From slick at rebelbase.com  Tue Nov  1 19:26:01 2011
From: slick at rebelbase.com (slick)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 19:26:01 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] This Wednesday's R/C Workshop
Message-ID: <CAMmuSouLmLp7GQtxt-DYm0+HO9V8VTU7tvrr5qEd0ewvwxHxKg@mail.gmail.com>

So I have a job interview Thursday in Sacramento.  I'm not going to
make the R/C workshop Wednesday evening.  If Some one else would like
to lead it that would be great otherwise I'm calling it cancelled.

-Aaron


From romanian at gmail.com  Tue Nov  1 19:28:20 2011
From: romanian at gmail.com (Stefan Hristu)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 19:28:20 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] This Wednesday's R/C Workshop
In-Reply-To: <CAMmuSouLmLp7GQtxt-DYm0+HO9V8VTU7tvrr5qEd0ewvwxHxKg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMmuSouLmLp7GQtxt-DYm0+HO9V8VTU7tvrr5qEd0ewvwxHxKg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPdpSwweFEvR+AuPSfdZ=b23CfhFqifdRNJ3QPyFDZQj8NGVgQ@mail.gmail.com>

Good luck dude!

I'll be around if people want to drop by.

Stefan
On Nov 1, 2011 7:26 PM, "slick" <slick at rebelbase.com> wrote:

> So I have a job interview Thursday in Sacramento.  I'm not going to
> make the R/C workshop Wednesday evening.  If Some one else would like
> to lead it that would be great otherwise I'm calling it cancelled.
>
> -Aaron
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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From zamfire at gmail.com  Tue Nov  1 22:25:29 2011
From: zamfire at gmail.com (J.D. Zamfirescu-Pereira)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 22:25:29 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Workshop Weekend this Sat&Sun - learn to solder,
 program an arduino, work with EL wire and more
Message-ID: <A5EA6A28D55D44F2A1FD783B0FCFD3E9@gmail.com>

Hi Ace Monster Toys,

Just wanted to let you know of an event at a nearby space -  Workshop Weekend is this weekend (Nov. 5 & 6) at Tech Liminal in downtown Oakland.

There will be 17 workshops taking place over the course of the weekend. Each workshop is 1-3 hours and costs only $20 + materials. If any interest you, sign up at http://whatwillyoulearn.com/catalog

It should be a fun event!

The full list of workshops is:
? Learn to Solder
? How to use the Arduino Tinker Kit
? Make a Tin Can 2-String / Intro to Instrument Making
? Sewing Circuits
? Build a Camping Stove
? Marble Roller Coasters
? Basic Electroluminescent Wire Workshop
? Flow-Wand
? An Introduction to Poi Spinning
? Going from Idea to Product for the Small Time Maker
? Beginning Web Development with PHP
? Wet Felted Flower Workshop
? Introduction to PCB Layout
? Fusing Plastic Fabric
? Conductive! Sew a Soft Circuit
? Spontaneous Magic
? The Internet & Computer Networks


I hope to see you this weekend!

J.D.
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From lee.shoe at gmail.com  Wed Nov  2 11:28:12 2011
From: lee.shoe at gmail.com (tim)
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 11:28:12 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] AInts: AI ants.
In-Reply-To: <CA+hY8Ppvr49EhX+DAUHV8AU_Yz8NtY9SUhSBg+-28J3Ki52u3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+hY8Ppvr49EhX+DAUHV8AU_Yz8NtY9SUhSBg+-28J3Ki52u3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EB18BBC.5040304@gmail.com>

http://aichallenge.org/problem_description.php

looks fun.
-tim


From romanian at gmail.com  Wed Nov  2 11:38:47 2011
From: romanian at gmail.com (Stefan Hristu)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 11:38:47 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] AInts: AI ants.
In-Reply-To: <4EB18BBC.5040304@gmail.com>
References: <CA+hY8Ppvr49EhX+DAUHV8AU_Yz8NtY9SUhSBg+-28J3Ki52u3Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EB18BBC.5040304@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPdpSwwqvfQT_mGMSn55Uskpv6K0AQH-dvTRC694VdC7Fb_PYA@mail.gmail.com>

Hmm, does each algorhythm get a single chance, or can it be a learning type
thing? Each game tweaks the parameters, gets better with each bout.

Looks like fun.
On Nov 2, 2011 11:28 AM, "tim" <lee.shoe at gmail.com> wrote:

> http://aichallenge.org/**problem_description.php<http://aichallenge.org/problem_description.php>
>
> looks fun.
> -tim
> ______________________________**_________________
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From lee.shoe at gmail.com  Wed Nov  2 11:48:01 2011
From: lee.shoe at gmail.com (tim)
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 11:48:01 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] AInts: AI ants.
In-Reply-To: <CAPdpSwwqvfQT_mGMSn55Uskpv6K0AQH-dvTRC694VdC7Fb_PYA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+hY8Ppvr49EhX+DAUHV8AU_Yz8NtY9SUhSBg+-28J3Ki52u3Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EB18BBC.5040304@gmail.com>
	<CAPdpSwwqvfQT_mGMSn55Uskpv6K0AQH-dvTRC694VdC7Fb_PYA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EB19061.6060001@gmail.com>

looks like each map dies at 150 turns, and your algorithm lives as long 
as your anty objects persist. if your algorithm hangs past time limit 
without acting, or breaks the rules, it gets the boot. info about input 
and output parameters:
http://aichallenge.org/specification.php
algorithm can learn about a given map instance, but those lessons would 
be lost unless it collects data. i don't know how to treat the problem 
of learning outside the bounds of a single game. you have to upload code 
to run in a game.



On 11/2/2011 11:38 AM, Stefan Hristu wrote:
>
> Hmm, does each algorhythm get a single chance, or can it be a learning 
> type thing? Each game tweaks the parameters, gets better with each bout.
>
> Looks like fun.
>
> On Nov 2, 2011 11:28 AM, "tim" <lee.shoe at gmail.com 
> <mailto:lee.shoe at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     http://aichallenge.org/problem_description.php
>
>     looks fun.
>     -tim
>     _______________________________________________
>     Discuss mailing list
>     Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>     <mailto:Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org>
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From onno at gmx.net  Sat Nov  5 16:35:45 2011
From: onno at gmx.net (Onno Kortmann)
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 16:35:45 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Bench power supply
Message-ID: <4EB5C851.6000108@gmx.net>

Hey Guys,

does anyone have a spare regulated power supply (preferably dual) that 
could be used for the electronics workspace? If not, I'll try getting a 
used one from ebay.

Cheers,

Onno



From slick at rebelbase.com  Sat Nov  5 19:08:02 2011
From: slick at rebelbase.com (slick)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 19:08:02 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Coffee & Power
Message-ID: <CAMmuSouEypoYmNZR80O44U=7sWocmwupdrwQ1FQs1cG-oFXW4w@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.coffeeandpower.com/

Site to match people and small jobs, looks a bit more accessible than
Amazons mechanical turk.

Looks like some one who knows python could knock down some jobs pretty quick.

-Aaron


From biff at cliffle.com  Sun Nov  6 11:56:10 2011
From: biff at cliffle.com (Cliff L. Biffle)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:56:10 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Leveling the Laser
Message-ID: <CA+hY8PqPXR3qeRt7s3eFLdgY_w=Luwbeb_Q9TdmG7q=FBSBORA@mail.gmail.com>

The laser's cutting bed is way out of level.  Have we found a better way to
adjust it than removing the belts (because this is a pain?).  I'm happy to
fix it, but I was hoping someone had found a trick.

-- 
Cliff L. Biffle
http://cliffle.com/
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From drorex at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 11:58:17 2011
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:58:17 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Leveling the Laser
In-Reply-To: <CA+hY8PqPXR3qeRt7s3eFLdgY_w=Luwbeb_Q9TdmG7q=FBSBORA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+hY8PqPXR3qeRt7s3eFLdgY_w=Luwbeb_Q9TdmG7q=FBSBORA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACAQXeLh991PTYQAudEpj6n0ctNy-O2ijar000KH1HySyunh9A@mail.gmail.com>

In theory we should only need to level it once, assuming cleaning off the
threaded rods and applying new grease solves the skipping problem. I don't
know that anyone has been sufficiently annoyed yet by the out of level to
actually go through the hassle of doing all that.

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Cliff L. Biffle <biff at cliffle.com> wrote:

> The laser's cutting bed is way out of level.  Have we found a better way
> to adjust it than removing the belts (because this is a pain?).  I'm happy
> to fix it, but I was hoping someone had found a trick.
>
>  --
> Cliff L. Biffle
> http://cliffle.com/
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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From drorex at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 12:27:19 2011
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 12:27:19 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Updates on Makerbot Alice
Message-ID: <CACAQXeKzwkLsiZ8fPRvWEDGFMmzTQ0KPG091-FmEsU-fp1mC_w@mail.gmail.com>

I put in a hack into the v2.81 version of the extruder firmware for
makerbot alice, and in the process I also fixed the RPM (before it was off
by a factor of four -- now when you put in 2 RPM it really goes at 2 RPM).
I first tried using the newer v3 version (which will be required to use the
next version of replicatorg 27), but the motherboard wasn't recognizing it
(I also updated the motherboard to v3). So for now the motherboard is on
v2.4 and the extruder is on v2.82 (v2.81 + my hack). I didn't get a chance
to do too many prints, since the bug doesn't come up every time, I'm not
100% sure it's fixed, but I printed two cubes ok.

The quality of prints is pretty bad, but I'm assuming it's just because the
speed / temperature / flow rate / layer height settings need to be
calibrated for the new extruder still.

Also the z-axis was skipping a couple times -- I remember we had this
problem in the past and fixed it, what was it we did?
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From biff at cliffle.com  Sun Nov  6 12:42:23 2011
From: biff at cliffle.com (Cliff L. Biffle)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 12:42:23 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Leveling the Laser
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXeLh991PTYQAudEpj6n0ctNy-O2ijar000KH1HySyunh9A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+hY8PqPXR3qeRt7s3eFLdgY_w=Luwbeb_Q9TdmG7q=FBSBORA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACAQXeLh991PTYQAudEpj6n0ctNy-O2ijar000KH1HySyunh9A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+hY8PrpuWcE_3shes8NtNAbTiES+RhH-Q3+2_zs7EN5P9=mXA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 11:58 AM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:

> In theory we should only need to level it once, assuming cleaning off the
> threaded rods and applying new grease solves the skipping problem. I don't
> know that anyone has been sufficiently annoyed yet by the out of level to
> actually go through the hassle of doing all that.
>

Well, I did all that shortly after we bought it.  The binding problem
seemed to be caused by the rods being slightly out of alignment, not any
kind of fouling of the threads.  But since it only acts up when you move it
several centimeters down, it's not a big deal in practice.

The platform is currently about 1.5cm lower in the back-right corner than
in the others, which is enough of a problem that I can't consistently cut a
sheet of plywood.

-- 
Cliff L. Biffle
http://cliffle.com/
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From gittel at twocats.com  Sun Nov  6 14:03:29 2011
From: gittel at twocats.com (Mike Gittelsohn)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:03:29 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] laser vent shaft
Message-ID: <CAKfrLO1X2AV0aayd9xCwpKDFHYiraABRE+GZB8su7RJk6Z1=NQ@mail.gmail.com>

Stefan and I improved the laser room vent shaft by replacing most of the
fabric duct tape with metal tape and by using expanding foam to seal up
leaks in the area where the shaft goes through the ceiling of the first
floor. We tested it while cutting cardboard and wood with the laser, and it
seems to solve approximately 96% of the upstairs smoke problem. If you use
the laser, please go upstairs, take a smell while cutting and email me with
your impression. I think that these improvements will enable us to avoid
moving the fan to the 2nd floor ceiling, and avoid replacing the vent cap.

-- 
Mike Gittelsohn
1638 Ward Street
Berkeley, CA 94703
510-812-8620 (cell)
gittel at twocats.com

Love the believer, not the belief.
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Sun Nov  6 14:16:27 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 14:16:27 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] laser vent shaft
In-Reply-To: <CAKfrLO1X2AV0aayd9xCwpKDFHYiraABRE+GZB8su7RJk6Z1=NQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKfrLO1X2AV0aayd9xCwpKDFHYiraABRE+GZB8su7RJk6Z1=NQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EB7073B.80500@openbuddha.com>

On 11/6/11 2:03 PM, Mike Gittelsohn wrote:
> Stefan and I improved the laser room vent shaft by replacing most of 
> the fabric duct tape with metal tape and by using expanding foam to 
> seal up leaks in the area where the shaft goes through the ceiling of 
> the first floor. We tested it while cutting cardboard and wood with 
> the laser, and it seems to solve approximately 96% of the upstairs 
> smoke problem. If you use the laser, please go upstairs, take a smell 
> while cutting and email me with your impression. I think that these 
> improvements will enable us to avoid moving the fan to the 2nd floor 
> ceiling, and avoid replacing the vent cap.

I want to thank you and Stefan for doing this work. It was noticeably 
better when I was cutting the other night.

Al



From biff at cliffle.com  Sun Nov  6 18:20:40 2011
From: biff at cliffle.com (Cliff L. Biffle)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:20:40 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Laser bed is now level.
Message-ID: <CA+hY8PrwcSDdqemwsKW5gRkCruV1RdgNQ4f9ddGBR-HfTcof3A@mail.gmail.com>

Stefan, Costa, and I leveled the laser bed.  It is within a fraction of a
millimeter all the way across in both directions now.  The honeycomb is
slightly warped, so you'll still see some perturbations, but I straightened
that most of the way too.

With the bed level, I was able to cut a full 48x24 panel of parts cleanly
from 1/4" birch.

If you drive the Z axis too far up or down, the bed will screw up again.
 If this happens, please tell someone.  I'd much rather re-level the bed
again than have to discard a full panel of parts because one side didn't
cut all the way through.

Some tips:

   1. Make sure your material isn't resting on the honeycomb's frame, just
   on the porous honeycomb itself.  (This means it needs to be roughly 46 x 22
   inches or smaller.)
   2. Use paper or some other material to block the honeycomb all around
   your piece, so that the vacuum table can do its work and pull your material
   flat.  This also helps ensure that all smoke is sucked down through the
   kerf.
   3. If your material starts producing more smoke and soot (particularly
   plywood), it's a sign that the laser isn't cutting all the way through.

-- 
Cliff L. Biffle
http://cliffle.com/
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From biff at cliffle.com  Sun Nov  6 22:39:57 2011
From: biff at cliffle.com (Cliff L. Biffle)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:39:57 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Open-source laser-cuttable chest of drawers and table
Message-ID: <CA+hY8Pr+h0pDAE5jZOjGPP2EKW3Mo8J2ZFRZ-BzPq+y=bjySTA@mail.gmail.com>

I wrote some new furniture this weekend.  If you need a chest of drawers or
an endtable, and don't mind building it yourself, today is your lucky day.

Pix attached*.  (Bespoke table includes floral embellishments that are not
present in the open-source version.)

Source:

   - http://cliffle.com/thing/endtable
   - http://cliffle.com/thing/drawers


* Pix are not actually attached because our mailing list server won't let
me.  Click on the links.

-- 
Cliff L. Biffle
http://cliffle.com/
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From romanian at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 22:43:23 2011
From: romanian at gmail.com (Stefan Hristu)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:43:23 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Open-source laser-cuttable chest of drawers and table
In-Reply-To: <CA+hY8Pr+h0pDAE5jZOjGPP2EKW3Mo8J2ZFRZ-BzPq+y=bjySTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+hY8Pr+h0pDAE5jZOjGPP2EKW3Mo8J2ZFRZ-BzPq+y=bjySTA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPdpSwy=c+4xbgsJ=Ux=5gAn-BsV6y5XJPgHoj9z30dVH-2Wew@mail.gmail.com>

That rendering of the chest of drawers has an almost dongiveresque feel :P
On Nov 6, 2011 10:40 PM, "Cliff L. Biffle" <biff at cliffle.com> wrote:

> I wrote some new furniture this weekend.  If you need a chest of drawers
> or an endtable, and don't mind building it yourself, today is your lucky
> day.
>
> Pix attached*.  (Bespoke table includes floral embellishments that are not
> present in the open-source version.)
>
> Source:
>
>    - http://cliffle.com/thing/endtable
>    - http://cliffle.com/thing/drawers
>
>
> * Pix are not actually attached because our mailing list server won't let
> me.  Click on the links.
>
> --
> Cliff L. Biffle
> http://cliffle.com/
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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From biff at cliffle.com  Mon Nov  7 08:39:01 2011
From: biff at cliffle.com (Cliff L. Biffle)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 08:39:01 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Open-source laser-cuttable chest of drawers and table
In-Reply-To: <CAPdpSwy=c+4xbgsJ=Ux=5gAn-BsV6y5XJPgHoj9z30dVH-2Wew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+hY8Pr+h0pDAE5jZOjGPP2EKW3Mo8J2ZFRZ-BzPq+y=bjySTA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPdpSwy=c+4xbgsJ=Ux=5gAn-BsV6y5XJPgHoj9z30dVH-2Wew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+hY8Ppod4JzO7O=jENv8qkacZFxtAjMDJyTcu5oTmAaz485Gw@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 10:43 PM, Stefan Hristu <romanian at gmail.com> wrote:

> That rendering of the chest of drawers has an almost dongiveresque feel :P
>
Only in the eyes of certain people. :-)

-- 
Cliff L. Biffle
http://cliffle.com/
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From biff at cliffle.com  Mon Nov  7 14:13:42 2011
From: biff at cliffle.com (Cliff L. Biffle)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:13:42 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] We have a Google+ page.
Message-ID: <CA+hY8Pqt1xBS5g6aM0kJ1VgCK-dk5_Lo8o-pcBh70maj=FgX9w@mail.gmail.com>

I've gone ahead and squatted on the Ace Monster Toys Google+ page.  I'll
send out a URL when I get it all sorted out.

-- 
Cliff L. Biffle
http://cliffle.com/
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From atmanistan at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 14:16:52 2011
From: atmanistan at gmail.com (Sam Putman)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:16:52 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Open-source laser-cuttable chest of drawers and table
In-Reply-To: <CA+hY8Pr+h0pDAE5jZOjGPP2EKW3Mo8J2ZFRZ-BzPq+y=bjySTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+hY8Pr+h0pDAE5jZOjGPP2EKW3Mo8J2ZFRZ-BzPq+y=bjySTA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANFD0BHu6f9TZdD-JCkoQa+W_grA-2nz=g13OJhPif4XL5_zcw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Cliff,

Those look spiffy. Any chance you might do an openSCAD workshop
sometime? I tried using it a couple years ago and kinda bounced off.

Cheers,
-Sam.

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Cliff L. Biffle <biff at cliffle.com> wrote:
> I wrote some new furniture this weekend. ?If you need a chest of drawers or
> an endtable, and don't mind building it yourself, today is your lucky day.
> Pix attached*. ?(Bespoke table includes floral embellishments that are not
> present in the open-source version.)
>
> Source:
>
> http://cliffle.com/thing/endtable
> http://cliffle.com/thing/drawers
>
> * Pix are not actually attached because our mailing list server won't let
> me. ?Click on the links.
> --
> Cliff L. Biffle
> http://cliffle.com/
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
>


From biff at cliffle.com  Mon Nov  7 14:45:35 2011
From: biff at cliffle.com (Cliff L. Biffle)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:45:35 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Open-source laser-cuttable chest of drawers and table
In-Reply-To: <CANFD0BHu6f9TZdD-JCkoQa+W_grA-2nz=g13OJhPif4XL5_zcw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Sam Putman <atmanistan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Those look spiffy. Any chance you might do an openSCAD workshop
> sometime? I tried using it a couple years ago and kinda bounced off.
>

Yeah, I'm actually giving some thought to that.  No promises, but I'll see
what I can do.

-- 
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From drorex at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 15:22:54 2011
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:22:54 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] We have a Google+ page.
In-Reply-To: <CA+hY8Pqt1xBS5g6aM0kJ1VgCK-dk5_Lo8o-pcBh70maj=FgX9w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+hY8Pqt1xBS5g6aM0kJ1VgCK-dk5_Lo8o-pcBh70maj=FgX9w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACAQXeK6gQjs3W-hPWwFaiUC3q_DNmD5r=KpzcPLRJ0Ec+97Vw@mail.gmail.com>

Apparently google has no qualms with letting multiple people create pages
with identical titles. I just created one called "Ace Monster Toys" as
well...oops

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Cliff L. Biffle <biff at cliffle.com> wrote:

> I've gone ahead and squatted on the Ace Monster Toys Google+ page.  I'll
> send out a URL when I get it all sorted out.
>
> --
> Cliff L. Biffle
> http://cliffle.com/
>
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From drorex at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 17:34:38 2011
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 17:34:38 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Cant make arduino night on wens 7pm
Message-ID: <CACAQXeJ2HeJ7RXNyD=oQ44Ti=OLXU5WBY=HiwZmRt9jdBczU0A@mail.gmail.com>

Will there be any members there that night that can let the new people in?
So i dont have to completely cancel it.

Michelle didn't want to spend her birthday at a hackerspace unfortunately.
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From biff at cliffle.com  Tue Nov  8 18:31:37 2011
From: biff at cliffle.com (Cliff L. Biffle)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 18:31:37 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] We have a Google+ page.
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXeK6gQjs3W-hPWwFaiUC3q_DNmD5r=KpzcPLRJ0Ec+97Vw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+hY8Pqt1xBS5g6aM0kJ1VgCK-dk5_Lo8o-pcBh70maj=FgX9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACAQXeK6gQjs3W-hPWwFaiUC3q_DNmD5r=KpzcPLRJ0Ec+97Vw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 3:22 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:

> Apparently google has no qualms with letting multiple people create pages
> with identical titles. I just created one called "Ace Monster Toys" as
> well...oops
>

Have you figured out how to add other people as owners on a page?  I
haven't.

-- 
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From drorex at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 10:13:27 2011
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 10:13:27 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Cant make arduino night on wens 7pm
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXeJ2HeJ7RXNyD=oQ44Ti=OLXU5WBY=HiwZmRt9jdBczU0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACAQXeJ2HeJ7RXNyD=oQ44Ti=OLXU5WBY=HiwZmRt9jdBczU0A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACAQXeKC7Zg0TE_ZopEPQnKB83HSfrHsfvUVtYsbVmkBhnG7Bg@mail.gmail.com>

Costa has volunteered to keep the space open tonight, so feel free to still
come by! No guarantees that anyone who actually knows anything about
arduinos will be there though...if you desperately need help with
something, I'd suggest coming by tomorrow night before the meeting, when I
will be there.

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 5:34 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:

> Will there be any members there that night that can let the new people in?
> So i dont have to completely cancel it.
>
> Michelle didn't want to spend her birthday at a hackerspace unfortunately.
>
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From drorex at gmail.com  Thu Nov 10 18:52:21 2011
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:52:21 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Where'd the laser usage tracking sheets go?
Message-ID: <CACAQXeJ9kU3x=WvjVOL5SXT9YFbHBwVvRrqS=UF8a9EcqSgdtg@mail.gmail.com>

Was about to enter in the data for october in my spreadsheets and send out
invoices, but can't find it. Looks like someone printed up new sheets (i'm
assuming the old ones were full). Anybody know where the old sheets are?
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From romanian at gmail.com  Thu Nov 10 19:51:42 2011
From: romanian at gmail.com (Stefan Hristu)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:51:42 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Where'd the laser usage tracking sheets go?
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXeJ9kU3x=WvjVOL5SXT9YFbHBwVvRrqS=UF8a9EcqSgdtg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACAQXeJ9kU3x=WvjVOL5SXT9YFbHBwVvRrqS=UF8a9EcqSgdtg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPdpSwy1EWL6Rex1Z4F+AQ-T7-EzLkKnQpHCrKscvKJTpb_z=A@mail.gmail.com>

It's in the treasurer locker.
On Nov 10, 2011 6:52 PM, "David Rorex" <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:

> Was about to enter in the data for october in my spreadsheets and send out
> invoices, but can't find it. Looks like someone printed up new sheets (i'm
> assuming the old ones were full). Anybody know where the old sheets are?
>
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From drorex at gmail.com  Fri Nov 11 09:18:46 2011
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:18:46 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] laser vent shaft
In-Reply-To: <4EB7073B.80500@openbuddha.com>
References: <CAKfrLO1X2AV0aayd9xCwpKDFHYiraABRE+GZB8su7RJk6Z1=NQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EB7073B.80500@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <CACAQXeJOqJOYGEBoEE=jsiAGNVJEjNhxkwqrRCjW27j65UcQ7Q@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah it definitely helps, I was there during some lasing, and didn't notice
any fumes. It's great!

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com>wrote:

> On 11/6/11 2:03 PM, Mike Gittelsohn wrote:
>
>> Stefan and I improved the laser room vent shaft by replacing most of the
>> fabric duct tape with metal tape and by using expanding foam to seal up
>> leaks in the area where the shaft goes through the ceiling of the first
>> floor. We tested it while cutting cardboard and wood with the laser, and it
>> seems to solve approximately 96% of the upstairs smoke problem. If you use
>> the laser, please go upstairs, take a smell while cutting and email me with
>> your impression. I think that these improvements will enable us to avoid
>> moving the fan to the 2nd floor ceiling, and avoid replacing the vent cap.
>>
>
> I want to thank you and Stefan for doing this work. It was noticeably
> better when I was cutting the other night.
>
> Al
>
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From drorex at gmail.com  Fri Nov 11 09:19:42 2011
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:19:42 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Bench power supply
In-Reply-To: <4EB5C851.6000108@gmx.net>
References: <4EB5C851.6000108@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <CACAQXeL6sQ40Ho+w+R2H9SQ8BmxG3mVF_gt8mSks=9o372_aFA@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know if it was you or not, but there's now what appears to be an
ATX power supply modded into a bench top power supply. I haven't poked at
it too closely, but I assume it outputs 5V and 12V.

On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Onno Kortmann <onno at gmx.net> wrote:

> Hey Guys,
>
> does anyone have a spare regulated power supply (preferably dual) that
> could be used for the electronics workspace? If not, I'll try getting a
> used one from ebay.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Onno
>
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From slick at rebelbase.com  Fri Nov 11 13:50:22 2011
From: slick at rebelbase.com (slick)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:50:22 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Awesome!
Message-ID: <CAMmuSotFxmXHEAiJs9xqw0OsrSa7OFHc7rg0j+cAksNt0R=jKw@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2011-11/airdrop-irrigation-system-pulls-moisture-dry-desert-air-wins-dyson-award


From slick at rebelbase.com  Fri Nov 11 17:35:53 2011
From: slick at rebelbase.com (slick)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:35:53 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] FreeIMU
Message-ID: <CAMmuSos-YK49etBSCHeAY78TCGWD_m5RrtyYthT3Aett4UG4gQ@mail.gmail.com>

This looks like it could be good for R/C autopilot applications!

http://www.varesano.net/projects/hardware/FreeIMU#v0.4


From albill at openbuddha.com  Sat Nov 12 16:50:08 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 16:50:08 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] OpenSCAD class?
Message-ID: <4EBF1440.5080400@openbuddha.com>

Any anyone teach a class on OpenSCAD?

Al


From albill at openbuddha.com  Sat Nov 12 19:26:21 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 19:26:21 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Lamps
Message-ID: <4EBF38DD.3000409@openbuddha.com>

We need to make some lamps this cool for the space...

http://www.artifacturestudios.com/archives/247/

http://www.lightwavelaser.com/accent-lamps.htm


From biff at cliffle.com  Sun Nov 13 10:49:10 2011
From: biff at cliffle.com (Cliff L. Biffle)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:49:10 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] OpenSCAD class?
In-Reply-To: <4EBF1440.5080400@openbuddha.com>
References: <4EBF1440.5080400@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <CA+hY8Ppxg4iY6dZ0XjNdY91naNqJcVO_9JtuYyYHdaRhBQokvA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com>wrote:

> Any anyone teach a class on OpenSCAD?
>

I'm working on curriculum now.  Current plan is to do it in two parts.  The
first will focus on 2D for laser cutting, to help people get a feel for how
OpenSCAD works.  Second part will focus on 3D for printing.

-- 
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Sun Nov 13 10:52:56 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Billings)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:52:56 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] OpenSCAD class?
In-Reply-To: <CA+hY8Ppxg4iY6dZ0XjNdY91naNqJcVO_9JtuYyYHdaRhBQokvA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EBF1440.5080400@openbuddha.com>
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Message-ID: <F7C2185D-24DA-41B1-A71B-D62093A3F2B0@openbuddha.com>

Cool. That would be pretty sweet.

I've tried playing with it but I feel like a monkey with a hammer and a coconut.

On Nov 13, 2011, at 10:49 AM, Cliff L. Biffle wrote:

> On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> Any anyone teach a class on OpenSCAD?
> 
> I'm working on curriculum now.  Current plan is to do it in two parts.  The first will focus on 2D for laser cutting, to help people get a feel for how OpenSCAD works.  Second part will focus on 3D for printing.
>  
> -- 
> Cliff L. Biffle
> http://cliffle.com/

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From biff at cliffle.com  Sun Nov 13 10:53:38 2011
From: biff at cliffle.com (Cliff L. Biffle)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:53:38 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] FreeIMU
In-Reply-To: <CAMmuSos-YK49etBSCHeAY78TCGWD_m5RrtyYthT3Aett4UG4gQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMmuSos-YK49etBSCHeAY78TCGWD_m5RrtyYthT3Aett4UG4gQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+hY8Pp4XGmBmo6VtChZB2H7vdP3NHdD9a9BHiUrXbLWoUNkOQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:35 PM, slick <slick at rebelbase.com> wrote:

> This looks like it could be good for R/C autopilot applications!
>
> http://www.varesano.net/projects/hardware/FreeIMU#v0.4


There's also a newer miniaturized version of the DIY Drones Ardupilot
coming out soon.

-- 
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http://cliffle.com/
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From biff at cliffle.com  Sun Nov 13 10:58:31 2011
From: biff at cliffle.com (Cliff L. Biffle)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:58:31 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] OpenSCAD class?
In-Reply-To: <F7C2185D-24DA-41B1-A71B-D62093A3F2B0@openbuddha.com>
References: <4EBF1440.5080400@openbuddha.com>
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On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Al Billings <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:

> I've tried playing with it but I feel like a monkey with a hammer and a
> coconut.
>

Calling OpenSCAD a hammer is disrespectful to both hammers and OpenSCAD, I
think. :-)

Unless it's the coconut.  I could see that.

I'm trying to write the curriculum with non-programmers in mind, which is
kind of underscoring the areas where OpenSCAD is fiddly and broken.  Shame
that there's really no comparable tool in the open source space.

-- 
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From onno at gmx.net  Mon Nov 14 21:29:49 2011
From: onno at gmx.net (Onno Kortmann)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 21:29:49 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Screwdriver rack
Message-ID: <4EC1F8CD.9090201@gmx.net>

Hi Guys,

I broke the screwdriver rack at AMT yesterday, but didn't do anything 
wrong in particular. The thing just fell towards me because the two 
3D-printed mounts failed and broke. What is the model to print new ones? 
Is there a stronger material available?

Cheers,

Onno



From hephaestus at antipunk.net  Mon Nov 14 22:22:58 2011
From: hephaestus at antipunk.net (Hephaestus)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 22:22:58 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Screwdriver rack
In-Reply-To: <4EC1F8CD.9090201@gmx.net>
References: <4EC1F8CD.9090201@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <CABZdcAmaf3y5yOtuD+j8qwu28vL5aPiZThMNS=4Z4a-Xvx1cKA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm shocked it survived that long. You might find my original models
on the sd card floating around bob/alice, but if not, a couple of
L-brackets would do just as well (and it's faster to buy them than
print new ones =]

--
Heph

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Onno Kortmann <onno at gmx.net> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> I broke the screwdriver rack at AMT yesterday, but didn't do anything wrong
> in particular. The thing just fell towards me because the two 3D-printed
> mounts failed and broke. What is the model to print new ones? Is there a
> stronger material available?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Onno
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>


From romanian at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 22:31:54 2011
From: romanian at gmail.com (Stefan Hristu)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 22:31:54 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Screwdriver rack
In-Reply-To: <CABZdcAmaf3y5yOtuD+j8qwu28vL5aPiZThMNS=4Z4a-Xvx1cKA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EC1F8CD.9090201@gmx.net>
	<CABZdcAmaf3y5yOtuD+j8qwu28vL5aPiZThMNS=4Z4a-Xvx1cKA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPdpSwzqPjoy455LPH8ScLahr9=tHaFBX8G7eWh93htV1bK9Kg@mail.gmail.com>

I <3 makerbots...

Use metal L brackets if rebuilding, please :)
 On Nov 14, 2011 10:23 PM, "Hephaestus" <hephaestus at antipunk.net> wrote:

> I'm shocked it survived that long. You might find my original models
> on the sd card floating around bob/alice, but if not, a couple of
> L-brackets would do just as well (and it's faster to buy them than
> print new ones =]
>
> --
> Heph
>
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Onno Kortmann <onno at gmx.net> wrote:
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > I broke the screwdriver rack at AMT yesterday, but didn't do anything
> wrong
> > in particular. The thing just fell towards me because the two 3D-printed
> > mounts failed and broke. What is the model to print new ones? Is there a
> > stronger material available?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Onno
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Discuss mailing list
> > Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> >
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From robertcook at gmail.com  Tue Nov 15 11:17:07 2011
From: robertcook at gmail.com (Robert Cook)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 11:17:07 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Mail
Message-ID: <44CD61BA-694B-4B1B-9260-44E4131D3C86@gmail.com>

There was a letter from Farmer's insurance floating around near the mailboxes by the outside door of 6050.  I put it on the upstairs table in the AMT space. 


From romanian at gmail.com  Tue Nov 15 12:01:48 2011
From: romanian at gmail.com (Stefan Hristu)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:01:48 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] How-To: Center Stock in a 4-Jaw Lathe Chuck
Message-ID: <B6B7CF1A-E04A-4B12-B03E-8F664F138B18@gmail.com>

This is a good example of how to center a round piece in a four jaw mill chuck (the kind where each jaw clamps down independently, not self-centering like you would find on a drill or other three jaw chucks).

AMT's mini lathe has this exact type of chuck, so it is very applicable.


How-To: Center Stock in a 4-Jaw Lathe Chuck 
MAKE | NOVEMBER 15, 2011
http://pulse.me/s/3ba35 


Quick, handy video tutorial from Jeremy Bloyd-Peshkin of tiny workshop, demonstrating a fast method of centering a piece of round stock in a 4-jaw chu... Read more

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From atmanistan at gmail.com  Tue Nov 15 13:20:53 2011
From: atmanistan at gmail.com (Sam Putman)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 13:20:53 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] How-To: Center Stock in a 4-Jaw Lathe Chuck
In-Reply-To: <B6B7CF1A-E04A-4B12-B03E-8F664F138B18@gmail.com>
References: <B6B7CF1A-E04A-4B12-B03E-8F664F138B18@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANFD0BHorkjatrcQm8FB8WyGVXWg=r5-XCLXNRhJ9pG+HenEzw@mail.gmail.com>

Heh, this is exactly what I was trying to do this morning. That would have
been a helpful thing.

BTW, I know the lathe being directly behind the laser computer is
moderately insane. It's the only place it can be plugged in at the moment;
I'm trying to find an extension cord that isn't $$ so it can be plugged in
to the master switch under the computer. A 220V motor was a mistake. <shrug>

Feel free to move anything if it's inconveniently placed.

cheers,
-Sam.

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Stefan Hristu <romanian at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is a good example of how to center a round piece in a four jaw mill
> chuck (the kind where each jaw clamps down independently, not
> self-centering like you would find on a drill or other three jaw chucks).
>
> AMT's mini lathe has this exact type of chuck, so it is very applicable.
>
>
> *How-To: Center Stock in a 4-Jaw Lathe Chuck*
> MAKE | NOVEMBER 15, 2011
> http://pulse.me/s/3ba35
>
>
> Quick, handy video tutorial from Jeremy Bloyd-Peshkin of tiny workshop,
> demonstrating a fast method of centering a piece of round stock in a 4-jaw
> chu... Read more <http://pulse.me/s/3ba35>
>
> --
> Want to read news on the go? Get *Pulse <http://pulsene.ws?src=email_ipad>
> *, an awesome news reader for iPad, iPhone and Android. Its Free!
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From slick at rebelbase.com  Wed Nov 16 14:05:25 2011
From: slick at rebelbase.com (slick)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:05:25 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] OpenPilot devs
Message-ID: <CAMmuSotwcZC7CHLyrwZkW2wJGCO1hY8OfC7xnV-rWn0KMTSfHw@mail.gmail.com>

I've been looking at the openpilot copter control board as the
controller for my hexcopter project.  I think I've changed my mind.  I
can't decide if this is reasonable or not, so I'd like your input if
you care to give it.  After following the project for about a month I
don't think I care too much for the attitude of the core developers,
but I may be mis-reading them.  To me it seems like they claim to be
"open" and a "community" project, yet if some one else makes and sells
their design, they cry foul and act as if they are being taken
advantage of some how.   They've cut off one of their 3 US
distributors claiming it was too much of a hassle for them to bother
shipping to 3 different companies and too much of a hassle for
customers to choose which distributor to buy from.  (All sold for the
exact same price.)  Additionally they make conflicting claims about
whether or not the project is "commercial."  On their forums the imply
that anyone else who wants to make the boards are "money grubbers"
(their words.)  Am I over reacting?  To me it seems like the core
developers want to own "their" community.  This doesn't seem
consistent with the values of open hardware and open source as I've
come to understand them.  I don't think I would be feeling this way if
they weren't doning the mantle of "open" so prominently.

-Aaron


From albill at openbuddha.com  Wed Nov 16 14:07:21 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:07:21 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] OpenPilot devs
In-Reply-To: <CAMmuSotwcZC7CHLyrwZkW2wJGCO1hY8OfC7xnV-rWn0KMTSfHw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMmuSotwcZC7CHLyrwZkW2wJGCO1hY8OfC7xnV-rWn0KMTSfHw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EC43419.1080801@openbuddha.com>

On 11/16/11 2:05 PM, slick wrote:
> I've been looking at the openpilot copter control board as the
> controller for my hexcopter project.  I think I've changed my mind.  I
> can't decide if this is reasonable or not, so I'd like your input if
> you care to give it.  After following the project for about a month I
> don't think I care too much for the attitude of the core developers,
> but I may be mis-reading them.  To me it seems like they claim to be
> "open" and a "community" project, yet if some one else makes and sells
> their design, they cry foul and act as if they are being taken
> advantage of some how.   They've cut off one of their 3 US
> distributors claiming it was too much of a hassle for them to bother
> shipping to 3 different companies and too much of a hassle for
> customers to choose which distributor to buy from.  (All sold for the
> exact same price.)  Additionally they make conflicting claims about
> whether or not the project is "commercial."  On their forums the imply
> that anyone else who wants to make the boards are "money grubbers"
> (their words.)  Am I over reacting?  To me it seems like the core
> developers want to own "their" community.  This doesn't seem
> consistent with the values of open hardware and open source as I've
> come to understand them.  I don't think I would be feeling this way if
> they weren't doning the mantle of "open" so prominently.
>
I'd rather go with the DIYDrones community who, when Chinese started 
undercutting them, said "It's open source. That's fine!"

Al



From balrogg at googlemail.com  Wed Nov 16 14:44:52 2011
From: balrogg at googlemail.com (Andrew Zaborowski)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 23:44:52 +0100
Subject: [AMTD] OpenPilot devs
In-Reply-To: <4EC43419.1080801@openbuddha.com>
References: <CAMmuSotwcZC7CHLyrwZkW2wJGCO1hY8OfC7xnV-rWn0KMTSfHw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EC43419.1080801@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <CAOq732LhtTvmTn17D3L-t_vWV9L0tA+s60bSLwuD0BnF5K2JJQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 16 November 2011 23:07, Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> On 11/16/11 2:05 PM, slick wrote:
>>
>> I've been looking at the openpilot copter control board as the
>> controller for my hexcopter project. ?I think I've changed my mind. ?I
>> can't decide if this is reasonable or not, so I'd like your input if
>> you care to give it. ?After following the project for about a month I
>> don't think I care too much for the attitude of the core developers,
>> but I may be mis-reading them. ?To me it seems like they claim to be
>> "open" and a "community" project, yet if some one else makes and sells
>> their design, they cry foul and act as if they are being taken
>> advantage of some how. ? They've cut off one of their 3 US
>> distributors claiming it was too much of a hassle for them to bother
>> shipping to 3 different companies and too much of a hassle for
>> customers to choose which distributor to buy from. ?(All sold for the
>> exact same price.) ?Additionally they make conflicting claims about
>> whether or not the project is "commercial." ?On their forums the imply
>> that anyone else who wants to make the boards are "money grubbers"
>> (their words.) ?Am I over reacting? ?To me it seems like the core
>> developers want to own "their" community. ?This doesn't seem
>> consistent with the values of open hardware and open source as I've
>> come to understand them. ?I don't think I would be feeling this way if
>> they weren't doning the mantle of "open" so prominently.
>>
> I'd rather go with the DIYDrones community who, when Chinese started
> undercutting them, said "It's open source. That's fine!"

I had a different feeling from reading their forums, to me it looked
like whoever found out about the Chinese clones first (might not be
the developers though) was outraged that this was happening and also
was feeling like someone was taking advantage of them... maybe they
changed their thinking since, which I'd applaud.

BTW I had been building a quadcopter and had relatively good results
with a plain arduino board + a 2-axis gyro + a mag/accelerometer chip.
 Much cheaper than ArduPilot or OpenPilot but in hindsight it took a
lot more coding time.

Cheers


From albill at openbuddha.com  Wed Nov 16 14:58:14 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:58:14 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] OpenPilot devs
In-Reply-To: <CAOq732LhtTvmTn17D3L-t_vWV9L0tA+s60bSLwuD0BnF5K2JJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMmuSotwcZC7CHLyrwZkW2wJGCO1hY8OfC7xnV-rWn0KMTSfHw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EC43419.1080801@openbuddha.com>
	<CAOq732LhtTvmTn17D3L-t_vWV9L0tA+s60bSLwuD0BnF5K2JJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EC44006.2040900@openbuddha.com>

On 11/16/11 2:44 PM, Andrew Zaborowski wrote:
> I had a different feeling from reading their forums, to me it looked
> like whoever found out about the Chinese clones first (might not be
> the developers though) was outraged that this was happening and also
> was feeling like someone was taking advantage of them... maybe they
> changed their thinking since, which I'd applaud.
http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2011/05/19/cloned-open-source-hardware-diy-drones/


From albill at openbuddha.com  Wed Nov 16 15:03:00 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:03:00 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Fwd: Make: Live's Hackerspace Roadshow
In-Reply-To: <CAC3rdDaebM37_wgJ_L2W1+RiKr=YwTNYOLDmYhkkt_20z13YWg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC3rdDaebM37_wgJ_L2W1+RiKr=YwTNYOLDmYhkkt_20z13YWg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EC44124.1010904@openbuddha.com>

Do we have it in ourselves to do a video in this timeline? If so, what 
projects could we show?

Al

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Make: Live's Hackerspace Roadshow
Date: 	Wed, 16 Nov 2011 18:00:37 -0500
From: 	Becky Stern <becky at oreilly.com>
To: 	albill at openbuddha.com
CC: 	Matt Richardson <mattr at makezine.com>



Hi Al,

We produce Make: Live, MAKE Magazine?s streaming show and tell. We?re
currently planning our next episode, our Hackerspace Roadshow, where
we check in with five hackerspaces all over the world to see their
space and find out what projects they?re working on. The last time we
did an episode like this it was a huge success, and really fun to be a
part of to boot:

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2011/06/make-live-60811-hackerspace-roadshow-video.html

Upon recommendation from our colleague John Baichtal, we?d love to
invite Ace Monster Toys to participate this upcoming roadshow. Instead
of calling in live, we?d like spaces on this episode to pre-tape a
brief video at the space with some of the members. We?ll provide more
info but are basically looking to see your space and what awesome
projects your members are working on. Nothing super fancy, use a Flip
camera if that?s what you?ve got, and we?ll take care of all the
editing.

Ace Monster Toys is our first choice for this episode, so please let
us know ASAP if you?re interested and available and we can work out
all the details. If you?re not confident you can participate under our
tight footage deadline of Saturday 11/26 (show is 11/30), please let
us know promptly so we can humbly seek an alternative space to
participate.

Thanks!

Cheers,

Becky Stern
Senior Video Producer
Makezine.com

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From ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com  Wed Nov 16 15:11:53 2011
From: ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com (Christopher Cook)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:11:53 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Fwd: Make: Live's Hackerspace Roadshow
In-Reply-To: <CAMDVYoZKQoxLQ8ha_-hTnpp_sz=PN-R5_NfjGfqaEN+dfOXfxQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC3rdDaebM37_wgJ_L2W1+RiKr=YwTNYOLDmYhkkt_20z13YWg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EC44124.1010904@openbuddha.com>
	<CAMDVYoZKQoxLQ8ha_-hTnpp_sz=PN-R5_NfjGfqaEN+dfOXfxQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMDVYobNFtNZLCHVjAUO-maPtuR=i60gH9yR7Pg-D_r--r3+Uw@mail.gmail.com>

> Ahh we have to, don't we? I and my rather telegenic Creeperbot will be
away from the Space until Monday but we could do a segment some evening
before T-day.



> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com>wrote:
>
>>  Do we have it in ourselves to do a video in this timeline? If so, what
>> projects could we show?
>>
>> Al
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------  Subject: Make: Live's Hackerspace
>> Roadshow  Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 18:00:37 -0500  From: Becky Stern
>> <becky at oreilly.com> <becky at oreilly.com>  To: albill at openbuddha.com  CC: Matt
>> Richardson <mattr at makezine.com> <mattr at makezine.com>
>>
>> Hi Al,
>>
>> We produce Make: Live, MAKE Magazine?s streaming show and tell. We?re
>> currently planning our next episode, our Hackerspace Roadshow, where
>> we check in with five hackerspaces all over the world to see their
>> space and find out what projects they?re working on. The last time we
>> did an episode like this it was a huge success, and really fun to be a
>> part of to boot:
>> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2011/06/make-live-60811-hackerspace-roadshow-video.html
>>
>> Upon recommendation from our colleague John Baichtal, we?d love to
>> invite Ace Monster Toys to participate this upcoming roadshow. Instead
>> of calling in live, we?d like spaces on this episode to pre-tape a
>> brief video at the space with some of the members. We?ll provide more
>> info but are basically looking to see your space and what awesome
>> projects your members are working on. Nothing super fancy, use a Flip
>> camera if that?s what you?ve got, and we?ll take care of all the
>> editing.
>>
>> Ace Monster Toys is our first choice for this episode, so please let
>> us know ASAP if you?re interested and available and we can work out
>> all the details. If you?re not confident you can participate under our
>> tight footage deadline of Saturday 11/26 (show is 11/30), please let
>> us know promptly so we can humbly seek an alternative space to
>> participate.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Becky Stern
>> Senior Video Producer
>> Makezine.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>
>>
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From balrogg at googlemail.com  Wed Nov 16 15:17:16 2011
From: balrogg at googlemail.com (Andrew Zaborowski)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 00:17:16 +0100
Subject: [AMTD] OpenPilot devs
In-Reply-To: <4EC44006.2040900@openbuddha.com>
References: <CAMmuSotwcZC7CHLyrwZkW2wJGCO1hY8OfC7xnV-rWn0KMTSfHw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EC43419.1080801@openbuddha.com>
	<CAOq732LhtTvmTn17D3L-t_vWV9L0tA+s60bSLwuD0BnF5K2JJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EC44006.2040900@openbuddha.com>
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On 16 November 2011 23:58, Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> On 11/16/11 2:44 PM, Andrew Zaborowski wrote:
>>
>> I had a different feeling from reading their forums, to me it looked
>> like whoever found out about the Chinese clones first (might not be
>> the developers though) was outraged that this was happening and also
>> was feeling like someone was taking advantage of them... maybe they
>> changed their thinking since, which I'd applaud.
>
> http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2011/05/19/cloned-open-source-hardware-diy-drones/

Yeah, I reread the thread and there are all sorts of opinions, some of
them very good points.
http://www.diydrones.com/profiles/blog/show?id=705844%3ABlogPost%3A377816&page=1#comments

Cheers


From drorex at gmail.com  Wed Nov 16 15:17:35 2011
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:17:35 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] OpenPilot devs
In-Reply-To: <CAMmuSotwcZC7CHLyrwZkW2wJGCO1hY8OfC7xnV-rWn0KMTSfHw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMmuSotwcZC7CHLyrwZkW2wJGCO1hY8OfC7xnV-rWn0KMTSfHw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACAQXeKZTyH5x=0A8HcLVehRnzNoCeLvK=WMU=8rAnht3+r8Hw@mail.gmail.com>

The license on their board files is actually the creative commons
'non-commercial' license, so technically the clones are violating that
license. But the attitude of some of the admin on the project is pretty
childish, I read a few posts by one of them and it's enough to put me off
it as well, assuming there are other reasonable alternatives. Now if you
told me this board was far and away the best free (as in beer, not as in
speech) one out there, I'd reconsider, but it doesn't seem like that is the
case.

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 2:05 PM, slick <slick at rebelbase.com> wrote:

> I've been looking at the openpilot copter control board as the
> controller for my hexcopter project.  I think I've changed my mind.  I
> can't decide if this is reasonable or not, so I'd like your input if
> you care to give it.  After following the project for about a month I
> don't think I care too much for the attitude of the core developers,
> but I may be mis-reading them.  To me it seems like they claim to be
> "open" and a "community" project, yet if some one else makes and sells
> their design, they cry foul and act as if they are being taken
> advantage of some how.   They've cut off one of their 3 US
> distributors claiming it was too much of a hassle for them to bother
> shipping to 3 different companies and too much of a hassle for
> customers to choose which distributor to buy from.  (All sold for the
> exact same price.)  Additionally they make conflicting claims about
> whether or not the project is "commercial."  On their forums the imply
> that anyone else who wants to make the boards are "money grubbers"
> (their words.)  Am I over reacting?  To me it seems like the core
> developers want to own "their" community.  This doesn't seem
> consistent with the values of open hardware and open source as I've
> come to understand them.  I don't think I would be feeling this way if
> they weren't doning the mantle of "open" so prominently.
>
> -Aaron
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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From atom_bomb at rocketmail.com  Wed Nov 16 15:21:16 2011
From: atom_bomb at rocketmail.com (Joe King)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:21:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AMTD] Fwd: Make: Live's Hackerspace Roadshow
In-Reply-To: <CAMDVYobNFtNZLCHVjAUO-maPtuR=i60gH9yR7Pg-D_r--r3+Uw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1321485676.88815.YahooMailClassic@web82903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

i can at least hold a camera in front of ChrisCook & his creeper.

maybe we can make some montage clips of makerbots, mills and lasers and people making stuff along with the dinosaurs and crude messages scrolling by the led sign if someone can be around to help me make some of those tools go and star in those clips.

-atom

--- On Wed, 11/16/11, Christopher Cook <ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com> wrote:

From: Christopher Cook <ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com>
Subject: Re: [AMTD] Fwd: Make: Live's Hackerspace Roadshow
To: "Al Jigen Billings" <albill at openbuddha.com>
Cc: discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2011, 3:11 PM


Ahh we have to, don't we? I and my rather telegenic Creeperbot will be away from the Space until Monday but we could do a segment some evening before T-day.




On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:



  

    
  
  
    Do we have it in ourselves to do a video in this timeline? If so,
    what projects could we show?

    

    Al

    

    -------- Original Message --------
    
      
        
          Subject: 
          Make: Live's Hackerspace Roadshow
        
        
          Date: 
          Wed, 16 Nov 2011 18:00:37 -0500
        
        
          From: 
          Becky Stern <becky at oreilly.com>
        
        
          To: 
          albill at openbuddha.com
        
        
          CC: 
          Matt Richardson <mattr at makezine.com>
        
      
    
    

    

    Hi Al,

We produce Make: Live, MAKE Magazine?s streaming show and tell. We?re
currently planning our next episode, our Hackerspace Roadshow, where
we check in with five hackerspaces all over the world to see their
space and find out what projects they?re working on. The last time we
did an episode like this it was a huge success, and really fun to be a
part of to boot:

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2011/06/make-live-60811-hackerspace-roadshow-video.html

Upon recommendation from our colleague John Baichtal, we?d love to
invite Ace Monster Toys to participate this upcoming roadshow. Instead
of calling in live, we?d like spaces on this episode to pre-tape a
brief video at the space with some of the members. We?ll provide more
info but are basically looking to see your space and what awesome
projects your members are working on. Nothing super fancy, use a Flip
camera if that?s what you?ve got, and we?ll take care of all the
editing.

Ace Monster Toys is our first choice for this episode, so please let
us know ASAP if you?re interested and available and we can work out
all the details. If you?re not confident you can participate under our
tight footage deadline of Saturday 11/26 (show is 11/30), please let
us know promptly so we can humbly seek an alternative space to
participate.

Thanks!

Cheers,

Becky Stern
Senior Video Producer
Makezine.com

  


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From albill at openbuddha.com  Wed Nov 16 15:50:51 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:50:51 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Fwd: Make: Live's Hackerspace Roadshow
In-Reply-To: <1321485676.88815.YahooMailClassic@web82903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1321485676.88815.YahooMailClassic@web82903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4EC44C5B.8080100@openbuddha.com>

Anyone else with a project or something to show?

Is this a commitment that we can do this? I don't want to say "Yes" and 
then have us look like idiots. :-)

Who has a decent camera? Anyone here know how to edit video who can 
commit to doing it?

Al

On 11/16/11 3:21 PM, Joe King wrote:
> i can at least hold a camera in front of ChrisCook & his creeper.
>
> maybe we can make some montage clips of makerbots, mills and lasers 
> and people making stuff along with the dinosaurs and crude messages 
> scrolling by the led sign if someone can be around to help me make 
> some of those tools go and star in those clips.
>
> -atom
>
> --- On *Wed, 11/16/11, Christopher Cook 
> /<ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: Christopher Cook <ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com>
>     Subject: Re: [AMTD] Fwd: Make: Live's Hackerspace Roadshow
>     To: "Al Jigen Billings" <albill at openbuddha.com>
>     Cc: discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>     Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2011, 3:11 PM
>
>
>     Ahh we have to, don't we? I and my rather telegenic Creeperbot
>     will be away from the Space until Monday but we could do a segment
>     some evening before T-day.
>
>
>
>         On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Al Jigen Billings
>         <albill at openbuddha.com </mc/compose?to=albill at openbuddha.com>>
>         wrote:
>
>             Do we have it in ourselves to do a video in this timeline?
>             If so, what projects could we show?
>
>             Al
>
>             -------- Original Message --------
>             Subject: 	Make: Live's Hackerspace Roadshow
>             Date: 	Wed, 16 Nov 2011 18:00:37 -0500
>             From: 	Becky Stern <becky at oreilly.com>
>             </mc/compose?to=becky at oreilly.com>
>             To: 	albill at openbuddha.com
>             </mc/compose?to=albill at openbuddha.com>
>             CC: 	Matt Richardson <mattr at makezine.com>
>             </mc/compose?to=mattr at makezine.com>
>
>
>
>             Hi Al,
>
>             We produce Make: Live, MAKE Magazine?s streaming show and tell. We?re
>             currently planning our next episode, our Hackerspace Roadshow, where
>             we check in with five hackerspaces all over the world to see their
>             space and find out what projects they?re working on. The last time we
>             did an episode like this it was a huge success, and really fun to be a
>             part of to boot:
>
>             http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2011/06/make-live-60811-hackerspace-roadshow-video.html
>
>             Upon recommendation from our colleague John Baichtal, we?d love to
>             invite Ace Monster Toys to participate this upcoming roadshow. Instead
>             of calling in live, we?d like spaces on this episode to pre-tape a
>             brief video at the space with some of the members. We?ll provide more
>             info but are basically looking to see your space and what awesome
>             projects your members are working on. Nothing super fancy, use a Flip
>             camera if that?s what you?ve got, and we?ll take care of all the
>             editing.
>
>             Ace Monster Toys is our first choice for this episode, so please let
>             us know ASAP if you?re interested and available and we can work out
>             all the details. If you?re not confident you can participate under our
>             tight footage deadline of Saturday 11/26 (show is 11/30), please let
>             us know promptly so we can humbly seek an alternative space to
>             participate.
>
>             Thanks!
>
>             Cheers,
>
>             Becky Stern
>             Senior Video Producer
>             Makezine.com
>
>
>             _______________________________________________
>             Discuss mailing list
>             Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>             </mc/compose?to=Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org>
>             http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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From drorex at gmail.com  Wed Nov 16 15:54:14 2011
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:54:14 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Fwd: Make: Live's Hackerspace Roadshow
In-Reply-To: <4EC44C5B.8080100@openbuddha.com>
References: <1321485676.88815.YahooMailClassic@web82903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4EC44C5B.8080100@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <CACAQXeJ0qmU-K+PSqj51VOFd0oKO9M=06KX00jwMEpysZAiutQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have a little project I can show (assuming I remember where I put it). I
have a decent camera as well. And no need to edit the video, in their email
they said they would edit the footage (which makes sense, it's their show,
will probably want everything to be edited in the same style / length)

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com>wrote:

>  Anyone else with a project or something to show?
>
> Is this a commitment that we can do this? I don't want to say "Yes" and
> then have us look like idiots. :-)
>
> Who has a decent camera? Anyone here know how to edit video who can commit
> to doing it?
>
> Al
>
>
> On 11/16/11 3:21 PM, Joe King wrote:
>
>   i can at least hold a camera in front of ChrisCook & his creeper.
>
> maybe we can make some montage clips of makerbots, mills and lasers and
> people making stuff along with the dinosaurs and crude messages scrolling
> by the led sign if someone can be around to help me make some of those
> tools go and star in those clips.
>
> -atom
>
> --- On *Wed, 11/16/11, Christopher Cook <ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com><ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com>
> * wrote:
>
>
> From: Christopher Cook <ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com><ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com>
> Subject: Re: [AMTD] Fwd: Make: Live's Hackerspace Roadshow
> To: "Al Jigen Billings" <albill at openbuddha.com> <albill at openbuddha.com>
> Cc: discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2011, 3:11 PM
>
>
> Ahh we have to, don't we? I and my rather telegenic Creeperbot will be
> away from the Space until Monday but we could do a segment some evening
> before T-day.
>
>
>
>  On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com<http://mc/compose?to=albill at openbuddha.com>
> > wrote:
>
>   Do we have it in ourselves to do a video in this timeline? If so, what
> projects could we show?
>
> Al
>
> -------- Original Message --------  Subject: Make: Live's Hackerspace
> Roadshow  Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 18:00:37 -0500  From: Becky Stern
> <becky at oreilly.com> <http://mc/compose?to=becky at oreilly.com>  To:
> albill at openbuddha.com <http://mc/compose?to=albill at openbuddha.com>  CC: Matt
> Richardson <mattr at makezine.com> <http://mc/compose?to=mattr at makezine.com>
>
> Hi Al,
>
> We produce Make: Live, MAKE Magazine?s streaming show and tell. We?re
> currently planning our next episode, our Hackerspace Roadshow, where
> we check in with five hackerspaces all over the world to see their
> space and find out what projects they?re working on. The last time we
> did an episode like this it was a huge success, and really fun to be a
> part of to boot:
> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2011/06/make-live-60811-hackerspace-roadshow-video.html
>
> Upon recommendation from our colleague John Baichtal, we?d love to
> invite Ace Monster Toys to participate this upcoming roadshow. Instead
> of calling in live, we?d like spaces on this episode to pre-tape a
> brief video at the space with some of the members. We?ll provide more
> info but are basically looking to see your space and what awesome
> projects your members are working on. Nothing super fancy, use a Flip
> camera if that?s what you?ve got, and we?ll take care of all the
> editing.
>
> Ace Monster Toys is our first choice for this episode, so please let
> us know ASAP if you?re interested and available and we can work out
> all the details. If you?re not confident you can participate under our
> tight footage deadline of Saturday 11/26 (show is 11/30), please let
> us know promptly so we can humbly seek an alternative space to
> participate.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Becky Stern
> Senior Video Producer
> Makezine.com
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org<http://mc/compose?to=Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org>
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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From tewing at gmail.com  Wed Nov 16 15:56:08 2011
From: tewing at gmail.com (Terry Ewing)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:56:08 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Fwd: Make: Live's Hackerspace Roadshow
In-Reply-To: <4EC44C5B.8080100@openbuddha.com>
References: <1321485676.88815.YahooMailClassic@web82903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4EC44C5B.8080100@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <480499AC-F36E-4C1C-B582-687F38B9B70F@gmail.com>

I love it when that happens.

> 
> Is this a commitment that we can do this? I don't want to say "Yes" and then have us look like idiots. :-)



From atom_bomb at rocketmail.com  Wed Nov 16 15:57:09 2011
From: atom_bomb at rocketmail.com (Joe King)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:57:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AMTD] Fwd: Make: Live's Hackerspace Roadshow
In-Reply-To: <4EC44C5B.8080100@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <1321487829.67441.YahooMailClassic@web82904.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

ChrisCook & I are meeting on Wednesday the 23rd to make creeper movies and whatever else we get to.

i have one of those kodak ziwhatever pocket video cameras that i think will be good enough but i'll attempt to get one of my buddies who's a pro film/video guy to help out.

the mail says that they'll take care of all of the editing so i propose that we don't bother doing any editing. 

we may need some extra lighting.. a halogen work light or two is probably fine and i'm not sure if i have one anymore. if someone has one to loan to me for the 23rd that'd be swell.

-atom


--- On Wed, 11/16/11, Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:

From: Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com>
Subject: Re: [AMTD] Fwd: Make: Live's Hackerspace Roadshow
To: "Joe King" <atom_bomb at rocketmail.com>
Cc: "Christopher Cook" <ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com>, discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2011, 3:50 PM


  
    
  
  
    Anyone else with a project or something to show?

    

    Is this a commitment that we can do this? I don't want to say "Yes"
    and then have us look like idiots. :-)

    

    Who has a decent camera? Anyone here know how to edit video who can
    commit to doing it?

    

    Al

    

    On 11/16/11 3:21 PM, Joe King wrote:
    
      
        
          
            i can at least hold
              a camera in front of ChrisCook & his creeper.

              

              maybe we can make some montage clips of makerbots, mills
              and lasers and people making stuff along with the
              dinosaurs and crude messages scrolling by the led sign if
              someone can be around to help me make some of those tools
              go and star in those clips.

              

              -atom

              

              --- On Wed, 11/16/11, Christopher Cook <ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com>
              wrote:

              

                From: Christopher Cook
                <ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com>

                Subject: Re: [AMTD] Fwd: Make: Live's Hackerspace
                Roadshow

                To: "Al Jigen Billings" <albill at openbuddha.com>

                Cc: discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org

                Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2011, 3:11 PM

                

                
                  

                    Ahh we have to, don't we? I and my rather telegenic
                    Creeperbot will be away from the Space until Monday
                    but we could do a segment some evening before T-day.

                    

                    

                    
                      

                        
                          
                            On Wed, Nov 16,
                              2011 at 3:03 PM, Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com>
                              wrote:

                            
                          
                          
                            
                              
                                 Do we have it in ourselves to do a
                                  video in this timeline? If so, what
                                  projects could we show?

                                  

                                  Al

                                  

                                  -------- Original Message --------
                                  
                                    
                                      
                                        Subject: 
                                        Make: Live's Hackerspace
                                          Roadshow
                                      
                                      
                                        Date: 
                                        Wed, 16 Nov 2011 18:00:37
                                          -0500
                                      
                                      
                                        From: 
                                        Becky Stern <becky at oreilly.com>
                                      
                                      
                                        To: 
                                        albill at openbuddha.com
                                      
                                      
                                        CC: 
                                        Matt Richardson <mattr at makezine.com>
                                      
                                    
                                  
                                  

                                  

                                  Hi Al,

We produce Make: Live, MAKE Magazine?s streaming show and tell. We?re
currently planning our next episode, our Hackerspace Roadshow, where
we check in with five hackerspaces all over the world to see their
space and find out what projects they?re working on. The last time we
did an episode like this it was a huge success, and really fun to be a
part of to boot:

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2011/06/make-live-60811-hackerspace-roadshow-video.html

Upon recommendation from our colleague John Baichtal, we?d love to
invite Ace Monster Toys to participate this upcoming roadshow. Instead
of calling in live, we?d like spaces on this episode to pre-tape a
brief video at the space with some of the members. We?ll provide more
info but are basically looking to see your space and what awesome
projects your members are working on. Nothing super fancy, use a Flip
camera if that?s what you?ve got, and we?ll take care of all the
editing.

Ace Monster Toys is our first choice for this episode, so please let
us know ASAP if you?re interested and available and we can work out
all the details. If you?re not confident you can participate under our
tight footage deadline of Saturday 11/26 (show is 11/30), please let
us know promptly so we can humbly seek an alternative space to
participate.

Thanks!

Cheers,

Becky Stern
Senior Video Producer
Makezine.com

                                
                                

                              
                            
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Wed Nov 16 16:00:04 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 16:00:04 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Fwd: Make: Live's Hackerspace Roadshow
In-Reply-To: <1321487829.67441.YahooMailClassic@web82904.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1321487829.67441.YahooMailClassic@web82904.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4EC44E84.4040604@openbuddha.com>

All right. Between this and David's e-mail, I feel some confidence here. 
I'll e-mail them and tell them that we'll do it.

I can try to come by on Wednesday but my 15 year old daughter is coming 
to town Tuesday night so timing for me is going to be rough.

Al

On 11/16/11 3:57 PM, Joe King wrote:
> ChrisCook & I are meeting on Wednesday the 23rd to make creeper movies 
> and whatever else we get to.
>
> i have one of those kodak ziwhatever pocket video cameras that i think 
> will be good enough but i'll attempt to get one of my buddies who's a 
> pro film/video guy to help out.
>
> the mail says that they'll take care of all of the editing so i 
> propose that we don't bother doing any editing.
>
> we may need some extra lighting.. a halogen work light or two is 
> probably fine and i'm not sure if i have one anymore. if someone has 
> one to loan to me for the 23rd that'd be swell.
>
> -atom
>
>
> --- On *Wed, 11/16/11, Al Jigen Billings /<albill at openbuddha.com>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com>
>     Subject: Re: [AMTD] Fwd: Make: Live's Hackerspace Roadshow
>     To: "Joe King" <atom_bomb at rocketmail.com>
>     Cc: "Christopher Cook" <ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com>,
>     discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>     Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2011, 3:50 PM
>
>     Anyone else with a project or something to show?
>
>     Is this a commitment that we can do this? I don't want to say
>     "Yes" and then have us look like idiots. :-)
>
>     Who has a decent camera? Anyone here know how to edit video who
>     can commit to doing it?
>
>     Al
>
>     On 11/16/11 3:21 PM, Joe King wrote:
>>     i can at least hold a camera in front of ChrisCook & his creeper.
>>
>>     maybe we can make some montage clips of makerbots, mills and
>>     lasers and people making stuff along with the dinosaurs and crude
>>     messages scrolling by the led sign if someone can be around to
>>     help me make some of those tools go and star in those clips.
>>
>>     -atom
>>
>>     --- On *Wed, 11/16/11, Christopher Cook
>>     /<ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com>
>>     </mc/compose?to=ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com>/* wrote:
>>
>>
>>         From: Christopher Cook <ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com>
>>         </mc/compose?to=ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com>
>>         Subject: Re: [AMTD] Fwd: Make: Live's Hackerspace Roadshow
>>         To: "Al Jigen Billings" <albill at openbuddha.com>
>>         </mc/compose?to=albill at openbuddha.com>
>>         Cc: discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>         </mc/compose?to=discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org>
>>         Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2011, 3:11 PM
>>
>>
>>         Ahh we have to, don't we? I and my rather telegenic
>>         Creeperbot will be away from the Space until Monday but we
>>         could do a segment some evening before T-day.
>>
>>
>>
>>             On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Al Jigen Billings
>>             <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
>>
>>                 Do we have it in ourselves to do a video in this
>>                 timeline? If so, what projects could we show?
>>
>>                 Al
>>
>>                 -------- Original Message --------
>>                 Subject: 	Make: Live's Hackerspace Roadshow
>>                 Date: 	Wed, 16 Nov 2011 18:00:37 -0500
>>                 From: 	Becky Stern <becky at oreilly.com>
>>                 To: 	albill at openbuddha.com
>>                 CC: 	Matt Richardson <mattr at makezine.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>                 Hi Al,
>>
>>                 We produce Make: Live, MAKE Magazine?s streaming show and tell. We?re
>>                 currently planning our next episode, our Hackerspace Roadshow, where
>>                 we check in with five hackerspaces all over the world to see their
>>                 space and find out what projects they?re working on. The last time we
>>                 did an episode like this it was a huge success, and really fun to be a
>>                 part of to boot:
>>
>>                 http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2011/06/make-live-60811-hackerspace-roadshow-video.html
>>
>>                 Upon recommendation from our colleague John Baichtal, we?d love to
>>                 invite Ace Monster Toys to participate this upcoming roadshow. Instead
>>                 of calling in live, we?d like spaces on this episode to pre-tape a
>>                 brief video at the space with some of the members. We?ll provide more
>>                 info but are basically looking to see your space and what awesome
>>                 projects your members are working on. Nothing super fancy, use a Flip
>>                 camera if that?s what you?ve got, and we?ll take care of all the
>>                 editing.
>>
>>                 Ace Monster Toys is our first choice for this episode, so please let
>>                 us know ASAP if you?re interested and available and we can work out
>>                 all the details. If you?re not confident you can participate under our
>>                 tight footage deadline of Saturday 11/26 (show is 11/30), please let
>>                 us know promptly so we can humbly seek an alternative space to
>>                 participate.
>>
>>                 Thanks!
>>
>>                 Cheers,
>>
>>                 Becky Stern
>>                 Senior Video Producer
>>                 Makezine.com
>>
>>
>>                 _______________________________________________
>>                 Discuss mailing list
>>                 Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>                 http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com  Wed Nov 16 16:05:54 2011
From: ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com (Christopher Cook)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 16:05:54 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Fwd: Make: Live's Hackerspace Roadshow
In-Reply-To: <4EC44E84.4040604@openbuddha.com>
References: <1321487829.67441.YahooMailClassic@web82904.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4EC44E84.4040604@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <CAMDVYoaBYz94wQEZTxS90HydLqwgcqQk_WxB54jQN9bMuCnaPA@mail.gmail.com>

Can we do it MTV Cribs style?  "Yo yo yo check it; our laser cutter has a
door for oversized materials..... The tolerances on its cuts are TIGHT!"


On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com>wrote:

>  All right. Between this and David's e-mail, I feel some confidence here.
> I'll e-mail them and tell them that we'll do it.
>
> I can try to come by on Wednesday but my 15 year old daughter is coming to
> town Tuesday night so timing for me is going to be rough.
>
> Al
>
>
> On 11/16/11 3:57 PM, Joe King wrote:
>
>   ChrisCook & I are meeting on Wednesday the 23rd to make creeper movies
> and whatever else we get to.
>
> i have one of those kodak ziwhatever pocket video cameras that i think
> will be good enough but i'll attempt to get one of my buddies who's a pro
> film/video guy to help out.
>
> the mail says that they'll take care of all of the editing so i propose
> that we don't bother doing any editing.
>
> we may need some extra lighting.. a halogen work light or two is probably
> fine and i'm not sure if i have one anymore. if someone has one to loan to
> me for the 23rd that'd be swell.
>
> -atom
>
>
> --- On *Wed, 11/16/11, Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com><albill at openbuddha.com>
> * wrote:
>
>
> From: Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com> <albill at openbuddha.com>
> Subject: Re: [AMTD] Fwd: Make: Live's Hackerspace Roadshow
> To: "Joe King" <atom_bomb at rocketmail.com> <atom_bomb at rocketmail.com>
> Cc: "Christopher Cook" <ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com><ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com>,
> discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2011, 3:50 PM
>
>  Anyone else with a project or something to show?
>
> Is this a commitment that we can do this? I don't want to say "Yes" and
> then have us look like idiots. :-)
>
> Who has a decent camera? Anyone here know how to edit video who can commit
> to doing it?
>
> Al
>
> On 11/16/11 3:21 PM, Joe King wrote:
>
>   i can at least hold a camera in front of ChrisCook & his creeper.
>
> maybe we can make some montage clips of makerbots, mills and lasers and
> people making stuff along with the dinosaurs and crude messages scrolling
> by the led sign if someone can be around to help me make some of those
> tools go and star in those clips.
>
> -atom
>
> --- On *Wed, 11/16/11, Christopher Cook <ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com><http://mc/compose?to=ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com>
> * wrote:
>
>
> From: Christopher Cook <ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com><http://mc/compose?to=ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com>
> Subject: Re: [AMTD] Fwd: Make: Live's Hackerspace Roadshow
> To: "Al Jigen Billings" <albill at openbuddha.com><http://mc/compose?to=albill at openbuddha.com>
> Cc: discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org<http://mc/compose?to=discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org>
> Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2011, 3:11 PM
>
>
> Ahh we have to, don't we? I and my rather telegenic Creeperbot will be
> away from the Space until Monday but we could do a segment some evening
> before T-day.
>
>
>
>  On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com
> > wrote:
>
>   Do we have it in ourselves to do a video in this timeline? If so, what
> projects could we show?
>
> Al
>
> -------- Original Message --------  Subject: Make: Live's Hackerspace
> Roadshow  Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 18:00:37 -0500  From: Becky Stern
> <becky at oreilly.com>  To: albill at openbuddha.com  CC: Matt Richardson
> <mattr at makezine.com>
>
> Hi Al,
>
> We produce Make: Live, MAKE Magazine?s streaming show and tell. We?re
> currently planning our next episode, our Hackerspace Roadshow, where
> we check in with five hackerspaces all over the world to see their
> space and find out what projects they?re working on. The last time we
> did an episode like this it was a huge success, and really fun to be a
> part of to boot:
> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2011/06/make-live-60811-hackerspace-roadshow-video.html
>
> Upon recommendation from our colleague John Baichtal, we?d love to
> invite Ace Monster Toys to participate this upcoming roadshow. Instead
> of calling in live, we?d like spaces on this episode to pre-tape a
> brief video at the space with some of the members. We?ll provide more
> info but are basically looking to see your space and what awesome
> projects your members are working on. Nothing super fancy, use a Flip
> camera if that?s what you?ve got, and we?ll take care of all the
> editing.
>
> Ace Monster Toys is our first choice for this episode, so please let
> us know ASAP if you?re interested and available and we can work out
> all the details. If you?re not confident you can participate under our
> tight footage deadline of Saturday 11/26 (show is 11/30), please let
> us know promptly so we can humbly seek an alternative space to
> participate.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Becky Stern
> Senior Video Producer
> Makezine.com
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Wed Nov 16 16:21:47 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 16:21:47 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Fwd: Make: Live's Hackerspace Roadshow
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXeJ0qmU-K+PSqj51VOFd0oKO9M=06KX00jwMEpysZAiutQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1321485676.88815.YahooMailClassic@web82903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4EC44C5B.8080100@openbuddha.com>
	<CACAQXeJ0qmU-K+PSqj51VOFd0oKO9M=06KX00jwMEpysZAiutQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EC4539B.30303@openbuddha.com>

WTF? Can we change the Reply-to: settings for the list back to reply to 
the list? I have to hit reply all or manually edit the headers in order 
to send thread replies to the list. Very annoying.

For those that want to see what the last bit of Hackerspace Roadshow was 
like, you can watch their video at 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HdkQ2wPpCx0.

Al



From drorex at gmail.com  Wed Nov 16 16:25:27 2011
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 16:25:27 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] neat lasercutter project
Message-ID: <CACAQXe+3vu2nG-uAdz-2GUfjpGfxKQrSeRamjJ_jmBbNW-R6Sw@mail.gmail.com>

Too bad it's not open source :'(

http://www.ponoko.com/showroom/chosetec/products

[image: Add a new design]
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Wed Nov 16 17:02:27 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:02:27 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Fwd: Re: Make: Live's Hackerspace Roadshow
In-Reply-To: <CAC3rdDb03jV7BNLNUVqQtLRWDO9FocpaDcRNcqLvgrRb_g4Cyw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC3rdDb03jV7BNLNUVqQtLRWDO9FocpaDcRNcqLvgrRb_g4Cyw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EC45D23.5030800@openbuddha.com>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: Make: Live's Hackerspace Roadshow
Date: 	Wed, 16 Nov 2011 20:00:09 -0500
From: 	Becky Stern <becky at oreilly.com>
To: 	Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com>
CC: 	Matt Richardson <mattr at makezine.com>



Awesome, we're delighted to have you on board! Here's some guidance for filming:

Space: We are looking to learn about what goes on at your space and
what kinds of special tools you have. Give us a video tour of the
space, stopping at points of interest. The tour-giver can be narrating
the tour off-camera. Some questions we?re asking every participating
space to answer:
-General info: how many members? year founded? square footage?
-What?s your most drool-worthy tool?
-Tell a story of something incredible that happened at the space.
-What do you folks do better than any other hackerspace?

People&  Projects: We?d like to see what your members are up to! Have
each participating member demonstrate and explain his/her project and
how it works. You might ask:
-what got you started working on a project like this?
-what are the different components that make up the project, and how
do they fit together?
-what was the hardest part/biggest challenge?
-where do you hope for this project going in the future?
-what can the maker community do to help or get involved?

Some tips:
- Open with by introducing yourselves on camera and welcoming the
audience to your hackerspace
- Shoot the members as they talk about their projects, when they?re
done, shoot close ups separately. We?ll cut it together.
- ?Leave room? before and after every shot: have the camera rolling a
few seconds before someone starts to speak and leave it rolling for a
few seconds after they?re done speaking.
- End by thanking the viewers for visiting your hackerspace and let
them know where they can find out more about it.

Thanks so much, we can?t wait for what we know will be a super-fun
show. Please feel free to ask us any questions as they arise. We need
your footage by the end of Saturday, November 26th at the latest in
order to edit it for the live broadcast Wednesday, November 30th.

Please upload your footage to our FTP server with the name of your
hackerspace in all file names:

[al removed]

We?ll send another message announcing the broadcast, but you should
know you are invited to participate live in the chatroom during the
broadcast at 9pm ET on 11/30.

Thanks again!

Becky&  Matt

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From albill at openbuddha.com  Wed Nov 16 17:42:29 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:42:29 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] neat lasercutter project
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXe+3vu2nG-uAdz-2GUfjpGfxKQrSeRamjJ_jmBbNW-R6Sw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACAQXe+3vu2nG-uAdz-2GUfjpGfxKQrSeRamjJ_jmBbNW-R6Sw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EC46685.7080601@openbuddha.com>

On 11/16/11 4:25 PM, David Rorex wrote:
> Too bad it's not open source :'(
>
> http://www.ponoko.com/showroom/chosetec/products
>
http://www.instructables.com/id/Constructing-the-Laser-cut-folding-ukulele/

Al

P.S. Sent to David first before I re-edited it to send to the list since 
"Reply" is broken on the list.


From drorex at gmail.com  Wed Nov 16 17:49:49 2011
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:49:49 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] neat lasercutter project
In-Reply-To: <4EC46685.7080601@openbuddha.com>
References: <CACAQXe+3vu2nG-uAdz-2GUfjpGfxKQrSeRamjJ_jmBbNW-R6Sw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EC46685.7080601@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <CACAQXe+1eTa7KM5Sv1=dg-i5R+jC5MFMtkYoeEctN=ib7rFk1A@mail.gmail.com>

Notice step one of those instructions is "buy the pre-cut kit from
us"...there's no design files you can download :(

P.S. Insert snarky comment here about the difference between reply and
reply to all

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com>wrote:

> On 11/16/11 4:25 PM, David Rorex wrote:
>
>> Too bad it's not open source :'(
>>
>> http://www.ponoko.com/**showroom/chosetec/products<http://www.ponoko.com/showroom/chosetec/products>
>>
>>  http://www.instructables.com/**id/Constructing-the-Laser-cut-**
> folding-ukulele/<http://www.instructables.com/id/Constructing-the-Laser-cut-folding-ukulele/>
>
> Al
>
> P.S. Sent to David first before I re-edited it to send to the list since
> "Reply" is broken on the list.
> ______________________________**_________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.**org <Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org>
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Wed Nov 16 18:01:28 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 18:01:28 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] neat lasercutter project
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXe+1eTa7KM5Sv1=dg-i5R+jC5MFMtkYoeEctN=ib7rFk1A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACAQXe+3vu2nG-uAdz-2GUfjpGfxKQrSeRamjJ_jmBbNW-R6Sw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EC46685.7080601@openbuddha.com>
	<CACAQXe+1eTa7KM5Sv1=dg-i5R+jC5MFMtkYoeEctN=ib7rFk1A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EC46AF8.8050102@openbuddha.com>

On 11/16/11 5:49 PM, David Rorex wrote:
> Notice step one of those instructions is "buy the pre-cut kit from 
> us"...there's no design files you can download :(

But lots of pictures so you can begin the cloning process.

> P.S. Insert snarky comment here about the difference between reply and 
> reply to all

It used to work fine and then one of you screwed with it. Replies to 
list messages should be directed to the list automatically. We have a 
setting for it which either you or Robbie changed.

I suggest we take a vote about "Reply" versus "Reply to List" for this 
list from the membership and abide by it. Right now, it is whatever you 
or Robbie decide, which isn't, officially, how things work.

Otherwise, I'll just bring it up at the next Board meeting and the Board 
can make an official decision since I, as President, apparently lack 
that power. :-)

Seriously, I've gotten at least two replies to my personal inbox today 
meant for the list. Usually the person then sends it to the list after 
they realize what they did so then I have two copies of the same message.

Al


From drorex at gmail.com  Wed Nov 16 19:35:46 2011
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:35:46 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Please vote: reply-to header munging
Message-ID: <CACAQXeLO=4D4WADGYWXj+U38AYb+xc_VUCDCK6J09DzbuAZhWw@mail.gmail.com>

How do you think the mailing list should work? There are two options:

1. WITH header munging:
Reply --> email goes to whole list
Reply to All --> email goes to whole list

2. WITHOUT header munging:
Reply --> email goes only to original sender
Reply to All --> email goes to whole list

Many words have been written on the topic. Here's an argument against
munging, a rebuttal, and a rebuttal to the rebuttal.

http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
http://marc.merlins.org/netrants/reply-to-useful.html
http://woozle.org/~neale/papers/reply-to-still-harmful.html

Please vote here:
http://poll.pollcode.com/az3 (and no stuffing the ballot box!)
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Wed Nov 16 19:52:57 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:52:57 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Please vote: reply-to header munging
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXeLO=4D4WADGYWXj+U38AYb+xc_VUCDCK6J09DzbuAZhWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACAQXeLO=4D4WADGYWXj+U38AYb+xc_VUCDCK6J09DzbuAZhWw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EC48519.8080105@openbuddha.com>

On 11/16/11 7:35 PM, David Rorex wrote:
> How do you think the mailing list should work? There are two options:
>
> 1. WITH header munging:
> Reply --> email goes to whole list
> Reply to All --> email goes to whole list
>
> 2. WITHOUT header munging:
> Reply --> email goes only to original sender
> Reply to All --> email goes to whole list

Except for a lot of e-mail clients, where "Reply to All" sends the 
e-mail to *both* the sender AND the list, not the list.

Al


From slick at rebelbase.com  Wed Nov 16 19:59:41 2011
From: slick at rebelbase.com (slick)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:59:41 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Please vote: reply-to header munging
In-Reply-To: <4EC48519.8080105@openbuddha.com>
References: <CACAQXeLO=4D4WADGYWXj+U38AYb+xc_VUCDCK6J09DzbuAZhWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EC48519.8080105@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <CAMmuSovLtLj_vDPTTWjnS-zrnzNiPW60+xOxuZ16S4su2g5jgg@mail.gmail.com>

I'd just like to point out the last poll we did on this subject never
got acted on even though the majority voted for reply to list.

http://polldaddy.com/poll/5144052/

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Al Jigen Billings
<albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> On 11/16/11 7:35 PM, David Rorex wrote:
>>
>> How do you think the mailing list should work? There are two options:
>>
>> 1. WITH header munging:
>> Reply --> email goes to whole list
>> Reply to All --> email goes to whole list
>>
>> 2. WITHOUT header munging:
>> Reply --> email goes only to original sender
>> Reply to All --> email goes to whole list
>
> Except for a lot of e-mail clients, where "Reply to All" sends the e-mail to
> *both* the sender AND the list, not the list.
>
> Al
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>


From atmanistan at gmail.com  Thu Nov 17 10:46:14 2011
From: atmanistan at gmail.com (Sam Putman)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 10:46:14 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Dwolla for payments?
Message-ID: <CANFD0BGzX+Y4KnBPyrzvLjx_WkuZBWij3jtYBmThXrvw+L50fg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

There's a site called Dwolla:

https://www.dwolla.com/default.aspx

That has a flat fee of $0.25/transaction. It works from one bank
account to another, rather than through the credit networks.

I kinda despise PayPal, and they charge 2.9% plus $0.30 a transaction.
Could we enable Dwolla as an option for AMT payments?

cheers,
-Sam.


From drorex at gmail.com  Thu Nov 17 10:53:03 2011
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 10:53:03 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Dwolla for payments?
In-Reply-To: <CANFD0BGzX+Y4KnBPyrzvLjx_WkuZBWij3jtYBmThXrvw+L50fg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANFD0BGzX+Y4KnBPyrzvLjx_WkuZBWij3jtYBmThXrvw+L50fg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACAQXe+ZuoqCTk5qQEmjbs9zJf2WxWp8p4WMAAfzHQdoK9iRng@mail.gmail.com>

Ok, just set up an account for us, the ID is 812-513-2256 feel free to use
that to pay your dues. Maybe later I'll look into using their API to make
it automated like our other payment methods.

FYI you can already pay directly via bank account (use a debit card) or
credit card, not going through paypal at all (we have a traditional credit
card merchant account), and it's all automated on our website. However the
fees are still higher than dwolla.

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Sam Putman <atmanistan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> There's a site called Dwolla:
>
> https://www.dwolla.com/default.aspx
>
> That has a flat fee of $0.25/transaction. It works from one bank
> account to another, rather than through the credit networks.
>
> I kinda despise PayPal, and they charge 2.9% plus $0.30 a transaction.
> Could we enable Dwolla as an option for AMT payments?
>
> cheers,
> -Sam.
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Thu Nov 17 16:25:04 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:25:04 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Fwd: Re: Make: Live's Hackerspace Roadshow
In-Reply-To: <CAC3rdDbg=MmRUuhxAW0UR7HcsJ4eJoCo=UudN5Up+BVe_OpWjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC3rdDbg=MmRUuhxAW0UR7HcsJ4eJoCo=UudN5Up+BVe_OpWjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EC5A5E0.503@openbuddha.com>

FYI.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: Make: Live's Hackerspace Roadshow
Date: 	Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:22:28 -0500
From: 	Becky Stern <becky at oreilly.com>
To: 	Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com>
CC: 	Matt Richardson <mattr at makezine.com>



8-12 minutes is plenty, thanks!

Becky

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Al Jigen Billings
<albill at openbuddha.com>  wrote:
>  Hi,
>
>  How many minutes of footage are you aiming for? (I don't know if we can meet
>  fixed expectations or not but it would be good to know!)
>
>  Al
>
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From me at robbiet.us  Fri Nov 18 01:18:12 2011
From: me at robbiet.us (Robbie Trencheny)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 01:18:12 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Costa is on HBO this week!
Message-ID: <CAPs-5xUekeJimbr1600PEpCrRfHO=BPGMLjo-fEwrB0A=hP2-Q@mail.gmail.com>

http://heylookit.me/Bvkb
I am totally watching this Sunday! Nice job on landing the acting gig Costa!


(It's really Zach Galifianakis, but I was clearing out email and I
instantly thought it was Costa and had to go look it up to figure out it
was Zach Galifianakis)
Robbie Trencheny (@robbie <http://twitter.com/robbie>)
Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
925-413-8104
robbie.io
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From drorex at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 09:23:47 2011
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 09:23:47 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Costa is on HBO this week!
In-Reply-To: <CAPs-5xUekeJimbr1600PEpCrRfHO=BPGMLjo-fEwrB0A=hP2-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPs-5xUekeJimbr1600PEpCrRfHO=BPGMLjo-fEwrB0A=hP2-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACAQXeK3=wCnZMgxOkxOV7VLKcsRjwDfxNdLk0OcFV3PQjEdRQ@mail.gmail.com>

Why are you sending us links to a page full of ads?

On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 1:18 AM, Robbie Trencheny <me at robbiet.us> wrote:

> http://heylookit.me/Bvkb
> I am totally watching this Sunday! Nice job on landing the acting gig
> Costa!
>
>
> (It's really Zach Galifianakis, but I was clearing out email and I
> instantly thought it was Costa and had to go look it up to figure out it
> was Zach Galifianakis)
> Robbie Trencheny (@robbie <http://twitter.com/robbie>)
> Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
> 925-413-8104
> robbie.io
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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From robertcook at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 11:52:15 2011
From: robertcook at gmail.com (Robert Cook)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:52:15 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Costa is on HBO this week!
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXeK3=wCnZMgxOkxOV7VLKcsRjwDfxNdLk0OcFV3PQjEdRQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPs-5xUekeJimbr1600PEpCrRfHO=BPGMLjo-fEwrB0A=hP2-Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACAQXeK3=wCnZMgxOkxOV7VLKcsRjwDfxNdLk0OcFV3PQjEdRQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A15C7E82-2C76-40A3-89EF-572D5F3DC70A@gmail.com>

robbiet.us has been taken over by a spambot!

That said, Costa does have Galifianakis-worthy facial hair.

On Nov 18, 2011, at 9:23 AM, David Rorex wrote:

> Why are you sending us links to a page full of ads?
> 
> On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 1:18 AM, Robbie Trencheny <me at robbiet.us> wrote:
> http://heylookit.me/Bvkb
> I am totally watching this Sunday! Nice job on landing the acting gig Costa!
> 
> 
> (It's really Zach Galifianakis, but I was clearing out email and I instantly thought it was Costa and had to go look it up to figure out it was Zach Galifianakis)
> Robbie Trencheny (@robbie)
> Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
> 925-413-8104
> robbie.io
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
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From slick at rebelbase.com  Fri Nov 18 14:16:19 2011
From: slick at rebelbase.com (slick)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 14:16:19 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Using a GoPro as a FPV source.
Message-ID: <CAMmuSovq97O=-O8ZQ+GuFxqVnzUT5e=Zzd_G2tNJedyH6M6frw@mail.gmail.com>

So,
   So a lot of people use multiple cameras for FPV flight in order to
get nice video to show off and to have FPV capabilities.  It is
possible to use a GoPro as both a capture device and an FPV feed.
This video is of a kid that has been doing scratch built foam R/C
stuff for a while now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBzRRGBWcrw


From albill at openbuddha.com  Fri Nov 18 14:47:13 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 14:47:13 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Using a GoPro as a FPV source.
In-Reply-To: <CAMmuSovq97O=-O8ZQ+GuFxqVnzUT5e=Zzd_G2tNJedyH6M6frw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMmuSovq97O=-O8ZQ+GuFxqVnzUT5e=Zzd_G2tNJedyH6M6frw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EC6E071.4090402@openbuddha.com>

On 11/18/11 2:16 PM, slick wrote:
> So,
>     So a lot of people use multiple cameras for FPV flight in order to
> get nice video to show off and to have FPV capabilities.  It is
> possible to use a GoPro as both a capture device and an FPV feed.
> This video is of a kid that has been doing scratch built foam R/C
> stuff for a while now.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBzRRGBWcrw
>

I guess I should have gotten a GoPro instead of a ContourRoam.

Al



From biff at cliffle.com  Sun Nov 20 10:29:34 2011
From: biff at cliffle.com (Cliff L. Biffle)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 10:29:34 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Using a GoPro as a FPV source.
In-Reply-To: <4EC6E071.4090402@openbuddha.com>
References: <CAMmuSovq97O=-O8ZQ+GuFxqVnzUT5e=Zzd_G2tNJedyH6M6frw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EC6E071.4090402@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <CA+hY8Pqiqz_Vb0VapVE8dV7WTob=g9gFLzCVZk1WrDk3ykth7Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com>wrote:

> I guess I should have gotten a GoPro instead of a ContourRoam.
>

Don't feel too bad, the GoPro has its disadvantages -- chief among them,
its massive size and horrible UI.  (It's not uncommon to recover a plane
and realize you had accidentally set the GoPro to the wrong mode.)

-- 
Cliff L. Biffle
http://cliffle.com/
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Mon Nov 21 09:57:59 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 09:57:59 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Video progress
Message-ID: <4ECA9127.9020302@openbuddha.com>

Hi all,

  Was any progress made on video filming for Make Live over the weekend? 
Adam, did you and Stacy (Stacey?) get a chance to meet to film here LED 
light project?

  I'm just back in the land of the living (see 
http://www.openbuddha.com/2011/11/20/First-Open-Sangha-Weekend-Retreat-a-Success/ 
for my weekend) and, other than Thanksgiving with my daughter, this 
filming is the other priority this week.

  Al



From atom_bomb at rocketmail.com  Mon Nov 21 10:23:45 2011
From: atom_bomb at rocketmail.com (Joe King)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 10:23:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AMTD] Video progress
In-Reply-To: <4ECA9127.9020302@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <1321899825.27310.YahooMailClassic@web82906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Stacy & I met at the space last night and made some videos of her as yet untitled arduino/led/geometry based art piece along with the prototype pieces she's been working on.
i haven't reviewed any of the clips yet but things looked pretty good on the camera.

i have some time today and wednesday to do some more video stuff.. tuesday is possible but slightly more challenging.

-atom

--- On Mon, 11/21/11, Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:

> From: Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com>
> Subject: [AMTD] Video progress
> To: "Ace Monster Toys Discussion" <discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org>
> Date: Monday, November 21, 2011, 9:57 AM
> Hi all,
> 
>  Was any progress made on video filming for Make Live over
> the weekend? Adam, did you and Stacy (Stacey?) get a chance
> to meet to film here LED light project?
> 
>  I'm just back in the land of the living (see http://www.openbuddha.com/2011/11/20/First-Open-Sangha-Weekend-Retreat-a-Success/
> for my weekend) and, other than Thanksgiving with my
> daughter, this filming is the other priority this week.
> 
>  Al
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> 


From albill at openbuddha.com  Mon Nov 21 10:24:41 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 10:24:41 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Video progress
In-Reply-To: <1321899825.27310.YahooMailClassic@web82906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1321899825.27310.YahooMailClassic@web82906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4ECA9769.1000406@openbuddha.com>

On 11/21/11 10:23 AM, Joe King wrote:
> Stacy&  I met at the space last night and made some videos of her as yet untitled arduino/led/geometry based art piece along with the prototype pieces she's been working on.
> i haven't reviewed any of the clips yet but things looked pretty good on the camera.
>
> i have some time today and wednesday to do some more video stuff.. tuesday is possible but slightly more challenging.
>

Want to meet at the space around 7:30? We could do some kind of talking 
head intro, etc, for the AMT.

Al


From ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com  Mon Nov 21 11:03:02 2011
From: ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com (Christopher Cook)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 11:03:02 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Video progress
In-Reply-To: <4ECA9769.1000406@openbuddha.com>
References: <1321899825.27310.YahooMailClassic@web82906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4ECA9769.1000406@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <CAMDVYoY5ioKrhDHdMhsUiDoQjxk7NAOPfydJDezZTNJQGbKtyw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm still on for some Creeper action on Wednesday.

On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Al Jigen Billings
<albill at openbuddha.com>wrote:

> On 11/21/11 10:23 AM, Joe King wrote:
>
>> Stacy&  I met at the space last night and made some videos of her as yet
>> untitled arduino/led/geometry based art piece along with the prototype
>> pieces she's been working on.
>>
>> i haven't reviewed any of the clips yet but things looked pretty good on
>> the camera.
>>
>> i have some time today and wednesday to do some more video stuff..
>> tuesday is possible but slightly more challenging.
>>
>>
> Want to meet at the space around 7:30? We could do some kind of talking
> head intro, etc, for the AMT.
>
>
> Al
> ______________________________**_________________
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> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.**org <Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org>
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From whimsicaltaxidermy at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 11:11:43 2011
From: whimsicaltaxidermy at gmail.com (Sho Sho Smith)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 11:11:43 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Fwd: Freaklabs breadboards on Make blog
References: <4eca82c8.e210440a.718d.7837SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <715E59C0-229D-4FD0-9F12-FD95805B7B0A@gmail.com>

Christmas gift, anyone? A portion of proceeds go to HackerMoms! Akiba is my brother who helped start Tokyo Hackerspace and Freaklabs is his company. Check it out. 

Mothership Hackermoms are also having a fundraiser, the Leave It to Beaver Gallery Event. We r selling art and artifacts and there'll be beer and music. Saturday 12/10 12-5 at 1721 63rd Street across fr Sweet Adeline Bakery. Flyer coming. Hope you can stop by!

Sho Sho 

 



Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Akiba" <chris at freaklabs.org>
> Date: November 21, 2011 8:56:39 AM PST
> To: "'Sho Sho Smith'" <whimsicaltaxidermy at gmail.com>
> Subject: check it out
> Reply-To: <chris at freaklabs.org>
> 

> Looks like the Make blog picked it up:
> 
> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2011/11/freaklabs-breadboard-the-non-profit-edition.html
> 
>  
> 
> Akiba
> 
> FreakLabs Open Source Wireless
> 
> Web: http://www.freaklabs.org
> 
> Shop:http://www.freaklabsstore.com
> 
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/freaklabs
> 
>  
> 
>  
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From slick at rebelbase.com  Mon Nov 21 16:06:21 2011
From: slick at rebelbase.com (slick)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 16:06:21 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Plasma "bulbs" cheaper and more power efficient than even
	LEDs
Message-ID: <CAMmuSotsj=OqzDLMG-rRTPPsAaAM7HfOuwEPkjO4ig7DF8j69g@mail.gmail.com>

Has any one heard about these, what are their drawbacks?

http://www.edenpark.com/microplasma


From drorex at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 13:27:09 2011
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:27:09 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] anyone coming tomorrow night?
Message-ID: <CACAQXeJqBo+qkL7onzT8eFvEXH7Kkxp9kbYhv33epGX8bi3EMg@mail.gmail.com>

I feel dumb, I can't make it again, I have a wedding reception to go to
this time (not sure why they made it the day before thanksgiving). I'm
hoping nobody really wanted to come anyways since it is the day before
thanksgiving, but if any members are around I'd be thankful just in case
someone tries to stop by.
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Tue Nov 22 13:28:35 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:28:35 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] anyone coming tomorrow night?
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXeJqBo+qkL7onzT8eFvEXH7Kkxp9kbYhv33epGX8bi3EMg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACAQXeJqBo+qkL7onzT8eFvEXH7Kkxp9kbYhv33epGX8bi3EMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ECC1403.6020502@openbuddha.com>

On 11/22/11 1:27 PM, David Rorex wrote:
> I feel dumb, I can't make it again, I have a wedding reception to go 
> to this time (not sure why they made it the day before thanksgiving). 
> I'm hoping nobody really wanted to come anyways since it is the day 
> before thanksgiving, but if any members are around I'd be thankful 
> just in case someone tries to stop by.

I am gathering my spawn at the airport at this time so I cannot do so.

Al



From atom_bomb at rocketmail.com  Tue Nov 22 17:58:05 2011
From: atom_bomb at rocketmail.com (Joe King)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:58:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AMTD] anyone coming tomorrow night?
In-Reply-To: <4ECC1403.6020502@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <1322013485.28136.YahooMailClassic@web82905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

ChrisCook & I have an appointment to make videos at the space tomorrow night so we will at least be there.

-atom

--- On Tue, 11/22/11, Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:

> From: Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com>
> Subject: Re: [AMTD] anyone coming tomorrow night?
> To: discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> Date: Tuesday, November 22, 2011, 1:28 PM
> On 11/22/11 1:27 PM, David Rorex
> wrote:
> > I feel dumb, I can't make it again, I have a wedding
> reception to go to this time (not sure why they made it the
> day before thanksgiving). I'm hoping nobody really wanted to
> come anyways since it is the day before thanksgiving, but if
> any members are around I'd be thankful just in case someone
> tries to stop by.
> 
> I am gathering my spawn at the airport at this time so I
> cannot do so.
> 
> Al
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> 


From me at robbiet.us  Tue Nov 22 22:09:22 2011
From: me at robbiet.us (Robbie Trencheny)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 01:09:22 -0500
Subject: [AMTD] The Story of Sugru
Message-ID: <CAPs-5xV5_zwy58byz3uSyfUj9zd_MqRS0Y6gu_qeOLOe8PnqZA@mail.gmail.com>

>From Hacker News (news.ycombinator.com)

http://sugru.com/story


Robbie Trencheny (@robbie <http://twitter.com/robbie>)
Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
925-413-8104
robbie.io
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From romanian at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 22:12:34 2011
From: romanian at gmail.com (Stefan Hristu)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 00:12:34 -0600
Subject: [AMTD] The Story of Sugru
In-Reply-To: <CAPs-5xV5_zwy58byz3uSyfUj9zd_MqRS0Y6gu_qeOLOe8PnqZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPs-5xV5_zwy58byz3uSyfUj9zd_MqRS0Y6gu_qeOLOe8PnqZA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPdpSwxdE4fHBmWWB3q-eHf=hE3fLNxw--WP9rJi3m24AjyOog@mail.gmail.com>

should also mention that my stash of sugru is safely stored in our
hackerfridge. Should any of you require some, please feel free to use
it before it expires.
It's green :)

Stefan

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Robbie Trencheny <me at robbiet.us> wrote:
> From Hacker News (news.ycombinator.com)
> http://sugru.com/story
>
> Robbie Trencheny (@robbie)
> Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
> 925-413-8104
> robbie.io
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
>


From albill at openbuddha.com  Wed Nov 23 19:15:44 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 19:15:44 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Wishlist
Message-ID: <4ECDB6E0.4080703@openbuddha.com>

Have we a current wishlist page on the wiki somewhere about equipment 
that we'd like to have?

Al


From atom_bomb at rocketmail.com  Wed Nov 23 20:07:44 2011
From: atom_bomb at rocketmail.com (Joe King)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 20:07:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AMTD] Wishlist
In-Reply-To: <4ECDB6E0.4080703@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <1322107664.9540.YahooMailClassic@web82902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

http://wiki.acemonstertoys.org/Wish_list


--- On Wed, 11/23/11, Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:

> From: Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com>
> Subject: [AMTD] Wishlist
> To: discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> Date: Wednesday, November 23, 2011, 7:15 PM
> Have we a current wishlist page on
> the wiki somewhere about equipment that we'd like to have?
> 
> Al
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> 


From albill at openbuddha.com  Wed Nov 23 20:17:09 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 20:17:09 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Wishlist
In-Reply-To: <1322107664.9540.YahooMailClassic@web82902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1322107664.9540.YahooMailClassic@web82902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4ECDC545.8070709@openbuddha.com>

Good call.

I've been thinking about a kickstarter campaign to kickstart our toolshed.

On 11/23/11 8:07 PM, Joe King wrote:
> http://wiki.acemonstertoys.org/Wish_list
>
>
> --- On Wed, 11/23/11, Al Jigen Billings<albill at openbuddha.com>  wrote:
>
>> From: Al Jigen Billings<albill at openbuddha.com>
>> Subject: [AMTD] Wishlist
>> To: discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> Date: Wednesday, November 23, 2011, 7:15 PM
>> Have we a current wishlist page on
>> the wiki somewhere about equipment that we'd like to have?
>>
>> Al
>>



From romanian at gmail.com  Wed Nov 23 20:20:15 2011
From: romanian at gmail.com (Stefan Hristu)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 22:20:15 -0600
Subject: [AMTD] Wishlist
In-Reply-To: <4ECDC545.8070709@openbuddha.com>
References: <1322107664.9540.YahooMailClassic@web82902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4ECDC545.8070709@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <CAPdpSwxQZBgZoLxwQOH_7U=ws=_w5+x5tV=mGYQ0p50bWd-ZmA@mail.gmail.com>

we need to spam coffee shops, etc. with flyers too. if we get more
membership, we might be able to start affording basic minutia.

please make propaganda a topic for tomorrow's meeting!

Stefan

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Al Jigen Billings
<albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> Good call.
>
> I've been thinking about a kickstarter campaign to kickstart our toolshed.
>
> On 11/23/11 8:07 PM, Joe King wrote:
>>
>> http://wiki.acemonstertoys.org/Wish_list
>>
>>
>> --- On Wed, 11/23/11, Al Jigen Billings<albill at openbuddha.com> ?wrote:
>>
>>> From: Al Jigen Billings<albill at openbuddha.com>
>>> Subject: [AMTD] Wishlist
>>> To: discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>> Date: Wednesday, November 23, 2011, 7:15 PM
>>> Have we a current wishlist page on
>>> the wiki somewhere about equipment that we'd like to have?
>>>
>>> Al
>>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>


From albill at openbuddha.com  Wed Nov 23 20:23:51 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 20:23:51 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Wishlist
In-Reply-To: <CAPdpSwxQZBgZoLxwQOH_7U=ws=_w5+x5tV=mGYQ0p50bWd-ZmA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1322107664.9540.YahooMailClassic@web82902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4ECDC545.8070709@openbuddha.com>
	<CAPdpSwxQZBgZoLxwQOH_7U=ws=_w5+x5tV=mGYQ0p50bWd-ZmA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ECDC6D7.7010206@openbuddha.com>

On 11/23/11 8:20 PM, Stefan Hristu wrote:
> we need to spam coffee shops, etc. with flyers too. if we get more
> membership, we might be able to start affording basic minutia.
>
> please make propaganda a topic for tomorrow's meeting!
>

What tomorrow's meeting? It's f'ing Thanksgiving!!

I'm not going to be there. I have my daughter and a long day at the in-laws.

Is anyone coming tomorrow night?

Al



From romanian at gmail.com  Wed Nov 23 20:26:17 2011
From: romanian at gmail.com (Stefan Hristu)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 22:26:17 -0600
Subject: [AMTD] Wishlist
In-Reply-To: <4ECDC6D7.7010206@openbuddha.com>
References: <1322107664.9540.YahooMailClassic@web82902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4ECDC545.8070709@openbuddha.com>
	<CAPdpSwxQZBgZoLxwQOH_7U=ws=_w5+x5tV=mGYQ0p50bWd-ZmA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ECDC6D7.7010206@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <CAPdpSwzUQhXi=R+t=Jby7aUS1Pjj_NjrL8xuxMHX+3sL_yx7+A@mail.gmail.com>

oh yea, forgot. Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

next meeting then!

Stefan

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Al Jigen Billings
<albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> On 11/23/11 8:20 PM, Stefan Hristu wrote:
>>
>> we need to spam coffee shops, etc. with flyers too. if we get more
>> membership, we might be able to start affording basic minutia.
>>
>> please make propaganda a topic for tomorrow's meeting!
>>
>
> What tomorrow's meeting? It's f'ing Thanksgiving!!
>
> I'm not going to be there. I have my daughter and a long day at the in-laws.
>
> Is anyone coming tomorrow night?
>
> Al
>
>


From jjrosent at heatsynclabs.org  Fri Nov 25 00:52:43 2011
From: jjrosent at heatsynclabs.org (Jacob Rosenthal)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 01:52:43 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Wishlist
In-Reply-To: <CAPdpSwzUQhXi=R+t=Jby7aUS1Pjj_NjrL8xuxMHX+3sL_yx7+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1322107664.9540.YahooMailClassic@web82902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4ECDC545.8070709@openbuddha.com>
	<CAPdpSwxQZBgZoLxwQOH_7U=ws=_w5+x5tV=mGYQ0p50bWd-ZmA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ECDC6D7.7010206@openbuddha.com>
	<CAPdpSwzUQhXi=R+t=Jby7aUS1Pjj_NjrL8xuxMHX+3sL_yx7+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJvmB2uyEKw0WS8WXzg9C7e1D=H3eqQ4YNhdE2M+Vm_c5rfNuA@mail.gmail.com>

I guess we were like the last group to get an equipment kickstarter in
before they closed the doors on that. You'll have to make it project based
somehow or use one of the other 10 donation platforms around now.

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Stefan Hristu <romanian at gmail.com> wrote:

> oh yea, forgot. Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
>
> next meeting then!
>
> Stefan
>
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Al Jigen Billings
> <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> > On 11/23/11 8:20 PM, Stefan Hristu wrote:
> >>
> >> we need to spam coffee shops, etc. with flyers too. if we get more
> >> membership, we might be able to start affording basic minutia.
> >>
> >> please make propaganda a topic for tomorrow's meeting!
> >>
> >
> > What tomorrow's meeting? It's f'ing Thanksgiving!!
> >
> > I'm not going to be there. I have my daughter and a long day at the
> in-laws.
> >
> > Is anyone coming tomorrow night?
> >
> > Al
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>



-- 
Jacob Rosenthal
Champion | HeatSync Labs
480.389.4743 | jacob at heatsynclabs.org
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From ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com  Fri Nov 25 11:40:07 2011
From: ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com (Christopher Cook)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 11:40:07 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Scheduling conflict.. fixit clinic and soldering class
Message-ID: <CAMDVYoZ=RAxKNAYqeGexC2tFgWVRzBoSzoe=2Of7kfN9M7-5=Q@mail.gmail.com>

I've got a soldering class on the calendar for Sat the 3rd and the 11th,
I'm expecting 10-20 kids and their parents. It's been on the calendar for
probably a month now. But I see that Davr just posted to the blog about a
fixit clinic at the same time on the 3rd.

What up with that? FAIL.
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From ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com  Fri Nov 25 11:41:28 2011
From: ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com (Christopher Cook)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 11:41:28 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Scheduling conflict.. fixit clinic and soldering class
In-Reply-To: <CAMDVYoZ=RAxKNAYqeGexC2tFgWVRzBoSzoe=2Of7kfN9M7-5=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMDVYoZ=RAxKNAYqeGexC2tFgWVRzBoSzoe=2Of7kfN9M7-5=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMDVYoadWz=tSmKGLuaw=VRN_7M5BPP5OzPFU0rKb3xFU7oeqg@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry I mean the 3rd and the 10th.

Issue still stands.

On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Christopher Cook <
ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com> wrote:

> I've got a soldering class on the calendar for Sat the 3rd and the 11th,
> I'm expecting 10-20 kids and their parents. It's been on the calendar for
> probably a month now. But I see that Davr just posted to the blog about a
> fixit clinic at the same time on the 3rd.
>
> What up with that? FAIL.
>
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From drorex at gmail.com  Fri Nov 25 11:44:25 2011
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 11:44:25 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Scheduling conflict.. fixit clinic and soldering class
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My bad, was the soldering class mentioned on the mailing list or at any
meetings? I never heard about it. I'll see about moving the fixit thing. I
admit I haven't posted details about fixit to the mailing list yet, mostly
because I just got it scheduled and been busy with thanksgiving etc. I'll
see about moving it to a different day.

On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Christopher Cook <
ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com> wrote:

> Sorry I mean the 3rd and the 10th.
>
> Issue still stands.
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Christopher Cook <
> ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com> wrote:
>
>> I've got a soldering class on the calendar for Sat the 3rd and the 11th,
>> I'm expecting 10-20 kids and their parents. It's been on the calendar for
>> probably a month now. But I see that Davr just posted to the blog about a
>> fixit clinic at the same time on the 3rd.
>>
>> What up with that? FAIL.
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Fri Nov 25 11:47:55 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 11:47:55 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Scheduling conflict.. fixit clinic and soldering class
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To be fair, I only heard about the Fixit stuff when it showed up on 
Meetup but I had no idea that there was any soldering class coming up or 
I would have been mentioning it to people at the weekly meetings.

We don't have a formal approval process (and I think soldering classes 
are great) but did we discuss it at a meeting or in e-mail before it 
went on the calendar?

That said, I agree that we should try to move the Fixit event as the 
newer event.

Al

On 11/25/11 11:44 AM, David Rorex wrote:
> My bad, was the soldering class mentioned on the mailing list or at 
> any meetings? I never heard about it. I'll see about moving the fixit 
> thing. I admit I haven't posted details about fixit to the mailing 
> list yet, mostly because I just got it scheduled and been busy with 
> thanksgiving etc. I'll see about moving it to a different day.
>
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Christopher Cook 
> <ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com <mailto:ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com>> wrote:
>
>     Sorry I mean the 3rd and the 10th.
>
>     Issue still stands.
>
>
>     On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Christopher Cook
>     <ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com <mailto:ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com>>
>     wrote:
>
>         I've got a soldering class on the calendar for Sat the 3rd and
>         the 11th, I'm expecting 10-20 kids and their parents. It's
>         been on the calendar for probably a month now. But I see that
>         Davr just posted to the blog about a fixit clinic at the same
>         time on the 3rd.
>
>         What up with that? FAIL.
>
>
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     Discuss mailing list
>     Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>     <mailto:Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org>
>     http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From drorex at gmail.com  Fri Nov 25 12:01:24 2011
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 12:01:24 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Scheduling conflict.. fixit clinic and soldering class
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Do you think it would be a problem to have the at the same time? Here's
what the fixit guy said:


> Changing the date /time at this point is really bad as our promotional
> efforts have already gone out.  Is there any way the other event can be
> postponed instead?
>
> If the organizer of the other activity doesn't object, and assuming they
> don't have too many sign-ups, we could hold the Fixit Clinic alongside the
> Learn to Solder / Intro to Electronics activity.  Let me know if that's a
> possibility: I prefer that to rescheduling.
>



On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Al Jigen Billings
<albill at openbuddha.com>wrote:

>  To be fair, I only heard about the Fixit stuff when it showed up on
> Meetup but I had no idea that there was any soldering class coming up or I
> would have been mentioning it to people at the weekly meetings.
>
> We don't have a formal approval process (and I think soldering classes are
> great) but did we discuss it at a meeting or in e-mail before it went on
> the calendar?
>
> That said, I agree that we should try to move the Fixit event as the newer
> event.
>
> Al
>
>
> On 11/25/11 11:44 AM, David Rorex wrote:
>
> My bad, was the soldering class mentioned on the mailing list or at any
> meetings? I never heard about it. I'll see about moving the fixit thing. I
> admit I haven't posted details about fixit to the mailing list yet, mostly
> because I just got it scheduled and been busy with thanksgiving etc. I'll
> see about moving it to a different day.
>
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Christopher Cook <
> ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry I mean the 3rd and the 10th.
>>
>>  Issue still stands.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Christopher Cook <
>> ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I've got a soldering class on the calendar for Sat the 3rd and the 11th,
>>> I'm expecting 10-20 kids and their parents. It's been on the calendar for
>>> probably a month now. But I see that Davr just posted to the blog about a
>>> fixit clinic at the same time on the 3rd.
>>>
>>>  What up with that? FAIL.
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing listDiscuss at lists.acemonstertoys.orghttp://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
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From drorex at gmail.com  Fri Nov 25 12:22:27 2011
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 12:22:27 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Scheduling conflict.. fixit clinic and soldering class
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I feel bad, I should have more carefully checked that that day was free
before I suggested it to the fixit guy. Now because of that basically I
think we're stuck with three options all of which are going to be a hassle
for someone or another:
1. change time or date of fixit clinic - hassle for peter to tell everyone
and makes him and us look bad
2. change time or date of soldering class - hassle for chris to tell
everyone and makes him and us look bad
3. have both at the same time - possibly not enough space for everyone to
be comfortable

On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 12:01 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:

> Do you think it would be a problem to have the at the same time? Here's
> what the fixit guy said:
>
>
>> Changing the date /time at this point is really bad as our promotional
>> efforts have already gone out.  Is there any way the other event can be
>> postponed instead?
>>
>> If the organizer of the other activity doesn't object, and assuming they
>> don't have too many sign-ups, we could hold the Fixit Clinic alongside the
>> Learn to Solder / Intro to Electronics activity.  Let me know if that's a
>> possibility: I prefer that to rescheduling.
>>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com
> > wrote:
>
>>  To be fair, I only heard about the Fixit stuff when it showed up on
>> Meetup but I had no idea that there was any soldering class coming up or I
>> would have been mentioning it to people at the weekly meetings.
>>
>> We don't have a formal approval process (and I think soldering classes
>> are great) but did we discuss it at a meeting or in e-mail before it went
>> on the calendar?
>>
>> That said, I agree that we should try to move the Fixit event as the
>> newer event.
>>
>> Al
>>
>>
>> On 11/25/11 11:44 AM, David Rorex wrote:
>>
>> My bad, was the soldering class mentioned on the mailing list or at any
>> meetings? I never heard about it. I'll see about moving the fixit thing. I
>> admit I haven't posted details about fixit to the mailing list yet, mostly
>> because I just got it scheduled and been busy with thanksgiving etc. I'll
>> see about moving it to a different day.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Christopher Cook <
>> ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry I mean the 3rd and the 10th.
>>>
>>>  Issue still stands.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Christopher Cook <
>>> ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've got a soldering class on the calendar for Sat the 3rd and the
>>>> 11th, I'm expecting 10-20 kids and their parents. It's been on the calendar
>>>> for probably a month now. But I see that Davr just posted to the blog about
>>>> a fixit clinic at the same time on the 3rd.
>>>>
>>>>  What up with that? FAIL.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing listDiscuss at lists.acemonstertoys.orghttp://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>
>>
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From ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com  Fri Nov 25 12:28:19 2011
From: ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com (Christopher Cook)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 12:28:19 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Learn to Solder / Intro to Electronics (Dec 3rd and 10th,
	1pm - 4pm)
Message-ID: <CAMDVYoY1CnthkN=a2vR-NpTosL_b3pcmeQ4gTZb5MpNEbuz+GQ@mail.gmail.com>

Ages 8 - 18

The start to any interest in electronics hobbying should begin by
learning to solder. In this class we will learn to use a soldering
iron by soldering various electrical components to circuit boards and
end by assembling a simple kit that results in a functional circuit.

Safety and material handling will be discussed.

In addition to instruction in soldering, we will also discuss the
differences in basic electrical components and what their use is in
our kit.

Included in the materials fee ($16) are the components and boards used
in practicing soldering. The circuit kit. A basic soldering iron and
wire snips. All of which the student will be able to keep at the end
of the class.
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From ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com  Fri Nov 25 12:29:23 2011
From: ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com (Christopher Cook)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 12:29:23 -0800
Subject: [AMTD]  Scheduling conflict.. fixit clinic and soldering class
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I'm guessing we can manage, parents and kids are notoriously flakey,
especially for a free class, so the turn out will probably be less then I
expect. I'll take a table and fixit can take a table, or downstairs or
something.. more stuff for Ace the better, right?

I'd talked to someone about this, I thought, cause I had asked how to add
it to the calendar, how many chairs - people could fit at the tables, and
some 'classes', kids, liability questions... but my chat logs aren't
barring that out. So I'm probably mishing a few different conversations
from irc and in person in my head.

I posted the class to a couple of 'kids' lists but looks like I missed the
AMT list itself.

Don't worry, it will work out.

On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 12:01 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:

> Do you think it would be a problem to have the at the same time? Here's
> what the fixit guy said:
>
>
>> Changing the date /time at this point is really bad as our promotional
>> efforts have already gone out.  Is there any way the other event can be
>> postponed instead?
>>
>> If the organizer of the other activity doesn't object, and assuming they
>> don't have too many sign-ups, we could hold the Fixit Clinic alongside the
>> Learn to Solder / Intro to Electronics activity.  Let me know if that's a
>> possibility: I prefer that to rescheduling.
>>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com
> > wrote:
>
>>  To be fair, I only heard about the Fixit stuff when it showed up on
>> Meetup but I had no idea that there was any soldering class coming up or I
>> would have been mentioning it to people at the weekly meetings.
>>
>> We don't have a formal approval process (and I think soldering classes
>> are great) but did we discuss it at a meeting or in e-mail before it went
>> on the calendar?
>>
>> That said, I agree that we should try to move the Fixit event as the
>> newer event.
>>
>> Al
>>
>>
>> On 11/25/11 11:44 AM, David Rorex wrote:
>>
>> My bad, was the soldering class mentioned on the mailing list or at any
>> meetings? I never heard about it. I'll see about moving the fixit thing. I
>> admit I haven't posted details about fixit to the mailing list yet, mostly
>> because I just got it scheduled and been busy with thanksgiving etc. I'll
>> see about moving it to a different day.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Christopher Cook <
>> ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry I mean the 3rd and the 10th.
>>>
>>>  Issue still stands.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Christopher Cook <
>>> ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've got a soldering class on the calendar for Sat the 3rd and the
>>>> 11th, I'm expecting 10-20 kids and their parents. It's been on the calendar
>>>> for probably a month now. But I see that Davr just posted to the blog about
>>>> a fixit clinic at the same time on the 3rd.
>>>>
>>>>  What up with that? FAIL.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing listDiscuss at lists.acemonstertoys.orghttp://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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From myles at tenhand.com  Fri Nov 25 12:31:03 2011
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 12:31:03 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Scheduling conflict.. fixit clinic and soldering class
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Any chance we can rent/borrow another room in the  building for a day? Any recent vacancies/ struggling artists? Should we ask the landlord?

Sent from my mobile

On Nov 25, 2011, at 12:22 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:

> I feel bad, I should have more carefully checked that that day was free before I suggested it to the fixit guy. Now because of that basically I think we're stuck with three options all of which are going to be a hassle for someone or another:
> 1. change time or date of fixit clinic - hassle for peter to tell everyone and makes him and us look bad
> 2. change time or date of soldering class - hassle for chris to tell everyone and makes him and us look bad
> 3. have both at the same time - possibly not enough space for everyone to be comfortable
> 
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 12:01 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
> Do you think it would be a problem to have the at the same time? Here's what the fixit guy said:
>  
> Changing the date /time at this point is really bad as our promotional efforts have already gone out.  Is there any way the other event can be postponed instead?
> 
> If the organizer of the other activity doesn't object, and assuming they don't have too many sign-ups, we could hold the Fixit Clinic alongside the Learn to Solder / Intro to Electronics activity.  Let me know if that's a possibility: I prefer that to rescheduling.
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> To be fair, I only heard about the Fixit stuff when it showed up on Meetup but I had no idea that there was any soldering class coming up or I would have been mentioning it to people at the weekly meetings.
> 
> We don't have a formal approval process (and I think soldering classes are great) but did we discuss it at a meeting or in e-mail before it went on the calendar?
> 
> That said, I agree that we should try to move the Fixit event as the newer event.
> 
> Al
> 
> 
> On 11/25/11 11:44 AM, David Rorex wrote:
>> 
>> My bad, was the soldering class mentioned on the mailing list or at any meetings? I never heard about it. I'll see about moving the fixit thing. I admit I haven't posted details about fixit to the mailing list yet, mostly because I just got it scheduled and been busy with thanksgiving etc. I'll see about moving it to a different day.
>> 
>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Christopher Cook <ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com> wrote:
>> Sorry I mean the 3rd and the 10th.
>> 
>> Issue still stands.
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Christopher Cook <ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com> wrote:
>> I've got a soldering class on the calendar for Sat the 3rd and the 11th, I'm expecting 10-20 kids and their parents. It's been on the calendar for probably a month now. But I see that Davr just posted to the blog about a fixit clinic at the same time on the 3rd.
>> 
>> What up with that? FAIL.
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
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> 
> 
> 
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From ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com  Fri Nov 25 12:49:52 2011
From: ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com (Christopher Cook)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 12:49:52 -0800
Subject: [AMTD]  Scheduling conflict.. fixit clinic and soldering class
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	<CACAQXe+YYq0Mu2o=emgBXVo6BCQjBnqYrDE616N3bm3anp_NPw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ECFF0EB.4010507@openbuddha.com>
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	<CACAQXeK17qAAhd-+ojr_XieuW=9-9Om8uxkAuEjNh8b=6RpZbQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAMDVYoarWeurnHdzutmior0zMCBNjuZZJRTu2nquy8ATviZGOw@mail.gmail.com>

We've got the room, might just need to use it a bit differently. Making us
look busy / popular isn't the worst thing.


On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 12:31 PM, myles <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:

> Any chance we can rent/borrow another room in the  building for a day? Any
> recent vacancies/ struggling artists? Should we ask the landlord?
>
> Sent from my mobile
>
> On Nov 25, 2011, at 12:22 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I feel bad, I should have more carefully checked that that day was free
> before I suggested it to the fixit guy. Now because of that basically I
> think we're stuck with three options all of which are going to be a hassle
> for someone or another:
> 1. change time or date of fixit clinic - hassle for peter to tell everyone
> and makes him and us look bad
> 2. change time or date of soldering class - hassle for chris to tell
> everyone and makes him and us look bad
> 3. have both at the same time - possibly not enough space for everyone to
> be comfortable
>
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 12:01 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Do you think it would be a problem to have the at the same time? Here's
>> what the fixit guy said:
>>
>>
>>> Changing the date /time at this point is really bad as our promotional
>>> efforts have already gone out.  Is there any way the other event can be
>>> postponed instead?
>>>
>>> If the organizer of the other activity doesn't object, and assuming they
>>> don't have too many sign-ups, we could hold the Fixit Clinic alongside the
>>> Learn to Solder / Intro to Electronics activity.  Let me know if that's a
>>> possibility: I prefer that to rescheduling.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Al Jigen Billings <
>> albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  To be fair, I only heard about the Fixit stuff when it showed up on
>>> Meetup but I had no idea that there was any soldering class coming up or I
>>> would have been mentioning it to people at the weekly meetings.
>>>
>>> We don't have a formal approval process (and I think soldering classes
>>> are great) but did we discuss it at a meeting or in e-mail before it went
>>> on the calendar?
>>>
>>> That said, I agree that we should try to move the Fixit event as the
>>> newer event.
>>>
>>> Al
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/25/11 11:44 AM, David Rorex wrote:
>>>
>>> My bad, was the soldering class mentioned on the mailing list or at any
>>> meetings? I never heard about it. I'll see about moving the fixit thing. I
>>> admit I haven't posted details about fixit to the mailing list yet, mostly
>>> because I just got it scheduled and been busy with thanksgiving etc. I'll
>>> see about moving it to a different day.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Christopher Cook <
>>> ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sorry I mean the 3rd and the 10th.
>>>>
>>>>  Issue still stands.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Christopher Cook <
>>>> ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've got a soldering class on the calendar for Sat the 3rd and the
>>>>> 11th, I'm expecting 10-20 kids and their parents. It's been on the calendar
>>>>> for probably a month now. But I see that Davr just posted to the blog about
>>>>> a fixit clinic at the same time on the 3rd.
>>>>>
>>>>>  What up with that? FAIL.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
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From atom_bomb at rocketmail.com  Fri Nov 25 13:04:57 2011
From: atom_bomb at rocketmail.com (Joe King)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 13:04:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AMTD] Scheduling conflict.. fixit clinic and soldering class
Message-ID: <1322255097.17789.androidMobile@web82906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Is fixit something that can happen downstairs? 
I haven't read the blurb for fixit but it sounds like something that could happen standing up at a workbench. 



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From whimsicaltaxidermy at gmail.com  Fri Nov 25 18:04:27 2011
From: whimsicaltaxidermy at gmail.com (Sho Sho Smith)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 18:04:27 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Donate art/artifact to HackerMoms Leave it to Beaver Show?
Message-ID: <CADV4R=QB_Kq4g-_8ACxFpAGG7zdZukTKn9-ma8ac1E8HBDr+Kg@mail.gmail.com>

Howdy. We are looking for stuff to sell at our Leave It to Beaver
Fundraiser.  If any of you makers have objects and art you'd like to donate
or consign to our event, we'd love to promote your work. More details on
art donations and event here:
http://mothership.hackermoms.org/leave-it-to-beaver-gallery-event/ We hope
you'll be able to stop by. It should be quite a show!

Sho Sho
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Fri Nov 25 22:32:46 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 22:32:46 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Useful for Alice?
Message-ID: <4ED0880E.6060607@openbuddha.com>

I wonder if this would be useful for Alice, with her gen3 motherboard 
and mk6 extruder.

http://store.makerbot.com/3g-5d-shield-for-cupcake.html



From drorex at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 09:38:35 2011
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 09:38:35 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Useful for Alice?
In-Reply-To: <4ED0880E.6060607@openbuddha.com>
References: <4ED0880E.6060607@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <CACAQXeJ3uX5iH=6H7wfZ0ySRCaDskT_1JjKF-=BuL7hL2Z8kBQ@mail.gmail.com>

I think it would have been useful before you added the mk6, making it
easier to wire. The only other advantage i see to this is it lets you wire
up six endstops instead of three.
On Nov 25, 2011 10:32 PM, "Al Jigen Billings" <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:

> I wonder if this would be useful for Alice, with her gen3 motherboard and
> mk6 extruder.
>
> http://store.makerbot.com/3g-**5d-shield-for-cupcake.html<http://store.makerbot.com/3g-5d-shield-for-cupcake.html>
>
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From slick at rebelbase.com  Sat Nov 26 13:13:40 2011
From: slick at rebelbase.com (slick)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 13:13:40 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] 18 min build - scratch built r/c plane
Message-ID: <CAMmuSovbHgn=K3SpbEXJgBkQfne65o=RPgspYyY9vtNqpxd5cA@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGWF7QTZZi0

I've posted videos from this kid before.  He's my Beavis-esque
inspiration for cheap/easy/fun R/C flying.


From myles at tenhand.com  Sat Nov 26 14:16:45 2011
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 14:16:45 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Anyone need small motors?
Message-ID: <0A56984A-EF6C-48E8-91C2-59363A1E39D4@tenhand.com>

I just salvaged parts from a curbside inkjet: a stepper, two gear motors, some optical sensors and some nice metal slides. Unfortunately, the motors seem to want around 20 volts, which means I can't use them on my heliostats project. 

Any takers?

Sent from my mobile

From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 17:48:28 2011
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 17:48:28 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Anyone need small motors?
In-Reply-To: <0A56984A-EF6C-48E8-91C2-59363A1E39D4@tenhand.com>
References: <0A56984A-EF6C-48E8-91C2-59363A1E39D4@tenhand.com>
Message-ID: <4ED196EC.1030201@gmail.com>

you might find they run ok at 12v, but without as much torque.

you can also put switching power supplies in series, because the outputs 
are isolated relative to ground, so you can generate something close to 20

On 11/26/2011 02:16 PM, myles wrote:
> I just salvaged parts from a curbside inkjet: a stepper, two gear motors, some optical sensors and some nice metal slides. Unfortunately, the motors seem to want around 20 volts, which means I can't use them on my heliostats project.
>
> Any takers?
>
> Sent from my mobile
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teachmetomake.wordpress.com
Interested in classes? Join http://groups.google.com/group/teach-me-to-make


From albill at openbuddha.com  Sat Nov 26 23:06:20 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 23:06:20 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Group Buy on *good* mini mill?
Message-ID: <4ED1E16C.8000200@openbuddha.com>

I'm interested in seeing if there is interest in doing a group buy on a 
good mini mill for AMT.

Specifically, I'm thinking of the HiTorque Mini Mill (see 
http://www.littlemachineshop.com/3900). You can see a comparison chart 
at http://www.littlemachineshop.com/Info/minimill_compare.php. This is 
the best of the lot (I don't think it is worth getting a cheaper one 
just to save $100). I've seen the brushless motors called out as making 
a big difference.

With freight shipping, we'd be looking at a maximum of around $970 
(probably less since they are in California).

I would like to see if I can get ten people to go in on this, which 
would get it down to around $100 a person. I don't know if there is 
enough interest to do so though.

Al


From james.d.mulroy at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 23:29:56 2011
From: james.d.mulroy at gmail.com (James Mulroy)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 23:29:56 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Group Buy on *good* mini mill?
In-Reply-To: <4ED1E16C.8000200@openbuddha.com>
References: <4ED1E16C.8000200@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <CAC+6smasn7+XTmN8h8mTHanQH1yPjkuDU7wMJYSZ_rO8VpS11g@mail.gmail.com>

Quite frankly, the only reason that I haven't joined AMT is because you
guys don't have any serious metal working tools.

I have a suggestion, how about getting a "real" mill?  I'll talk to my
machining instructors (I'm in a machinist program) about where you might be
able to pick up low cost equipment.  If you can get a mini mill for 100 a
person then for, say, five times that you might be able to get a fully
functional used Prototrak which can do both manual and basic CNC (and the
programming is extremely simple, very different than your typical CNC.
 It's programmed right at the console.).

You'd be able to do "real" machining as well as everything that the little
mill can do.  It would definitely be more beneficial in helping you gain
more members.

Obviously you'd have to get some tooling and what not for it but that would
be a long-term thing, something that you build up over time.  You can pick
up some collets and chucks for everyone to use and then require members
that want to use the machines to buy their own mills, bits, etc.

Just a thought...It is *more* than worth the extra cost.  Heck, you guys
managed to get a fancy new laser cutter didn't you?

-James

On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Al Jigen Billings
<albill at openbuddha.com>wrote:

> I'm interested in seeing if there is interest in doing a group buy on a
> good mini mill for AMT.
>
> Specifically, I'm thinking of the HiTorque Mini Mill (see
> http://www.littlemachineshop.**com/3900<http://www.littlemachineshop.com/3900>).
> You can see a comparison chart at http://www.littlemachineshop.**
> com/Info/minimill_compare.php<http://www.littlemachineshop.com/Info/minimill_compare.php>.
> This is the best of the lot (I don't think it is worth getting a cheaper
> one just to save $100). I've seen the brushless motors called out as making
> a big difference.
>
> With freight shipping, we'd be looking at a maximum of around $970
> (probably less since they are in California).
>
> I would like to see if I can get ten people to go in on this, which would
> get it down to around $100 a person. I don't know if there is enough
> interest to do so though.
>
> Al
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>



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Freelance Writer <http://www.pcworld.com/author/James-Mulroy>
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Sat Nov 26 23:47:41 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (albill at openbuddha.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 23:47:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AMTD] Group Buy on *good* mini mill?
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From robertcook at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 09:23:27 2011
From: robertcook at gmail.com (Robert Cook)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 09:23:27 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Group Buy on *good* mini mill?
In-Reply-To: <848837826.28099.1322380063206.JavaMail.seven@ap11.p0.sjc.7sys.net>
References: <848837826.28099.1322380063206.JavaMail.seven@ap11.p0.sjc.7sys.net>
Message-ID: <E6E9C853-B3F6-4A3A-BD22-9DCAFCFA9AAF@gmail.com>

I think this is a good way to ease into metalworking.  I'd be willing to put in $100 and a bit more, if needed. 

On Nov 26, 2011, at 11:47 PM, "albill at openbuddha.com" <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:

> Well, no, seven of us managed to get the laser cutter and no one has been paid back for it yet.
> 
> The problem with the suggestion, as good as it is, is that I doubt that there are ten members ready to pony up $500 each for a piece of equipment that two or three of us may be able to use to start.
> 
> We're entirely self-funded by the members. Perhaps after the 501c3 is finished we may get donated more heavy equipment (that's how the Crucible got their mills and lathes).
> 
> Getting 10 people to donate $100 each is a lot more likely right now.
> 
> Al
> 
> 
> -------- Original message -------- Subject: Re: [AMTD] Group Buy on *good* mini mill? From: James Mulroy   To: albill at openbuddha.com CC: discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org 
> 
> Quite frankly, the only reason that I haven't joined AMT is because you guys don't have any serious metal working tools.  
> 
> I have a suggestion, how about getting a "real" mill?  I'll talk to my machining instructors (I'm in a machinist program) about where you might be able to pick up low cost equipment.  If you can get a mini mill for 100 a person then for, say, five times that you might be able to get a fully functional used Prototrak which can do both manual and basic CNC (and the programming is extremely simple, very different than your typical CNC.  It's programmed right at the console.).  
> 
> You'd be able to do "real" machining as well as everything that the little mill can do.  It would definitely be more beneficial in helping you gain more members.
> 
> Obviously you'd have to get some tooling and what not for it but that would be a long-term thing, something that you build up over time.  You can pick up some collets and chucks for everyone to use and then require members that want to use the machines to buy their own mills, bits, etc.  
> 
> Just a thought...It is more than worth the extra cost.  Heck, you guys managed to get a fancy new laser cutter didn't you?
> 
> -James
> 
> On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> I'm interested in seeing if there is interest in doing a group buy on a good mini mill for AMT.
> 
> Specifically, I'm thinking of the HiTorque Mini Mill (see http://www.littlemachineshop.com/3900). You can see a comparison chart at http://www.littlemachineshop.com/Info/minimill_compare.php. This is the best of the lot (I don't think it is worth getting a cheaper one just to save $100). I've seen the brushless motors called out as making a big difference.
> 
> With freight shipping, we'd be looking at a maximum of around $970 (probably less since they are in California).
> 
> I would like to see if I can get ten people to go in on this, which would get it down to around $100 a person. I don't know if there is enough interest to do so though.
> 
> Al
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> 
> 
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> james.d.mulroy at gmail.com
> (920) 470-3473
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From atmanistan at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 09:51:54 2011
From: atmanistan at gmail.com (Sam Putman)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 09:51:54 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Group Buy on *good* mini mill?
In-Reply-To: <4ED1E16C.8000200@openbuddha.com>
References: <4ED1E16C.8000200@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <CANFD0BHzUSkzqkCW-JthO8MJvoi5cO4mzvyTwZjVDhG4oZrWDg@mail.gmail.com>

I think this is a great idea and I'm down for a hundred bucks.

But only for the precise, reliable-from-the-factory, made-in-the-USA Taig Mill:

http://www.taigtools.com/mmill.html

This isn't a case where cheaping out and buying any of the Chinese kit
is worth it. I can email Nick Carter any time about any problem I'm
having, or thing I want to try and do, and he'll be as helpful as you
can imagine.

cheers,
-Sam.

On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Al Jigen Billings
<albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> I'm interested in seeing if there is interest in doing a group buy on a good
> mini mill for AMT.
>
> Specifically, I'm thinking of the HiTorque Mini Mill (see
> http://www.littlemachineshop.com/3900). You can see a comparison chart at
> http://www.littlemachineshop.com/Info/minimill_compare.php. This is the best
> of the lot (I don't think it is worth getting a cheaper one just to save
> $100). I've seen the brushless motors called out as making a big difference.
>
> With freight shipping, we'd be looking at a maximum of around $970 (probably
> less since they are in California).
>
> I would like to see if I can get ten people to go in on this, which would
> get it down to around $100 a person. I don't know if there is enough
> interest to do so though.
>
> Al
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>


From atmanistan at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 09:54:43 2011
From: atmanistan at gmail.com (Sam Putman)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 09:54:43 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Group Buy on *good* mini mill?
In-Reply-To: <CAC+6smasn7+XTmN8h8mTHanQH1yPjkuDU7wMJYSZ_rO8VpS11g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ED1E16C.8000200@openbuddha.com>
	<CAC+6smasn7+XTmN8h8mTHanQH1yPjkuDU7wMJYSZ_rO8VpS11g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANFD0BH+3KYpvB2TVgJL4s-PU4y-x3Ym4gkU4y_egreYu6sbDw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi James,

AMT's tools are almost entirely donated or loaned by members. The
micro lathe and metal cutoff saw, for example, both belong to me, and
are on indefinite loan to the hackerspace.

I think you may have the order backwards: The only reason we don't
have any serious metalworking tools is  because you (or some other
member who actually has some gear and isn't just talking about it)
have not joined and donated/loaned said equipment.

cheers,
-Sam.

On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 11:29 PM, James Mulroy <james.d.mulroy at gmail.com> wrote:
> Quite frankly, the only reason that I haven't joined AMT is because you guys
> don't have any serious metal working tools.
> I have a suggestion, how about getting a "real" mill? ?I'll talk to my
> machining instructors (I'm in a machinist program) about where you might be
> able to pick up low cost equipment. ?If you can get a mini mill for 100 a
> person then for, say, five times that you might be able to get a fully
> functional used Prototrak which can do both manual and basic CNC (and the
> programming is extremely simple, very different than your typical CNC. ?It's
> programmed right at the console.).
> You'd be able to do "real" machining as well as everything that the little
> mill can do. ?It would definitely be more beneficial in helping you gain
> more members.
> Obviously you'd have to get some tooling and what not for it but that would
> be a long-term thing, something that you build up over time. ?You can pick
> up some collets and chucks for everyone to use and then require members that
> want to use the machines to buy their own mills, bits, etc.
> Just a thought...It is more than worth the extra cost. ?Heck, you guys
> managed to get a fancy new laser cutter didn't you?
> -James
>
> On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I'm interested in seeing if there is interest in doing a group buy on a
>> good mini mill for AMT.
>>
>> Specifically, I'm thinking of the HiTorque Mini Mill (see
>> http://www.littlemachineshop.com/3900). You can see a comparison chart at
>> http://www.littlemachineshop.com/Info/minimill_compare.php. This is the best
>> of the lot (I don't think it is worth getting a cheaper one just to save
>> $100). I've seen the brushless motors called out as making a big difference.
>>
>> With freight shipping, we'd be looking at a maximum of around $970
>> (probably less since they are in California).
>>
>> I would like to see if I can get ten people to go in on this, which would
>> get it down to around $100 a person. I don't know if there is enough
>> interest to do so though.
>>
>> Al
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From drorex at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 11:20:49 2011
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:20:49 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Group Buy on *good* mini mill?
In-Reply-To: <CANFD0BHzUSkzqkCW-JthO8MJvoi5cO4mzvyTwZjVDhG4oZrWDg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ED1E16C.8000200@openbuddha.com>
	<CANFD0BHzUSkzqkCW-JthO8MJvoi5cO4mzvyTwZjVDhG4oZrWDg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACAQXe+qa6cQQ4fbA5rFZZHh3_WMUdKMA58O9KpOXdbGf7Fk8Q@mail.gmail.com>

I'm in for $100 as well. I dont know anything about metalworking so i cant
comment on the different makers of the mills. Having one that is possible
to diy upgrade to CNC would be cool. The taig seems roughly similar in
specs to the chinese one except the spindle motor seems to be half the
power?
On Nov 27, 2011 9:52 AM, "Sam Putman" <atmanistan at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think this is a great idea and I'm down for a hundred bucks.
>
> But only for the precise, reliable-from-the-factory, made-in-the-USA Taig
> Mill:
>
> http://www.taigtools.com/mmill.html
>
> This isn't a case where cheaping out and buying any of the Chinese kit
> is worth it. I can email Nick Carter any time about any problem I'm
> having, or thing I want to try and do, and he'll be as helpful as you
> can imagine.
>
> cheers,
> -Sam.
>
> On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Al Jigen Billings
> <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> > I'm interested in seeing if there is interest in doing a group buy on a
> good
> > mini mill for AMT.
> >
> > Specifically, I'm thinking of the HiTorque Mini Mill (see
> > http://www.littlemachineshop.com/3900). You can see a comparison chart
> at
> > http://www.littlemachineshop.com/Info/minimill_compare.php. This is the
> best
> > of the lot (I don't think it is worth getting a cheaper one just to save
> > $100). I've seen the brushless motors called out as making a big
> difference.
> >
> > With freight shipping, we'd be looking at a maximum of around $970
> (probably
> > less since they are in California).
> >
> > I would like to see if I can get ten people to go in on this, which would
> > get it down to around $100 a person. I don't know if there is enough
> > interest to do so though.
> >
> > Al
> > _______________________________________________
> > Discuss mailing list
> > Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> >
> _______________________________________________
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Sun Nov 27 11:21:29 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:21:29 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Group Buy on *good* mini mill?
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXe+qa6cQQ4fbA5rFZZHh3_WMUdKMA58O9KpOXdbGf7Fk8Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ED1E16C.8000200@openbuddha.com>
	<CANFD0BHzUSkzqkCW-JthO8MJvoi5cO4mzvyTwZjVDhG4oZrWDg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACAQXe+qa6cQQ4fbA5rFZZHh3_WMUdKMA58O9KpOXdbGf7Fk8Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ED28DB9.30209@openbuddha.com>

On 11/27/11 11:20 AM, David Rorex wrote:
>
> I'm in for $100 as well. I dont know anything about metalworking so i 
> cant comment on the different makers of the mills. Having one that is 
> possible to diy upgrade to CNC would be cool. The taig seems roughly 
> similar in specs to the chinese one except the spindle motor seems to 
> be half the power?
>

The Taig is a micro and the Chinese one is a mini.

Al


From atmanistan at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 11:35:05 2011
From: atmanistan at gmail.com (Sam Putman)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:35:05 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Group Buy on *good* mini mill?
In-Reply-To: <4ED28DB9.30209@openbuddha.com>
References: <4ED1E16C.8000200@openbuddha.com>
	<CANFD0BHzUSkzqkCW-JthO8MJvoi5cO4mzvyTwZjVDhG4oZrWDg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACAQXe+qa6cQQ4fbA5rFZZHh3_WMUdKMA58O9KpOXdbGf7Fk8Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED28DB9.30209@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <CANFD0BHrZ4MjA7X+7T53fObfUY-3Tf5US71iioHO5EAYKmEgqg@mail.gmail.com>

The Chinese mill:

X: 11.2"
Y: 5.1"
Z: 9.3"

The Taig:

X: 12"
Y: 5.5"
Z: 6"

It isn't especially helpful to consider the Taig as a smaller machine.

The Taig is a 'true inch' machine, calibrated in thou; the Sieg
machines are metric with inch handwheels, making for some weird amount
of movement per revolution (instead of .05 inch, the gold standard for
us  Imperial types).

The Taig is also made in the United States by the kind of people the
maker and hackerspace movement are, IMHO, ethically bound to support.
I would feel like a dick if I went in, with a bunch of Americans, on a
machine tool from China, with a perfectly good and affordable
alternative available from the US, and then that US company went out
of business.

FYI, I love China and all things Chinese, and last time around I was
the biggest booster of buying Chinese. That's because there isn't a
cheap, awesome American laser to buy. Sieg tools doesn't need our
business; Taig and Nick Carter do.

cheers,
-Sam.

On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Al Jigen Billings
<albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> On 11/27/11 11:20 AM, David Rorex wrote:
>>
>> I'm in for $100 as well. I dont know anything about metalworking so i cant
>> comment on the different makers of the mills. Having one that is possible to
>> diy upgrade to CNC would be cool. The taig seems roughly similar in specs to
>> the chinese one except the spindle motor seems to be half the power?
>>
>
> The Taig is a micro and the Chinese one is a mini.
>
> Al
>


From albill at openbuddha.com  Sun Nov 27 11:41:13 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:41:13 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Group Buy on *good* mini mill?
In-Reply-To: <CANFD0BHrZ4MjA7X+7T53fObfUY-3Tf5US71iioHO5EAYKmEgqg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ED1E16C.8000200@openbuddha.com>
	<CANFD0BHzUSkzqkCW-JthO8MJvoi5cO4mzvyTwZjVDhG4oZrWDg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACAQXe+qa6cQQ4fbA5rFZZHh3_WMUdKMA58O9KpOXdbGf7Fk8Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED28DB9.30209@openbuddha.com>
	<CANFD0BHrZ4MjA7X+7T53fObfUY-3Tf5US71iioHO5EAYKmEgqg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ED29259.8070805@openbuddha.com>

On 11/27/11 11:35 AM, Sam Putman wrote:
> The Taig is also made in the United States by the kind of people the
> maker and hackerspace movement are, IMHO, ethically bound to support.
> I would feel like a dick if I went in, with a bunch of Americans, on a
> machine tool from China, with a perfectly good and affordable
> alternative available from the US, and then that US company went out
> of business.
You mean like buying a Chinese laser? :-)

Al


From james.d.mulroy at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 11:42:10 2011
From: james.d.mulroy at gmail.com (james.d.mulroy at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 19:42:10 +0000
Subject: [AMTD] Group Buy on *good* mini mill?
In-Reply-To: <CANFD0BHrZ4MjA7X+7T53fObfUY-3Tf5US71iioHO5EAYKmEgqg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ED1E16C.8000200@openbuddha.com>
	<CANFD0BHzUSkzqkCW-JthO8MJvoi5cO4mzvyTwZjVDhG4oZrWDg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACAQXe+qa6cQQ4fbA5rFZZHh3_WMUdKMA58O9KpOXdbGf7Fk8Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED28DB9.30209@openbuddha.com>
	<CANFD0BHrZ4MjA7X+7T53fObfUY-3Tf5US71iioHO5EAYKmEgqg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <306615682-1322422930-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-372476588-@b11.c29.bise6.blackberry>

One of my instructors once said something along the lines of "why buy one really expensive American made micrometer when you can buy 6 Chinese made Harbor Freight ones for the same price and accuracy" (assuming you know how to test them before hand and find the 1 of 3 good ones).  Then again, the Chinese one sounds pretty bizarre.  Can't say that rule applies here.
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Putman <atmanistan at gmail.com>
Sender: discuss-bounces at lists.acemonstertoys.org
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:35:05 
To: Al Jigen Billings<albill at openbuddha.com>
Cc: <discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org>
Subject: Re: [AMTD] Group Buy on *good* mini mill?

The Chinese mill:

X: 11.2"
Y: 5.1"
Z: 9.3"

The Taig:

X: 12"
Y: 5.5"
Z: 6"

It isn't especially helpful to consider the Taig as a smaller machine.

The Taig is a 'true inch' machine, calibrated in thou; the Sieg
machines are metric with inch handwheels, making for some weird amount
of movement per revolution (instead of .05 inch, the gold standard for
us  Imperial types).

The Taig is also made in the United States by the kind of people the
maker and hackerspace movement are, IMHO, ethically bound to support.
I would feel like a dick if I went in, with a bunch of Americans, on a
machine tool from China, with a perfectly good and affordable
alternative available from the US, and then that US company went out
of business.

FYI, I love China and all things Chinese, and last time around I was
the biggest booster of buying Chinese. That's because there isn't a
cheap, awesome American laser to buy. Sieg tools doesn't need our
business; Taig and Nick Carter do.

cheers,
-Sam.

On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Al Jigen Billings
<albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> On 11/27/11 11:20 AM, David Rorex wrote:
>>
>> I'm in for $100 as well. I dont know anything about metalworking so i cant
>> comment on the different makers of the mills. Having one that is possible to
>> diy upgrade to CNC would be cool. The taig seems roughly similar in specs to
>> the chinese one except the spindle motor seems to be half the power?
>>
>
> The Taig is a micro and the Chinese one is a mini.
>
> Al
>
_______________________________________________
Discuss mailing list
Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss

From atmanistan at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 11:51:37 2011
From: atmanistan at gmail.com (Sam Putman)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:51:37 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Group Buy on *good* mini mill?
In-Reply-To: <306615682-1322422930-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-372476588-@b11.c29.bise6.blackberry>
References: <4ED1E16C.8000200@openbuddha.com>
	<CANFD0BHzUSkzqkCW-JthO8MJvoi5cO4mzvyTwZjVDhG4oZrWDg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACAQXe+qa6cQQ4fbA5rFZZHh3_WMUdKMA58O9KpOXdbGf7Fk8Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED28DB9.30209@openbuddha.com>
	<CANFD0BHrZ4MjA7X+7T53fObfUY-3Tf5US71iioHO5EAYKmEgqg@mail.gmail.com>
	<306615682-1322422930-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-372476588-@b11.c29.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <CANFD0BH+XobzcCs0Kh0W9ZapRTrvqAQcnkzpDZ=k-0xt_eXVrA@mail.gmail.com>

In this case, the base price of the Chinese machine is $740, the Taig
with the larger X axis and the better motor is ~$1000. The extra money
goes more into quality than into the American origin of the tool.

-sam.

On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:42 AM,  <james.d.mulroy at gmail.com> wrote:
> One of my instructors once said something along the lines of "why buy one really expensive American made micrometer when you can buy 6 Chinese made Harbor Freight ones for the same price and accuracy" (assuming you know how to test them before hand and find the 1 of 3 good ones). ?Then again, the Chinese one sounds pretty bizarre. ?Can't say that rule applies here.
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sam Putman <atmanistan at gmail.com>
> Sender: discuss-bounces at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:35:05
> To: Al Jigen Billings<albill at openbuddha.com>
> Cc: <discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org>
> Subject: Re: [AMTD] Group Buy on *good* mini mill?
>
> The Chinese mill:
>
> X: 11.2"
> Y: 5.1"
> Z: 9.3"
>
> The Taig:
>
> X: 12"
> Y: 5.5"
> Z: 6"
>
> It isn't especially helpful to consider the Taig as a smaller machine.
>
> The Taig is a 'true inch' machine, calibrated in thou; the Sieg
> machines are metric with inch handwheels, making for some weird amount
> of movement per revolution (instead of .05 inch, the gold standard for
> us ?Imperial types).
>
> The Taig is also made in the United States by the kind of people the
> maker and hackerspace movement are, IMHO, ethically bound to support.
> I would feel like a dick if I went in, with a bunch of Americans, on a
> machine tool from China, with a perfectly good and affordable
> alternative available from the US, and then that US company went out
> of business.
>
> FYI, I love China and all things Chinese, and last time around I was
> the biggest booster of buying Chinese. That's because there isn't a
> cheap, awesome American laser to buy. Sieg tools doesn't need our
> business; Taig and Nick Carter do.
>
> cheers,
> -Sam.
>
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Al Jigen Billings
> <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
>> On 11/27/11 11:20 AM, David Rorex wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm in for $100 as well. I dont know anything about metalworking so i cant
>>> comment on the different makers of the mills. Having one that is possible to
>>> diy upgrade to CNC would be cool. The taig seems roughly similar in specs to
>>> the chinese one except the spindle motor seems to be half the power?
>>>
>>
>> The Taig is a micro and the Chinese one is a mini.
>>
>> Al
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>


From myles at tenhand.com  Sun Nov 27 12:14:14 2011
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles conley)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 12:14:14 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Group Buy on *good* mini mill?
In-Reply-To: <4ED1E16C.8000200@openbuddha.com>
References: <4ED1E16C.8000200@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <62F343A7-1F22-418D-B23C-C4B5D2A3EF2A@tenhand.com>

1) Will someone *please* fix the damn list so that it replies to the list, not the last poster? 

2) I'm in for at least $100 on the mill. 


And 2 things for people who've done the research:

How much should we expect to add to the mill cost for tools, collets, cutting fluid & etc?  I know that the purchases won't stop with the mill. 

What CAM program are we going to have to use to get this to work? Will this require solidworks ($$$) to actually use? 


On Nov 26, 2011, at 11:06 PM, Al Jigen Billings wrote:

> I'm interested in seeing if there is interest in doing a group buy on a good mini mill for AMT.
> 
> Specifically, I'm thinking of the HiTorque Mini Mill (see http://www.littlemachineshop.com/3900). You can see a comparison chart at http://www.littlemachineshop.com/Info/minimill_compare.php. This is the best of the lot (I don't think it is worth getting a cheaper one just to save $100). I've seen the brushless motors called out as making a big difference.
> 
> With freight shipping, we'd be looking at a maximum of around $970 (probably less since they are in California).
> 
> I would like to see if I can get ten people to go in on this, which would get it down to around $100 a person. I don't know if there is enough interest to do so though.
> 
> Al
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss



From albill at openbuddha.com  Sun Nov 27 12:16:41 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 12:16:41 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Group Buy on *good* mini mill?
In-Reply-To: <62F343A7-1F22-418D-B23C-C4B5D2A3EF2A@tenhand.com>
References: <4ED1E16C.8000200@openbuddha.com>
	<62F343A7-1F22-418D-B23C-C4B5D2A3EF2A@tenhand.com>
Message-ID: <4ED29AA9.6040901@openbuddha.com>

On 11/27/11 12:14 PM, myles conley wrote:
> 1) Will someone*please*  fix the damn list so that it replies to the list, not the last poster?

I think we had yet another poll on this.

I'll be bringing it up at the board meeting since our admins clearly 
don't like the option, complaints from users (like you and me) aside.

Al
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From myles at tenhand.com  Sun Nov 27 13:17:16 2011
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles conley)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 13:17:16 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Random sunday afternoon activity
Message-ID: <CE2E19ED-A070-4AE9-9DE6-61AF6C5CBD12@tenhand.com>


This morning I tripped over a a  a project I never finished: making solar walkway lights that don't suck. I'll be in the space after about 2:30. If anyone wants to kibitz, I've got enough parts for all.  

From drorex at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 13:31:21 2011
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 13:31:21 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Group Buy on *good* mini mill?
In-Reply-To: <4ED29AA9.6040901@openbuddha.com>
References: <4ED1E16C.8000200@openbuddha.com>
	<62F343A7-1F22-418D-B23C-C4B5D2A3EF2A@tenhand.com>
	<4ED29AA9.6040901@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <CACAQXeL8-7X-XR7X4Vua_87yvFb_tfXxrmV5SioCM+eh4LFJDQ@mail.gmail.com>

I was about to change the setting just so I don't have to listen to you
guys complain anymore, but I dunno the password for the mailing list admin
page. I think we might need to wait for our sysadmin to get back in town

I started a wiki page for the mills, and the start of a simple comparison
chart:
http://wiki.acemonstertoys.org/Mini_Mill


On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Al Jigen Billings
<albill at openbuddha.com>wrote:

>  On 11/27/11 12:14 PM, myles conley wrote:
>
> 1) Will someone **please** fix the damn list so that it replies to the list, not the last poster?
>
>
> I think we had yet another poll on this.
>
> I'll be bringing it up at the board meeting since our admins clearly don't
> like the option, complaints from users (like you and me) aside.
>
> Al
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
>
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Sun Nov 27 13:45:35 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 13:45:35 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Group Buy on *good* mini mill?
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXeL8-7X-XR7X4Vua_87yvFb_tfXxrmV5SioCM+eh4LFJDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ED1E16C.8000200@openbuddha.com>
	<62F343A7-1F22-418D-B23C-C4B5D2A3EF2A@tenhand.com>
	<4ED29AA9.6040901@openbuddha.com>
	<CACAQXeL8-7X-XR7X4Vua_87yvFb_tfXxrmV5SioCM+eh4LFJDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ED2AF7F.4010505@openbuddha.com>

On 11/27/11 1:31 PM, David Rorex wrote:
> I was about to change the setting just so I don't have to listen to 
> you guys complain anymore, but I dunno the password for the mailing 
> list admin page. I think we might need to wait for our sysadmin to get 
> back in town
  Praise Jesus!

> I started a wiki page for the mills, and the start of a simple 
> comparison chart:
> http://wiki.acemonstertoys.org/Mini_Mill

Thank you!

Al



From albill at openbuddha.com  Sun Nov 27 14:00:08 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 14:00:08 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Nema23
Message-ID: <4ED2B2E8.2060208@openbuddha.com>

Anyone got a spare Nema23 motor?

I laser cut the parts to a 3D scanner (a mechanical lazy susan) from 
http://oomlout.co.uk/?p=413. I need a Nema23 (and a bunch of skate 
bearings) to finish it. I thought I'd ask before ordering.

Al



From michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 14:05:11 2011
From: michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com (Michael Shiloh)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 14:05:11 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Nema23
In-Reply-To: <4ED2B2E8.2060208@openbuddha.com>
References: <4ED2B2E8.2060208@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <4ED2B417.8080504@gmail.com>

i may have a couple, if it's worth it for you to drive to treasure island

m

On 11/27/2011 02:00 PM, Al Jigen Billings wrote:
> Anyone got a spare Nema23 motor?
>
> I laser cut the parts to a 3D scanner (a mechanical lazy susan) from
> http://oomlout.co.uk/?p=413. I need a Nema23 (and a bunch of skate
> bearings) to finish it. I thought I'd ask before ordering.
>
> Al
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>

-- 
Michael Shiloh
Artist, designer, tinkerer, teacher, geek
KA6RCQ
www.teachmetomake.com
teachmetomake.wordpress.com
Interested in classes? Join http://groups.google.com/group/teach-me-to-make


From slick at rebelbase.com  Sun Nov 27 16:57:39 2011
From: slick at rebelbase.com (slick)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 16:57:39 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Nema23
In-Reply-To: <4ED2B2E8.2060208@openbuddha.com>
References: <4ED2B2E8.2060208@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <CAMmuSotcbMPNFAc8ZqtgTTmksri0tBB0233h-t_HMzdRqHEcJQ@mail.gmail.com>

So I see the list STILL hasn't been fixed.

Al there are a couple Lin Engineering 5618S-58-01 Bipolar steppers in
my box of stuff, you are welcome to them.


On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Al Jigen Billings
<albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> Anyone got a spare Nema23 motor?
>
> I laser cut the parts to a 3D scanner (a mechanical lazy susan) from
> http://oomlout.co.uk/?p=413. I need a Nema23 (and a bunch of skate bearings)
> to finish it. I thought I'd ask before ordering.
>
> Al
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>


From slick at rebelbase.com  Sun Nov 27 17:18:58 2011
From: slick at rebelbase.com (slick)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:18:58 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Group Buy on *good* mini mill?
In-Reply-To: <4ED2AF7F.4010505@openbuddha.com>
References: <4ED1E16C.8000200@openbuddha.com>
	<62F343A7-1F22-418D-B23C-C4B5D2A3EF2A@tenhand.com>
	<4ED29AA9.6040901@openbuddha.com>
	<CACAQXeL8-7X-XR7X4Vua_87yvFb_tfXxrmV5SioCM+eh4LFJDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED2AF7F.4010505@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <CAMmuSou46-p2wzxJAQCM5EhXJAbJ4wyt7c2Oe7e0L5WyiAkbzQ@mail.gmail.com>

>From my own meager experience with chipper machines, the Taig is much
higher quality than the Chinese.

This looks alright, but might not be as good as a Taig but it has a
nice price tag.

http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=4223&category=1387807683



On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Al Jigen Billings
<albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> On 11/27/11 1:31 PM, David Rorex wrote:
>>
>> I was about to change the setting just so I don't have to listen to you
>> guys complain anymore, but I dunno the password for the mailing list admin
>> page. I think we might need to wait for our sysadmin to get back in town
>
> ?Praise Jesus!
>
>> I started a wiki page for the mills, and the start of a simple comparison
>> chart:
>> http://wiki.acemonstertoys.org/Mini_Mill
>
> Thank you!
>
> Al
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>


From slick at rebelbase.com  Sun Nov 27 17:24:50 2011
From: slick at rebelbase.com (slick)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:24:50 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Group Buy on *good* mini mill?
In-Reply-To: <CAMmuSou46-p2wzxJAQCM5EhXJAbJ4wyt7c2Oe7e0L5WyiAkbzQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ED1E16C.8000200@openbuddha.com>
	<62F343A7-1F22-418D-B23C-C4B5D2A3EF2A@tenhand.com>
	<4ED29AA9.6040901@openbuddha.com>
	<CACAQXeL8-7X-XR7X4Vua_87yvFb_tfXxrmV5SioCM+eh4LFJDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED2AF7F.4010505@openbuddha.com>
	<CAMmuSou46-p2wzxJAQCM5EhXJAbJ4wyt7c2Oe7e0L5WyiAkbzQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMmuSoufLsA5z-M+Rs7qQJNfuSw1eY6f49eWP3mzoAk2_476Bg@mail.gmail.com>

To answer Myles question, this would be an ok starter pack of some of
the accessories
http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=1262


On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 5:18 PM, slick <slick at rebelbase.com> wrote:
> From my own meager experience with chipper machines, the Taig is much
> higher quality than the Chinese.
>
> This looks alright, but might not be as good as a Taig but it has a
> nice price tag.
>
> http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=4223&category=1387807683
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Al Jigen Billings
> <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
>> On 11/27/11 1:31 PM, David Rorex wrote:
>>>
>>> I was about to change the setting just so I don't have to listen to you
>>> guys complain anymore, but I dunno the password for the mailing list admin
>>> page. I think we might need to wait for our sysadmin to get back in town
>>
>> ?Praise Jesus!
>>
>>> I started a wiki page for the mills, and the start of a simple comparison
>>> chart:
>>> http://wiki.acemonstertoys.org/Mini_Mill
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Al
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>
>


From myles at tenhand.com  Sun Nov 27 17:34:16 2011
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles conley)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:34:16 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Group Buy on *good* mini mill?
In-Reply-To: <CAMmuSoufLsA5z-M+Rs7qQJNfuSw1eY6f49eWP3mzoAk2_476Bg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ED1E16C.8000200@openbuddha.com>
	<62F343A7-1F22-418D-B23C-C4B5D2A3EF2A@tenhand.com>
	<4ED29AA9.6040901@openbuddha.com>
	<CACAQXeL8-7X-XR7X4Vua_87yvFb_tfXxrmV5SioCM+eh4LFJDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED2AF7F.4010505@openbuddha.com>
	<CAMmuSou46-p2wzxJAQCM5EhXJAbJ4wyt7c2Oe7e0L5WyiAkbzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMmuSoufLsA5z-M+Rs7qQJNfuSw1eY6f49eWP3mzoAk2_476Bg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B96FC2BE-8EA7-4023-8E1D-77ECA4ECA8BE@tenhand.com>

Depth calibrator light (or just use paper? )
cutting fluid? 
That clamp thing that lets you find the edge when you flip your work? 
Taps? (or is that too high end a feature for minimal mill + unknown software? )

Can you tell I've helped other people but have no idea what I'm doing <grin>

What about software? 

On Nov 27, 2011, at 5:24 PM, slick wrote:

> To answer Myles question, this would be an ok starter pack of some of
> the accessories
> http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=1262
> 
> 
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 5:18 PM, slick <slick at rebelbase.com> wrote:
>> From my own meager experience with chipper machines, the Taig is much
>> higher quality than the Chinese.
>> 
>> This looks alright, but might not be as good as a Taig but it has a
>> nice price tag.
>> 
>> http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=4223&category=1387807683
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Al Jigen Billings
>> <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
>>> On 11/27/11 1:31 PM, David Rorex wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I was about to change the setting just so I don't have to listen to you
>>>> guys complain anymore, but I dunno the password for the mailing list admin
>>>> page. I think we might need to wait for our sysadmin to get back in town
>>> 
>>>  Praise Jesus!
>>> 
>>>> I started a wiki page for the mills, and the start of a simple comparison
>>>> chart:
>>>> http://wiki.acemonstertoys.org/Mini_Mill
>>> 
>>> Thank you!
>>> 
>>> Al
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>> 
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss



From myles at tenhand.com  Sun Nov 27 20:24:36 2011
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles conley)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 20:24:36 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Book scanner update
Message-ID: <332D2989-4298-481B-B922-E9EF22DE957A@tenhand.com>



Last version of the scanner parts now published at http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:14047

Looks like there are 1-2 people on the book scanner forum who may be interested in a scanner at $120. If they confirm, I may ask someone to burn a copy. 




From romanian at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 20:57:23 2011
From: romanian at gmail.com (Stefan Hristu)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:57:23 -0600
Subject: [AMTD] Group Buy on *good* mini mill?
In-Reply-To: <B96FC2BE-8EA7-4023-8E1D-77ECA4ECA8BE@tenhand.com>
References: <4ED1E16C.8000200@openbuddha.com>
	<62F343A7-1F22-418D-B23C-C4B5D2A3EF2A@tenhand.com>
	<4ED29AA9.6040901@openbuddha.com>
	<CACAQXeL8-7X-XR7X4Vua_87yvFb_tfXxrmV5SioCM+eh4LFJDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED2AF7F.4010505@openbuddha.com>
	<CAMmuSou46-p2wzxJAQCM5EhXJAbJ4wyt7c2Oe7e0L5WyiAkbzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMmuSoufLsA5z-M+Rs7qQJNfuSw1eY6f49eWP3mzoAk2_476Bg@mail.gmail.com>
	<B96FC2BE-8EA7-4023-8E1D-77ECA4ECA8BE@tenhand.com>
Message-ID: <CAPdpSwwo9stHLg06PYpfZfSPEn-BS7H4azj23u9Fy8MWre1c7A@mail.gmail.com>

as far as I am concerned, I want decent power at lower RPM (for
metal/aluminium cutting), one thousand of an inch precision and an R-8
collet.

I have floated the idea before of acquiring a grizzly g0704 and add-on
ballscrews and CNC capabilities, see http://www.g0704.com/. This guy
is a machinist of many years and has played around with many
mills/lathes and motors/drivers, etc that one can fit onto them to
turn them in CNC and increase performance and usability.
the option would come out at around 2-2.5k for a working setup (with
some end mills, milling vise, dials, etc.)

The two options posted before seen to be more aimed at engraving metal
or making really tiny parts. Lack of power and cheapness of components
will just create another Guido :P The g0704 option is still fairly
small (400 pounds, not a 5k pound knee mill) and with decent
capabilities.

That said, I am not currently around the 'yay until next year, so this
is just food for thought. I might obtain this setup myself at some
point given the cash and job/living setup is settled. I would also
have to sell my drz 400 sm to get some funding.


Stefan

On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 7:34 PM, myles conley <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:
> Depth calibrator light (or just use paper? )
> cutting fluid?
> That clamp thing that lets you find the edge when you flip your work?
> Taps? (or is that too high end a feature for minimal mill + unknown software? )
>
> Can you tell I've helped other people but have no idea what I'm doing <grin>
>
> What about software?
>
> On Nov 27, 2011, at 5:24 PM, slick wrote:
>
>> To answer Myles question, this would be an ok starter pack of some of
>> the accessories
>> http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=1262
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 5:18 PM, slick <slick at rebelbase.com> wrote:
>>> From my own meager experience with chipper machines, the Taig is much
>>> higher quality than the Chinese.
>>>
>>> This looks alright, but might not be as good as a Taig but it has a
>>> nice price tag.
>>>
>>> http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=4223&category=1387807683
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Al Jigen Billings
>>> <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
>>>> On 11/27/11 1:31 PM, David Rorex wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I was about to change the setting just so I don't have to listen to you
>>>>> guys complain anymore, but I dunno the password for the mailing list admin
>>>>> page. I think we might need to wait for our sysadmin to get back in town
>>>>
>>>> ?Praise Jesus!
>>>>
>>>>> I started a wiki page for the mills, and the start of a simple comparison
>>>>> chart:
>>>>> http://wiki.acemonstertoys.org/Mini_Mill
>>>>
>>>> Thank you!
>>>>
>>>> Al
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Discuss mailing list
>>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>


From albill at openbuddha.com  Sun Nov 27 21:18:14 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 21:18:14 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Group Buy on *good* mini mill?
In-Reply-To: <CAPdpSwwo9stHLg06PYpfZfSPEn-BS7H4azj23u9Fy8MWre1c7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ED1E16C.8000200@openbuddha.com>
	<62F343A7-1F22-418D-B23C-C4B5D2A3EF2A@tenhand.com>
	<4ED29AA9.6040901@openbuddha.com>
	<CACAQXeL8-7X-XR7X4Vua_87yvFb_tfXxrmV5SioCM+eh4LFJDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED2AF7F.4010505@openbuddha.com>
	<CAMmuSou46-p2wzxJAQCM5EhXJAbJ4wyt7c2Oe7e0L5WyiAkbzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMmuSoufLsA5z-M+Rs7qQJNfuSw1eY6f49eWP3mzoAk2_476Bg@mail.gmail.com>
	<B96FC2BE-8EA7-4023-8E1D-77ECA4ECA8BE@tenhand.com>
	<CAPdpSwwo9stHLg06PYpfZfSPEn-BS7H4azj23u9Fy8MWre1c7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ED31996.6010009@openbuddha.com>

What is the overall cost of this scenario?

On 11/27/11 8:57 PM, Stefan Hristu wrote:
> as far as I am concerned, I want decent power at lower RPM (for
> metal/aluminium cutting), one thousand of an inch precision and an R-8
> collet.
>
> I have floated the idea before of acquiring a grizzly g0704 and add-on
> ballscrews and CNC capabilities, seehttp://www.g0704.com/. This guy
> is a machinist of many years and has played around with many
> mills/lathes and motors/drivers, etc that one can fit onto them to
> turn them in CNC and increase performance and usability.
> the option would come out at around 2-2.5k for a working setup (with
> some end mills, milling vise, dials, etc.)
>
> The two options posted before seen to be more aimed at engraving metal
> or making really tiny parts. Lack of power and cheapness of components
> will just create another Guido :P The g0704 option is still fairly
> small (400 pounds, not a 5k pound knee mill) and with decent
> capabilities.
>
> That said, I am not currently around the 'yay until next year, so this
> is just food for thought. I might obtain this setup myself at some
> point given the cash and job/living setup is settled. I would also
> have to sell my drz 400 sm to get some funding.



From romanian at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 21:27:06 2011
From: romanian at gmail.com (Stefan Hristu)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 23:27:06 -0600
Subject: [AMTD] Group Buy on *good* mini mill?
In-Reply-To: <4ED31996.6010009@openbuddha.com>
References: <4ED1E16C.8000200@openbuddha.com>
	<62F343A7-1F22-418D-B23C-C4B5D2A3EF2A@tenhand.com>
	<4ED29AA9.6040901@openbuddha.com>
	<CACAQXeL8-7X-XR7X4Vua_87yvFb_tfXxrmV5SioCM+eh4LFJDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED2AF7F.4010505@openbuddha.com>
	<CAMmuSou46-p2wzxJAQCM5EhXJAbJ4wyt7c2Oe7e0L5WyiAkbzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMmuSoufLsA5z-M+Rs7qQJNfuSw1eY6f49eWP3mzoAk2_476Bg@mail.gmail.com>
	<B96FC2BE-8EA7-4023-8E1D-77ECA4ECA8BE@tenhand.com>
	<CAPdpSwwo9stHLg06PYpfZfSPEn-BS7H4azj23u9Fy8MWre1c7A@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED31996.6010009@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <CAPdpSwzM4E+JmZ7Qx+DKy2kC2otLvQpYixVm2oC7eLgkH4qX4g@mail.gmail.com>

2,500 buckaroos was my estimate a while back. I have not looked
recently, as I do not have the means at the moment. I also prefer
private (small group) ownership and having items on free long term
lease to the space, as long as there is no designated group doing
maintenance and upkeep of AMT equipment.

also, I dont see anything wrong with buying something from China. They
bought mills from the US first :P so now I'm just buying it back.
slowly, the small scale production will come back to the US, through
things like hackerspaces, etc. the way I see it, buying tools/tolling
is a step in that direction. I am however opposed to buying
end-products from China, eg. things that a mill could make here.

romanian

On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Al Jigen Billings
<albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> What is the overall cost of this scenario?
>
> On 11/27/11 8:57 PM, Stefan Hristu wrote:
>>
>> as far as I am concerned, I want decent power at lower RPM (for
>> metal/aluminium cutting), one thousand of an inch precision and an R-8
>> collet.
>>
>> I have floated the idea before of acquiring a grizzly g0704 and add-on
>> ballscrews and CNC capabilities, seehttp://www.g0704.com/. This guy
>> is a machinist of many years and has played around with many
>> mills/lathes and motors/drivers, etc that one can fit onto them to
>> turn them in CNC and increase performance and usability.
>> the option would come out at around 2-2.5k for a working setup (with
>> some end mills, milling vise, dials, etc.)
>>
>> The two options posted before seen to be more aimed at engraving metal
>> or making really tiny parts. Lack of power and cheapness of components
>> will just create another Guido :P The g0704 option is still fairly
>> small (400 pounds, not a 5k pound knee mill) and with decent
>> capabilities.
>>
>> That said, I am not currently around the 'yay until next year, so this
>> is just food for thought. I might obtain this setup myself at some
>> point given the cash and job/living setup is settled. I would also
>> have to sell my drz 400 sm to get some funding.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>


From slick at rebelbase.com  Mon Nov 28 10:44:05 2011
From: slick at rebelbase.com (slick)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:44:05 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Group Buy on *good* mini mill?
In-Reply-To: <B96FC2BE-8EA7-4023-8E1D-77ECA4ECA8BE@tenhand.com>
References: <4ED1E16C.8000200@openbuddha.com>
	<62F343A7-1F22-418D-B23C-C4B5D2A3EF2A@tenhand.com>
	<4ED29AA9.6040901@openbuddha.com>
	<CACAQXeL8-7X-XR7X4Vua_87yvFb_tfXxrmV5SioCM+eh4LFJDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED2AF7F.4010505@openbuddha.com>
	<CAMmuSou46-p2wzxJAQCM5EhXJAbJ4wyt7c2Oe7e0L5WyiAkbzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMmuSoufLsA5z-M+Rs7qQJNfuSw1eY6f49eWP3mzoAk2_476Bg@mail.gmail.com>
	<B96FC2BE-8EA7-4023-8E1D-77ECA4ECA8BE@tenhand.com>
Message-ID: <CAMmuSosP+fCfZVMnTyfqXTkn-fKAKHt6NyuZ3t6kgt6SjnEEoA@mail.gmail.com>

As far as software goes, EMC2(free) or Mach3+lazycam ~$300
I lean toward the EMC2 cause I like open source and linux, and running
a mill with WinXP just seems wrong.

On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 5:34 PM, myles conley <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:
> Depth calibrator light (or just use paper? )
> cutting fluid?
> That clamp thing that lets you find the edge when you flip your work?
> Taps? (or is that too high end a feature for minimal mill + unknown software? )
>
> Can you tell I've helped other people but have no idea what I'm doing <grin>
>
> What about software?
>
> On Nov 27, 2011, at 5:24 PM, slick wrote:
>
>> To answer Myles question, this would be an ok starter pack of some of
>> the accessories
>> http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=1262
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 5:18 PM, slick <slick at rebelbase.com> wrote:
>>> From my own meager experience with chipper machines, the Taig is much
>>> higher quality than the Chinese.
>>>
>>> This looks alright, but might not be as good as a Taig but it has a
>>> nice price tag.
>>>
>>> http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=4223&category=1387807683
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Al Jigen Billings
>>> <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
>>>> On 11/27/11 1:31 PM, David Rorex wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I was about to change the setting just so I don't have to listen to you
>>>>> guys complain anymore, but I dunno the password for the mailing list admin
>>>>> page. I think we might need to wait for our sysadmin to get back in town
>>>>
>>>> ?Praise Jesus!
>>>>
>>>>> I started a wiki page for the mills, and the start of a simple comparison
>>>>> chart:
>>>>> http://wiki.acemonstertoys.org/Mini_Mill
>>>>
>>>> Thank you!
>>>>
>>>> Al
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Discuss mailing list
>>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>


From slick at rebelbase.com  Mon Nov 28 10:52:32 2011
From: slick at rebelbase.com (slick)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:52:32 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Group Buy on *good* mini mill?
In-Reply-To: <CAPdpSwwo9stHLg06PYpfZfSPEn-BS7H4azj23u9Fy8MWre1c7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ED1E16C.8000200@openbuddha.com>
	<62F343A7-1F22-418D-B23C-C4B5D2A3EF2A@tenhand.com>
	<4ED29AA9.6040901@openbuddha.com>
	<CACAQXeL8-7X-XR7X4Vua_87yvFb_tfXxrmV5SioCM+eh4LFJDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED2AF7F.4010505@openbuddha.com>
	<CAMmuSou46-p2wzxJAQCM5EhXJAbJ4wyt7c2Oe7e0L5WyiAkbzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMmuSoufLsA5z-M+Rs7qQJNfuSw1eY6f49eWP3mzoAk2_476Bg@mail.gmail.com>
	<B96FC2BE-8EA7-4023-8E1D-77ECA4ECA8BE@tenhand.com>
	<CAPdpSwwo9stHLg06PYpfZfSPEn-BS7H4azj23u9Fy8MWre1c7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMmuSotk5oaS8h=bOP5tThSmE3HrCCsPJJshoHon_m5iW3cv5g@mail.gmail.com>

Speaking of guido, I was planning on getting the ballscrews and a
spindle PS, cause I have same plastic I want to machine.

http://www.zentoolworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=119

48V, 1.3 A Power Supply
This is the power supply, but it has been "Out Of Stock" there for a
while.  Any one know where else I can buy a PS like this? Even used
would be ok if it is in good shape I think.

On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Stefan Hristu <romanian at gmail.com> wrote:
> as far as I am concerned, I want decent power at lower RPM (for
> metal/aluminium cutting), one thousand of an inch precision and an R-8
> collet.
>
> I have floated the idea before of acquiring a grizzly g0704 and add-on
> ballscrews and CNC capabilities, see http://www.g0704.com/. This guy
> is a machinist of many years and has played around with many
> mills/lathes and motors/drivers, etc that one can fit onto them to
> turn them in CNC and increase performance and usability.
> the option would come out at around 2-2.5k for a working setup (with
> some end mills, milling vise, dials, etc.)
>
> The two options posted before seen to be more aimed at engraving metal
> or making really tiny parts. Lack of power and cheapness of components
> will just create another Guido :P The g0704 option is still fairly
> small (400 pounds, not a 5k pound knee mill) and with decent
> capabilities.
>
> That said, I am not currently around the 'yay until next year, so this
> is just food for thought. I might obtain this setup myself at some
> point given the cash and job/living setup is settled. I would also
> have to sell my drz 400 sm to get some funding.
>
>
> Stefan
>
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 7:34 PM, myles conley <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:
>> Depth calibrator light (or just use paper? )
>> cutting fluid?
>> That clamp thing that lets you find the edge when you flip your work?
>> Taps? (or is that too high end a feature for minimal mill + unknown software? )
>>
>> Can you tell I've helped other people but have no idea what I'm doing <grin>
>>
>> What about software?
>>
>> On Nov 27, 2011, at 5:24 PM, slick wrote:
>>
>>> To answer Myles question, this would be an ok starter pack of some of
>>> the accessories
>>> http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=1262
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 5:18 PM, slick <slick at rebelbase.com> wrote:
>>>> From my own meager experience with chipper machines, the Taig is much
>>>> higher quality than the Chinese.
>>>>
>>>> This looks alright, but might not be as good as a Taig but it has a
>>>> nice price tag.
>>>>
>>>> http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=4223&category=1387807683
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Al Jigen Billings
>>>> <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 11/27/11 1:31 PM, David Rorex wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was about to change the setting just so I don't have to listen to you
>>>>>> guys complain anymore, but I dunno the password for the mailing list admin
>>>>>> page. I think we might need to wait for our sysadmin to get back in town
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Praise Jesus!
>>>>>
>>>>>> I started a wiki page for the mills, and the start of a simple comparison
>>>>>> chart:
>>>>>> http://wiki.acemonstertoys.org/Mini_Mill
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>
>>>>> Al
>>>>>
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Mon Nov 28 11:37:45 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:37:45 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Fwd: Make: Live Update
In-Reply-To: <CAGVwi_wzSggJv-=5R021QJXEsNZNEKF-Wi3fd1fSETqS4R-btA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGVwi_wzSggJv-=5R021QJXEsNZNEKF-Wi3fd1fSETqS4R-btA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ED3E309.5080200@openbuddha.com>

A word from our sponsors.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Make: Live Update
Date: 	Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:25:44 -0500
From: 	Matt Richardson

	



Hello,

Thank you so much for participating in Make: Live's second Hackerspace 
Roadshow 
<http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2011/11/make-lives-hackerspace-roadshow-ii-preview-video.html>. 
We've received all your video files and are currently editing them. So 
far everything looks great. We're getting really excited for this show!

A couple things to help us prepare:

  * If you could please send us the full name of each person that speaks
    on camera so that we can make sure we have the correct spelling on
    their lower third. Also, please tell us what they talk about on
    camera and what they look like so that we don't mix anyone up.
  * Send us links to anything you've referenced that want sent to our
    audience. We'll definitely be pointing our audience to your space's
    homepage, but let us know of any specific pages related to projects,
    events, people, or whatever you mention. These links will appear in
    the chat room live and will be archived in our show notes and blog
    posts about the show.
  * Please share the tune-in information
    <http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2011/11/make-lives-hackerspace-roadshow-ii-preview-video.html>
    with your networks. Every tweet, blog post, Facebook share, +1, etc.
    makes a big impact on the audience numbers. Also,
    http://makezine.com/live will also have all the tune-in details and
    will switch over to have an embedded live stream when the show
    happens. Use the hashtag #MakeLive on Twitter so that we can track
    the conversation.


On the show day:

  * The show airs live from Brooklyn, NY on Wednesday, November 30th at
    9pm ET, 6pm PT which works out to December 1st, 11am JT and 10am WST
    according to my (well, WolframAlpha's) calculations.
  * Tune in URLs: http://makezine.com/live or http://www.ustream.tv/makelive
  * We would love for you to join us in the chat. If you don't already
    have a Ustream account, please set one up. (Otherwise, your chat
    handle will be set as Ustreamer-023230923 or somesuch, which can be
    confusing.)
  * If you prefer using IRC, the server is c.ustream.tv
    <http://c.ustream.tv>. Use your Ustream username and password. The
    channel is #make-live.


After the show:

  * Within 12 hours, the videos will be launched on our YouTube channel,
    which has over 250,000 subscribers. We'll send links out after the show.
  * Again, any sharing with your networks is encouraged and appreciated.

If you have any questions, don't hesitate to send an email to me and 
Becky (cc'ed). I'll also hang out on Skype when I'm at my computer if 
you would rather talk than type. My Skype name is MattRichardson.

Thanks,
Matt Richardson
Video Producer, MAKE
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From ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com  Mon Nov 28 21:22:16 2011
From: ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com (Christopher Cook)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 21:22:16 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] =?windows-1252?q?Make=3A_Live=92s_Hackerspace_Roadshow_II_?=
	=?windows-1252?q?=28preview_video=29?=
Message-ID: <CAMDVYobfxfsEYWnD7H5vi9r=w+bdNguov6hztSOc_=4C21gsUQ@mail.gmail.com>

Creeperbot action!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=e2IGfuzOeCs
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Tue Nov 29 12:50:03 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 12:50:03 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Hackerspaces in China
Message-ID: <4ED5457B.50709@openbuddha.com>

http://www.3ders.org/articles/20111124-hackerspaces-in-china.html



From albill at openbuddha.com  Wed Nov 30 10:50:11 2011
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 10:50:11 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Fwd: Tonight: Hackerspace Roadshow II
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Tonight: Hackerspace Roadshow II
Date: 	Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:50:54 -0500
From: 	Matt Richardson <mattr at makezine.com>
To: 	Dave Menninger <dave.menninger at gmail.com>, chris at freaklabs.org, 
Daniel Harmsworth <atrophy at artifactory.org.au>, Al Billings 
<albill at openbuddha.com>, catarinamfmota at gmail.com, 
pennyfingers at gmail.com, Joe King <atom_bomb at rocketmail.com>, 
wwward at gmail.com, hudson at osresearch.net, meemer at gmail.com



Hello Hackerspace Members!

Join us for a Hackerspace Roadshow <http://makezine.com/live> tonight on 
Make: Live! This time, we have our passports ready to be stamped because 
we're taking the show international. We'll be checking in with Perth 
Artifactory in Australia and Tokyo Hackerspace in Japan. In the US, 
we'll hear from Ace Monster Toys in Oakland, CA, Hive13 in Cincinnati, 
OH, and NYC Resistor right here in Brooklyn, NY. Each hackerspace will 
give us a tour and show off a few of their members' projects. Perth 
Artifactory has a 30,000 volt MIDI instrument they call the Arcophone, 
which they'll play for us. Tokyo Hackerspace will show off their LOL 
Shield builds and how how they melt lead for their radiation detection 
experiments. Ace Monster Toys will show us their huge 100 watt laser 
cutter, LED blinking art, and a Minecraft Creeper bot. Hive13 will take 
us around their impressive space, will talk about their lock picking 
forensics group and their RGB LED window. And NYC Resistor members will 
demo their projects, including an Inspector Gadget inspired pop up book, 
a TV-B-Gone NES Light Gun, remote controlled HAM radio base station, and 
stylish RFID-blocking wallets. We'll have all that, a giveaway from 
Digi-Key, and so much more tonight on Make: Live.

As always, we appreciate all the help we can get spreading the word 
about tonight's episode. Any tweets, likes, shares, +1's, blog posts, 
etc. are always appreciated. Please also feel free to forward this email 
to your group's members.

Here's a retweet if you'd like to copy & paste:
RT @make: Tonight's #MakeLive is a Hackerspace Roadshow! Visit five 
hackerspaces around the globe 9pm ET/6pm PT makezine.com/live/ 
<http://makezine.com/live/>

Details about this episode:
Make: Live 21: Hackerspace Roadshow II 
<http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2011/11/make-lives-hackerspace-roadshow-ii-preview-video.html>
Wednesday November 30th at 9pm ET/6pm PT
Watch at makezine.com/live <http://makezine.com/live> or on UStream 
<http://www.ustream.tv/makelive>
Please join us in the UStream chat or mark tweets with #makelive to 
interact live with the show.

Thank you and I hope we'll see you in the chat tonight!
Matt
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From whimsicaltaxidermy at gmail.com  Fri Nov 25 17:51:21 2011
From: whimsicaltaxidermy at gmail.com (Sho Sho Smith)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 17:51:21 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Invitation to HackerMom's "Leave It to Beaver" Gallery Event,
	Sat 12/10!
Message-ID: <CADV4R=TV7vN4BEusYTu-wxZ6Z+J5cxUSTM5ToQqM9Q5o5eY83Q@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Friends of HackerMoms,

Here's a flyer and info about the HackerMoms art sale! It's Saturday 12/10,
12-5 pm in South Berkeley across Sweet Adeline cafe. We are so excited and
hope tons of people will come stuff our donation bra. Pass it on to
everyone and their mother, and thanks for getting behind it! Info about us
below, and at
http://mothership.hackermoms.org/leave-it-to-beaver-gallery-event/.

All the best,
Sho Sho


[image: beaverarts-112511-small.jpg]


Mothership HackerMoms: Projects. Friends. Inspiration. With Childcare.
We are the first women?s hackerspace [link], located in Oakland, CA. It?s
dedicated to giving mothers the time and space to explore DIY craft and
design, hacker/maker culture, entrepreneurship, and all manner of creative
expression. Because our kids learn by watching us, we provide on-site
childcare every time we meet. Interview at
http://www.510families.com/content/you-might-be-hackermom
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