phone?
>
> On Jul 19, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote:
>
>> good points, all.
>>
>> BUT: does wifi tethering not require a rooted phone?
>


From albill at openbuddha.com  Tue Jul 19 19:35:59 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen BIllings)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 19:35:59 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Suggested Android Apps
In-Reply-To: <4E263D8C.4020300@michaelshiloh.com>
References: <626EFC7B-EAD1-4E59-BB93-BDC6870C0030@openbuddha.com>
	<4E262F54.9000901@gmail.com>
	<CACAQXeLoOTmKAm6z8G+KMZWegQCMG3NJYme1NeoBa9uhwq-aiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E263284.6010008@michaelshiloh.com>
	<8CFF299D-55FC-4F3C-9762-7709740E7C87@openbuddha.com>
	<4E263D8C.4020300@michaelshiloh.com>
Message-ID: <330EF08D-D611-4BB3-AE42-5511449ADDE7@openbuddha.com>

I didn't read it as challenging at all. I'm mostly just surprised as everyone I personally know with an Android device has rooted it unless it was just impossible (this is at home or even at Mozilla).

To do the wifi tethering, AFAIK, you need to be rooted or at least the wifi tethering app I have tells me it needs root privs when I start it. :-)

On Jul 19, 2011, at 7:29 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote:

> me
> 
> mostly because i haven't gotten around to it
> 
> but also i'm trying to understand what exactly can and can not be done
> and at what stage does one need rooting.
> 
> so i'm trying to learn and understand, not to challenge your decisions
> 
> On 07/19/2011 07:24 PM, Al Jigen BIllings wrote:
>> Is there anyone reading this that doesn't root their phone?
>> 
>> On Jul 19, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote:
>> 
>>> good points, all.
>>> 
>>> BUT: does wifi tethering not require a rooted phone?
>> 



From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 19 19:39:02 2011
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 19:39:02 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Suggested Android Apps
In-Reply-To: <330EF08D-D611-4BB3-AE42-5511449ADDE7@openbuddha.com>
References: <626EFC7B-EAD1-4E59-BB93-BDC6870C0030@openbuddha.com>
	<4E262F54.9000901@gmail.com>
	<CACAQXeLoOTmKAm6z8G+KMZWegQCMG3NJYme1NeoBa9uhwq-aiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E263284.6010008@michaelshiloh.com>
	<8CFF299D-55FC-4F3C-9762-7709740E7C87@openbuddha.com>
	<4E263D8C.4020300@michaelshiloh.com>
	<330EF08D-D611-4BB3-AE42-5511449ADDE7@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <4E263FC6.4070802@michaelshiloh.com>



On 07/19/2011 07:35 PM, Al Jigen BIllings wrote:
> I didn't read it as challenging at all. I'm mostly just surprised as everyone I personally know with an Android device has rooted it unless it was just impossible (this is at home or even at Mozilla).
>

one of these days...



> To do the wifi tethering, AFAIK, you need to be rooted or at least the wifi tethering app I have tells me it needs root privs when I start it. :-)

so i'm guessing that tethering (i.e. using the phone as a modem) does 
not require rooting

but that changing the wifi system to act as an access point does require 
rooting.

sound right?


From romanian at gmail.com  Tue Jul 19 19:57:32 2011
From: romanian at gmail.com (Stefan Hristu)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 21:57:32 -0500
Subject: [AMTD] Suggested Android Apps
In-Reply-To: <330EF08D-D611-4BB3-AE42-5511449ADDE7@openbuddha.com>
References: <626EFC7B-EAD1-4E59-BB93-BDC6870C0030@openbuddha.com>
	<4E262F54.9000901@gmail.com>
	<CACAQXeLoOTmKAm6z8G+KMZWegQCMG3NJYme1NeoBa9uhwq-aiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E263284.6010008@michaelshiloh.com>
	<8CFF299D-55FC-4F3C-9762-7709740E7C87@openbuddha.com>
	<4E263D8C.4020300@michaelshiloh.com>
	<330EF08D-D611-4BB3-AE42-5511449ADDE7@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <CAPdpSwzR2QV+Ri+UxihHHQBmdam04maZJgU7Q9cNxFde3J5p6A@mail.gmail.com>

i dont know what you're talking about... my nexus one is free to do
whatever it's heart desires and wifi tethering is definitely one of
them. i do it all the time.

as far as hacking, for such a mobile target to be hacked, you need to
be very fast at it. i doubt it would be in the very short timespan
that someone might even catch a glimpse of that wifi.

Stefan

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Al Jigen BIllings
<albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> I didn't read it as challenging at all. I'm mostly just surprised as everyone I personally know with an Android device has rooted it unless it was just impossible (this is at home or even at Mozilla).
>
> To do the wifi tethering, AFAIK, you need to be rooted or at least the wifi tethering app I have tells me it needs root privs when I start it. :-)
>
> On Jul 19, 2011, at 7:29 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote:
>
>> me
>>
>> mostly because i haven't gotten around to it
>>
>> but also i'm trying to understand what exactly can and can not be done
>> and at what stage does one need rooting.
>>
>> so i'm trying to learn and understand, not to challenge your decisions
>>
>> On 07/19/2011 07:24 PM, Al Jigen BIllings wrote:
>>> Is there anyone reading this that doesn't root their phone?
>>>
>>> On Jul 19, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote:
>>>
>>>> good points, all.
>>>>
>>>> BUT: does wifi tethering not require a rooted phone?
>>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
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From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 19 20:05:34 2011
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 20:05:34 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Suggested Android Apps
In-Reply-To: <CAPdpSwzR2QV+Ri+UxihHHQBmdam04maZJgU7Q9cNxFde3J5p6A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <626EFC7B-EAD1-4E59-BB93-BDC6870C0030@openbuddha.com>
	<4E262F54.9000901@gmail.com>
	<CACAQXeLoOTmKAm6z8G+KMZWegQCMG3NJYme1NeoBa9uhwq-aiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E263284.6010008@michaelshiloh.com>
	<8CFF299D-55FC-4F3C-9762-7709740E7C87@openbuddha.com>
	<4E263D8C.4020300@michaelshiloh.com>
	<330EF08D-D611-4BB3-AE42-5511449ADDE7@openbuddha.com>
	<CAPdpSwzR2QV+Ri+UxihHHQBmdam04maZJgU7Q9cNxFde3J5p6A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E2645FE.7040402@michaelshiloh.com>



On 07/19/2011 07:57 PM, Stefan Hristu wrote:
> i dont know what you're talking about... my nexus one is free to do
> whatever it's heart desires and wifi tethering is definitely one of
> them. i do it all the time.


interesting. who is your carrier?

my samsung will not allow me to share my internet connection without 
kicking something back to AT&T. i haven't tried this yet, i just took 
their word for it.


From albill at openbuddha.com  Tue Jul 19 20:06:08 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen BIllings)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 20:06:08 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Suggested Android Apps
In-Reply-To: <CAPdpSwzR2QV+Ri+UxihHHQBmdam04maZJgU7Q9cNxFde3J5p6A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <626EFC7B-EAD1-4E59-BB93-BDC6870C0030@openbuddha.com>
	<4E262F54.9000901@gmail.com>
	<CACAQXeLoOTmKAm6z8G+KMZWegQCMG3NJYme1NeoBa9uhwq-aiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E263284.6010008@michaelshiloh.com>
	<8CFF299D-55FC-4F3C-9762-7709740E7C87@openbuddha.com>
	<4E263D8C.4020300@michaelshiloh.com>
	<330EF08D-D611-4BB3-AE42-5511449ADDE7@openbuddha.com>
	<CAPdpSwzR2QV+Ri+UxihHHQBmdam04maZJgU7Q9cNxFde3J5p6A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3C71CB66-720E-48C6-8F22-45635BA86982@openbuddha.com>

You have an unlocked phone, Stefan.

As to the rest of your comment, you've never been to Blackhat or Defcon, have you?

Al

On Jul 19, 2011, at 7:57 PM, Stefan Hristu wrote:

> i dont know what you're talking about... my nexus one is free to do
> whatever it's heart desires and wifi tethering is definitely one of
> them. i do it all the time.
> 
> as far as hacking, for such a mobile target to be hacked, you need to
> be very fast at it. i doubt it would be in the very short timespan
> that someone might even catch a glimpse of that wifi.
> 
> Stefan
> 
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Al Jigen BIllings
> <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
>> I didn't read it as challenging at all. I'm mostly just surprised as everyone I personally know with an Android device has rooted it unless it was just impossible (this is at home or even at Mozilla).
>> 
>> To do the wifi tethering, AFAIK, you need to be rooted or at least the wifi tethering app I have tells me it needs root privs when I start it. :-)
>> 
>> On Jul 19, 2011, at 7:29 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote:
>> 
>>> me
>>> 
>>> mostly because i haven't gotten around to it
>>> 
>>> but also i'm trying to understand what exactly can and can not be done
>>> and at what stage does one need rooting.
>>> 
>>> so i'm trying to learn and understand, not to challenge your decisions
>>> 
>>> On 07/19/2011 07:24 PM, Al Jigen BIllings wrote:
>>>> Is there anyone reading this that doesn't root their phone?
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 19, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> good points, all.
>>>>> 
>>>>> BUT: does wifi tethering not require a rooted phone?
>>>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> 



From albill at openbuddha.com  Tue Jul 19 20:06:32 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen BIllings)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 20:06:32 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Suggested Android Apps
In-Reply-To: <4E2645FE.7040402@michaelshiloh.com>
References: <626EFC7B-EAD1-4E59-BB93-BDC6870C0030@openbuddha.com>
	<4E262F54.9000901@gmail.com>
	<CACAQXeLoOTmKAm6z8G+KMZWegQCMG3NJYme1NeoBa9uhwq-aiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E263284.6010008@michaelshiloh.com>
	<8CFF299D-55FC-4F3C-9762-7709740E7C87@openbuddha.com>
	<4E263D8C.4020300@michaelshiloh.com>
	<330EF08D-D611-4BB3-AE42-5511449ADDE7@openbuddha.com>
	<CAPdpSwzR2QV+Ri+UxihHHQBmdam04maZJgU7Q9cNxFde3J5p6A@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E2645FE.7040402@michaelshiloh.com>
Message-ID: <E9A6DF05-EF79-41C4-B6D5-CC60F8FCD63B@openbuddha.com>

He has a Nexus One, which means he bought it directly from Google.

On Jul 19, 2011, at 8:05 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote:

> 
> On 07/19/2011 07:57 PM, Stefan Hristu wrote:
>> i dont know what you're talking about... my nexus one is free to do
>> whatever it's heart desires and wifi tethering is definitely one of
>> them. i do it all the time.
> 
> 
> interesting. who is your carrier?
> 
> my samsung will not allow me to share my internet connection without kicking something back to AT&T. i haven't tried this yet, i just took their word for it.

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From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 19 20:07:38 2011
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 20:07:38 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Suggested Android Apps
In-Reply-To: <E9A6DF05-EF79-41C4-B6D5-CC60F8FCD63B@openbuddha.com>
References: <626EFC7B-EAD1-4E59-BB93-BDC6870C0030@openbuddha.com>
	<4E262F54.9000901@gmail.com>
	<CACAQXeLoOTmKAm6z8G+KMZWegQCMG3NJYme1NeoBa9uhwq-aiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E263284.6010008@michaelshiloh.com>
	<8CFF299D-55FC-4F3C-9762-7709740E7C87@openbuddha.com>
	<4E263D8C.4020300@michaelshiloh.com>
	<330EF08D-D611-4BB3-AE42-5511449ADDE7@openbuddha.com>
	<CAPdpSwzR2QV+Ri+UxihHHQBmdam04maZJgU7Q9cNxFde3J5p6A@mail.gmail.com>
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aha!

On 07/19/2011 08:06 PM, Al Jigen BIllings wrote:
> He has a Nexus One, which means he bought it directly from Google.
>
> On Jul 19, 2011, at 8:05 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote:
>
>>
>> On 07/19/2011 07:57 PM, Stefan Hristu wrote:
>>> i dont know what you're talking about... my nexus one is free to do
>>> whatever it's heart desires and wifi tethering is definitely one of
>>> them. i do it all the time.
>>
>>
>> interesting. who is your carrier?
>>
>> my samsung will not allow me to share my internet connection without
>> kicking something back to AT&T. i haven't tried this yet, i just took
>> their word for it.
>


From rachel at xtreme.com  Tue Jul 19 22:08:40 2011
From: rachel at xtreme.com (Rachel McConnell)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 22:08:40 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Fwd: looking for space to film in
Message-ID: <4E2662D8.4070905@xtreme.com>

What would you guys think of Meredith doing this filming at Ace?  No 
idea how much the stipend is, or whether they'd be OK with large ACE 
MONSTER TOYS signs in the background :)

Rachel

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	looking for space to film in
Date: 	Mon, 18 Jul 2011 11:41:27 -0700
From: 	meredith scheff <satiredun at gmail.com>
To: 	Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com>



Heya-
I need a private shop to do some filming for some RadioShack videos I'm
doing. It needs to be at least moderate size (theres a camera crew of
about 5 or 6), and there needs to be lots of neat looking things in the
background. The dates are the 27th and 28th of this month, and we'd need
the shop to be at least mostly private- mostly a noise thing ,but also a
people-being-in-the-shot thing. There is a stipend to rent the site.
Ideally there's good lighting.
Let me know if you know of a space I could use!
Meredith


-- 

Ladycartoonist.com <http://Ladycartoonist.com>

___________

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give
orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem,
pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently,
die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.

-Robert A. Heinlein




-- 

Ladycartoonist.com <http://Ladycartoonist.com>

___________

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give
orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem,
pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently,
die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.

-Robert A. Heinlein




From romanian at gmail.com  Tue Jul 19 22:17:51 2011
From: romanian at gmail.com (Stefan Hristu)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 00:17:51 -0500
Subject: [AMTD] Fwd: looking for space to film in
In-Reply-To: <4E2662D8.4070905@xtreme.com>
References: <4E2662D8.4070905@xtreme.com>
Message-ID: <CAPdpSwwRdkFshd1QC_=KGzUXsTDkDCmSriqZQsq0s9yXyzw9Yg@mail.gmail.com>

pimp it out!

stipend sounds good too :)


Stefan

On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 12:08 AM, Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com> wrote:
> What would you guys think of Meredith doing this filming at Ace? ?No idea
> how much the stipend is, or whether they'd be OK with large ACE MONSTER TOYS
> signs in the background :)
>
> Rachel
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: ? ? ? ?looking for space to film in
> Date: ? Mon, 18 Jul 2011 11:41:27 -0700
> From: ? meredith scheff <satiredun at gmail.com>
> To: ? ? Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com>
>
>
>
> Heya-
> I need a private shop to do some filming for some RadioShack videos I'm
> doing. It needs to be at least moderate size (theres a camera crew of
> about 5 or 6), and there needs to be lots of neat looking things in the
> background. The dates are the 27th and 28th of this month, and we'd need
> the shop to be at least mostly private- mostly a noise thing ,but also a
> people-being-in-the-shot thing. There is a stipend to rent the site.
> Ideally there's good lighting.
> Let me know if you know of a space I could use!
> Meredith
>
>
> --
>
> Ladycartoonist.com <http://Ladycartoonist.com>
>
> ___________
>
> A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
> butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
> accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give
> orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem,
> pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently,
> die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
>
> -Robert A. Heinlein
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Ladycartoonist.com <http://Ladycartoonist.com>
>
> ___________
>
> A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
> butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
> accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give
> orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem,
> pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently,
> die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
>
> -Robert A. Heinlein
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>


From drorex at gmail.com  Wed Jul 20 08:59:20 2011
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 08:59:20 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Fwd: looking for space to film in
In-Reply-To: <CAPdpSwwRdkFshd1QC_=KGzUXsTDkDCmSriqZQsq0s9yXyzw9Yg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E2662D8.4070905@xtreme.com>
	<CAPdpSwwRdkFshd1QC_=KGzUXsTDkDCmSriqZQsq0s9yXyzw9Yg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACAQXeJGL7D6Bx5GcjavPvZ5+7xs87kSPHZUy+5gu2GMvBeq5Q@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds good to me as well. Only thing is what time of the day are we talking
about? wens and thurs nights we have meetings with a bunch of people. During
the day probably be ok though, one or two people perhaps. If you came in the
morning probably would be empty.

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Stefan Hristu <romanian at gmail.com> wrote:

> pimp it out!
>
> stipend sounds good too :)
>
>
> Stefan
>
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 12:08 AM, Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com>
> wrote:
> > What would you guys think of Meredith doing this filming at Ace?  No idea
> > how much the stipend is, or whether they'd be OK with large ACE MONSTER
> TOYS
> > signs in the background :)
> >
> > Rachel
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject:        looking for space to film in
> > Date:   Mon, 18 Jul 2011 11:41:27 -0700
> > From:   meredith scheff <satiredun at gmail.com>
> > To:     Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com>
> >
> >
> >
> > Heya-
> > I need a private shop to do some filming for some RadioShack videos I'm
> > doing. It needs to be at least moderate size (theres a camera crew of
> > about 5 or 6), and there needs to be lots of neat looking things in the
> > background. The dates are the 27th and 28th of this month, and we'd need
> > the shop to be at least mostly private- mostly a noise thing ,but also a
> > people-being-in-the-shot thing. There is a stipend to rent the site.
> > Ideally there's good lighting.
> > Let me know if you know of a space I could use!
> > Meredith
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Ladycartoonist.com <http://Ladycartoonist.com>
> >
> > ___________
> >
> > A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
> > butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
> > accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give
> > orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem,
> > pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently,
> > die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
> >
> > -Robert A. Heinlein
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Ladycartoonist.com <http://Ladycartoonist.com>
> >
> > ___________
> >
> > A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
> > butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
> > accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give
> > orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem,
> > pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently,
> > die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
> >
> > -Robert A. Heinlein
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Discuss mailing list
> > Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Wed Jul 20 09:12:53 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 09:12:53 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] AMT, office space
In-Reply-To: <3ABCE38D-731C-413F-A2A6-7DFA80044E21@gmail.com>
References: <3ABCE38D-731C-413F-A2A6-7DFA80044E21@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2349EFE7-7538-4386-9971-59598F6D9564@openbuddha.com>

I'm adding our email list to see if anyone might be around during the day. Mike, a member, often works in the space during the day.

On Jul 20, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Robert Cook <robertcook at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Al - 
> 
> A friend and I have been looking around Oakland for light industrial space.  On Monday we saw a couple of spaces in your building on Lowell.  Shawn told us about your hackerspace, and we dropped by but nobody was in your space at the moment.
> 
> Were we to take a space in your building, I think both of us would like to join your group.  I was hoping to talk with one of your first (to ask more details about your hackerspace and about the building in general.)  I know you have a weekly meeting tomorrow night, but I unfortunately can't make it.  
> 
> Would you or anybody else in your group be around during the day Thursday or Friday?    I could drop by whenever is convenient.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Robert Cook


From drorex at gmail.com  Wed Jul 20 09:28:55 2011
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 09:28:55 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] AMT, office space
In-Reply-To: <2349EFE7-7538-4386-9971-59598F6D9564@openbuddha.com>
References: <3ABCE38D-731C-413F-A2A6-7DFA80044E21@gmail.com>
	<2349EFE7-7538-4386-9971-59598F6D9564@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <CACAQXe+Csy3TiRRNNM_a4VJ3eUfJnBfEgaGge0fdAX8MBkeaAg@mail.gmail.com>

I'll be there tonight from about 6:30pm (maybe a little earlier if that's
too late) for the biweekly AVR/Arduino workshop

On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com>wrote:

> I'm adding our email list to see if anyone might be around during the day.
> Mike, a member, often works in the space during the day.
>
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Robert Cook <robertcook at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Al -
> >
> > A friend and I have been looking around Oakland for light industrial
> space.  On Monday we saw a couple of spaces in your building on Lowell.
>  Shawn told us about your hackerspace, and we dropped by but nobody was in
> your space at the moment.
> >
> > Were we to take a space in your building, I think both of us would like
> to join your group.  I was hoping to talk with one of your first (to ask
> more details about your hackerspace and about the building in general.)  I
> know you have a weekly meeting tomorrow night, but I unfortunately can't
> make it.
> >
> > Would you or anybody else in your group be around during the day Thursday
> or Friday?    I could drop by whenever is convenient.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Robert Cook
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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From slick at rebelbase.com  Wed Jul 20 19:22:00 2011
From: slick at rebelbase.com (slick)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 19:22:00 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Donation: Computer Stand and Monitors
Message-ID: <CAMmuSot7AbJ3ODBCUri1frg22zvdyHGyV7TZzKFZbG=ROD6CoQ@mail.gmail.com>

So I brought this to the space, I was thinking that it could be used
for the laser cutter.  The monitors are pretty high resolution.
If there is a better use for it that's fine too.

see image here:
http://rukewl.com/stand.jpg

-Aaron


From albill at openbuddha.com  Thu Jul 21 10:59:54 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen BIllings)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 10:59:54 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] BFD: Big F'ing Disk
Message-ID: <8523C5FF-9F8D-49B2-A913-FA5E189E933D@openbuddha.com>

I think we need a big RAID array or storage facility at the space. This would allow people to store files locally and perhaps share them with each other.

Does anyone else think this is a good idea?

Obviously, the best way to do this would be to use commodity hard drivers and link them up in some sort of array. I don't know what the cheapest, reliable solution would be but I bet one of you does!

Any thoughts?

Al



From slick at rebelbase.com  Thu Jul 21 11:11:19 2011
From: slick at rebelbase.com (slick)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:11:19 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] BFD: Big F'ing Disk
In-Reply-To: <8523C5FF-9F8D-49B2-A913-FA5E189E933D@openbuddha.com>
References: <8523C5FF-9F8D-49B2-A913-FA5E189E933D@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <CAMmuSosYMEHxjg5RnUt1TvpQEbm0pOCz2js9SaVPrttJzT9zOQ@mail.gmail.com>

I suggest an appliance like a Netgear ReadyNAS.  It doesn't have to be
that specifically, but something with very little administrative
overhead i.e. an appliance.

http://www.readynas.com/?cat=97

-Aaron

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Al Jigen BIllings
<albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> I think we need a big RAID array or storage facility at the space. This would allow people to store files locally and perhaps share them with each other.
>
> Does anyone else think this is a good idea?
>
> Obviously, the best way to do this would be to use commodity hard drivers and link them up in some sort of array. I don't know what the cheapest, reliable solution would be but I bet one of you does!
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Al
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>


From albill at openbuddha.com  Thu Jul 21 11:15:21 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:15:21 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] BFD: Big F'ing Disk
In-Reply-To: <CAMmuSosYMEHxjg5RnUt1TvpQEbm0pOCz2js9SaVPrttJzT9zOQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8523C5FF-9F8D-49B2-A913-FA5E189E933D@openbuddha.com>
	<CAMmuSosYMEHxjg5RnUt1TvpQEbm0pOCz2js9SaVPrttJzT9zOQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9B55F3F8-F2B6-4E47-B059-135706F87945@openbuddha.com>


On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:11 AM, slick wrote:

> I suggest an appliance like a Netgear ReadyNAS.  It doesn't have to be
> that specifically, but something with very little administrative
> overhead i.e. an appliance.
> 
> http://www.readynas.com/?cat=97

Yeah. I have a Drobo at home.

 I was thinking "cheaper" though. :-)

Al



From me at robbiet.us  Thu Jul 21 11:19:20 2011
From: me at robbiet.us (Robbie Trencheny)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:19:20 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] BFD: Big F'ing Disk
In-Reply-To: <9B55F3F8-F2B6-4E47-B059-135706F87945@openbuddha.com>
References: <8523C5FF-9F8D-49B2-A913-FA5E189E933D@openbuddha.com>
	<CAMmuSosYMEHxjg5RnUt1TvpQEbm0pOCz2js9SaVPrttJzT9zOQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<9B55F3F8-F2B6-4E47-B059-135706F87945@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <CAPs-5xXCYRudnr4nYJmycqiEutyep7dchJD5b8d0_cqO-ETbiQ@mail.gmail.com>

We should just build a FreeNAS or Amahi machine. Both OS's don't need much
in terms of spec, a Celeron proc would work. I have used both before, they
work great. If we get a good mobo (I actually have a good one if someone can
get me a C2D and RAM) we can have a ton of firewire and USB and eSATA ports
so that people can just plug in drives.
Robbie Trencheny
PHP/MySQL, HTML, CSS Developer
925.884.3728
www.robbiet.us

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On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Al Jigen Billings
<albill at openbuddha.com>wrote:

>
> On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:11 AM, slick wrote:
>
> > I suggest an appliance like a Netgear ReadyNAS.  It doesn't have to be
> > that specifically, but something with very little administrative
> > overhead i.e. an appliance.
> >
> > http://www.readynas.com/?cat=97
>
> Yeah. I have a Drobo at home.
>
>  I was thinking "cheaper" though. :-)
>
> Al
>
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From hephaestus at antipunk.net  Thu Jul 21 11:36:34 2011
From: hephaestus at antipunk.net (Hephaestus)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:36:34 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] BFD: Big F'ing Disk
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I'm all for freenas, it supports CIFS shares for windows and several
other formats that can be mounted on all of our common platforms.

I'd rather we didn't drop the cash on a drobo or other commodity nas
system since there's a huge price premium for a level of 'easy' that
we simply won't need with our average skill level.

If anyone has a motherboard, good power supply (450 watts?), and raid
card they'd like to donate to the cause, I'm all for making this
happen. (I'm already working on a case for a storage server that we
can cut on the laser =)

--
Heph

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Robbie Trencheny <me at robbiet.us> wrote:
> We should just build a FreeNAS or Amahi machine. Both OS's don't need much
> in terms of spec, a Celeron proc would work. I have used both before, they
> work great. If we get a good mobo (I actually have a good one if someone can
> get me a C2D and RAM) we can have a ton of firewire and USB and eSATA ports
> so that people can just plug in drives.
> Robbie Trencheny
> PHP/MySQL, HTML, CSS Developer
> 925.884.3728
> www.robbiet.us
>
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> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:11 AM, slick wrote:
>>
>> > I suggest an appliance like a Netgear ReadyNAS. ?It doesn't have to be
>> > that specifically, but something with very little administrative
>> > overhead i.e. an appliance.
>> >
>> > http://www.readynas.com/?cat=97
>>
>> Yeah. I have a Drobo at home.
>>
>> ?I was thinking "cheaper" though. :-)
>>
>> Al
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
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From me at robbiet.us  Thu Jul 21 11:39:50 2011
From: me at robbiet.us (Robbie Trencheny)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:39:50 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] BFD: Big F'ing Disk
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I have a Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3L motherboard. It has a fuckton of USB, and I
can dig out a SATA<->eSATA cable somewhere. It also has hardware raid on
board iirc. Just need a power supply, a Core 2 Duo/Quad and RAM. The board
even has dual gigabit onboard and 6 SATA ports.

Robbie Trencheny
PHP/MySQL, HTML, CSS Developer
925.884.3728
www.robbiet.us

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On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Hephaestus <hephaestus at antipunk.net>wrote:

> I'm all for freenas, it supports CIFS shares for windows and several
> other formats that can be mounted on all of our common platforms.
>
> I'd rather we didn't drop the cash on a drobo or other commodity nas
> system since there's a huge price premium for a level of 'easy' that
> we simply won't need with our average skill level.
>
> If anyone has a motherboard, good power supply (450 watts?), and raid
> card they'd like to donate to the cause, I'm all for making this
> happen. (I'm already working on a case for a storage server that we
> can cut on the laser =)
>
> --
> Heph
>
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Robbie Trencheny <me at robbiet.us> wrote:
> > We should just build a FreeNAS or Amahi machine. Both OS's don't need
> much
> > in terms of spec, a Celeron proc would work. I have used both before,
> they
> > work great. If we get a good mobo (I actually have a good one if someone
> can
> > get me a C2D and RAM) we can have a ton of firewire and USB and eSATA
> ports
> > so that people can just plug in drives.
> > Robbie Trencheny
> > PHP/MySQL, HTML, CSS Developer
> > 925.884.3728
> > www.robbiet.us
> >
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> > On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Al Jigen Billings <
> albill at openbuddha.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:11 AM, slick wrote:
> >>
> >> > I suggest an appliance like a Netgear ReadyNAS.  It doesn't have to be
> >> > that specifically, but something with very little administrative
> >> > overhead i.e. an appliance.
> >> >
> >> > http://www.readynas.com/?cat=97
> >>
> >> Yeah. I have a Drobo at home.
> >>
> >>  I was thinking "cheaper" though. :-)
> >>
> >> Al
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Discuss mailing list
> >> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> >> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> >
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From drorex at gmail.com  Thu Jul 21 11:56:20 2011
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:56:20 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] BFD: Big F'ing Disk
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There were a couple bigish SATA disks (1TB+) sitting around in a box next to
the SAN array at some point. Weren't even plugged in...I say we appropriate
those.

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Robbie Trencheny <me at robbiet.us> wrote:

> I have a Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3L motherboard. It has a fuckton of USB, and I
> can dig out a SATA<->eSATA cable somewhere. It also has hardware raid on
> board iirc. Just need a power supply, a Core 2 Duo/Quad and RAM. The board
> even has dual gigabit onboard and 6 SATA ports.
>
> Robbie Trencheny
> PHP/MySQL, HTML, CSS Developer
> 925.884.3728
> www.robbiet.us
>
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> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Hephaestus <hephaestus at antipunk.net>wrote:
>
>> I'm all for freenas, it supports CIFS shares for windows and several
>> other formats that can be mounted on all of our common platforms.
>>
>> I'd rather we didn't drop the cash on a drobo or other commodity nas
>> system since there's a huge price premium for a level of 'easy' that
>> we simply won't need with our average skill level.
>>
>> If anyone has a motherboard, good power supply (450 watts?), and raid
>> card they'd like to donate to the cause, I'm all for making this
>> happen. (I'm already working on a case for a storage server that we
>> can cut on the laser =)
>>
>> --
>> Heph
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Robbie Trencheny <me at robbiet.us> wrote:
>> > We should just build a FreeNAS or Amahi machine. Both OS's don't need
>> much
>> > in terms of spec, a Celeron proc would work. I have used both before,
>> they
>> > work great. If we get a good mobo (I actually have a good one if someone
>> can
>> > get me a C2D and RAM) we can have a ton of firewire and USB and eSATA
>> ports
>> > so that people can just plug in drives.
>> > Robbie Trencheny
>> > PHP/MySQL, HTML, CSS Developer
>> > 925.884.3728
>> > www.robbiet.us
>> >
>> > ****** IMPORTANT NOTICE ******
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>> >
>> > On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Al Jigen Billings <
>> albill at openbuddha.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:11 AM, slick wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I suggest an appliance like a Netgear ReadyNAS.  It doesn't have to
>> be
>> >> > that specifically, but something with very little administrative
>> >> > overhead i.e. an appliance.
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.readynas.com/?cat=97
>> >>
>> >> Yeah. I have a Drobo at home.
>> >>
>> >>  I was thinking "cheaper" though. :-)
>> >>
>> >> Al
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Discuss mailing list
>> >> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> >> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> >
>> >
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>> > Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> >
>> >
>>
>
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From hephaestus at antipunk.net  Thu Jul 21 11:57:05 2011
From: hephaestus at antipunk.net (Hephaestus)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:57:05 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] BFD: Big F'ing Disk
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Cool, that'd do it. 2tb disks are less than $100/ea at this point so
that gives us around ten tebibytes of storage for 6 of them in a raid
5 configuration for around $550-600. It'll be slow, but it's a lot of
storage and kind of reliable. I'd rather do raid 10 though for speed
and reliability, but that'd be 6 tebibytes.

--
Heph

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Robbie Trencheny <me at robbiet.us> wrote:
> I have a Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3L motherboard. It has a fuckton of USB, and I
> can dig out a SATA<->eSATA cable somewhere. It also has hardware raid on
> board iirc. Just need a power supply, a Core 2 Duo/Quad and RAM. The board
> even has dual gigabit onboard and 6 SATA ports.
> Robbie Trencheny
> PHP/MySQL, HTML, CSS Developer
> 925.884.3728
> www.robbiet.us
>
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> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Hephaestus <hephaestus at antipunk.net>
> wrote:
>>
>> I'm all for freenas, it supports CIFS shares for windows and several
>> other formats that can be mounted on all of our common platforms.
>>
>> I'd rather we didn't drop the cash on a drobo or other commodity nas
>> system since there's a huge price premium for a level of 'easy' that
>> we simply won't need with our average skill level.
>>
>> If anyone has a motherboard, good power supply (450 watts?), and raid
>> card they'd like to donate to the cause, I'm all for making this
>> happen. (I'm already working on a case for a storage server that we
>> can cut on the laser =)
>>
>> --
>> Heph
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Robbie Trencheny <me at robbiet.us> wrote:
>> > We should just build a FreeNAS or Amahi machine. Both OS's don't need
>> > much
>> > in terms of spec, a Celeron proc would work. I have used both before,
>> > they
>> > work great. If we get a good mobo (I actually have a good one if someone
>> > can
>> > get me a C2D and RAM) we can have a ton of firewire and USB and eSATA
>> > ports
>> > so that people can just plug in drives.
>> > Robbie Trencheny
>> > PHP/MySQL, HTML, CSS Developer
>> > 925.884.3728
>> > www.robbiet.us
>> >
>> > ****** IMPORTANT NOTICE ******
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>> > prohibited.
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>> > printout thereof.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Al Jigen Billings
>> > <albill at openbuddha.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:11 AM, slick wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I suggest an appliance like a Netgear ReadyNAS. ?It doesn't have to
>> >> > be
>> >> > that specifically, but something with very little administrative
>> >> > overhead i.e. an appliance.
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.readynas.com/?cat=97
>> >>
>> >> Yeah. I have a Drobo at home.
>> >>
>> >> ?I was thinking "cheaper" though. :-)
>> >>
>> >> Al
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Discuss mailing list
>> >> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> >> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Discuss mailing list
>> > Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> >
>> >
>
>


From hephaestus at antipunk.net  Thu Jul 21 11:57:31 2011
From: hephaestus at antipunk.net (Hephaestus)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:57:31 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] BFD: Big F'ing Disk
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Oh yeah, why don't we just use the san?

--
Heph

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:56 AM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
> There were a couple bigish SATA disks (1TB+) sitting around in a box next to
> the SAN array at some point. Weren't even plugged in...I say we appropriate
> those.
>
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Robbie Trencheny <me at robbiet.us> wrote:
>>
>> I have a Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3L motherboard. It has a fuckton of USB, and I
>> can dig out a SATA<->eSATA cable somewhere. It also has hardware raid on
>> board iirc. Just need a power supply, a Core 2 Duo/Quad and RAM. The board
>> even has dual gigabit onboard and 6 SATA ports.
>> Robbie Trencheny
>> PHP/MySQL, HTML, CSS Developer
>> 925.884.3728
>> www.robbiet.us
>>
>> ****** IMPORTANT NOTICE ******
>> This e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is intended only for use by the
>> addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or
>> confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this
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>> reply and permanently delete the original and any copy of any e-mail and any
>> printout thereof.
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>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Hephaestus <hephaestus at antipunk.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm all for freenas, it supports CIFS shares for windows and several
>>> other formats that can be mounted on all of our common platforms.
>>>
>>> I'd rather we didn't drop the cash on a drobo or other commodity nas
>>> system since there's a huge price premium for a level of 'easy' that
>>> we simply won't need with our average skill level.
>>>
>>> If anyone has a motherboard, good power supply (450 watts?), and raid
>>> card they'd like to donate to the cause, I'm all for making this
>>> happen. (I'm already working on a case for a storage server that we
>>> can cut on the laser =)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Heph
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Robbie Trencheny <me at robbiet.us> wrote:
>>> > We should just build a FreeNAS or Amahi machine. Both OS's don't need
>>> > much
>>> > in terms of spec, a Celeron proc would work. I have used both before,
>>> > they
>>> > work great. If we get a good mobo (I actually have a good one if
>>> > someone can
>>> > get me a C2D and RAM) we can have a ton of firewire and USB and eSATA
>>> > ports
>>> > so that people can just plug in drives.
>>> > Robbie Trencheny
>>> > PHP/MySQL, HTML, CSS Developer
>>> > 925.884.3728
>>> > www.robbiet.us
>>> >
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>>> > On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Al Jigen Billings
>>> > <albill at openbuddha.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:11 AM, slick wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > I suggest an appliance like a Netgear ReadyNAS. ?It doesn't have to
>>> >> > be
>>> >> > that specifically, but something with very little administrative
>>> >> > overhead i.e. an appliance.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > http://www.readynas.com/?cat=97
>>> >>
>>> >> Yeah. I have a Drobo at home.
>>> >>
>>> >> ?I was thinking "cheaper" though. :-)
>>> >>
>>> >> Al
>>> >>
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> Discuss mailing list
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>>> >> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>> >
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Thu Jul 21 11:59:21 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:59:21 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] BFD: Big F'ing Disk
In-Reply-To: <CABZdcA=+NvuD0VFCu7J0fHD2SVAfrvpf+KQs_TX9i59b_gxYtw@mail.gmail.com>
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Got a spare $1,200 for the power it will cost in the next year? We're already using a laser. Let's not push it.

Besides, we're actively working to get rid of the SAN.

On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:57 AM, Hephaestus wrote:

> Oh yeah, why don't we just use the san?
> 
> --
> Heph
> 
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:56 AM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
>> There were a couple bigish SATA disks (1TB+) sitting around in a box next to
>> the SAN array at some point. Weren't even plugged in...I say we appropriate
>> those.
>> 
>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Robbie Trencheny <me at robbiet.us> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3L motherboard. It has a fuckton of USB, and I
>>> can dig out a SATA<->eSATA cable somewhere. It also has hardware raid on
>>> board iirc. Just need a power supply, a Core 2 Duo/Quad and RAM. The board
>>> even has dual gigabit onboard and 6 SATA ports.
>>> Robbie Trencheny
>>> PHP/MySQL, HTML, CSS Developer
>>> 925.884.3728
>>> www.robbiet.us
>>> 
>>> ****** IMPORTANT NOTICE ******
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Hephaestus <hephaestus at antipunk.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I'm all for freenas, it supports CIFS shares for windows and several
>>>> other formats that can be mounted on all of our common platforms.
>>>> 
>>>> I'd rather we didn't drop the cash on a drobo or other commodity nas
>>>> system since there's a huge price premium for a level of 'easy' that
>>>> we simply won't need with our average skill level.
>>>> 
>>>> If anyone has a motherboard, good power supply (450 watts?), and raid
>>>> card they'd like to donate to the cause, I'm all for making this
>>>> happen. (I'm already working on a case for a storage server that we
>>>> can cut on the laser =)
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Heph
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Robbie Trencheny <me at robbiet.us> wrote:
>>>>> We should just build a FreeNAS or Amahi machine. Both OS's don't need
>>>>> much
>>>>> in terms of spec, a Celeron proc would work. I have used both before,
>>>>> they
>>>>> work great. If we get a good mobo (I actually have a good one if
>>>>> someone can
>>>>> get me a C2D and RAM) we can have a ton of firewire and USB and eSATA
>>>>> ports
>>>>> so that people can just plug in drives.
>>>>> Robbie Trencheny
>>>>> PHP/MySQL, HTML, CSS Developer
>>>>> 925.884.3728
>>>>> www.robbiet.us
>>>>> 
>>>>> ****** IMPORTANT NOTICE ******
>>>>> This e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is intended only for use by
>>>>> the
>>>>> addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or
>>>>> confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this
>>>>> e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or
>>>>> copying of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly
>>>>> prohibited.
>>>>> If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us
>>>>> by
>>>>> reply and permanently delete the original and any copy of any e-mail
>>>>> and any
>>>>> printout thereof.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Al Jigen Billings
>>>>> <albill at openbuddha.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:11 AM, slick wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I suggest an appliance like a Netgear ReadyNAS.  It doesn't have to
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> that specifically, but something with very little administrative
>>>>>>> overhead i.e. an appliance.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://www.readynas.com/?cat=97
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yeah. I have a Drobo at home.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  I was thinking "cheaper" though. :-)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Al
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Discuss mailing list
>>>>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>>>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Discuss mailing list
>>>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From hephaestus at antipunk.net  Thu Jul 21 12:02:06 2011
From: hephaestus at antipunk.net (Hephaestus)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:02:06 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] BFD: Big F'ing Disk
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Then we should stick with the plan for a core2 based system with about
4 gigs of ram, running freenas, with a couple of 2tb disks (mdraid, no
hardware raid. NO HARDWARE RAID) to start and we can add more capacity
later.

--
Heph

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Al Jigen Billings
<albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> Got a spare $1,200 for the power it will cost in the next year? We're already using a laser. Let's not push it.
>
> Besides, we're actively working to get rid of the SAN.
>
> On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:57 AM, Hephaestus wrote:
>
>> Oh yeah, why don't we just use the san?
>>
>> --
>> Heph
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:56 AM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> There were a couple bigish SATA disks (1TB+) sitting around in a box next to
>>> the SAN array at some point. Weren't even plugged in...I say we appropriate
>>> those.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Robbie Trencheny <me at robbiet.us> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have a Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3L motherboard. It has a fuckton of USB, and I
>>>> can dig out a SATA<->eSATA cable somewhere. It also has hardware raid on
>>>> board iirc. Just need a power supply, a Core 2 Duo/Quad and RAM. The board
>>>> even has dual gigabit onboard and 6 SATA ports.
>>>> Robbie Trencheny
>>>> PHP/MySQL, HTML, CSS Developer
>>>> 925.884.3728
>>>> www.robbiet.us
>>>>
>>>> ****** IMPORTANT NOTICE ******
>>>> This e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is intended only for use by the
>>>> addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or
>>>> confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this
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>>>> If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by
>>>> reply and permanently delete the original and any copy of any e-mail and any
>>>> printout thereof.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Hephaestus <hephaestus at antipunk.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm all for freenas, it supports CIFS shares for windows and several
>>>>> other formats that can be mounted on all of our common platforms.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd rather we didn't drop the cash on a drobo or other commodity nas
>>>>> system since there's a huge price premium for a level of 'easy' that
>>>>> we simply won't need with our average skill level.
>>>>>
>>>>> If anyone has a motherboard, good power supply (450 watts?), and raid
>>>>> card they'd like to donate to the cause, I'm all for making this
>>>>> happen. (I'm already working on a case for a storage server that we
>>>>> can cut on the laser =)
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Heph
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Robbie Trencheny <me at robbiet.us> wrote:
>>>>>> We should just build a FreeNAS or Amahi machine. Both OS's don't need
>>>>>> much
>>>>>> in terms of spec, a Celeron proc would work. I have used both before,
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> work great. If we get a good mobo (I actually have a good one if
>>>>>> someone can
>>>>>> get me a C2D and RAM) we can have a ton of firewire and USB and eSATA
>>>>>> ports
>>>>>> so that people can just plug in drives.
>>>>>> Robbie Trencheny
>>>>>> PHP/MySQL, HTML, CSS Developer
>>>>>> 925.884.3728
>>>>>> www.robbiet.us
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ****** IMPORTANT NOTICE ******
>>>>>> This e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is intended only for use by
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or
>>>>>> confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this
>>>>>> e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or
>>>>>> copying of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly
>>>>>> prohibited.
>>>>>> If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> reply and permanently delete the original and any copy of any e-mail
>>>>>> and any
>>>>>> printout thereof.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Al Jigen Billings
>>>>>> <albill at openbuddha.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:11 AM, slick wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I suggest an appliance like a Netgear ReadyNAS. ?It doesn't have to
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> that specifically, but something with very little administrative
>>>>>>>> overhead i.e. an appliance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.readynas.com/?cat=97
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah. I have a Drobo at home.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ?I was thinking "cheaper" though. :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Al
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Discuss mailing list
>>>>>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>>>>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Discuss mailing list
>>>>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>>>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Discuss mailing list
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
>


From me at robbiet.us  Thu Jul 21 12:03:56 2011
From: me at robbiet.us (Robbie Trencheny)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:03:56 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] BFD: Big F'ing Disk
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So we can't use those 2TB disks. IIRC, thats where the data went to and
SuperQ was waiting to give them back to the anonymous donor.
Robbie Trencheny
PHP/MySQL, HTML, CSS Developer
925.884.3728
www.robbiet.us

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On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Hephaestus <hephaestus at antipunk.net>wrote:

> Then we should stick with the plan for a core2 based system with about
> 4 gigs of ram, running freenas, with a couple of 2tb disks (mdraid, no
> hardware raid. NO HARDWARE RAID) to start and we can add more capacity
> later.
>
> --
> Heph
>
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Al Jigen Billings
> <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> > Got a spare $1,200 for the power it will cost in the next year? We're
> already using a laser. Let's not push it.
> >
> > Besides, we're actively working to get rid of the SAN.
> >
> > On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:57 AM, Hephaestus wrote:
> >
> >> Oh yeah, why don't we just use the san?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Heph
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:56 AM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> There were a couple bigish SATA disks (1TB+) sitting around in a box
> next to
> >>> the SAN array at some point. Weren't even plugged in...I say we
> appropriate
> >>> those.
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Robbie Trencheny <me at robbiet.us>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I have a Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3L motherboard. It has a fuckton of USB,
> and I
> >>>> can dig out a SATA<->eSATA cable somewhere. It also has hardware raid
> on
> >>>> board iirc. Just need a power supply, a Core 2 Duo/Quad and RAM. The
> board
> >>>> even has dual gigabit onboard and 6 SATA ports.
> >>>> Robbie Trencheny
> >>>> PHP/MySQL, HTML, CSS Developer
> >>>> 925.884.3728
> >>>> www.robbiet.us
> >>>>
> >>>> ****** IMPORTANT NOTICE ******
> >>>> This e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is intended only for use by
> the
> >>>> addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or
> >>>> confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of
> this
> >>>> e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution
> or
> >>>> copying of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly
> prohibited.
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> us by
> >>>> reply and permanently delete the original and any copy of any e-mail
> and any
> >>>> printout thereof.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Hephaestus <hephaestus at antipunk.net
> >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm all for freenas, it supports CIFS shares for windows and several
> >>>>> other formats that can be mounted on all of our common platforms.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'd rather we didn't drop the cash on a drobo or other commodity nas
> >>>>> system since there's a huge price premium for a level of 'easy' that
> >>>>> we simply won't need with our average skill level.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If anyone has a motherboard, good power supply (450 watts?), and raid
> >>>>> card they'd like to donate to the cause, I'm all for making this
> >>>>> happen. (I'm already working on a case for a storage server that we
> >>>>> can cut on the laser =)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Heph
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Robbie Trencheny <me at robbiet.us>
> wrote:
> >>>>>> We should just build a FreeNAS or Amahi machine. Both OS's don't
> need
> >>>>>> much
> >>>>>> in terms of spec, a Celeron proc would work. I have used both
> before,
> >>>>>> they
> >>>>>> work great. If we get a good mobo (I actually have a good one if
> >>>>>> someone can
> >>>>>> get me a C2D and RAM) we can have a ton of firewire and USB and
> eSATA
> >>>>>> ports
> >>>>>> so that people can just plug in drives.
> >>>>>> Robbie Trencheny
> >>>>>> PHP/MySQL, HTML, CSS Developer
> >>>>>> 925.884.3728
> >>>>>> www.robbiet.us
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ****** IMPORTANT NOTICE ******
> >>>>>> This e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is intended only for use by
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or
> >>>>>> confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of
> this
> >>>>>> e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution
> or
> >>>>>> copying of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly
> >>>>>> prohibited.
> >>>>>> If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify
> us
> >>>>>> by
> >>>>>> reply and permanently delete the original and any copy of any e-mail
> >>>>>> and any
> >>>>>> printout thereof.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Al Jigen Billings
> >>>>>> <albill at openbuddha.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:11 AM, slick wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I suggest an appliance like a Netgear ReadyNAS.  It doesn't have
> to
> >>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>> that specifically, but something with very little administrative
> >>>>>>>> overhead i.e. an appliance.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> http://www.readynas.com/?cat=97
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yeah. I have a Drobo at home.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  I was thinking "cheaper" though. :-)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Al
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>> Discuss mailing list
> >>>>>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> >>>>>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>> Discuss mailing list
> >>>>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> >>>>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>>> Discuss mailing list
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> >>>
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From tewing at gmail.com  Thu Jul 21 12:05:04 2011
From: tewing at gmail.com (Terry Ewing)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:05:04 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] BFD: Big F'ing Disk
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What's the need for USB?  We certainly don't want a RAID system where some or all drives are on USB.  Is this for people dropping by with external storage they'll be plugging in temporarily?

I've built a couple workhorses with an external esata port and one or two of these SATA multipliers.  They've functioned well.  http://bit.ly/nI5FAv

On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:57 AM, Hephaestus wrote:

> Cool, that'd do it. 2tb disks are less than $100/ea at this point so
> that gives us around ten tebibytes of storage for 6 of them in a raid
> 5 configuration for around $550-600. It'll be slow, but it's a lot of
> storage and kind of reliable. I'd rather do raid 10 though for speed
> and reliability, but that'd be 6 tebibytes.
> 
> --
> Heph
> 
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Robbie Trencheny <me at robbiet.us> wrote:
>> I have a Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3L motherboard. It has a fuckton of USB, and I
>> can dig out a SATA<->eSATA cable somewhere. It also has hardware raid on
>> board iirc. Just need a power supply, a Core 2 Duo/Quad and RAM. The board
>> even has dual gigabit onboard and 6 SATA ports.
>> Robbie Trencheny
>> PHP/MySQL, HTML, CSS Developer
>> 925.884.3728
>> www.robbiet.us
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>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Hephaestus <hephaestus at antipunk.net>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm all for freenas, it supports CIFS shares for windows and several
>>> other formats that can be mounted on all of our common platforms.
>>> 
>>> I'd rather we didn't drop the cash on a drobo or other commodity nas
>>> system since there's a huge price premium for a level of 'easy' that
>>> we simply won't need with our average skill level.
>>> 
>>> If anyone has a motherboard, good power supply (450 watts?), and raid
>>> card they'd like to donate to the cause, I'm all for making this
>>> happen. (I'm already working on a case for a storage server that we
>>> can cut on the laser =)
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Heph
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Robbie Trencheny <me at robbiet.us> wrote:
>>>> We should just build a FreeNAS or Amahi machine. Both OS's don't need
>>>> much
>>>> in terms of spec, a Celeron proc would work. I have used both before,
>>>> they
>>>> work great. If we get a good mobo (I actually have a good one if someone
>>>> can
>>>> get me a C2D and RAM) we can have a ton of firewire and USB and eSATA
>>>> ports
>>>> so that people can just plug in drives.
>>>> Robbie Trencheny
>>>> PHP/MySQL, HTML, CSS Developer
>>>> 925.884.3728
>>>> www.robbiet.us
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Al Jigen Billings
>>>> <albill at openbuddha.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:11 AM, slick wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I suggest an appliance like a Netgear ReadyNAS.  It doesn't have to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> that specifically, but something with very little administrative
>>>>>> overhead i.e. an appliance.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://www.readynas.com/?cat=97
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yeah. I have a Drobo at home.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  I was thinking "cheaper" though. :-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Al
>>>>> 
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From tewing at gmail.com  Thu Jul 21 12:06:07 2011
From: tewing at gmail.com (Terry Ewing)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:06:07 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] BFD: Big F'ing Disk
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What's wrong with hardware raid?

On Jul 21, 2011, at 12:02 PM, Hephaestus wrote:

> Then we should stick with the plan for a core2 based system with about
> 4 gigs of ram, running freenas, with a couple of 2tb disks (mdraid, no
> hardware raid. NO HARDWARE RAID) to start and we can add more capacity
> later.
> 
> --
> Heph
> 
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Al Jigen Billings
> <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
>> Got a spare $1,200 for the power it will cost in the next year? We're already using a laser. Let's not push it.
>> 
>> Besides, we're actively working to get rid of the SAN.
>> 
>> On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:57 AM, Hephaestus wrote:
>> 
>>> Oh yeah, why don't we just use the san?
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Heph
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:56 AM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> There were a couple bigish SATA disks (1TB+) sitting around in a box next to
>>>> the SAN array at some point. Weren't even plugged in...I say we appropriate
>>>> those.
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Robbie Trencheny <me at robbiet.us> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have a Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3L motherboard. It has a fuckton of USB, and I
>>>>> can dig out a SATA<->eSATA cable somewhere. It also has hardware raid on
>>>>> board iirc. Just need a power supply, a Core 2 Duo/Quad and RAM. The board
>>>>> even has dual gigabit onboard and 6 SATA ports.
>>>>> Robbie Trencheny
>>>>> PHP/MySQL, HTML, CSS Developer
>>>>> 925.884.3728
>>>>> www.robbiet.us
>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Hephaestus <hephaestus at antipunk.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm all for freenas, it supports CIFS shares for windows and several
>>>>>> other formats that can be mounted on all of our common platforms.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'd rather we didn't drop the cash on a drobo or other commodity nas
>>>>>> system since there's a huge price premium for a level of 'easy' that
>>>>>> we simply won't need with our average skill level.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If anyone has a motherboard, good power supply (450 watts?), and raid
>>>>>> card they'd like to donate to the cause, I'm all for making this
>>>>>> happen. (I'm already working on a case for a storage server that we
>>>>>> can cut on the laser =)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Heph
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Robbie Trencheny <me at robbiet.us> wrote:
>>>>>>> We should just build a FreeNAS or Amahi machine. Both OS's don't need
>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>> in terms of spec, a Celeron proc would work. I have used both before,
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> work great. If we get a good mobo (I actually have a good one if
>>>>>>> someone can
>>>>>>> get me a C2D and RAM) we can have a ton of firewire and USB and eSATA
>>>>>>> ports
>>>>>>> so that people can just plug in drives.
>>>>>>> Robbie Trencheny
>>>>>>> PHP/MySQL, HTML, CSS Developer
>>>>>>> 925.884.3728
>>>>>>> www.robbiet.us
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> This e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is intended only for use by
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or
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>>>>>>> reply and permanently delete the original and any copy of any e-mail
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>>>>>>> printout thereof.
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>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Al Jigen Billings
>>>>>>> <albill at openbuddha.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:11 AM, slick wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I suggest an appliance like a Netgear ReadyNAS.  It doesn't have to
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> that specifically, but something with very little administrative
>>>>>>>>> overhead i.e. an appliance.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> http://www.readynas.com/?cat=97
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Yeah. I have a Drobo at home.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  I was thinking "cheaper" though. :-)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Al
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> Discuss mailing list
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>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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From drorex at gmail.com  Thu Jul 21 12:09:03 2011
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:09:03 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] BFD: Big F'ing Disk
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1. Unless it's a multi-hundred-dollar card, the "hardware raid" is really
just software raid, but with a crappier driver (aka "fakeraid").
2. CPU speed has advanced so much these days, that you don't really gain
much by having a specialized processor to handle the calculations. If the
system isn't maxing out the CPU doing other stuff, it's pretty much a wash
3. Often times raid cards store data with some proprietary format, so if the
card dies, you can't replace it with a different one, you might need an
identical raid card.

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:

> What's wrong with hardware raid?
>
> On Jul 21, 2011, at 12:02 PM, Hephaestus wrote:
>
> > Then we should stick with the plan for a core2 based system with about
> > 4 gigs of ram, running freenas, with a couple of 2tb disks (mdraid, no
> > hardware raid. NO HARDWARE RAID) to start and we can add more capacity
> > later.
> >
> > --
> > Heph
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Al Jigen Billings
> > <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> >> Got a spare $1,200 for the power it will cost in the next year? We're
> already using a laser. Let's not push it.
> >>
> >> Besides, we're actively working to get rid of the SAN.
> >>
> >> On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:57 AM, Hephaestus wrote:
> >>
> >>> Oh yeah, why don't we just use the san?
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Heph
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:56 AM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>> There were a couple bigish SATA disks (1TB+) sitting around in a box
> next to
> >>>> the SAN array at some point. Weren't even plugged in...I say we
> appropriate
> >>>> those.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Robbie Trencheny <me at robbiet.us>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have a Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3L motherboard. It has a fuckton of USB,
> and I
> >>>>> can dig out a SATA<->eSATA cable somewhere. It also has hardware raid
> on
> >>>>> board iirc. Just need a power supply, a Core 2 Duo/Quad and RAM. The
> board
> >>>>> even has dual gigabit onboard and 6 SATA ports.
> >>>>> Robbie Trencheny
> >>>>> PHP/MySQL, HTML, CSS Developer
> >>>>> 925.884.3728
> >>>>> www.robbiet.us
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ****** IMPORTANT NOTICE ******
> >>>>> This e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is intended only for use by
> the
> >>>>> addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or
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> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Hephaestus <
> hephaestus at antipunk.net>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm all for freenas, it supports CIFS shares for windows and several
> >>>>>> other formats that can be mounted on all of our common platforms.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'd rather we didn't drop the cash on a drobo or other commodity nas
> >>>>>> system since there's a huge price premium for a level of 'easy' that
> >>>>>> we simply won't need with our average skill level.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If anyone has a motherboard, good power supply (450 watts?), and
> raid
> >>>>>> card they'd like to donate to the cause, I'm all for making this
> >>>>>> happen. (I'm already working on a case for a storage server that we
> >>>>>> can cut on the laser =)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Heph
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Robbie Trencheny <me at robbiet.us>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>> We should just build a FreeNAS or Amahi machine. Both OS's don't
> need
> >>>>>>> much
> >>>>>>> in terms of spec, a Celeron proc would work. I have used both
> before,
> >>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>> work great. If we get a good mobo (I actually have a good one if
> >>>>>>> someone can
> >>>>>>> get me a C2D and RAM) we can have a ton of firewire and USB and
> eSATA
> >>>>>>> ports
> >>>>>>> so that people can just plug in drives.
> >>>>>>> Robbie Trencheny
> >>>>>>> PHP/MySQL, HTML, CSS Developer
> >>>>>>> 925.884.3728
> >>>>>>> www.robbiet.us
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ****** IMPORTANT NOTICE ******
> >>>>>>> This e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is intended only for use
> by
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or
> >>>>>>> confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of
> this
> >>>>>>> e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination,
> distribution or
> >>>>>>> copying of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly
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> notify us
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Al Jigen Billings
> >>>>>>> <albill at openbuddha.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:11 AM, slick wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I suggest an appliance like a Netgear ReadyNAS.  It doesn't have
> to
> >>>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>> that specifically, but something with very little administrative
> >>>>>>>>> overhead i.e. an appliance.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> http://www.readynas.com/?cat=97
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Yeah. I have a Drobo at home.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  I was thinking "cheaper" though. :-)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Al
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>> Discuss mailing list
> >>>>>>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> >>>>>>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> >>>>>>>
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From myles at tenhand.com  Thu Jul 21 12:28:38 2011
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:28:38 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] BFD: Big F'ing Disk
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	<CACAQXeLYG_7OQxamaX3Mb48+hw4Hwv6zJamsLJUsch-mpCgcNA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <11A9F4E7-6255-4AF6-8459-B484459DEB6B@tenhand.com>


On Jul 21, 2011, at 12:09 PM, David Rorex wrote:

> 1. Unless it's a multi-hundred-dollar card, the "hardware raid" is really just software raid, but with a crappier driver (aka "fakeraid"). 
> 2. CPU speed has advanced so much these days, that you don't really gain much by having a specialized processor to handle the calculations. If the system isn't maxing out the CPU doing other stuff, it's pretty much a wash
2.1 What were you doing with the second core on a fileserver anyway? 
> 3. Often times raid cards store data with some proprietary format, so if the card dies, you can't replace it with a different one, you might need an identical raid card.
> 
4. If the raid dies & you need to do forensics,  the tools are *much* better for software raid.
  If you need to shuffle disks into new transport mechanisms (IDE becomesUSB3 &etc)  or operating systems in order to restore, software raid gives you a fighting chance. 

From albill at openbuddha.com  Thu Jul 21 13:29:02 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen BIllings)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 13:29:02 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] RAID box
Message-ID: <52D9E0FB-00E4-4900-9775-617ECC509709@openbuddha.com>

We're having a lively discussion about building the file server.

I wanted to actually say what I initially wanted to put on it. I have most of the videos for the last few years of Defcon and Blackhat and also a lot of the Chaos Communications Congress. Those are probably of interest to others in the space so I wanted to put them somewhere accessible but they are many gigs of data.

Al



From tewing at gmail.com  Thu Jul 21 13:39:41 2011
From: tewing at gmail.com (Terry Ewing)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 13:39:41 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] RAID box
In-Reply-To: <52D9E0FB-00E4-4900-9775-617ECC509709@openbuddha.com>
References: <52D9E0FB-00E4-4900-9775-617ECC509709@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <8C435FE4-E355-4863-AAFC-A3BCE3F46932@gmail.com>

Also, we need a place to hold dxf files, class handouts, etc.  A file server makes good sense.

On Jul 21, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Al Jigen BIllings wrote:

> We're having a lively discussion about building the file server.
> 
> I wanted to actually say what I initially wanted to put on it. I have most of the videos for the last few years of Defcon and Blackhat and also a lot of the Chaos Communications Congress. Those are probably of interest to others in the space so I wanted to put them somewhere accessible but they are many gigs of data.
> 
> Al
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss



From hephaestus at antipunk.net  Thu Jul 21 13:54:04 2011
From: hephaestus at antipunk.net (Hephaestus)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 13:54:04 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] RAID box
In-Reply-To: <8C435FE4-E355-4863-AAFC-A3BCE3F46932@gmail.com>
References: <52D9E0FB-00E4-4900-9775-617ECC509709@openbuddha.com>
	<8C435FE4-E355-4863-AAFC-A3BCE3F46932@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABZdcAkODOTgtoVXXwJKhLa9TJ6W-w4fTqvAWFLZJTespuTKbw@mail.gmail.com>

Should this have a public IP address and http file service? I'm not
sure what our bandwidth is like at the space but it makes sense to
host these things on a public http site.

--
Heph

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:
> Also, we need a place to hold dxf files, class handouts, etc. ?A file server makes good sense.
>
> On Jul 21, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Al Jigen BIllings wrote:
>
>> We're having a lively discussion about building the file server.
>>
>> I wanted to actually say what I initially wanted to put on it. I have most of the videos for the last few years of Defcon and Blackhat and also a lot of the Chaos Communications Congress. Those are probably of interest to others in the space so I wanted to put them somewhere accessible but they are many gigs of data.
>>
>> Al
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>


From albill at openbuddha.com  Thu Jul 21 14:03:22 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen BIllings)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:03:22 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] RAID box
In-Reply-To: <CABZdcAkODOTgtoVXXwJKhLa9TJ6W-w4fTqvAWFLZJTespuTKbw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <52D9E0FB-00E4-4900-9775-617ECC509709@openbuddha.com>
	<8C435FE4-E355-4863-AAFC-A3BCE3F46932@gmail.com>
	<CABZdcAkODOTgtoVXXwJKhLa9TJ6W-w4fTqvAWFLZJTespuTKbw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F43E1B5F-72B7-47BD-9A0B-10867B23F9CA@openbuddha.com>

I would suggest intranet only within the space or we may wind up at risk for things that people may or may not leave on the box.

On Jul 21, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Hephaestus wrote:

> Should this have a public IP address and http file service? I'm not
> sure what our bandwidth is like at the space but it makes sense to
> host these things on a public http site.
> 
> --
> Heph
> 
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Also, we need a place to hold dxf files, class handouts, etc.  A file server makes good sense.
>> 
>> On Jul 21, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Al Jigen BIllings wrote:
>> 
>>> We're having a lively discussion about building the file server.
>>> 
>>> I wanted to actually say what I initially wanted to put on it. I have most of the videos for the last few years of Defcon and Blackhat and also a lot of the Chaos Communications Congress. Those are probably of interest to others in the space so I wanted to put them somewhere accessible but they are many gigs of data.
>>> 
>>> Al
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss



From tewing at gmail.com  Thu Jul 21 14:03:30 2011
From: tewing at gmail.com (Terry Ewing)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:03:30 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] RAID box
In-Reply-To: <CABZdcAkODOTgtoVXXwJKhLa9TJ6W-w4fTqvAWFLZJTespuTKbw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <52D9E0FB-00E4-4900-9775-617ECC509709@openbuddha.com>
	<8C435FE4-E355-4863-AAFC-A3BCE3F46932@gmail.com>
	<CABZdcAkODOTgtoVXXwJKhLa9TJ6W-w4fTqvAWFLZJTespuTKbw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2F84C4F2-6264-4DBC-8761-18B53F69F406@gmail.com>

I'm not sure we want a fileserver with external HTTP access available.  I think any project/file hosting could easily be done by copying the files to an external host.

On Jul 21, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Hephaestus wrote:

> Should this have a public IP address and http file service? I'm not
> sure what our bandwidth is like at the space but it makes sense to
> host these things on a public http site.
> 
> --
> Heph
> 
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Also, we need a place to hold dxf files, class handouts, etc.  A file server makes good sense.
>> 
>> On Jul 21, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Al Jigen BIllings wrote:
>> 
>>> We're having a lively discussion about building the file server.
>>> 
>>> I wanted to actually say what I initially wanted to put on it. I have most of the videos for the last few years of Defcon and Blackhat and also a lot of the Chaos Communications Congress. Those are probably of interest to others in the space so I wanted to put them somewhere accessible but they are many gigs of data.
>>> 
>>> Al
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss



From mark.garrison at gmail.com  Thu Jul 21 17:33:11 2011
From: mark.garrison at gmail.com (Mark Garrison)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 17:33:11 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] attending meeting tonight
Message-ID: <CACpq9e8ns33P00hBB9VZipVzLTgRU0uUqgX8qGJmAtNYEgGTBg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

My name is Mark Garrison, I met a few of you guys last Sunday. I would like
to attend the meeting tonight but I would like someone's contact info that
could let me in the door.
I'm definitely going to join next Month, and looking forward to learning how
the laser cutter works.

Thanks,
Mark Garrison

Sorry for spamming this on the mailing list.
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From romanian at gmail.com  Thu Jul 21 17:43:36 2011
From: romanian at gmail.com (Stefan Hristu)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 17:43:36 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] attending meeting tonight
In-Reply-To: <CACpq9e8ns33P00hBB9VZipVzLTgRU0uUqgX8qGJmAtNYEgGTBg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACpq9e8ns33P00hBB9VZipVzLTgRU0uUqgX8qGJmAtNYEgGTBg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPdpSwzXgxXoGtYqDFT6qsyLvJY4fJU2T3irwfgdfKSXbz0s3g@mail.gmail.com>

that's alright, this is what mailing lists are for.

dialing #214 at the door, will in theory ring our skype setup and we
can let you in that way. the inner door is generally left open.

I'm going to try and be there tonight, 6509241669, but if I am not, I
can get a hold of someone there. also, my number is probably still on
the weekly schedule.


Stefan

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Mark Garrison <mark.garrison at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> My name is Mark Garrison, I met a few of you guys last Sunday. I would like
> to attend the meeting tonight but I would like someone's contact info that
> could let me in the door.
> I'm?definitely?going to join next Month, and looking forward to learning how
> the laser cutter works.
> Thanks,
> Mark Garrison
> Sorry for?spamming?this on the mailing list.
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
>


From drorex at gmail.com  Thu Jul 21 17:45:55 2011
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 17:45:55 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] attending meeting tonight
In-Reply-To: <CAPdpSwzXgxXoGtYqDFT6qsyLvJY4fJU2T3irwfgdfKSXbz0s3g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACpq9e8ns33P00hBB9VZipVzLTgRU0uUqgX8qGJmAtNYEgGTBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPdpSwzXgxXoGtYqDFT6qsyLvJY4fJU2T3irwfgdfKSXbz0s3g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACAQXeL6Q_ubOAG4F=yGfBDpf8cz59r5bAvDLq6w+MZ93ykjCw@mail.gmail.com>

Also there should be a phone number on the display sign outside (which
someone usually remembers to put out on meeting night) that tells you both
#214 and a phone number to call directly into the space, incase the #214
doesn't work.

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Stefan Hristu <romanian at gmail.com> wrote:

> that's alright, this is what mailing lists are for.
>
> dialing #214 at the door, will in theory ring our skype setup and we
> can let you in that way. the inner door is generally left open.
>
> I'm going to try and be there tonight, 6509241669, but if I am not, I
> can get a hold of someone there. also, my number is probably still on
> the weekly schedule.
>
>
> Stefan
>
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Mark Garrison <mark.garrison at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > My name is Mark Garrison, I met a few of you guys last Sunday. I would
> like
> > to attend the meeting tonight but I would like someone's contact info
> that
> > could let me in the door.
> > I'm definitely going to join next Month, and looking forward to learning
> how
> > the laser cutter works.
> > Thanks,
> > Mark Garrison
> > Sorry for spamming this on the mailing list.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Discuss mailing list
> > Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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From factotum at pair.com  Thu Jul 21 20:57:09 2011
From: factotum at pair.com (Chris Owens)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 20:57:09 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] RAID box
In-Reply-To: <2F84C4F2-6264-4DBC-8761-18B53F69F406@gmail.com>
References: <52D9E0FB-00E4-4900-9775-617ECC509709@openbuddha.com>	<8C435FE4-E355-4863-AAFC-A3BCE3F46932@gmail.com>	<CABZdcAkODOTgtoVXXwJKhLa9TJ6W-w4fTqvAWFLZJTespuTKbw@mail.gmail.com>
	<2F84C4F2-6264-4DBC-8761-18B53F69F406@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E28F515.8020001@pair.com>

FreeNAS + JBOD!  All the advantages of RAID with just a bunch of random 
disks!

--Chris O

On 7/21/2011 2:03 PM, Terry Ewing wrote:
> I'm not sure we want a fileserver with external HTTP access available.  I think any project/file hosting could easily be done by copying the files to an external host.
>
> On Jul 21, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Hephaestus wrote:
>
>> Should this have a public IP address and http file service? I'm not
>> sure what our bandwidth is like at the space but it makes sense to
>> host these things on a public http site.
>>
>> --
>> Heph
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Terry Ewing<tewing at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>> Also, we need a place to hold dxf files, class handouts, etc.  A file server makes good sense.
>>>
>>> On Jul 21, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Al Jigen BIllings wrote:
>>>
>>>> We're having a lively discussion about building the file server.
>>>>
>>>> I wanted to actually say what I initially wanted to put on it. I have most of the videos for the last few years of Defcon and Blackhat and also a lot of the Chaos Communications Congress. Those are probably of interest to others in the space so I wanted to put them somewhere accessible but they are many gigs of data.
>>>>
>>>> Al
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Discuss mailing list
>>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>


From romanian at gmail.com  Thu Jul 21 21:03:31 2011
From: romanian at gmail.com (Stefan Hristu)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 23:03:31 -0500
Subject: [AMTD] RAID box
In-Reply-To: <4E28F515.8020001@pair.com>
References: <52D9E0FB-00E4-4900-9775-617ECC509709@openbuddha.com>
	<8C435FE4-E355-4863-AAFC-A3BCE3F46932@gmail.com>
	<CABZdcAkODOTgtoVXXwJKhLa9TJ6W-w4fTqvAWFLZJTespuTKbw@mail.gmail.com>
	<2F84C4F2-6264-4DBC-8761-18B53F69F406@gmail.com>
	<4E28F515.8020001@pair.com>
Message-ID: <CAPdpSwwQVDvN=rC=OsDe5dz1Y3gYOkQtK4Ko4DSB4xGHuP4Nzg@mail.gmail.com>

Dropbox. Let someone else worry about the hardware
On Jul 21, 2011 8:57 PM, "Chris Owens" <factotum at pair.com> wrote:
> FreeNAS + JBOD! All the advantages of RAID with just a bunch of random
> disks!
>
> --Chris O
>
> On 7/21/2011 2:03 PM, Terry Ewing wrote:
>> I'm not sure we want a fileserver with external HTTP access available. I
think any project/file hosting could easily be done by copying the files to
an external host.
>>
>> On Jul 21, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Hephaestus wrote:
>>
>>> Should this have a public IP address and http file service? I'm not
>>> sure what our bandwidth is like at the space but it makes sense to
>>> host these things on a public http site.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Heph
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Terry Ewing<tewing at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Also, we need a place to hold dxf files, class handouts, etc. A file
server makes good sense.
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 21, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Al Jigen BIllings wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We're having a lively discussion about building the file server.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wanted to actually say what I initially wanted to put on it. I have
most of the videos for the last few years of Defcon and Blackhat and also a
lot of the Chaos Communications Congress. Those are probably of interest to
others in the space so I wanted to put them somewhere accessible but they
are many gigs of data.
>>>>>
>>>>> Al
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Discuss mailing list
>>>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Discuss mailing list
>>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
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From romanian at gmail.com  Fri Jul 22 02:06:30 2011
From: romanian at gmail.com (Stefan Hristu)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 02:06:30 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] interesting stuff
Message-ID: <CAPdpSwxVFCTwX3odwbFWDEQjsb0xivjnWi2+xWiHG9qU+vqwpQ@mail.gmail.com>

saw this posted by someone on the dojo list:

http://www.inventables.com/

pretty nifty, though expensive some are.


From chriszf at gmail.com  Fri Jul 22 09:03:38 2011
From: chriszf at gmail.com (Christian Fernandez)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 09:03:38 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Python suspended for next week (but here are a bunch of
 links to keep you entertained in the meanwhilst)
Message-ID: <CAHLXsro+NAHSbkEMb=DrvGBsVMV2=_Gc4Kmg_n9fKym_eEQ4kw@mail.gmail.com>

Whoops people,

I totally forgot I'm headed to Yosemite next week, so unless I develop
telepathic projection skills between now and Tuesday night, the next
python class is Tuesday, August 2nd.

For the record, here is the Sql Alchemy tutorial link:

http://www.sqlalchemy.org/docs/orm/tutorial.html

Additionally, if you need to review, here's a very brief summary of
what sqlalchemy is all about:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_record_pattern


And since I can't remember what I promised to teach for the next
class, either read this:

http://wiki.wxpython.org/Getting%20Started

Or this

http://nehe.gamedev.net/tutorial/lessons_01__05/22004/

And we'll go with whatever majority vote is.


For new people, as always, the starting point to learning python is here:

http://learnpythonthehardway.org

And specifically for Peter, here is where you should start learning Pyglet,

http://www.pyglet.org/doc/programming_guide/writing_a_pyglet_application.html

And if you somehow manage to perfect your Python programming and your
mastery of the Pyglet engine, I'd recommend you move on to
actionscript and flixel, a flash-based game engine

http://flixel.org/index.html

Or, if you really want to bring out the big guns, this

http://www.panda3d.org/manual/index.php/Starting_Panda3D

Which is a hefty full-blown 3d engine that's been used in some
commercial products.

Hope that keeps you all entertained. Till August!

--
Christian


From costamouratidis at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 23 09:26:00 2011
From: costamouratidis at hotmail.com (Costa Mouratidis)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 09:26:00 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Reversing/Assembly class tuesday
Message-ID: <SNT142-w4D42D93A4685BE9C6E3F4A2310@phx.gbl>










Hello all,

I will be giving a short primer on reversing, assembly and related topics at Ace Monster Toys next tuesday the 22nd at 8pm. Everyone is welcome. Mountain Dew and Cheetos will be provided.
cheerscosta

 		 	   		  
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From costamouratidis at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 23 09:44:46 2011
From: costamouratidis at hotmail.com (Costa Mouratidis)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 09:44:46 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Reversing/Assembly class tuesday WOOPS WRONG DATE
In-Reply-To: <SNT142-w4D42D93A4685BE9C6E3F4A2310@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT142-w4D42D93A4685BE9C6E3F4A2310@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT142-w29AB26592F716626D8B80DA2310@phx.gbl>


I meant tuesday the 26th! This next tues!

costa
 		 	   		  
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Sat Jul 23 10:59:10 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 10:59:10 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Reversing/Assembly class tuesday WOOPS WRONG DATE
In-Reply-To: <SNT142-w29AB26592F716626D8B80DA2310@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT142-w4D42D93A4685BE9C6E3F4A2310@phx.gbl>
	<SNT142-w29AB26592F716626D8B80DA2310@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <45460C59-EA19-4ACE-9852-AD5120ECEA6B@openbuddha.com>

Yay.

I'll be there.

Someone other than me should mention this on the Noisebridge list.

Al

On Jul 23, 2011, at 9:44 AM, Costa Mouratidis wrote:

> I meant tuesday the 26th! This next tues!
> 
> costa
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
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From hephaestus at antipunk.net  Sun Jul 24 20:40:44 2011
From: hephaestus at antipunk.net (Hephaestus)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:40:44 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Reversing/Assembly class tuesday
In-Reply-To: <SNT142-w4D42D93A4685BE9C6E3F4A2310@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT142-w4D42D93A4685BE9C6E3F4A2310@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CABZdcAkYNHeXh9zU9GARsa+yYKJF_6n-CWc9GgjexPv7K3P1AQ@mail.gmail.com>

The 26th? I won't be able to make it, but if I drop off a camera would
you mind recording it?

--
Heph

On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Costa Mouratidis
<costamouratidis at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I will be giving a short primer on reversing, assembly and related topics at
> Ace Monster Toys next tuesday the 22nd at 8pm. Everyone is welcome. Mountain
> Dew and Cheetos will be provided.
> cheers
> costa
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
>


From romanian at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 00:29:09 2011
From: romanian at gmail.com (Stefan Hristu)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 00:29:09 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] mill/lathes auction in san jose
Message-ID: <CAPdpSwy97gGvmNhZo8_j4og7Eg3y1sjiwgtDZt6G6cNnuCsjzg@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.aagauction.com/pdfs/2011-08-02.pdf

anyone interested?


From albill at openbuddha.com  Mon Jul 25 12:06:08 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen BIllings)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:06:08 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] mill/lathes auction in san jose
In-Reply-To: <CAPdpSwy97gGvmNhZo8_j4og7Eg3y1sjiwgtDZt6G6cNnuCsjzg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPdpSwy97gGvmNhZo8_j4og7Eg3y1sjiwgtDZt6G6cNnuCsjzg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6F1DA4B5-D6E8-4C69-9FCF-AC9049E8F424@openbuddha.com>

I'll be at Blackhat so I can't.

On Jul 25, 2011, at 12:29 AM, Stefan Hristu wrote:

> http://www.aagauction.com/pdfs/2011-08-02.pdf
> 
> anyone interested?
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss



From myles at tenhand.com  Mon Jul 25 21:01:12 2011
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:01:12 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] random requests
Message-ID: <DFF4F07D-8AE1-4FC9-B892-EE0A01132AB2@tenhand.com>


1) I need a number of empty 2 liter bottles with lids. If this sounds like your desk, drop me a line. 

2) I had good ebay karma recently, so I now have more stuffy than I can actually plan to use for my projects. Let me know if you would like to buy a few  a)  Eneloop AAA nimh cells at $1.25 each. b) 3 watt 8 volt solar panels at $10. These + a buck converter should be perfect for charging USB devices. 


3) I need help with the Ace website. I want to finish the documentation for the bookscanner, but can't be bothered to upload everything via the wiki. Will someone with access please download http://www.tenhand.com/var/www/bscanner/bookscanner.zip and unzip it somewhere on the wiki where I can point people at it?

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From biff at cliffle.com  Tue Jul 26 10:15:41 2011
From: biff at cliffle.com (Cliff L. Biffle)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 10:15:41 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Suggested Android Apps
In-Reply-To: <4E2645FE.7040402@michaelshiloh.com>
References: <626EFC7B-EAD1-4E59-BB93-BDC6870C0030@openbuddha.com>
	<4E262F54.9000901@gmail.com>
	<CACAQXeLoOTmKAm6z8G+KMZWegQCMG3NJYme1NeoBa9uhwq-aiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E263284.6010008@michaelshiloh.com>
	<8CFF299D-55FC-4F3C-9762-7709740E7C87@openbuddha.com>
	<4E263D8C.4020300@michaelshiloh.com>
	<330EF08D-D611-4BB3-AE42-5511449ADDE7@openbuddha.com>
	<CAPdpSwzR2QV+Ri+UxihHHQBmdam04maZJgU7Q9cNxFde3J5p6A@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E2645FE.7040402@michaelshiloh.com>
Message-ID: <CA+hY8PrBCdf85E5NYOnGnDjKbfN4JB52gh_oQmp77dPM-QjE2Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Michael Shiloh
<michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com> wrote:
> interesting. who is your carrier?
>
> my samsung will not allow me to share my internet connection without kicking
> something back to AT&T. i haven't tried this yet, i just took their word for
> it.

Sorry I missed this thread earlier.

Android phones running 2.2 and later can share their internet
connections over Wifi without needing to root the device.  (Ostensibly
they can also do it over USB, but I've never seen that work with my
Macs.)  The network can be protected using WPA2, which is not
impervious to eavesdroppers -- as always, encrypt sensitive traffic.

Carrier-subsidized phones typically use modified firmware that
extracts more money.  Tethering is often the first thing they disable.
 Verizon Android phones go so far as to excise all Bluetooth RFCOMM
support, which could theoretically be used to *implement* tethering.

The Nexus phones provide Android without carrier-specific intrusions,
like no tethering, or certain paid apps you can't uninstall.  They're
also very easy to root.  They're the phones I recommend to geeks.
However, because the carriers don't have as much power to control what
the phone can do, they often won't subsidize a Nexus phone, so you pay
full price.

Finally, even with a Nexus phone, your carrier may require you to pay
more money to use tethering.  If they notice you tethering without
paying the tithe, they can slap on ridiculous data overage charges.
You have been warned.

-- 
Cliff L. Biffle
http://cliffle.com/


From slick at rebelbase.com  Wed Jul 27 10:56:37 2011
From: slick at rebelbase.com (slick)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 10:56:37 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Tonights' RC/Drone Workshop.
Message-ID: <CAMmuSovDHvdhuOF+buRxS71ncjS1RbMM5Y3TUkMq1=zpudfpvA@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone coming?

I crashed the shit out of my SuperCub, It's broke.  I'm going to try
and cut out and assemble an F-22 from plans like these
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvFBbRls8MU For me this will be another
beater plane for learning and experimenting.  I have a fair amount of
material if others want try their hand too.


From albill at openbuddha.com  Wed Jul 27 12:41:18 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 12:41:18 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Tonights' RC/Drone Workshop.
In-Reply-To: <CAMmuSovDHvdhuOF+buRxS71ncjS1RbMM5Y3TUkMq1=zpudfpvA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMmuSovDHvdhuOF+buRxS71ncjS1RbMM5Y3TUkMq1=zpudfpvA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7699C09F-9546-4B23-812F-B0A36003263B@openbuddha.com>

I'm tied up at work, unfortunately. So I won't be able to make it.



On Jul 27, 2011, at 10:56 AM, slick <slick at rebelbase.com> wrote:

> Anyone coming?
> 
> I crashed the shit out of my SuperCub, It's broke.  I'm going to try
> and cut out and assemble an F-22 from plans like these
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvFBbRls8MU For me this will be another
> beater plane for learning and experimenting.  I have a fair amount of
> material if others want try their hand too.
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss


From hephaestus at antipunk.net  Wed Jul 27 15:25:23 2011
From: hephaestus at antipunk.net (Hephaestus)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:25:23 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Need welding services, money could be involved.
Message-ID: <CABZdcAkOtU0_reD=P2cXQYNgvRkZJyCQxQL_pBc1m6tmxRgThg@mail.gmail.com>

I have a hinged auto rack that's broken a couple of important welds
(one of them holding up the hinge). Is anyone comfortable enough with
our welding equipment to try to help fix this? Or could you recommend
a shop that can give it a crack for relatively cheap?

--
Heph


From tewing at gmail.com  Wed Jul 27 15:30:07 2011
From: tewing at gmail.com (Terry Ewing)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:30:07 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Need welding services, money could be involved.
In-Reply-To: <CABZdcAkOtU0_reD=P2cXQYNgvRkZJyCQxQL_pBc1m6tmxRgThg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABZdcAkOtU0_reD=P2cXQYNgvRkZJyCQxQL_pBc1m6tmxRgThg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E6C3495B-D4C9-4201-8DFA-52B473E93CAF@gmail.com>

Ron's Muffler.  Muffler shops tend to do a lot of small welding jobs.  This place is well loved by many people and should be as cheap as anywhere else you'd go.

http://www.yelp.com/biz/rons-berkeley-muffler-service-oakland


On Jul 27, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Hephaestus wrote:

> I have a hinged auto rack that's broken a couple of important welds
> (one of them holding up the hinge). Is anyone comfortable enough with
> our welding equipment to try to help fix this? Or could you recommend
> a shop that can give it a crack for relatively cheap?
> 
> --
> Heph
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss

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From romanian at gmail.com  Wed Jul 27 15:32:59 2011
From: romanian at gmail.com (Stefan Hristu)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 17:32:59 -0500
Subject: [AMTD] Need welding services, money could be involved.
In-Reply-To: <E6C3495B-D4C9-4201-8DFA-52B473E93CAF@gmail.com>
References: <CABZdcAkOtU0_reD=P2cXQYNgvRkZJyCQxQL_pBc1m6tmxRgThg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E6C3495B-D4C9-4201-8DFA-52B473E93CAF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPdpSwwoTmOkcQr8p8=83u-++s3=0nZF729cVKa9-wK0myjMLw@mail.gmail.com>

I heard good things about it as well. i need a new cat and might
actually hit them up for the install.

that being said, yes you could use our equipment to do the job, BUT it
will look ugly. perfect example is my truck's ladder rack if you wanna
get an idea of how ugly (and this was done by a pro).

Stefan

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ron's Muffler. ?Muffler shops tend to do a lot of small welding jobs. ?This
> place is well loved by many people and should be as cheap as anywhere else
> you'd go.
> http://www.yelp.com/biz/rons-berkeley-muffler-service-oakland
>
> On Jul 27, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Hephaestus wrote:
>
> I have a hinged auto rack that's broken a couple of important welds
> (one of them holding up the hinge). Is anyone comfortable enough with
> our welding equipment to try to help fix this? Or could you recommend
> a shop that can give it a crack for relatively cheap?
>
> --
> Heph
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
>


From albill at openbuddha.com  Wed Jul 27 17:04:36 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen BIllings)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 17:04:36 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] [AMT Board] Lease for #214
In-Reply-To: <CAPs-5xVmk=SM75SzbwD9FZs1D7NKPOxq1bt4KqyCb7LzANuPTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8744495C-004D-4703-9500-C25356BDE328@wilson-associates.net>
	<136B18C6-B59A-424E-AF31-16E42999AA3C@openbuddha.com>
	<CAPs-5xVmk=SM75SzbwD9FZs1D7NKPOxq1bt4KqyCb7LzANuPTA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <568F309B-3F9A-4F3C-B4FB-047C70F21DC6@openbuddha.com>

So, assuming we cannot pass a credit and asset check, am I on hook for signing lease again in my own name?

From slick at rebelbase.com  Thu Jul 28 14:11:31 2011
From: slick at rebelbase.com (slick)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 14:11:31 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Tonights' RC/Drone Workshop.
In-Reply-To: <7699C09F-9546-4B23-812F-B0A36003263B@openbuddha.com>
References: <CAMmuSovDHvdhuOF+buRxS71ncjS1RbMM5Y3TUkMq1=zpudfpvA@mail.gmail.com>
	<7699C09F-9546-4B23-812F-B0A36003263B@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <CAMmuSot2E0MsPL3PB9QF+p5_59BWgi86d-VshOX3rX1u2MUMtQ@mail.gmail.com>

So no one really showed up for the meetup last night but Stefan came
by later and we got the laser cutter making airplane parts!  Will be
making F-22 kits for those that want them, while materials last.  Cost
will be material and laser time so prolly $5-$10.

Once again this is the plane:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvFBbRls8MU

-Aaron

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Al Jigen Billings
<albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> I'm tied up at work, unfortunately. So I won't be able to make it.
>
>
>
> On Jul 27, 2011, at 10:56 AM, slick <slick at rebelbase.com> wrote:
>
>> Anyone coming?
>>
>> I crashed the shit out of my SuperCub, It's broke. ?I'm going to try
>> and cut out and assemble an F-22 from plans like these
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvFBbRls8MU For me this will be another
>> beater plane for learning and experimenting. ?I have a fair amount of
>> material if others want try their hand too.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>


From tewing at gmail.com  Thu Jul 28 14:38:09 2011
From: tewing at gmail.com (Terry Ewing)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 14:38:09 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Tonights' RC/Drone Workshop.
In-Reply-To: <CAMmuSot2E0MsPL3PB9QF+p5_59BWgi86d-VshOX3rX1u2MUMtQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMmuSovDHvdhuOF+buRxS71ncjS1RbMM5Y3TUkMq1=zpudfpvA@mail.gmail.com>
	<7699C09F-9546-4B23-812F-B0A36003263B@openbuddha.com>
	<CAMmuSot2E0MsPL3PB9QF+p5_59BWgi86d-VshOX3rX1u2MUMtQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CB544BEF-B210-4D76-A9EC-8599FD9C6C17@gmail.com>

This is awesome!  The laser cutter is being used to manufacture parts for a group project.  

Has anyone discussed how we hold project files for the laser cutter?  If I understand correctly, a laser cutter plan is a dxf file and then needs to be converted into gcode.  Is anyone using git or svn to store projects and revisions?  Does that even make sense for binary DXF files?


On Jul 28, 2011, at 2:11 PM, slick wrote:

> So no one really showed up for the meetup last night but Stefan came
> by later and we got the laser cutter making airplane parts!  Will be
> making F-22 kits for those that want them, while materials last.  Cost
> will be material and laser time so prolly $5-$10.
> 
> Once again this is the plane:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvFBbRls8MU
> 
> -Aaron
> 
> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Al Jigen Billings
> <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
>> I'm tied up at work, unfortunately. So I won't be able to make it.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 27, 2011, at 10:56 AM, slick <slick at rebelbase.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Anyone coming?
>>> 
>>> I crashed the shit out of my SuperCub, It's broke.  I'm going to try
>>> and cut out and assemble an F-22 from plans like these
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvFBbRls8MU For me this will be another
>>> beater plane for learning and experimenting.  I have a fair amount of
>>> material if others want try their hand too.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss



From slick at rebelbase.com  Thu Jul 28 15:55:54 2011
From: slick at rebelbase.com (slick)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:55:54 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Tonights' RC/Drone Workshop.
In-Reply-To: <CB544BEF-B210-4D76-A9EC-8599FD9C6C17@gmail.com>
References: <CAMmuSovDHvdhuOF+buRxS71ncjS1RbMM5Y3TUkMq1=zpudfpvA@mail.gmail.com>
	<7699C09F-9546-4B23-812F-B0A36003263B@openbuddha.com>
	<CAMmuSot2E0MsPL3PB9QF+p5_59BWgi86d-VshOX3rX1u2MUMtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CB544BEF-B210-4D76-A9EC-8599FD9C6C17@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMmuSotnNZoT3SjAsOqY9m6_YBsKMW5ZnsWJT99VaUzVeNHDpw@mail.gmail.com>

Actually the DXF files are imported to the laser cutter's proprietary
format.  Stefan and I discussed a little about using github or SVN to
store project files, but we never came up with a plan.  Right now
people have a folder with their name on it on the desktop of the
laptop that runs the laser.

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:
> This is awesome! ?The laser cutter is being used to manufacture parts for a group project.
>
> Has anyone discussed how we hold project files for the laser cutter? ?If I understand correctly, a laser cutter plan is a dxf file and then needs to be converted into gcode. ?Is anyone using git or svn to store projects and revisions? ?Does that even make sense for binary DXF files?
>
>
> On Jul 28, 2011, at 2:11 PM, slick wrote:
>
>> So no one really showed up for the meetup last night but Stefan came
>> by later and we got the laser cutter making airplane parts! ?Will be
>> making F-22 kits for those that want them, while materials last. ?Cost
>> will be material and laser time so prolly $5-$10.
>>
>> Once again this is the plane:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvFBbRls8MU
>>
>> -Aaron
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Al Jigen Billings
>> <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
>>> I'm tied up at work, unfortunately. So I won't be able to make it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 27, 2011, at 10:56 AM, slick <slick at rebelbase.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone coming?
>>>>
>>>> I crashed the shit out of my SuperCub, It's broke. ?I'm going to try
>>>> and cut out and assemble an F-22 from plans like these
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvFBbRls8MU For me this will be another
>>>> beater plane for learning and experimenting. ?I have a fair amount of
>>>> material if others want try their hand too.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Discuss mailing list
>>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
>


From idris.raja at gmail.com  Thu Jul 28 15:56:12 2011
From: idris.raja at gmail.com (Idris Raja)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:56:12 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Joining AMT
Message-ID: <CAAHOP__DgG_qanMcOzu=jryhe=RUy_ovBJa3X11jBDkjqWV0EQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,

I've met some of you at the Tuesday night Python classes and am interested
in joining. When's a good time to show up to make that happen?

--Idris
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From me at robbiet.us  Thu Jul 28 15:57:34 2011
From: me at robbiet.us (Robbie Trencheny)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:57:34 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Joining AMT
In-Reply-To: <CAAHOP__DgG_qanMcOzu=jryhe=RUy_ovBJa3X11jBDkjqWV0EQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAHOP__DgG_qanMcOzu=jryhe=RUy_ovBJa3X11jBDkjqWV0EQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7AA061FB-D536-4F7D-A950-E0756AAC71B8@gmail.com>

Tonight is a great night, as it's our general meeting! The meeting starts at 7:30 however we normally deal with business-y stuff until about 8. So come after 8 and talk to myself (Robbie, the Secretary) or David Rorex, the treasurer!

Hope to see you then!
On Jul 28, 2011, at 3:56 PM, Idris Raja wrote:

> Hey all,
> 
> I've met some of you at the Tuesday night Python classes and am interested in joining. When's a good time to show up to make that happen?
> 
> --Idris
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss



From tewing at gmail.com  Thu Jul 28 16:01:59 2011
From: tewing at gmail.com (Terry Ewing)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:01:59 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Tonights' RC/Drone Workshop.
In-Reply-To: <CAMmuSotnNZoT3SjAsOqY9m6_YBsKMW5ZnsWJT99VaUzVeNHDpw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMmuSovDHvdhuOF+buRxS71ncjS1RbMM5Y3TUkMq1=zpudfpvA@mail.gmail.com>
	<7699C09F-9546-4B23-812F-B0A36003263B@openbuddha.com>
	<CAMmuSot2E0MsPL3PB9QF+p5_59BWgi86d-VshOX3rX1u2MUMtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CB544BEF-B210-4D76-A9EC-8599FD9C6C17@gmail.com>
	<CAMmuSotnNZoT3SjAsOqY9m6_YBsKMW5ZnsWJT99VaUzVeNHDpw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F74B0393-ADD0-4A99-919D-CF67DCDF92D1@gmail.com>

Hmm.  leaving a folder on the desktop of the machine attached to the laser cutter seems good for short term stuff but I think we need to find a way to store and track revisions and such and have access beyond the computer attached to the cutter.

On Jul 28, 2011, at 3:55 PM, slick wrote:

> Actually the DXF files are imported to the laser cutter's proprietary
> format.  Stefan and I discussed a little about using github or SVN to
> store project files, but we never came up with a plan.  Right now
> people have a folder with their name on it on the desktop of the
> laptop that runs the laser.
> 
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:
>> This is awesome!  The laser cutter is being used to manufacture parts for a group project.
>> 
>> Has anyone discussed how we hold project files for the laser cutter?  If I understand correctly, a laser cutter plan is a dxf file and then needs to be converted into gcode.  Is anyone using git or svn to store projects and revisions?  Does that even make sense for binary DXF files?
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 28, 2011, at 2:11 PM, slick wrote:
>> 
>>> So no one really showed up for the meetup last night but Stefan came
>>> by later and we got the laser cutter making airplane parts!  Will be
>>> making F-22 kits for those that want them, while materials last.  Cost
>>> will be material and laser time so prolly $5-$10.
>>> 
>>> Once again this is the plane:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvFBbRls8MU
>>> 
>>> -Aaron
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Al Jigen Billings
>>> <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
>>>> I'm tied up at work, unfortunately. So I won't be able to make it.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 27, 2011, at 10:56 AM, slick <slick at rebelbase.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Anyone coming?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I crashed the shit out of my SuperCub, It's broke.  I'm going to try
>>>>> and cut out and assemble an F-22 from plans like these
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvFBbRls8MU For me this will be another
>>>>> beater plane for learning and experimenting.  I have a fair amount of
>>>>> material if others want try their hand too.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Discuss mailing list
>>>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> 
>> 
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Thu Jul 28 16:02:07 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen BIllings)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:02:07 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Tonights' RC/Drone Workshop.
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That said, we do have an AMT github locus as an organization at https://github.com/acemonstertoys.

On Jul 28, 2011, at 3:55 PM, slick wrote:

> Actually the DXF files are imported to the laser cutter's proprietary
> format.  Stefan and I discussed a little about using github or SVN to
> store project files, but we never came up with a plan.  Right now
> people have a folder with their name on it on the desktop of the
> laptop that runs the laser.
> 
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:
>> This is awesome!  The laser cutter is being used to manufacture parts for a group project.
>> 
>> Has anyone discussed how we hold project files for the laser cutter?  If I understand correctly, a laser cutter plan is a dxf file and then needs to be converted into gcode.  Is anyone using git or svn to store projects and revisions?  Does that even make sense for binary DXF files?
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 28, 2011, at 2:11 PM, slick wrote:
>> 
>>> So no one really showed up for the meetup last night but Stefan came
>>> by later and we got the laser cutter making airplane parts!  Will be
>>> making F-22 kits for those that want them, while materials last.  Cost
>>> will be material and laser time so prolly $5-$10.
>>> 
>>> Once again this is the plane:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvFBbRls8MU
>>> 
>>> -Aaron
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Al Jigen Billings
>>> <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
>>>> I'm tied up at work, unfortunately. So I won't be able to make it.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 27, 2011, at 10:56 AM, slick <slick at rebelbase.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Anyone coming?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I crashed the shit out of my SuperCub, It's broke.  I'm going to try
>>>>> and cut out and assemble an F-22 from plans like these
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvFBbRls8MU For me this will be another
>>>>> beater plane for learning and experimenting.  I have a fair amount of
>>>>> material if others want try their hand too.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Discuss mailing list
>>>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> 
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss



From idris.raja at gmail.com  Thu Jul 28 16:03:09 2011
From: idris.raja at gmail.com (Idris Raja)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:03:09 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Joining AMT
Message-ID: <CAAHOP_-oG9tpUWMeQnhSAqusYtOhEwj3FzHwtf2XXswWUbnkMQ@mail.gmail.com>

Awesome. I'll see you tonight!
On Jul 28, 2011 3:57 PM, "Robbie Trencheny" <me at robbiet.us> wrote:
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