From maltman23 at hotmail.com  Sun Jan  1 11:08:53 2012
From: maltman23 at hotmail.com (Mitch Altman)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 11:08:53 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Geeks & Depression panel from 28C3, and resources for help
Message-ID: <SNT102-W4261014FBF599E0A466E88B8900@phx.gbl>



I helped organize a panel at 28C3 about Geeks & Depression.  Here's a video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnfOOoTOrDE


And here is a link to a really good resource page that Saizai created, inspired by the panel.  Please check it out:

http://saizai.com/suicide.shtml


Best,

Mitch.

  		 	   		  

From robertcook at gmail.com  Mon Jan  2 18:03:35 2012
From: robertcook at gmail.com (Robert Cook)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 18:03:35 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Laser cutter problem?
Message-ID: <A51C0489-388E-42BA-8241-E30C689FEB2A@gmail.com>

Hey - I just tried cutting 9mm acrylic on the LAZER, but was unable to get through it.  I managed to cut through 3/8 inch (9.525 mm) a few weeks ago with no problem using two passes of 85 power at 10 speed.  Today, I tried three passes of 90 power @ 8 speed without success.  I cut from the same close-up distance in both cases.

I noticed a couple of things:

- The cut seems to be wider and the surface that was cut looks smoother.
- The laser housing seems to be black dirty looking.  Dirty, dirty laser.

It could be that my acrylic is somehow very different (both are acrylic, not plexiglass), and I suppose that I could double-check with my old material first before bothering you all on the listserve, but I have a feeling that the laser is either out of focus or there is smoke/soot blocking it.

Maybe somebody was lighting match heads and cap rolls again?




From me at robbiet.us  Mon Jan  2 18:09:28 2012
From: me at robbiet.us (Robbie Trencheny)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 18:09:28 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Laser cutter problem?
In-Reply-To: <A51C0489-388E-42BA-8241-E30C689FEB2A@gmail.com>
References: <A51C0489-388E-42BA-8241-E30C689FEB2A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPs-5xWaRDqqJVuMWsGcywO__dhHcM5pMQ1EYbgWBSncHYg55g@mail.gmail.com>

We were just talking about this on IRC. We know the laser is very dirty
which is causing issues for people. It seems to be getting normal abuse
however it has only been maybe 2-3 months since David and I cleaned the
head. I noticed the honeycomb is also looking worse for wear. Someone
suggested some water and a sponge would be good for that.

Last time David and I disassembled the laser head and cleaned the whole
thing out. It seemed to do much better after that so I guess we will have
to do that again.

Chris Cook mentioned that maybe we should hold classes for people to learn
how to clean the laser since it is quite a long process to do a thorough
cleaning. I think this would be fine but this is not a short term fix.
David and/or I need to clean it all out. Chris Cook also mentioned that the
pointer seems to be not aimed anymore.

On the same topic, on Thursday night I cleaned out the trap below the
laser. I noticed that there was a build up of crud on the back vent area,
so bad I had to use a chisel to remove it all, and some of it is still
there.

Robbie Trencheny (@robbie <http://twitter.com/robbie>)
Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
925-884-3728
robbie.io



On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Robert Cook <robertcook at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey - I just tried cutting 9mm acrylic on the LAZER, but was unable to get
> through it.  I managed to cut through 3/8 inch (9.525 mm) a few weeks ago
> with no problem using two passes of 85 power at 10 speed.  Today, I tried
> three passes of 90 power @ 8 speed without success.  I cut from the same
> close-up distance in both cases.
>
> I noticed a couple of things:
>
> - The cut seems to be wider and the surface that was cut looks smoother.
> - The laser housing seems to be black dirty looking.  Dirty, dirty laser.
>
> It could be that my acrylic is somehow very different (both are acrylic,
> not plexiglass), and I suppose that I could double-check with my old
> material first before bothering you all on the listserve, but I have a
> feeling that the laser is either out of focus or there is smoke/soot
> blocking it.
>
> Maybe somebody was lighting match heads and cap rolls again?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
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From drorex at gmail.com  Mon Jan  2 18:12:09 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 18:12:09 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Laser cutter problem?
In-Reply-To: <A51C0489-388E-42BA-8241-E30C689FEB2A@gmail.com>
References: <A51C0489-388E-42BA-8241-E30C689FEB2A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACAQXeJEAJNk3CO=PkNh3rLcAXB1dPVNgT=_899JCdt-JjtSFw@mail.gmail.com>

It's probably a combinations of both, out of alignment and dirty lens. The
alignment is easy to fix, dirty lens only a little more work.

Alignment:
1. Get a flat piece of material on the laser bed, and the laser head
positioned over the left most bit, and allllmost touching it but not quite
2. On the laser go into the menu / jog setting / 1.0mm
3. Fire a test laser dot, then jog right 2mm and lower z table 1 mm
4. Repeat 3 ten to twenty times, until it is obvious the burn spot is
getting bigger
5. See which dot is most in focus -- it will be the smallest (and possibly
darkest / deepest cut)
6. Count how many times you need to raise the z table to get back to that
setting
7. Fire another test dot, confirm it looks like a nice small in focus dot
8. Adjust red laser pointer so that the red dot overlaps the test dot you
just fired (don't bump/move the material between #7 and #8). Be very
careful, the metal housing of the laser pointer is live, hitting it with
anything metal could cause short circuit

Cleaning lens: (do with laser cutter powered off)
1. Be very careful, dont want to scratch the lens. Not super expensive, but
will probably take time to get a replacement
2. I think you have to detach the laser pointer first
3. unscrew the bottom of the lens head somewhere
4. pay careful attention to the orientation of the lens in the tube, you
need to put it back the same way up next time (the front & back of lens are
not symmetrical)
5. gently wipe any debris off the lens with a microfiber cloth or whatever
6. then use a little more force to clean it with a microfiber cloth and
rubbing alcohol to get and smoke that's adhered to the lens
7. put everything back the way it was
8. re-align the laser pointer


On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Robert Cook <robertcook at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey - I just tried cutting 9mm acrylic on the LAZER, but was unable to get
> through it.  I managed to cut through 3/8 inch (9.525 mm) a few weeks ago
> with no problem using two passes of 85 power at 10 speed.  Today, I tried
> three passes of 90 power @ 8 speed without success.  I cut from the same
> close-up distance in both cases.
>
> I noticed a couple of things:
>
> - The cut seems to be wider and the surface that was cut looks smoother.
> - The laser housing seems to be black dirty looking.  Dirty, dirty laser.
>
> It could be that my acrylic is somehow very different (both are acrylic,
> not plexiglass), and I suppose that I could double-check with my old
> material first before bothering you all on the listserve, but I have a
> feeling that the laser is either out of focus or there is smoke/soot
> blocking it.
>
> Maybe somebody was lighting match heads and cap rolls again?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Mon Jan  2 18:14:20 2012
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigong Billings)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 18:14:20 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Laser cutter problem?
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXeJEAJNk3CO=PkNh3rLcAXB1dPVNgT=_899JCdt-JjtSFw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A51C0489-388E-42BA-8241-E30C689FEB2A@gmail.com>
	<CACAQXeJEAJNk3CO=PkNh3rLcAXB1dPVNgT=_899JCdt-JjtSFw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E757945C-57F0-4A6A-839E-A3D1A0D13F8A@openbuddha.com>

Based on what I've seen, we've had a bunch of out of focus cutting recently with quite a bit of smoke.

I don't know that the laser is out of alignment but I think the lensing system is dirty again. We should probably schedule people to clean it once a month. Last time it was cleaned, it made a dramatic difference immediately.

Al



From drorex at gmail.com  Mon Jan  2 18:20:40 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 18:20:40 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Laser cutter problem?
In-Reply-To: <E757945C-57F0-4A6A-839E-A3D1A0D13F8A@openbuddha.com>
References: <A51C0489-388E-42BA-8241-E30C689FEB2A@gmail.com>
	<CACAQXeJEAJNk3CO=PkNh3rLcAXB1dPVNgT=_899JCdt-JjtSFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<E757945C-57F0-4A6A-839E-A3D1A0D13F8A@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <CACAQXe+UMi5kuoCmRm4EY+bVesdPXt1waOMdiU+tZ7aNTaFF7Q@mail.gmail.com>

The manual actually says to clean the lens daily, but that's probably
assuming heavy daily usage. So my random estimate is after every 5 hours of
cutting time. We have over 40 hours on the machine now, and we've cleaned
it once so far. If you know how to do it, cleaning & re-aligning the thing
is actually pretty easy, 5 or 10 minutes maybe

On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Al Jigong Billings <albill at openbuddha.com>wrote:

> Based on what I've seen, we've had a bunch of out of focus cutting
> recently with quite a bit of smoke.
>
> I don't know that the laser is out of alignment but I think the lensing
> system is dirty again. We should probably schedule people to clean it once
> a month. Last time it was cleaned, it made a dramatic difference
> immediately.
>
>
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From robertcook at gmail.com  Mon Jan  2 18:30:58 2012
From: robertcook at gmail.com (Robert Cook)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 18:30:58 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Laser cutter problem?
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXe+UMi5kuoCmRm4EY+bVesdPXt1waOMdiU+tZ7aNTaFF7Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A51C0489-388E-42BA-8241-E30C689FEB2A@gmail.com>
	<CACAQXeJEAJNk3CO=PkNh3rLcAXB1dPVNgT=_899JCdt-JjtSFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<E757945C-57F0-4A6A-839E-A3D1A0D13F8A@openbuddha.com>
	<CACAQXe+UMi5kuoCmRm4EY+bVesdPXt1waOMdiU+tZ7aNTaFF7Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43D7D738-3FB9-4D6B-8112-7FAF258877B5@gmail.com>

I'm happy to be shown how, but I don't think I'll attempt it just from written instructions alone (but if it were mine, I would.)

R

On Jan 2, 2012, at 6:20 PM, David Rorex wrote:

> The manual actually says to clean the lens daily, but that's probably assuming heavy daily usage. So my random estimate is after every 5 hours of cutting time. We have over 40 hours on the machine now, and we've cleaned it once so far. If you know how to do it, cleaning & re-aligning the thing is actually pretty easy, 5 or 10 minutes maybe
> 
> On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Al Jigong Billings <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> Based on what I've seen, we've had a bunch of out of focus cutting recently with quite a bit of smoke.
> 
> I don't know that the laser is out of alignment but I think the lensing system is dirty again. We should probably schedule people to clean it once a month. Last time it was cleaned, it made a dramatic difference immediately.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss

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From louise.s.fox at gmail.com  Mon Jan  2 21:43:26 2012
From: louise.s.fox at gmail.com (Louise Fox)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:43:26 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] YES!!! Awesome freestanding materials library from
 Inventables, free to a good home
In-Reply-To: <CAPxmc0Gy6maYWN0maO_yvFoAMUQ2XcMv080g=YeCxFywU6He1A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPxmc0Gy6maYWN0maO_yvFoAMUQ2XcMv080g=YeCxFywU6He1A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPxmc0HetwpcL9YbjKUdCrTey3R7gdxjexsat=o-axMRHf-85w@mail.gmail.com>

Can someone help me pick this up at 6pm tomorrow? Does anyone have a truck?
Awesome huh?

-Louise

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Louise Fox <louise.s.fox at gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 10:42 PM
Subject: YES!!! Awesome freestanding materials library from Inventables,
free to a good home
To: dave at sifteo.com


Hi Dave,

I would love to take the material library. I work for Saul and was
forwarded this message. I am involved in a hacker space Ace Monster in the
east bay that would make good use of this. If it is still available, I can
pick it up at your convenience. I have access to a truck. Where are you
located? What time would be a good time to pick it up?

Thanks so much!

-Louise Fox
Mechanical Engineer

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Merrill <dave at sifteo.com>
Date: Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 9:31 AM
Subject: Awesome freestanding materials library from Inventables, free to a
good home
To: Colin Owen <cowen at cca.edu>, Charlie Sheldon <Charlie at idsa-sf.org>,
wendy ju <wju at cca.edu>, Jason K Johnson <jason.kelly.johnson at gmail.com>,
Gadi Amit <Gadi at newdealdesign.com>, Meghann Evershed <meghann at gmail.com>,
saul griffith <saulty at gmail.com>


Hey Folks,

We are looking for a good home for a really neat materials library from
Inventables that we've had for a while now, but don't have space for
anymore now that we've grown in numbers. It consists of three freestanding
(rolling) vertical display racks stuffed chock full of explorable samples
of intriguing materials and mechanisms.

For instance:

   - Magnetic conductive Ink
   - Shape memory plastic sheet
   - Replicating natural textures
   - Helical Nitinol Muscle
   - Miniature linear actuator
   - ..and many more

You can spot 1/3 of the display this post about RISD's materials library --
it's over on the left in the first shot:
http://www.core77.com/blog/materials/introducing_the_risd_materials_library_20018.asp
(there's also a closeup further down the page) - and see the attached image.

You'd need about 6 feet of wall-space -- it takes up about the same space
as a bookshelf.

Does anyone want it? Or know of an design firm / school / etc that would?
First-come, first-serve -- you'd need to be able to move it.

Happy holidays!
-Dave
-- 
Sifteo, Inc.
http://sifteo.com/
+1 415 621 1566 (office)
+1 415 789 4180 (fax)




-- 
Saul Griffith.
Principal.
Otherlab.com
415.225.3618



-- 
Louise Fox
Mechanical Engineer



-- 
Louise Fox
Mechanical Engineer
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From me at robbiet.us  Mon Jan  2 21:46:08 2012
From: me at robbiet.us (Robbie Trencheny)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:46:08 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] YES!!! Awesome freestanding materials library from
 Inventables, free to a good home
In-Reply-To: <CAPxmc0HetwpcL9YbjKUdCrTey3R7gdxjexsat=o-axMRHf-85w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPxmc0Gy6maYWN0maO_yvFoAMUQ2XcMv080g=YeCxFywU6He1A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPxmc0HetwpcL9YbjKUdCrTey3R7gdxjexsat=o-axMRHf-85w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPs-5xU3O1D5TcL-udz7n6iYm+38WppNx9XAWuBX8onmixhxRQ@mail.gmail.com>

Nice! People that I know that have a truck available:

* Stefan

:/. Hopefully someone else can stand up and help out since its awesome
looking and Stefan is still in LA (as far as I know)

Robbie Trencheny (@robbie <http://twitter.com/robbie>)
Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
925-884-3728
robbie.io



On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Louise Fox <louise.s.fox at gmail.com> wrote:

> Can someone help me pick this up at 6pm tomorrow? Does anyone have a
> truck? Awesome huh?
>
> -Louise
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Louise Fox <louise.s.fox at gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 10:42 PM
> Subject: YES!!! Awesome freestanding materials library from Inventables,
> free to a good home
> To: dave at sifteo.com
>
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> I would love to take the material library. I work for Saul and was
> forwarded this message. I am involved in a hacker space Ace Monster in the
> east bay that would make good use of this. If it is still available, I can
> pick it up at your convenience. I have access to a truck. Where are you
> located? What time would be a good time to pick it up?
>
> Thanks so much!
>
> -Louise Fox
> Mechanical Engineer
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: David Merrill <dave at sifteo.com>
> Date: Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 9:31 AM
> Subject: Awesome freestanding materials library from Inventables, free to
> a good home
> To: Colin Owen <cowen at cca.edu>, Charlie Sheldon <Charlie at idsa-sf.org>,
> wendy ju <wju at cca.edu>, Jason K Johnson <jason.kelly.johnson at gmail.com>,
> Gadi Amit <Gadi at newdealdesign.com>, Meghann Evershed <meghann at gmail.com>,
> saul griffith <saulty at gmail.com>
>
>
> Hey Folks,
>
> We are looking for a good home for a really neat materials library from
> Inventables that we've had for a while now, but don't have space for
> anymore now that we've grown in numbers. It consists of three freestanding
> (rolling) vertical display racks stuffed chock full of explorable samples
> of intriguing materials and mechanisms.
>
> For instance:
>
>    - Magnetic conductive Ink
>    - Shape memory plastic sheet
>    - Replicating natural textures
>    - Helical Nitinol Muscle
>    - Miniature linear actuator
>    - ..and many more
>
> You can spot 1/3 of the display this post about RISD's materials library
> -- it's over on the left in the first shot:
>
> http://www.core77.com/blog/materials/introducing_the_risd_materials_library_20018.asp
> (there's also a closeup further down the page) - and see the attached
> image.
>
> You'd need about 6 feet of wall-space -- it takes up about the same space
> as a bookshelf.
>
> Does anyone want it? Or know of an design firm / school / etc that would?
> First-come, first-serve -- you'd need to be able to move it.
>
> Happy holidays!
> -Dave
> --
> Sifteo, Inc.
> http://sifteo.com/
> +1 415 621 1566 (office)
> +1 415 789 4180 (fax)
>
>
>
>
> --
> Saul Griffith.
> Principal.
> Otherlab.com
> 415.225.3618
>
>
>
> --
> Louise Fox
> Mechanical Engineer
>
>
>
> --
> Louise Fox
> Mechanical Engineer
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
>
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From louise.s.fox at gmail.com  Mon Jan  2 21:59:15 2012
From: louise.s.fox at gmail.com (Louise Fox)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:59:15 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Fwd: YES!!! Awesome freestanding materials library from
 Inventables, free to a good home
In-Reply-To: <CAP=2L9JmwdJE3cbjcBonX4EXmon7P=7Lth=7kTe3=v+8hLAmzQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPxmc0Gy6maYWN0maO_yvFoAMUQ2XcMv080g=YeCxFywU6He1A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP=2L9K-8PwbjyeNaRN9iQukvj4Sh+r=vOs-8j63g0gK5gR5HQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPxmc0FA++4wUQ35mzZ+U-KQOL5Cgc3g+s=k2O2Mo=DE8q2O+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP=2L9KpH1TbYkOyp4BJcfrm1H=jOjJjB15qOvjWcR-UaLVbOQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPxmc0Fk4OfTkppLBeafhjoNV7q_cm4CEWLf_otH7ykAmbPr0g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP=2L9JmwdJE3cbjcBonX4EXmon7P=7Lth=7kTe3=v+8hLAmzQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPxmc0G6Lg_6wsLP9OnDppSBPb3Ksex24TCDEwNYqX9V+iRT4Q@mail.gmail.com>

Info! Totally need help.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Merrill <dave at sifteo.com>
Date: Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: YES!!! Awesome freestanding materials library from
Inventables, free to a good home
To: Louise Fox <louise.s.fox at gmail.com>


Hi Louise,
Great -- we're in the Dogpatch neighborhood, at:

2475 3rd St., Suite 252
San Francisco, CA 94107

I'll roll into the freight elevator, and get to the loading dock, and
that's probably 3 feet above ground level -- can you bring someone to help
hoist them into your truck?

Also, lemme make sure with out building manager that the loading dock is
still open at 6 -- if you can come at 5, it's definitely still open.
-Dave
415-938-6701

On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Louise Fox <louise.s.fox at gmail.com> wrote:

> I can pick it up at 6pm. Where are you located?
>
> Thanks,
> Louise
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 9:25 PM, David Merrill <dave at sifteo.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Louise -
>> Ok! You're up -- it turns out they had one of these already at CCA, but
>> the person who responded first didn't know that. Can you pick it up
>> tomorrow (Tue) between noon and 6? Lemme know when works.
>> Thanks,
>> -Dave
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Louise Fox <louise.s.fox at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> OK great let me know. I can pick up any time.
>>>
>>> -Louise
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 9:38 PM, David Merrill <dave at sifteo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Louise!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the note. Some folks from CCA who were also on my email
>>>> wrote me back slightly earlier than you did, so by first come first-served
>>>> rules I'm going to see if they're serious. If not, you're definitely next!
>>>> Best,
>>>> -Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 10:42 PM, Louise Fox <louise.s.fox at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>
>>>>> I would love to take the material library. I work for Saul and was
>>>>> forwarded this message. I am involved in a hacker space Ace Monster in the
>>>>> east bay that would make good use of this. If it is still available, I can
>>>>> pick it up at your convenience. I have access to a truck. Where are you
>>>>> located? What time would be a good time to pick it up?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks so much!
>>>>>
>>>>> -Louise Fox
>>>>> Mechanical Engineer
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> From: David Merrill <dave at sifteo.com>
>>>>> Date: Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 9:31 AM
>>>>> Subject: Awesome freestanding materials library from Inventables, free
>>>>> to a good home
>>>>> To: Colin Owen <cowen at cca.edu>, Charlie Sheldon <Charlie at idsa-sf.org>,
>>>>> wendy ju <wju at cca.edu>, Jason K Johnson <jason.kelly.johnson at gmail.com>,
>>>>> Gadi Amit <Gadi at newdealdesign.com>, Meghann Evershed <
>>>>> meghann at gmail.com>, saul griffith <saulty at gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey Folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> We are looking for a good home for a really neat materials library
>>>>> from Inventables that we've had for a while now, but don't have space for
>>>>> anymore now that we've grown in numbers. It consists of three freestanding
>>>>> (rolling) vertical display racks stuffed chock full of explorable samples
>>>>> of intriguing materials and mechanisms.
>>>>>
>>>>> For instance:
>>>>>
>>>>>    - Magnetic conductive Ink
>>>>>    - Shape memory plastic sheet
>>>>>    - Replicating natural textures
>>>>>    - Helical Nitinol Muscle
>>>>>    - Miniature linear actuator
>>>>>    - ..and many more
>>>>>
>>>>> You can spot 1/3 of the display this post about RISD's materials
>>>>> library -- it's over on the left in the first shot:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.core77.com/blog/materials/introducing_the_risd_materials_library_20018.asp
>>>>> (there's also a closeup further down the page) - and see the attached
>>>>> image.
>>>>>
>>>>> You'd need about 6 feet of wall-space -- it takes up about the same
>>>>> space as a bookshelf.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone want it? Or know of an design firm / school / etc that
>>>>> would? First-come, first-serve -- you'd need to be able to move it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Happy holidays!
>>>>> -Dave
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sifteo, Inc.
>>>>> http://sifteo.com/
>>>>> +1 415 621 1566 (office)
>>>>> +1 415 789 4180 (fax)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Saul Griffith.
>>>>> Principal.
>>>>> Otherlab.com
>>>>> 415.225.3618
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Louise Fox
>>>>> Mechanical Engineer
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sifteo, Inc.
>>>> http://sifteo.com/
>>>> +1 415 621 1566 (office)
>>>> +1 415 789 4180 (fax)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Louise Fox
>>> Mechanical Engineer
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sifteo, Inc.
>> http://sifteo.com/
>> +1 415 621 1566 (office)
>> +1 415 789 4180 (fax)
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Louise Fox
> Mechanical Engineer
>



-- 
Sifteo, Inc.
http://sifteo.com/
+1 415 621 1566 (office)
+1 415 789 4180 (fax)




-- 
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From drorex at gmail.com  Mon Jan  2 22:02:09 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:02:09 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Fwd: YES!!! Awesome freestanding materials library from
 Inventables, free to a good home
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I'll chip in $20 if we need to rent a truck. A regular pickup should be
fine right? See if there are any on zipcar or city car share or whatever.
On Jan 2, 2012 9:59 PM, "Louise Fox" <louise.s.fox at gmail.com> wrote:

> Info! Totally need help.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: David Merrill <dave at sifteo.com>
> Date: Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 9:53 PM
> Subject: Re: YES!!! Awesome freestanding materials library from
> Inventables, free to a good home
> To: Louise Fox <louise.s.fox at gmail.com>
>
>
> Hi Louise,
> Great -- we're in the Dogpatch neighborhood, at:
>
> 2475 3rd St., Suite 252
> San Francisco, CA 94107
>
> I'll roll into the freight elevator, and get to the loading dock, and
> that's probably 3 feet above ground level -- can you bring someone to help
> hoist them into your truck?
>
> Also, lemme make sure with out building manager that the loading dock is
> still open at 6 -- if you can come at 5, it's definitely still open.
> -Dave
> 415-938-6701
>
> On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Louise Fox <louise.s.fox at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I can pick it up at 6pm. Where are you located?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Louise
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 9:25 PM, David Merrill <dave at sifteo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Louise -
>>> Ok! You're up -- it turns out they had one of these already at CCA, but
>>> the person who responded first didn't know that. Can you pick it up
>>> tomorrow (Tue) between noon and 6? Lemme know when works.
>>> Thanks,
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Louise Fox <louise.s.fox at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> OK great let me know. I can pick up any time.
>>>>
>>>> -Louise
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 9:38 PM, David Merrill <dave at sifteo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey Louise!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the note. Some folks from CCA who were also on my email
>>>>> wrote me back slightly earlier than you did, so by first come first-served
>>>>> rules I'm going to see if they're serious. If not, you're definitely next!
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 10:42 PM, Louise Fox <louise.s.fox at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would love to take the material library. I work for Saul and was
>>>>>> forwarded this message. I am involved in a hacker space Ace Monster in the
>>>>>> east bay that would make good use of this. If it is still available, I can
>>>>>> pick it up at your convenience. I have access to a truck. Where are you
>>>>>> located? What time would be a good time to pick it up?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks so much!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Louise Fox
>>>>>> Mechanical Engineer
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: David Merrill <dave at sifteo.com>
>>>>>> Date: Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 9:31 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Awesome freestanding materials library from Inventables,
>>>>>> free to a good home
>>>>>> To: Colin Owen <cowen at cca.edu>, Charlie Sheldon <Charlie at idsa-sf.org>,
>>>>>> wendy ju <wju at cca.edu>, Jason K Johnson <
>>>>>> jason.kelly.johnson at gmail.com>, Gadi Amit <Gadi at newdealdesign.com>,
>>>>>> Meghann Evershed <meghann at gmail.com>, saul griffith <saulty at gmail.com
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey Folks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are looking for a good home for a really neat materials library
>>>>>> from Inventables that we've had for a while now, but don't have space for
>>>>>> anymore now that we've grown in numbers. It consists of three freestanding
>>>>>> (rolling) vertical display racks stuffed chock full of explorable samples
>>>>>> of intriguing materials and mechanisms.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For instance:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    - Magnetic conductive Ink
>>>>>>    - Shape memory plastic sheet
>>>>>>    - Replicating natural textures
>>>>>>    - Helical Nitinol Muscle
>>>>>>    - Miniature linear actuator
>>>>>>    - ..and many more
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can spot 1/3 of the display this post about RISD's materials
>>>>>> library -- it's over on the left in the first shot:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.core77.com/blog/materials/introducing_the_risd_materials_library_20018.asp
>>>>>> (there's also a closeup further down the page) - and see the attached
>>>>>> image.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You'd need about 6 feet of wall-space -- it takes up about the same
>>>>>> space as a bookshelf.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone want it? Or know of an design firm / school / etc that
>>>>>> would? First-come, first-serve -- you'd need to be able to move it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Happy holidays!
>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sifteo, Inc.
>>>>>> http://sifteo.com/
>>>>>> +1 415 621 1566 (office)
>>>>>> +1 415 789 4180 (fax)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Saul Griffith.
>>>>>> Principal.
>>>>>> Otherlab.com
>>>>>> 415.225.3618
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Louise Fox
>>>>>> Mechanical Engineer
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sifteo, Inc.
>>>>> http://sifteo.com/
>>>>> +1 415 621 1566 (office)
>>>>> +1 415 789 4180 (fax)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Louise Fox
>>>> Mechanical Engineer
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sifteo, Inc.
>>> http://sifteo.com/
>>> +1 415 621 1566 (office)
>>> +1 415 789 4180 (fax)
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Louise Fox
>> Mechanical Engineer
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Sifteo, Inc.
> http://sifteo.com/
> +1 415 621 1566 (office)
> +1 415 789 4180 (fax)
>
>
>
>
> --
> Louise Fox
> Mechanical Engineer
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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From jjrosent at heatsynclabs.org  Mon Jan  2 22:04:30 2012
From: jjrosent at heatsynclabs.org (Jacob Rosenthal)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 23:04:30 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Fwd: YES!!! Awesome freestanding materials library from
 Inventables, free to a good home
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You lucky fuckers :)

I love inventibles and Jeremy and I have wanted a 'materials' library
for our space for a long time.. I had no idea you could just buy
one--or find one local :)



On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 11:02 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'll chip in $20 if we need to rent a truck. A regular pickup should be fine
> right? See if there are any on zipcar or city car share or whatever.
>
> On Jan 2, 2012 9:59 PM, "Louise Fox" <louise.s.fox at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Info! Totally need help.
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: David Merrill <dave at sifteo.com>
>> Date: Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 9:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: YES!!! Awesome freestanding materials library from
>> Inventables, free to a good home
>> To: Louise Fox <louise.s.fox at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> Hi Louise,
>> Great -- we're in the Dogpatch neighborhood, at:
>>
>> 2475 3rd St., Suite 252
>> San Francisco, CA 94107
>>
>> I'll roll into the freight elevator, and get to the loading dock, and
>> that's probably 3 feet above ground level -- can you bring someone to help
>> hoist them into your truck?
>>
>> Also, lemme make sure with out building manager that the loading dock is
>> still open at 6 -- if you can come at 5, it's definitely still open.
>> -Dave
>> 415-938-6701
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Louise Fox <louise.s.fox at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I can pick it up at 6pm. Where are you located?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Louise
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 9:25 PM, David Merrill <dave at sifteo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Louise -
>>>> Ok! You're up -- it turns out they had one of these already at CCA, but
>>>> the person who responded first didn't know that. Can you pick it up tomorrow
>>>> (Tue) between noon and 6? Lemme know when works.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> -Dave
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Louise Fox <louise.s.fox at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> OK great let me know. I can pick up any time.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Louise
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 9:38 PM, David Merrill <dave at sifteo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey Louise!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the note. Some folks from CCA who were also on my email
>>>>>> wrote me back slightly earlier than you did, so by first come first-served
>>>>>> rules I'm going to see if they're serious. If not, you're definitely next!
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 10:42 PM, Louise Fox <louise.s.fox at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would love to take the material library. I work for Saul and was
>>>>>>> forwarded this message. I am involved in a hacker space Ace Monster in the
>>>>>>> east bay that would make good use of this. If it is still available, I can
>>>>>>> pick it up at your?convenience. I have access to a truck. Where are you
>>>>>>> located? What time would be a good time to pick it up?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks so much!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Louise Fox
>>>>>>> Mechanical Engineer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>> From: David Merrill <dave at sifteo.com>
>>>>>>> Date: Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 9:31 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Awesome freestanding materials library from Inventables,
>>>>>>> free to a good home
>>>>>>> To: Colin Owen <cowen at cca.edu>, Charlie Sheldon
>>>>>>> <Charlie at idsa-sf.org>, wendy ju <wju at cca.edu>, Jason K Johnson
>>>>>>> <jason.kelly.johnson at gmail.com>, Gadi Amit <Gadi at newdealdesign.com>, Meghann
>>>>>>> Evershed <meghann at gmail.com>, saul griffith <saulty at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey Folks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are looking for a good home for a really neat materials library
>>>>>>> from Inventables that we've had for a while now, but don't have space for
>>>>>>> anymore now that we've grown in numbers. It consists of three freestanding
>>>>>>> (rolling) vertical display racks stuffed chock full of explorable samples of
>>>>>>> intriguing materials and mechanisms.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For instance:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Magnetic conductive Ink
>>>>>>> Shape memory plastic sheet
>>>>>>> Replicating natural textures
>>>>>>> Helical Nitinol Muscle
>>>>>>> Miniature linear actuator
>>>>>>> ..and many more
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can spot 1/3 of the display this post about RISD's materials
>>>>>>> library -- it's over on the left in the first shot:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.core77.com/blog/materials/introducing_the_risd_materials_library_20018.asp
>>>>>>> (there's also a closeup further down the page) - and see the attached
>>>>>>> image.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You'd need about 6 feet of wall-space -- it takes up about the same
>>>>>>> space as a bookshelf.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does anyone want it? Or know of an design firm / school / etc that
>>>>>>> would? First-come, first-serve -- you'd need to be able to move it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Happy holidays!
>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Sifteo, Inc.
>>>>>>> http://sifteo.com/
>>>>>>> +1 415 621 1566 (office)
>>>>>>> +1 415 789 4180 (fax)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Saul Griffith.
>>>>>>> Principal.
>>>>>>> Otherlab.com
>>>>>>> 415.225.3618
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Louise Fox
>>>>>>> Mechanical Engineer
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sifteo, Inc.
>>>>>> http://sifteo.com/
>>>>>> +1 415 621 1566 (office)
>>>>>> +1 415 789 4180 (fax)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Louise Fox
>>>>> Mechanical Engineer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sifteo, Inc.
>>>> http://sifteo.com/
>>>> +1 415 621 1566 (office)
>>>> +1 415 789 4180 (fax)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Louise Fox
>>> Mechanical Engineer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sifteo, Inc.
>> http://sifteo.com/
>> +1 415 621 1566 (office)
>> +1 415 789 4180 (fax)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Louise Fox
>> Mechanical Engineer
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>



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From louise.s.fox at gmail.com  Mon Jan  2 22:05:08 2012
From: louise.s.fox at gmail.com (Louise Fox)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:05:08 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Fwd: YES!!! Awesome freestanding materials library from
 Inventables, free to a good home
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OK I got a truck. Can someone or several meet me there to help lift it in
and move it to acemonster?

-Louise

On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 10:02 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'll chip in $20 if we need to rent a truck. A regular pickup should be
> fine right? See if there are any on zipcar or city car share or whatever.
> On Jan 2, 2012 9:59 PM, "Louise Fox" <louise.s.fox at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Info! Totally need help.
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: David Merrill <dave at sifteo.com>
>> Date: Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 9:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: YES!!! Awesome freestanding materials library from
>> Inventables, free to a good home
>> To: Louise Fox <louise.s.fox at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> Hi Louise,
>> Great -- we're in the Dogpatch neighborhood, at:
>>
>> 2475 3rd St., Suite 252
>> San Francisco, CA 94107
>>
>> I'll roll into the freight elevator, and get to the loading dock, and
>> that's probably 3 feet above ground level -- can you bring someone to help
>> hoist them into your truck?
>>
>> Also, lemme make sure with out building manager that the loading dock is
>> still open at 6 -- if you can come at 5, it's definitely still open.
>> -Dave
>> 415-938-6701
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Louise Fox <louise.s.fox at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I can pick it up at 6pm. Where are you located?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Louise
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 9:25 PM, David Merrill <dave at sifteo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Louise -
>>>> Ok! You're up -- it turns out they had one of these already at CCA, but
>>>> the person who responded first didn't know that. Can you pick it up
>>>> tomorrow (Tue) between noon and 6? Lemme know when works.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> -Dave
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Louise Fox <louise.s.fox at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> OK great let me know. I can pick up any time.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Louise
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 9:38 PM, David Merrill <dave at sifteo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey Louise!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the note. Some folks from CCA who were also on my email
>>>>>> wrote me back slightly earlier than you did, so by first come first-served
>>>>>> rules I'm going to see if they're serious. If not, you're definitely next!
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 10:42 PM, Louise Fox <louise.s.fox at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would love to take the material library. I work for Saul and was
>>>>>>> forwarded this message. I am involved in a hacker space Ace Monster in the
>>>>>>> east bay that would make good use of this. If it is still available, I can
>>>>>>> pick it up at your convenience. I have access to a truck. Where are you
>>>>>>> located? What time would be a good time to pick it up?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks so much!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Louise Fox
>>>>>>> Mechanical Engineer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>> From: David Merrill <dave at sifteo.com>
>>>>>>> Date: Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 9:31 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Awesome freestanding materials library from Inventables,
>>>>>>> free to a good home
>>>>>>> To: Colin Owen <cowen at cca.edu>, Charlie Sheldon <Charlie at idsa-sf.org>,
>>>>>>> wendy ju <wju at cca.edu>, Jason K Johnson <
>>>>>>> jason.kelly.johnson at gmail.com>, Gadi Amit <Gadi at newdealdesign.com>,
>>>>>>> Meghann Evershed <meghann at gmail.com>, saul griffith <
>>>>>>> saulty at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey Folks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are looking for a good home for a really neat materials library
>>>>>>> from Inventables that we've had for a while now, but don't have space for
>>>>>>> anymore now that we've grown in numbers. It consists of three freestanding
>>>>>>> (rolling) vertical display racks stuffed chock full of explorable samples
>>>>>>> of intriguing materials and mechanisms.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For instance:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    - Magnetic conductive Ink
>>>>>>>    - Shape memory plastic sheet
>>>>>>>    - Replicating natural textures
>>>>>>>    - Helical Nitinol Muscle
>>>>>>>    - Miniature linear actuator
>>>>>>>    - ..and many more
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can spot 1/3 of the display this post about RISD's materials
>>>>>>> library -- it's over on the left in the first shot:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.core77.com/blog/materials/introducing_the_risd_materials_library_20018.asp
>>>>>>> (there's also a closeup further down the page) - and see the
>>>>>>> attached image.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You'd need about 6 feet of wall-space -- it takes up about the same
>>>>>>> space as a bookshelf.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does anyone want it? Or know of an design firm / school / etc that
>>>>>>> would? First-come, first-serve -- you'd need to be able to move it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Happy holidays!
>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Sifteo, Inc.
>>>>>>> http://sifteo.com/
>>>>>>> +1 415 621 1566 (office)
>>>>>>> +1 415 789 4180 (fax)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Saul Griffith.
>>>>>>> Principal.
>>>>>>> Otherlab.com
>>>>>>> 415.225.3618
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Louise Fox
>>>>>>> Mechanical Engineer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sifteo, Inc.
>>>>>> http://sifteo.com/
>>>>>> +1 415 621 1566 (office)
>>>>>> +1 415 789 4180 (fax)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Louise Fox
>>>>> Mechanical Engineer
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sifteo, Inc.
>>>> http://sifteo.com/
>>>> +1 415 621 1566 (office)
>>>> +1 415 789 4180 (fax)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Louise Fox
>>> Mechanical Engineer
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sifteo, Inc.
>> http://sifteo.com/
>> +1 415 621 1566 (office)
>> +1 415 789 4180 (fax)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Louise Fox
>> Mechanical Engineer
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
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>
>


-- 
Louise Fox
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From drorex at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 08:46:49 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 08:46:49 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Fwd: YES!!! Awesome freestanding materials library from
 Inventables, free to a good home
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It may be hard for a lot of people to make it to SF to help. How many
people can your truck fit? Maybe you could pick people up at AMT first?

I can be available for helping unload it at AMT at least.

On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 10:05 PM, Louise Fox <louise.s.fox at gmail.com> wrote:

> OK I got a truck. Can someone or several meet me there to help lift it in
> and move it to acemonster?
>
> -Louise
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 10:02 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'll chip in $20 if we need to rent a truck. A regular pickup should be
>> fine right? See if there are any on zipcar or city car share or whatever.
>> On Jan 2, 2012 9:59 PM, "Louise Fox" <louise.s.fox at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Info! Totally need help.
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: David Merrill <dave at sifteo.com>
>>> Date: Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 9:53 PM
>>> Subject: Re: YES!!! Awesome freestanding materials library from
>>> Inventables, free to a good home
>>> To: Louise Fox <louise.s.fox at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Louise,
>>> Great -- we're in the Dogpatch neighborhood, at:
>>>
>>> 2475 3rd St., Suite 252
>>> San Francisco, CA 94107
>>>
>>> I'll roll into the freight elevator, and get to the loading dock, and
>>> that's probably 3 feet above ground level -- can you bring someone to help
>>> hoist them into your truck?
>>>
>>> Also, lemme make sure with out building manager that the loading dock is
>>> still open at 6 -- if you can come at 5, it's definitely still open.
>>> -Dave
>>> 415-938-6701
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Louise Fox <louise.s.fox at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can pick it up at 6pm. Where are you located?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Louise
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 9:25 PM, David Merrill <dave at sifteo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Louise -
>>>>> Ok! You're up -- it turns out they had one of these already at CCA,
>>>>> but the person who responded first didn't know that. Can you pick it up
>>>>> tomorrow (Tue) between noon and 6? Lemme know when works.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Louise Fox <louise.s.fox at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> OK great let me know. I can pick up any time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Louise
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 9:38 PM, David Merrill <dave at sifteo.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey Louise!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the note. Some folks from CCA who were also on my email
>>>>>>> wrote me back slightly earlier than you did, so by first come first-served
>>>>>>> rules I'm going to see if they're serious. If not, you're definitely next!
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 10:42 PM, Louise Fox <louise.s.fox at gmail.com
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would love to take the material library. I work for Saul and was
>>>>>>>> forwarded this message. I am involved in a hacker space Ace Monster in the
>>>>>>>> east bay that would make good use of this. If it is still available, I can
>>>>>>>> pick it up at your convenience. I have access to a truck. Where are you
>>>>>>>> located? What time would be a good time to pick it up?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks so much!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Louise Fox
>>>>>>>> Mechanical Engineer
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>> From: David Merrill <dave at sifteo.com>
>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 9:31 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Awesome freestanding materials library from Inventables,
>>>>>>>> free to a good home
>>>>>>>> To: Colin Owen <cowen at cca.edu>, Charlie Sheldon <
>>>>>>>> Charlie at idsa-sf.org>, wendy ju <wju at cca.edu>, Jason K Johnson <
>>>>>>>> jason.kelly.johnson at gmail.com>, Gadi Amit <Gadi at newdealdesign.com>,
>>>>>>>> Meghann Evershed <meghann at gmail.com>, saul griffith <
>>>>>>>> saulty at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey Folks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We are looking for a good home for a really neat materials library
>>>>>>>> from Inventables that we've had for a while now, but don't have space for
>>>>>>>> anymore now that we've grown in numbers. It consists of three freestanding
>>>>>>>> (rolling) vertical display racks stuffed chock full of explorable samples
>>>>>>>> of intriguing materials and mechanisms.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For instance:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    - Magnetic conductive Ink
>>>>>>>>    - Shape memory plastic sheet
>>>>>>>>    - Replicating natural textures
>>>>>>>>    - Helical Nitinol Muscle
>>>>>>>>    - Miniature linear actuator
>>>>>>>>    - ..and many more
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can spot 1/3 of the display this post about RISD's materials
>>>>>>>> library -- it's over on the left in the first shot:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.core77.com/blog/materials/introducing_the_risd_materials_library_20018.asp
>>>>>>>> (there's also a closeup further down the page) - and see the
>>>>>>>> attached image.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You'd need about 6 feet of wall-space -- it takes up about the same
>>>>>>>> space as a bookshelf.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does anyone want it? Or know of an design firm / school / etc that
>>>>>>>> would? First-come, first-serve -- you'd need to be able to move it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Happy holidays!
>>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Sifteo, Inc.
>>>>>>>> http://sifteo.com/
>>>>>>>> +1 415 621 1566 (office)
>>>>>>>> +1 415 789 4180 (fax)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Saul Griffith.
>>>>>>>> Principal.
>>>>>>>> Otherlab.com
>>>>>>>> 415.225.3618
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Louise Fox
>>>>>>>> Mechanical Engineer
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Sifteo, Inc.
>>>>>>> http://sifteo.com/
>>>>>>> +1 415 621 1566 (office)
>>>>>>> +1 415 789 4180 (fax)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Louise Fox
>>>>>> Mechanical Engineer
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sifteo, Inc.
>>>>> http://sifteo.com/
>>>>> +1 415 621 1566 (office)
>>>>> +1 415 789 4180 (fax)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Louise Fox
>>>> Mechanical Engineer
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sifteo, Inc.
>>> http://sifteo.com/
>>> +1 415 621 1566 (office)
>>> +1 415 789 4180 (fax)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Louise Fox
>>> Mechanical Engineer
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Louise Fox
> Mechanical Engineer
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
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From biff at cliffle.com  Tue Jan  3 10:48:35 2012
From: biff at cliffle.com (Cliff L. Biffle)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 10:48:35 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Fwd: YES!!! Awesome freestanding materials library from
 Inventables, free to a good home
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On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 8:46 AM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:

> It may be hard for a lot of people to make it to SF to help. How many
> people can your truck fit? Maybe you could pick people up at AMT first?
>

I've seen this Inventables thing and it's maaaaybe a two-person move job.
 Don't need an army.

(I'm back at work and can't help unfortunately.)

-- 
Cliff L. Biffle
http://cliffle.com/
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From greg.burek at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 11:45:31 2012
From: greg.burek at gmail.com (Greg Burek)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 11:45:31 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Fwd: YES!!! Awesome freestanding materials library from
 Inventables, free to a good home
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Louise,
Do you need help in SF or at AMT?  I can be at either place. 

Greg 


On Monday, January 2, 2012 at 10:05 PM, Louise Fox wrote:

> OK I got a truck. Can someone or several meet me there to help lift it in and move it to acemonster?
> 
> -Louise
> 
> On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 10:02 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com (mailto:drorex at gmail.com)> wrote:
> > I'll chip in $20 if we need to rent a truck. A regular pickup should be fine right? See if there are any on zipcar or city car share or whatever. 
> > On Jan 2, 2012 9:59 PM, "Louise Fox" <louise.s.fox at gmail.com (mailto:louise.s.fox at gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > Info! Totally need help.
> > > 
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > From: David Merrill <dave at sifteo.com (mailto:dave at sifteo.com)>
> > > Date: Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 9:53 PM
> > > Subject: Re: YES!!! Awesome freestanding materials library from Inventables, free to a good home
> > > To: Louise Fox <louise.s.fox at gmail.com (mailto:louise.s.fox at gmail.com)>
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hi Louise,
> > > Great -- we're in the Dogpatch neighborhood, at:
> > > 
> > > 2475 3rd St., Suite 252
> > > San Francisco, CA 94107
> > > 
> > > I'll roll into the freight elevator, and get to the loading dock, and that's probably 3 feet above ground level -- can you bring someone to help hoist them into your truck?  
> > > 
> > > Also, lemme make sure with out building manager that the loading dock is still open at 6 -- if you can come at 5, it's definitely still open.
> > > -Dave
> > > 415-938-6701 (tel:415-938-6701)
> > > 
> > > On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Louise Fox <louise.s.fox at gmail.com (mailto:louise.s.fox at gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > > I can pick it up at 6pm. Where are you located?
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Louise
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 9:25 PM, David Merrill <dave at sifteo.com (mailto:dave at sifteo.com)> wrote:
> > > > > Hi Louise -
> > > > > Ok! You're up -- it turns out they had one of these already at CCA, but the person who responded first didn't know that. Can you pick it up tomorrow (Tue) between noon and 6? Lemme know when works.
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > -Dave
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Louise Fox <louise.s.fox at gmail.com (mailto:louise.s.fox at gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > > > > OK great let me know. I can pick up any time.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > -Louise
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 9:38 PM, David Merrill <dave at sifteo.com (mailto:dave at sifteo.com)> wrote:
> > > > > > > Hey Louise!
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Thanks for the note. Some folks from CCA who were also on my email wrote me back slightly earlier than you did, so by first come first-served rules I'm going to see if they're serious. If not, you're definitely next! 
> > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > -Dave
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 10:42 PM, Louise Fox <louise.s.fox at gmail.com (mailto:louise.s.fox at gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi Dave,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I would love to take the material library. I work for Saul and was forwarded this message. I am involved in a hacker space Ace Monster in the east bay that would make good use of this. If it is still available, I can pick it up at your convenience. I have access to a truck. Where are you located? What time would be a good time to pick it up? 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Thanks so much!
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > -Louise Fox
> > > > > > > > Mechanical Engineer
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > > > > > > From: David Merrill <dave at sifteo.com (mailto:dave at sifteo.com)>
> > > > > > > > Date: Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 9:31 AM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Awesome freestanding materials library from Inventables, free to a good home
> > > > > > > > To: Colin Owen <cowen at cca.edu (mailto:cowen at cca.edu)>, Charlie Sheldon <Charlie at idsa-sf.org (mailto:Charlie at idsa-sf.org)>, wendy ju <wju at cca.edu (mailto:wju at cca.edu)>, Jason K Johnson <jason.kelly.johnson at gmail.com (mailto:jason.kelly.johnson at gmail.com)>, Gadi Amit <Gadi at newdealdesign.com (mailto:Gadi at newdealdesign.com)>, Meghann Evershed <meghann at gmail.com (mailto:meghann at gmail.com)>, saul griffith <saulty at gmail.com (mailto:saulty at gmail.com)>
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Hey Folks,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > We are looking for a good home for a really neat materials library from Inventables that we've had for a while now, but don't have space for anymore now that we've grown in numbers. It consists of three freestanding (rolling) vertical display racks stuffed chock full of explorable samples of intriguing materials and mechanisms.  
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > For instance: 
> > > > > > > > Magnetic conductive Ink
> > > > > > > > Shape memory plastic sheet
> > > > > > > > Replicating natural textures
> > > > > > > > Helical Nitinol Muscle
> > > > > > > > Miniature linear actuator
> > > > > > > > ..and many more
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > You can spot 1/3 of the display this post about RISD's materials library -- it's over on the left in the first shot:
> > > > > > > > http://www.core77.com/blog/materials/introducing_the_risd_materials_library_20018.asp
> > > > > > > > (there's also a closeup further down the page) - and see the attached image.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > You'd need about 6 feet of wall-space -- it takes up about the same space as a bookshelf.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Does anyone want it? Or know of an design firm / school / etc that would? First-come, first-serve -- you'd need to be able to move it.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Happy holidays!
> > > > > > > > -Dave
> > > > > > > > -- 
> > > > > > > > Sifteo, Inc.
> > > > > > > > http://sifteo.com/
> > > > > > > > +1 415 621 1566 (tel:%2B1%20415%20621%201566) (office)
> > > > > > > > +1 415 789 4180 (tel:%2B1%20415%20789%204180) (fax)
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > -- 
> > > > > > > > Saul Griffith.
> > > > > > > > Principal.
> > > > > > > > Otherlab.com (http://Otherlab.com)
> > > > > > > > 415.225.3618 (tel:415.225.3618)
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > -- 
> > > > > > > > Louise Fox 
> > > > > > > > Mechanical Engineer
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > -- 
> > > > > > > Sifteo, Inc.
> > > > > > > http://sifteo.com/
> > > > > > > +1 415 621 1566 (tel:%2B1%20415%20621%201566) (office)
> > > > > > > +1 415 789 4180 (tel:%2B1%20415%20789%204180) (fax)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > -- 
> > > > > > Louise Fox 
> > > > > > Mechanical Engineer
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > -- 
> > > > > Sifteo, Inc.
> > > > > http://sifteo.com/
> > > > > +1 415 621 1566 (tel:%2B1%20415%20621%201566) (office)
> > > > > +1 415 789 4180 (tel:%2B1%20415%20789%204180) (fax)
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -- 
> > > > Louise Fox 
> > > > Mechanical Engineer
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Sifteo, Inc.
> > > http://sifteo.com/
> > > +1 415 621 1566 (tel:%2B1%20415%20621%201566) (office)
> > > +1 415 789 4180 (tel:%2B1%20415%20789%204180) (fax)
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> > > Mechanical Engineer
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From louise.s.fox at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 11:52:48 2012
From: louise.s.fox at gmail.com (Louise Fox)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 11:52:48 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] YES!!! Awesome freestanding materials library from
 Inventables, free to a good home
In-Reply-To: <CAPxmc0HetwpcL9YbjKUdCrTey3R7gdxjexsat=o-axMRHf-85w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPxmc0Gy6maYWN0maO_yvFoAMUQ2XcMv080g=YeCxFywU6He1A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPxmc0HetwpcL9YbjKUdCrTey3R7gdxjexsat=o-axMRHf-85w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPxmc0F1ADFvNb9a-xQC2AkeYzAaLdkAUUrLVDtxQDP5Ar55DA@mail.gmail.com>

OK I got help in SF. If some people could meet me at acemonster at like 7pm
to unload it that would be great.

Thanks,
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From drorex at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 17:54:47 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:54:47 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] tplink wifi routers from china have arrived
Message-ID: <CACAQXeJc1+w66H5JjkaYKi8s4o8aykn0csbSkoVz3Tr-gLXifQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dropping them off at the space tonight, come get yours whenever you
have a chance. In the near future I plan to write a tutorial on
hooking them up to an arduino and using it to send/receive data over
wifi.


From tewing at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 18:01:00 2012
From: tewing at gmail.com (Terry Ewing)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:01:00 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] tplink wifi routers from china have arrived
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXeJc1+w66H5JjkaYKi8s4o8aykn0csbSkoVz3Tr-gLXifQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACAQXeJc1+w66H5JjkaYKi8s4o8aykn0csbSkoVz3Tr-gLXifQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <811CC887-EF4C-470A-9767-9D1B27FC6EC8@gmail.com>

I got mine in the mail today too.  Let me know if you find any novel use.

On Jan 4, 2012, at 5:54 PM, David Rorex wrote:

> Dropping them off at the space tonight, come get yours whenever you
> have a chance. In the near future I plan to write a tutorial on
> hooking them up to an arduino and using it to send/receive data over
> wifi.
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss



From myles at tenhand.com  Wed Jan  4 20:07:28 2012
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:07:28 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] tplink wifi routers from china have arrived
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXeJc1+w66H5JjkaYKi8s4o8aykn0csbSkoVz3Tr-gLXifQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACAQXeJc1+w66H5JjkaYKi8s4o8aykn0csbSkoVz3Tr-gLXifQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0FECE9C4-4580-45FD-B3F6-61E5DC81306A@tenhand.com>

Will the first person to set up a cross compile chroot or VM please post it to the list? 

I'm finishing up a holiday project that could make one of these into a nice crypto NAS box.

( is anyone a black belt in python installers? Py2exe etc? I'm getting hung up on making pycrypto usb portable)

Sent from my mobile

On Jan 4, 2012, at 5:54 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dropping them off at the space tonight, come get yours whenever you
> have a chance. In the near future I plan to write a tutorial on
> hooking them up to an arduino and using it to send/receive data over
> wifi.
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss


From albill at openbuddha.com  Wed Jan  4 20:35:23 2012
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:35:23 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] tplink wifi routers from china have arrived
In-Reply-To: <0FECE9C4-4580-45FD-B3F6-61E5DC81306A@tenhand.com>
References: <CACAQXeJc1+w66H5JjkaYKi8s4o8aykn0csbSkoVz3Tr-gLXifQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<0FECE9C4-4580-45FD-B3F6-61E5DC81306A@tenhand.com>
Message-ID: <F159A950-0F19-4833-B899-BDEAB545C474@openbuddha.com>

What kind of holiday projects do you do?

On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:07 PM, myles <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:

> Will the first person to set up a cross compile chroot or VM please post it to the list? 
> 
> I'm finishing up a holiday project that could make one of these into a nice crypto NAS box.
> 
> ( is anyone a black belt in python installers? Py2exe etc? I'm getting hung up on making pycrypto usb portable)
> 
> Sent from my mobile
> 
> On Jan 4, 2012, at 5:54 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Dropping them off at the space tonight, come get yours whenever you
>> have a chance. In the near future I plan to write a tutorial on
>> hooking them up to an arduino and using it to send/receive data over
>> wifi.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss


From drorex at gmail.com  Thu Jan  5 11:52:17 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 11:52:17 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] LED sign upgraded with Teensy
Message-ID: <CACAQXeL2y549+AVGpN3EUik3V_vOxwSsV5nWqsQcWDy6pf06Sw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Paul,

Here's some photos of a LED sign where I replaced the built in control
board (some old Intel 8051 that could only display boring text) with a
Teensy, now it's showing Conway's Game of Life, and potential to do lots
more stuff. Thanks again for your donation to Ace Monster Toys!

https://plus.google.com/photos/103650532781400442261/albums/5694237006412014273

-David R
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From tewing at gmail.com  Thu Jan  5 15:29:31 2012
From: tewing at gmail.com (Terry Ewing)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 15:29:31 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] tplink wifi routers from china have arrived
In-Reply-To: <F159A950-0F19-4833-B899-BDEAB545C474@openbuddha.com>
References: <CACAQXeJc1+w66H5JjkaYKi8s4o8aykn0csbSkoVz3Tr-gLXifQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<0FECE9C4-4580-45FD-B3F6-61E5DC81306A@tenhand.com>
	<F159A950-0F19-4833-B899-BDEAB545C474@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <85A1CE39-5EED-49AC-9940-F0D5A3B50B09@gmail.com>

I flashed mine to OpenWRT yesterday but haven't had a chance to play with it yet beyond loggin in and running top.  Pretty cool device.


On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:35 PM, Al Jigen Billings wrote:

> What kind of holiday projects do you do?
> 
> On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:07 PM, myles <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:
> 
>> Will the first person to set up a cross compile chroot or VM please post it to the list? 
>> 
>> I'm finishing up a holiday project that could make one of these into a nice crypto NAS box.
>> 
>> ( is anyone a black belt in python installers? Py2exe etc? I'm getting hung up on making pycrypto usb portable)
>> 
>> Sent from my mobile
>> 
>> On Jan 4, 2012, at 5:54 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Dropping them off at the space tonight, come get yours whenever you
>>> have a chance. In the near future I plan to write a tutorial on
>>> hooking them up to an arduino and using it to send/receive data over
>>> wifi.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss



From myles at tenhand.com  Thu Jan  5 16:12:21 2012
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 16:12:21 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] tplink wifi routers from china have arrived
In-Reply-To: <F159A950-0F19-4833-B899-BDEAB545C474@openbuddha.com>
References: <CACAQXeJc1+w66H5JjkaYKi8s4o8aykn0csbSkoVz3Tr-gLXifQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<0FECE9C4-4580-45FD-B3F6-61E5DC81306A@tenhand.com>
	<F159A950-0F19-4833-B899-BDEAB545C474@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <932605B0-12A4-4293-AEC1-45F289115A34@tenhand.com>


On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:35 PM, Al Jigen Billings wrote:

> What kind of holiday projects do you do?

Same as everybody else: scratching that open source itch while procrastinating taxes & recovering from the terror of two year old cousins. 

http://www.tenhand.com/cryptsftp/  is my current rough draft. It's a bit of python code that mates SFTP to GPG. The result is a dirt simple, cross platform UI for people to encrypt files that are stored on a USB or dropbox drive. Unlike everything else, it doesn't require admin rights to use.  

I need to go back through & make it more pythonic, set up git &etc,  but if you're bored, I'd like feedback. 

From mike.gittelsohn at gmail.com  Thu Jan  5 16:54:40 2012
From: mike.gittelsohn at gmail.com (mike gittelsohn)
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:54:40 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] tplink wifi routers from china have arrived
Message-ID: <6t8i3yqpol4igg2a598nyfbp.1325811280985@email.android.com>



T-Mobile. America?s First Nationwide 4G Network

myles <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:

>
>On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:35 PM, Al Jigen Billings wrote:
>
>> What kind of holiday projects do you do?
>
>Same as everybody else: scratching that open source itch while procrastinating taxes & recovering from the terror of two year old cousins. 
>
>http://www.tenhand.com/cryptsftp/  is my current rough draft. It's a bit of python code that mates SFTP to GPG. The result is a dirt simple, cross platform UI for people to encrypt files that are stored on a USB or dropbox drive. Unlike everything else, it doesn't require admin rights to use.  
>
>I need to go back through & make it more pythonic, set up git &etc,  but if you're bored, I'd like feedback. 
>_______________________________________________
>Discuss mailing list
>Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss

From thadwooster at gmail.com  Thu Jan  5 20:11:43 2012
From: thadwooster at gmail.com (Thaddeus Wooster)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 20:11:43 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] tplink wifi routers from china have arrived
In-Reply-To: <0FECE9C4-4580-45FD-B3F6-61E5DC81306A@tenhand.com>
References: <CACAQXeJc1+w66H5JjkaYKi8s4o8aykn0csbSkoVz3Tr-gLXifQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<0FECE9C4-4580-45FD-B3F6-61E5DC81306A@tenhand.com>
Message-ID: <CAM-dY3G14wrOjUmryf4dTAnem=vRircbHMvVWmP5W+_beFWubg@mail.gmail.com>

I have OpenWRT running on mine now. I posted directions at
http://wiki.acemonstertoys.org/Tp-link_router

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 8:07 PM, myles <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:
> Will the first person to set up a cross compile chroot or VM please post it to the list?
>
> I'm finishing up a holiday project that could make one of these into a nice crypto NAS box.
>
> ( is anyone a black belt in python installers? Py2exe etc? I'm getting hung up on making pycrypto usb portable)
>
> Sent from my mobile
>
> On Jan 4, 2012, at 5:54 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dropping them off at the space tonight, come get yours whenever you
>> have a chance. In the near future I plan to write a tutorial on
>> hooking them up to an arduino and using it to send/receive data over
>> wifi.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss


From paul at pjrc.com  Fri Jan  6 07:25:59 2012
From: paul at pjrc.com (Paul Stoffregen)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 07:25:59 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] LED sign upgraded with Teensy
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXeL2y549+AVGpN3EUik3V_vOxwSsV5nWqsQcWDy6pf06Sw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACAQXeL2y549+AVGpN3EUik3V_vOxwSsV5nWqsQcWDy6pf06Sw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F071287.60202@pjrc.com>

Wow, nice work!  :-)

I'm glad to see you guys are putting the Teensys to good use.

I added this on the Teensy Projects page, with links to your google+ pages.

http://www.pjrc.com/teensy/projects.html


On 01/05/2012 11:52 AM, David Rorex wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> Here's some photos of a LED sign where I replaced the built in control 
> board (some old Intel 8051 that could only display boring text) with a 
> Teensy, now it's showing Conway's Game of Life, and potential to do 
> lots more stuff. Thanks again for your donation to Ace Monster Toys!
>
> https://plus.google.com/photos/103650532781400442261/albums/5694237006412014273
>
> -David R



From slick at rebelbase.com  Fri Jan  6 15:16:46 2012
From: slick at rebelbase.com (slick)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 15:16:46 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Who thinks this is a cool as I do?
Message-ID: <CAMmuSotXiLokKqENW4HiFf80=F0r1vN_obWxph+P7MYqY_KdiQ@mail.gmail.com>

Robotic Zen Garden
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fnbrit/zen-table


From drorex at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 15:31:07 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 15:31:07 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Who thinks this is a cool as I do?
In-Reply-To: <CAMmuSotXiLokKqENW4HiFf80=F0r1vN_obWxph+P7MYqY_KdiQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMmuSotXiLokKqENW4HiFf80=F0r1vN_obWxph+P7MYqY_KdiQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACAQXe+MWUMJdVrYt5P_4wdthBL8Qw6bXdQTuAWS-xG0bdNYwg@mail.gmail.com>

I saw a giant version of that at the Maker Faire...basically a raised
sandbox with a metal ball in the sand, and underneath was a big magnet that
could drive around and drag the metal ball to make the patterns.

On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 3:16 PM, slick <slick at rebelbase.com> wrote:

> Robotic Zen Garden
> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fnbrit/zen-table
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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From ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com  Fri Jan  6 16:10:38 2012
From: ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com (Christopher Cook)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 16:10:38 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Who thinks this is a cool as I do?
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXe+MWUMJdVrYt5P_4wdthBL8Qw6bXdQTuAWS-xG0bdNYwg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMmuSotXiLokKqENW4HiFf80=F0r1vN_obWxph+P7MYqY_KdiQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACAQXe+MWUMJdVrYt5P_4wdthBL8Qw6bXdQTuAWS-xG0bdNYwg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMDVYoZ13HJnkOpvLwN15x-LZBVLHueBcBqvNe=8yEkmphV8OA@mail.gmail.com>

This thing is missing a pair of etch-a-sketch knobs.

Goes to show that there are a lot of ways to repurpose a good X/Y axis
device.

We could crank out all sorts of neat things if we could pool a better
understanding of the mechanics / parts sourcing. The rods, bearings, belts,
and gear matching. This is what's been keeping me from doing a few
cnc/plotter/printer type projects. Picking the right belt (pitch, pitch
length, groove?) from a catalog of thousands that matched the stepper motor
I salvaged or got from ebay has always been to daunting.

Is anyone able/available for that type of instruction?


On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 3:31 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:

> I saw a giant version of that at the Maker Faire...basically a raised
> sandbox with a metal ball in the sand, and underneath was a big magnet that
> could drive around and drag the metal ball to make the patterns.
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 3:16 PM, slick <slick at rebelbase.com> wrote:
>
>> Robotic Zen Garden
>> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fnbrit/zen-table
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
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From hephaestus at antipunk.net  Fri Jan  6 16:20:10 2012
From: hephaestus at antipunk.net (Hephaestus)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 16:20:10 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Who thinks this is a cool as I do?
In-Reply-To: <CAMDVYoZ13HJnkOpvLwN15x-LZBVLHueBcBqvNe=8yEkmphV8OA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMmuSotXiLokKqENW4HiFf80=F0r1vN_obWxph+P7MYqY_KdiQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACAQXe+MWUMJdVrYt5P_4wdthBL8Qw6bXdQTuAWS-xG0bdNYwg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMDVYoZ13HJnkOpvLwN15x-LZBVLHueBcBqvNe=8yEkmphV8OA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABZdcAk3kWGSAPFLna-fWXZgKuyL0r7g_=2+2bpKcSNb1-Eobg@mail.gmail.com>

I like the makerslide system, you might want to check it out, it seems
to have a bunch of well-matched parts available for relatively cheap.

http://store.makerslide.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=6

--
heph

On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Christopher Cook
<ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com> wrote:
> This thing is missing a pair of etch-a-sketch knobs.
>
> Goes to show that there are a lot of ways to repurpose a good X/Y axis
> device.
>
> We could crank out all sorts of neat things if we could pool a better
> understanding of the mechanics / parts sourcing. The rods, bearings, belts,
> and gear matching. This is what's been keeping me from doing a few
> cnc/plotter/printer type projects. Picking the right belt (pitch, pitch
> length, groove?) from a catalog of thousands that matched the stepper motor
> I salvaged or got from ebay has always been to daunting.
>
> Is anyone able/available for that type of instruction?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 3:31 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I saw a giant version of that at the Maker Faire...basically a raised
>> sandbox with a metal ball in the sand, and underneath was a big magnet that
>> could drive around and drag the metal ball to make the patterns.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 3:16 PM, slick <slick at rebelbase.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Robotic Zen Garden
>>> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fnbrit/zen-table
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>


From louise.s.fox at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 21:56:10 2012
From: louise.s.fox at gmail.com (Louise Fox)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 21:56:10 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Anyone interesting in making one?
Message-ID: <CAPxmc0FYhsEoNTqeYB5qsesD3FkKw81Rt42MkDesK8mOPgELSg@mail.gmail.com>

http://hackedgadgets.com/2011/05/29/96-solenoid-waterfall-display/

-- 
Louise Fox
Mechanical Engineer
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From garrattgallagher at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 01:27:25 2012
From: garrattgallagher at gmail.com (Garratt Gallagher)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 01:27:25 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] tplink wifi routers from china have arrived
In-Reply-To: <CAM-dY3G14wrOjUmryf4dTAnem=vRircbHMvVWmP5W+_beFWubg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACAQXeJc1+w66H5JjkaYKi8s4o8aykn0csbSkoVz3Tr-gLXifQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<0FECE9C4-4580-45FD-B3F6-61E5DC81306A@tenhand.com>
	<CAM-dY3G14wrOjUmryf4dTAnem=vRircbHMvVWmP5W+_beFWubg@mail.gmail.com>
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I added some more info on how to get the network settings set up on the
router, since the recommended flash doesn't have a web interface.
The tone should be directed to people who know some CLI, but might not know
everything about openwrt.

http://wiki.acemonstertoys.org/Tp-link_Setup

it links off of the main
Tp-link_router<http://wiki.acemonstertoys.org/Tp-link_router>page.

The end result is that you configure the router with the ethernet jack, and
set the wireless up in client mode.  Since these are super small and cheap,
I'd assume you would be putting them around the house as clients.  ( I know
I will )

Garratt


On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Thaddeus Wooster <thadwooster at gmail.com>wrote:

> I have OpenWRT running on mine now. I posted directions at
> http://wiki.acemonstertoys.org/Tp-link_router
>
> On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 8:07 PM, myles <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:
> > Will the first person to set up a cross compile chroot or VM please post
> it to the list?
> >
> > I'm finishing up a holiday project that could make one of these into a
> nice crypto NAS box.
> >
> > ( is anyone a black belt in python installers? Py2exe etc? I'm getting
> hung up on making pycrypto usb portable)
> >
> > Sent from my mobile
> >
> > On Jan 4, 2012, at 5:54 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Dropping them off at the space tonight, come get yours whenever you
> >> have a chance. In the near future I plan to write a tutorial on
> >> hooking them up to an arduino and using it to send/receive data over
> >> wifi.
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Discuss mailing list
> >> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> >> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> > _______________________________________________
> > Discuss mailing list
> > Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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From interrupt80h at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 13:37:00 2012
From: interrupt80h at gmail.com (interrupt80h at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:37:00 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] tplink wifi routers from china have arrived
In-Reply-To: <CAKsYZbN_uN_03+bKV=AhCD4QN3OJv3+aMUuzwHD+BPmB2=x_DA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACAQXeJc1+w66H5JjkaYKi8s4o8aykn0csbSkoVz3Tr-gLXifQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<0FECE9C4-4580-45FD-B3F6-61E5DC81306A@tenhand.com>
	<CAM-dY3G14wrOjUmryf4dTAnem=vRircbHMvVWmP5W+_beFWubg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAM-dY3FFZR3iXyWG7SucOg17SRgaB7EopN1iAMywdNwZKb0ptA@mail.gmail.com>

I've got cross-compiling working for linux+uClibc. Directions posted
on the wiki: http://wiki.acemonstertoys.org/Tp-link_router#Cross-compiling

I've also posted notes on poking the blue LED device and restoring
access if you lock yourself out of OpenWRT.

-wooster

On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 1:27 AM, Garratt Gallagher
<garrattgallagher at gmail.com> wrote:
> I added some more info on how to get the network settings set up on the
> router, since the recommended flash doesn't have a web interface.
> The tone should be directed to people who know some CLI, but might not know
> everything about openwrt.
>
> http://wiki.acemonstertoys.org/Tp-link_Setup
>
> it links off of the main Tp-link_router page.
>
> The end result is that you configure the router with the ethernet jack, and
> set the wireless up in client mode.? Since these are super small and cheap,
> I'd assume you would be putting them around the house as clients.? ( I know
> I will )
>
> Garratt
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Thaddeus Wooster <thadwooster at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I have OpenWRT running on mine now. I posted directions at
>> http://wiki.acemonstertoys.org/Tp-link_router
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 8:07 PM, myles <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:
>> > Will the first person to set up a cross compile chroot or VM please post
>> > it to the list?
>> >
>> > I'm finishing up a holiday project that could make one of these into a
>> > nice crypto NAS box.
>> >
>> > ( is anyone a black belt in python installers? Py2exe etc? I'm getting
>> > hung up on making pycrypto usb portable)
>> >
>> > Sent from my mobile
>> >
>> > On Jan 4, 2012, at 5:54 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dropping them off at the space tonight, come get yours whenever you
>> >> have a chance. In the near future I plan to write a tutorial on
>> >> hooking them up to an arduino and using it to send/receive data over
>> >> wifi.
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Discuss mailing list
>> >> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> >> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Discuss mailing list
>> > Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>


From myles at tenhand.com  Sun Jan  8 16:03:40 2012
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 16:03:40 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Serial Console on TP-link routers
In-Reply-To: <CAM-dY3FFZR3iXyWG7SucOg17SRgaB7EopN1iAMywdNwZKb0ptA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACAQXeJc1+w66H5JjkaYKi8s4o8aykn0csbSkoVz3Tr-gLXifQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<0FECE9C4-4580-45FD-B3F6-61E5DC81306A@tenhand.com>
	<CAM-dY3G14wrOjUmryf4dTAnem=vRircbHMvVWmP5W+_beFWubg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKsYZbN_uN_03+bKV=AhCD4QN3OJv3+aMUuzwHD+BPmB2=x_DA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAM-dY3FFZR3iXyWG7SucOg17SRgaB7EopN1iAMywdNwZKb0ptA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E7C5C380-A670-4DC6-9596-B6DC8528756A@tenhand.com>

I managed to get serial console working on all 3 of my routers.

Skill required: moderate
Hassle factor: quite high. 
Success factor: Serial isn't hard, avoiding peripheral damage is. 

Tips:
Thick/coper wire wrap wire worked best for me. Aluminum wire wrap was too hard to solder, even if a better size. 26 gauge was much too big. 

Each of the TX & RX pads leads to an empty spot for a capacitor to ground. Those pads are easier to solder to than the gold pads. One of them, (RX?) is also connected to a resistor. That resistor is by far the easiest thing to solder to.  The other gold pad is a good distance away, so I'd suggest starting with one pad & that resistor. 

For the ground, use the side of the USB jack towards the pads. 

The pads and solder joints are quite fragile.  My method was to put the wire in almost vertically, as though it was a through hole part. This is extra fragile, so as soon as both wires are in place, test for continuity & shorts, then glob on hot glue. 

What not to do: 
Be super careful cleaning the tip of your iron, and be sure you don't have too much solder on the wire or iron tip. On one unit I dropped a blob on a tiny cap & ended up removing the cap. On the other, I flicked a hot wire directly onto 2 leads of the RAM chip & shorted all 3 wires together.  That took some work to fix. 

Remember to keep your leads short. I have spaghetti in the case, which I suspect will interfere with either wireless or serial. 




From myles at tenhand.com  Sun Jan  8 21:43:26 2012
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 21:43:26 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Who wants a $17 hackable wifi router? (group buy)
In-Reply-To: <03C580B0-EA57-4DD6-931A-51637C8F5E04@tenhand.com>
References: <CACAQXe+FqgMMcqzqeXJmUQDmG1pnKNnZLbEi0wQYv01KgnsBAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<03C580B0-EA57-4DD6-931A-51637C8F5E04@tenhand.com>
Message-ID: <51DE5129-3C3A-4F12-8D2B-4B4003014952@tenhand.com>


Did anyone miss the first buy & want a second chance? 
Now that I've used them, I want to buy a few more before they rev the parts again. 
Deal extreme is out of stock, we'll see if David's connection still works. 



The remaining question is what is the cheapest way to power them from battery. The voltage regulator needs about 3.8 - 7.x volts. 
- 4x AAA Nimh - should work quite well. 
- 2x AA with a boost circuit. 
- One of those Cell phone recharger units with a 3.2 Lipo and a boost circuit built in. Anyone know a deal extreme/ebay version that has good circutry? 
- DIY 2x liPo cradle with a regulator down to 5 volts. 




From myles at tenhand.com  Sun Jan  8 22:57:15 2012
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 22:57:15 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Event idea: swap meet
Message-ID: <98CD3E71-6D09-45D2-A3B8-104E85B7A5B9@tenhand.com>


Have any of the bay area hacker spaces hosted a swap meet?

The ham ones are a pain to get to, and the Berkeley electronic musicians one seems defunct . 

We could Advertise at al lasher,meetup and... ?

We could probably rig up space for 3-5 table sellers inside, plus space for posters & toolchests, plus selling from trunks out friont. 

Thoughts?

( I have too many old arduinos and not enough dc boost circuits today)


Sent from my mobile

From albill at openbuddha.com  Sun Jan  8 23:10:37 2012
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 23:10:37 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Event idea: swap meet
In-Reply-To: <98CD3E71-6D09-45D2-A3B8-104E85B7A5B9@tenhand.com>
References: <98CD3E71-6D09-45D2-A3B8-104E85B7A5B9@tenhand.com>
Message-ID: <7F26CDB0-B0A1-46A6-BBB5-0092395C24F7@openbuddha.com>

Sounds like a great idea.

On Jan 8, 2012, at 10:57 PM, myles <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:

> 
> Have any of the bay area hacker spaces hosted a swap meet?
> 
> The ham ones are a pain to get to, and the Berkeley electronic musicians one seems defunct . 
> 
> We could Advertise at al lasher,meetup and... ?
> 
> We could probably rig up space for 3-5 table sellers inside, plus space for posters & toolchests, plus selling from trunks out friont. 
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> ( I have too many old arduinos and not enough dc boost circuits today)
> 
> 
> Sent from my mobile
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss


From tewing at gmail.com  Sun Jan  8 23:23:34 2012
From: tewing at gmail.com (Terry Ewing)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 23:23:34 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] X10 gear
Message-ID: <F306F421-1CDF-469F-AB06-221EBE539702@gmail.com>

Anyone have any old X10 power modules they'd be willing to part with?  I have a couple projects that could use some of this gear and I thought I'd check on the list before I think about buying new modules.



From interrupt80h at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 10:17:14 2012
From: interrupt80h at gmail.com (interrupt80h at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 10:17:14 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Event idea: swap meet
In-Reply-To: <7F26CDB0-B0A1-46A6-BBB5-0092395C24F7@openbuddha.com>
References: <98CD3E71-6D09-45D2-A3B8-104E85B7A5B9@tenhand.com>
	<7F26CDB0-B0A1-46A6-BBB5-0092395C24F7@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <CAM-dY3EeE-pGP9ObPeSueACaMaeLgXEiN5mDYN+hZw2ZBvqHvw@mail.gmail.com>

The electronic music swap meet at the Gilman was advertised on the
SPAZlist, spockmorgue and brutalSFX mailing lists, so those would be
good places.

-Wooster

On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 11:10 PM, Al Jigen Billings
<albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> Sounds like a great idea.
>
> On Jan 8, 2012, at 10:57 PM, myles <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Have any of the bay area hacker spaces hosted a swap meet?
>>
>> The ham ones are a pain to get to, and the Berkeley electronic musicians one seems defunct .
>>
>> We could Advertise at al lasher,meetup and... ?
>>
>> We could probably rig up space for 3-5 table sellers inside, plus space for posters & toolchests, plus selling from trunks out friont.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> ( I have too many old arduinos and not enough dc boost circuits today)
>>
>>
>> Sent from my mobile
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss


From ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com  Mon Jan  9 10:31:21 2012
From: ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com (Christopher Cook)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 10:31:21 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Event idea: swap meet
In-Reply-To: <CAM-dY3EeE-pGP9ObPeSueACaMaeLgXEiN5mDYN+hZw2ZBvqHvw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <98CD3E71-6D09-45D2-A3B8-104E85B7A5B9@tenhand.com>
	<7F26CDB0-B0A1-46A6-BBB5-0092395C24F7@openbuddha.com>
	<CAM-dY3EeE-pGP9ObPeSueACaMaeLgXEiN5mDYN+hZw2ZBvqHvw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMDVYoa1yxEY4W4b0iG5v+mrSC+OVXK1TsSeN5+PuSN+Ea1TJA@mail.gmail.com>

Awesome idea

On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 10:17 AM, <interrupt80h at gmail.com> wrote:

> The electronic music swap meet at the Gilman was advertised on the
> SPAZlist, spockmorgue and brutalSFX mailing lists, so those would be
> good places.
>
> -Wooster
>
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 11:10 PM, Al Jigen Billings
> <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> > Sounds like a great idea.
> >
> > On Jan 8, 2012, at 10:57 PM, myles <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Have any of the bay area hacker spaces hosted a swap meet?
> >>
> >> The ham ones are a pain to get to, and the Berkeley electronic
> musicians one seems defunct .
> >>
> >> We could Advertise at al lasher,meetup and... ?
> >>
> >> We could probably rig up space for 3-5 table sellers inside, plus space
> for posters & toolchests, plus selling from trunks out friont.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >> ( I have too many old arduinos and not enough dc boost circuits today)
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my mobile
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Discuss mailing list
> >> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> >> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> > _______________________________________________
> > Discuss mailing list
> > Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
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From ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com  Mon Jan  9 10:33:27 2012
From: ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com (Christopher Cook)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 10:33:27 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] X10 gear
In-Reply-To: <F306F421-1CDF-469F-AB06-221EBE539702@gmail.com>
References: <F306F421-1CDF-469F-AB06-221EBE539702@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMDVYobbc7O=D9Mo07xeFVqu_Z1FYaxYM-8eAb298+_E303XrA@mail.gmail.com>

I've got a bunch of this stuff sitting around collecting dust.

What do you need? I'll need to dig around for it to figure exactly what
I've got.



On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:

> Anyone have any old X10 power modules they'd be willing to part with?  I
> have a couple projects that could use some of this gear and I thought I'd
> check on the list before I think about buying new modules.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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From tewing at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 11:21:13 2012
From: tewing at gmail.com (Terry Ewing)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 11:21:13 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] X10 gear
In-Reply-To: <CAMDVYobbc7O=D9Mo07xeFVqu_Z1FYaxYM-8eAb298+_E303XrA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F306F421-1CDF-469F-AB06-221EBE539702@gmail.com>
	<CAMDVYobbc7O=D9Mo07xeFVqu_Z1FYaxYM-8eAb298+_E303XrA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B0B35443-2DC8-427C-B42D-9AC9EDDF9074@gmail.com>

Well, I'm planning to give my 6-year old daughter the remote and let her control two different lights in her room.  I was thinking of using a couple lamp modules because the appliance modules have a loud relay. 

I used to have a bunch of this gear collecting dust in the basement but it seems to be the one box I got rid of in the last 10 years.  



On Jan 9, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Christopher Cook wrote:

> I've got a bunch of this stuff sitting around collecting dust.
> 
> What do you need? I'll need to dig around for it to figure exactly what I've got.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone have any old X10 power modules they'd be willing to part with?  I have a couple projects that could use some of this gear and I thought I'd check on the list before I think about buying new modules.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> 

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From ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com  Mon Jan  9 11:23:56 2012
From: ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com (Christopher Cook)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 11:23:56 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] X10 gear
In-Reply-To: <B0B35443-2DC8-427C-B42D-9AC9EDDF9074@gmail.com>
References: <F306F421-1CDF-469F-AB06-221EBE539702@gmail.com>
	<CAMDVYobbc7O=D9Mo07xeFVqu_Z1FYaxYM-8eAb298+_E303XrA@mail.gmail.com>
	<B0B35443-2DC8-427C-B42D-9AC9EDDF9074@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMDVYobPZun-gek07T_Y+K5HJ1zaWCj00WY7iDp7F9EajF=uSA@mail.gmail.com>

Ah right on.. then I've got you covered. Let me dig it up and I'll get back
to you.

On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, I'm planning to give my 6-year old daughter the remote and let her
> control two different lights in her room.  I was thinking of using a couple
> lamp modules because the appliance modules have a loud relay.
>
> I used to have a bunch of this gear collecting dust in the basement but it
> seems to be the one box I got rid of in the last 10 years.
>
>
>
> On Jan 9, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Christopher Cook wrote:
>
> I've got a bunch of this stuff sitting around collecting dust.
>
> What do you need? I'll need to dig around for it to figure exactly what
> I've got.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Anyone have any old X10 power modules they'd be willing to part with?  I
>> have a couple projects that could use some of this gear and I thought I'd
>> check on the list before I think about buying new modules.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>
>
>
>
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From slick at rebelbase.com  Tue Jan 10 08:39:53 2012
From: slick at rebelbase.com (slick)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 08:39:53 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Heads up!!!
Message-ID: <CAMmuSosOhYhW12r03OhQOTqnCqgMdBh73BiBJ0pOWQmhAwPgnQ@mail.gmail.com>

Tomorrow is Sparkfun's free day.

Last year it was so slow I couldn't get anything. I'm keeping my
fingers crossed for tomorrow.

9am MST 11 JAN 2011

http://www.sparkfun.com/news/780

get your captcha glasses on.


From albill at openbuddha.com  Tue Jan 10 10:34:58 2012
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigong Billings)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 10:34:58 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Spam: Once a Month All Day Buddhist Meditation Events
Message-ID: <4F0C84D2.5010207@openbuddha.com>

Hi all,

I'm only going to spam you all once or twice but I wanted to let anyone
who might be interested know that I'm running once a month, all day
meditation retreats in the Berkeley area. Normally on the third Sunday
of the month but a week later this time because of my going out of town.
Once a quarter, I'm running two day (all weekend) versions of the same
thing. These are open to anyone interested in meditation though the
focus is Buddhist. Strangely enough, I'm actually qualified for
meditation instruction.

I have a meetup for it as the Bay Area Open Sangha at
http://www.meetup.com/Bay-Area-Open-Sangha/ and a general website at
http://bayarea.opensangha.org. The specific event for this month is on
January 22 from 9:00 AM to 5:00 PM over on University Street and is up
at http://www.meetup.com/Bay-Area-Open-Sangha/events/45611712/.

If you're interested or have questions (or hate mail), please contact me
directly, off-list.

 Al



From me at robbiet.us  Tue Jan 10 10:35:57 2012
From: me at robbiet.us (Robbie Trencheny)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 10:35:57 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Spam: Once a Month All Day Buddhist Meditation Events
In-Reply-To: <4F0C84D2.5010207@openbuddha.com>
References: <4F0C84D2.5010207@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <CAPs-5xW6iUkAAJMhgEJ-ZvHTfbyht=16Zs12kg-CjeqKDaynCw@mail.gmail.com>

I did not ask for this message, I do not want it, please remove it from my
inbox and make sure it never happens again.


Robbie Trencheny (@robbie <http://twitter.com/robbie>)
Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
925-884-3728
robbie.io



On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Al Jigong Billings
<albill at openbuddha.com>wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm only going to spam you all once or twice but I wanted to let anyone
> who might be interested know that I'm running once a month, all day
> meditation retreats in the Berkeley area. Normally on the third Sunday
> of the month but a week later this time because of my going out of town.
> Once a quarter, I'm running two day (all weekend) versions of the same
> thing. These are open to anyone interested in meditation though the
> focus is Buddhist. Strangely enough, I'm actually qualified for
> meditation instruction.
>
> I have a meetup for it as the Bay Area Open Sangha at
> http://www.meetup.com/Bay-Area-Open-Sangha/ and a general website at
> http://bayarea.opensangha.org. The specific event for this month is on
> January 22 from 9:00 AM to 5:00 PM over on University Street and is up
> at http://www.meetup.com/Bay-Area-Open-Sangha/events/45611712/.
>
> If you're interested or have questions (or hate mail), please contact me
> directly, off-list.
>
>  Al
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Tue Jan 10 10:37:36 2012
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigong Billings)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 10:37:36 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Spam: Once a Month All Day Buddhist Meditation Events
In-Reply-To: <CAPs-5xW6iUkAAJMhgEJ-ZvHTfbyht=16Zs12kg-CjeqKDaynCw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F0C84D2.5010207@openbuddha.com>
	<CAPs-5xW6iUkAAJMhgEJ-ZvHTfbyht=16Zs12kg-CjeqKDaynCw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F0C8570.40605@openbuddha.com>

On 1/10/12 10:35 AM, Robbie Trencheny wrote:
> I did not ask for this message, I do not want it, please remove it
> from my inbox and make sure it never happens again.

I know where you live.


From me at robbiet.us  Tue Jan 10 10:42:31 2012
From: me at robbiet.us (Robbie Trencheny)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 10:42:31 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Notice of my impending departure aka I'm going to talk about
	me for a bit
Message-ID: <CAPs-5xUErPf5Ws1rGn53Z+mLSEeJeDjx7vjTUhKijWuNBZ2LEA@mail.gmail.com>

To all who shall see these presents or hear them read greetings,

I thought I would send this email to alert everyone to the fact that
starting Sunday I will be in Colorado Springs, Colorado and will remain
there for 1 month or 30 days, whichever comes first.

Why am I telling you this? Well, my company is about to launch a new
product which will be taking up the majority of my time.... Which means
that the 501(c)3 process is going to be delayed slightly...

Also, I will be gone and will not be able to provide you with the glorious
amount of notes that I usually write for every meeting, nor will I be able
to run said meeting in Al's absence.


(signed)

Robbie Trencheny (@robbie <http://twitter.com/robbie>)
Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
925-884-3728
robbie.io
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From robertcook at gmail.com  Tue Jan 10 10:52:04 2012
From: robertcook at gmail.com (Robert Cook)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 10:52:04 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Notice of my impending departure aka I'm going to talk
	about me for a bit
In-Reply-To: <CAPs-5xUErPf5Ws1rGn53Z+mLSEeJeDjx7vjTUhKijWuNBZ2LEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPs-5xUErPf5Ws1rGn53Z+mLSEeJeDjx7vjTUhKijWuNBZ2LEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B9E17D96-2571-419A-B3C8-298E8233DE92@gmail.com>

Product launch, indeed.  Robbie knows the end of the world is near and is burying himself in NORAD.  God help us all!  

Speaking of globally-important calamities, has anybody managed to clean the laser?  David, who is the most knowledgable (and casual) about the cleaning process is out of town. 

And when/if the laser is clean, what sort of process should we set up to get it cleaned periodically?  And what should that period be?  Sooner, I imagine, if people are burning cookies.

R

On Jan 10, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Robbie Trencheny wrote:

> To all who shall see these presents or hear them read greetings,
> 
> I thought I would send this email to alert everyone to the fact that starting Sunday I will be in Colorado Springs, Colorado and will remain there for 1 month or 30 days, whichever comes first. 
> 
> Why am I telling you this? Well, my company is about to launch a new product which will be taking up the majority of my time.... Which means that the 501(c)3 process is going to be delayed slightly...
> 
> Also, I will be gone and will not be able to provide you with the glorious amount of notes that I usually write for every meeting, nor will I be able to run said meeting in Al's absence.
> 
> 
> (signed)
> 
> Robbie Trencheny (@robbie)
> Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
> 925-884-3728
> robbie.io
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss

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From me at robbiet.us  Tue Jan 10 10:53:09 2012
From: me at robbiet.us (Robbie Trencheny)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 10:53:09 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Notice of my impending departure aka I'm going to talk
 about me for a bit
In-Reply-To: <B9E17D96-2571-419A-B3C8-298E8233DE92@gmail.com>
References: <CAPs-5xUErPf5Ws1rGn53Z+mLSEeJeDjx7vjTUhKijWuNBZ2LEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<B9E17D96-2571-419A-B3C8-298E8233DE92@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPs-5xW1v93cQ4yjUeZjf9ORea3fSKjST3eeWuRURBDqd=9_UQ@mail.gmail.com>

Sciencedamnit Robert, get your own thread! This one is mine!

Robbie Trencheny (@robbie <http://twitter.com/robbie>)
Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
925-884-3728
robbie.io



On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Robert Cook <robertcook at gmail.com> wrote:

> Product launch, indeed.  Robbie knows the end of the world is near and is
> burying himself in NORAD.  God help us all!
>
> Speaking of globally-important calamities, has anybody managed to clean
> the laser?  David, who is the most knowledgable (and casual) about the
> cleaning process is out of town.
>
> And when/if the laser is clean, what sort of process should we set up to
> get it cleaned periodically?  And what should that period be?  Sooner, I
> imagine, if people are burning cookies.
>
> R
>
> On Jan 10, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Robbie Trencheny wrote:
>
> To all who shall see these presents or hear them read greetings,
>
> I thought I would send this email to alert everyone to the fact that
> starting Sunday I will be in Colorado Springs, Colorado and will remain
> there for 1 month or 30 days, whichever comes first.
>
> Why am I telling you this? Well, my company is about to launch a new
> product which will be taking up the majority of my time.... Which means
> that the 501(c)3 process is going to be delayed slightly...
>
> Also, I will be gone and will not be able to provide you with the glorious
> amount of notes that I usually write for every meeting, nor will I be able
> to run said meeting in Al's absence.
>
>
> (signed)
>
> Robbie Trencheny (@robbie <http://twitter.com/robbie>)
> Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
> 925-884-3728
> robbie.io
>
>  _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
>
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Tue Jan 10 11:02:52 2012
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigong Billings)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 11:02:52 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Notice of my impending departure aka I'm going to talk
 about me for a bit
In-Reply-To: <B9E17D96-2571-419A-B3C8-298E8233DE92@gmail.com>
References: <CAPs-5xUErPf5Ws1rGn53Z+mLSEeJeDjx7vjTUhKijWuNBZ2LEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<B9E17D96-2571-419A-B3C8-298E8233DE92@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F0C8B5C.3080209@openbuddha.com>

On 1/10/12 10:52 AM, Robert Cook wrote:
> Product launch, indeed.  Robbie knows the end of the world is near and
> is burying himself in NORAD.  God help us all!  
>
> Speaking of globally-important calamities, has anybody managed to
> clean the laser?  David, who is the most knowledgable (and casual)
> about the cleaning process is out of town. 
>
> And when/if the laser is clean, what sort of process should we set up
> to get it cleaned periodically?  And what should that period be?
>  Sooner, I imagine, if people are burning cookies.
>

I don't think anyone has cleaned it but I could be wrong.

We should just set up a monthly reminder to do it.

Al



From atom_bomb at rocketmail.com  Tue Jan 10 11:18:17 2012
From: atom_bomb at rocketmail.com (Joe King)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 11:18:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AMTD] lazors (was Re: Notice of my impending departure aka I'm
	going to talk about me for a bit)
In-Reply-To: <4F0C8B5C.3080209@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <1326223097.17485.YahooMailClassic@web82905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


--- On Tue, 1/10/12, Al Jigong Billings <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:

> From: Al Jigong Billings <albill at openbuddha.com>
> Subject: Re: [AMTD] Notice of my impending departure aka I'm going to talk about me for a bit
> To: discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> Date: Tuesday, January 10, 2012, 11:02 AM
> On 1/10/12 10:52 AM, Robert Cook
> wrote:
> > Product launch, indeed.? Robbie knows the end of
> the world is near and
> > is burying himself in NORAD.? God help us
> all!? 
> >
> > Speaking of globally-important calamities, has anybody
> managed to
> > clean the laser?? David, who is the most
> knowledgable (and casual)
> > about the cleaning process is out of town. 
> >
> > And when/if the laser is clean, what sort of process
> should we set up
> > to get it cleaned periodically?? And what should
> that period be?
> >? Sooner, I imagine, if people are burning
> cookies.
> >
> 
> I don't think anyone has cleaned it but I could be wrong.
> 
> We should just set up a monthly reminder to do it.
> 
> Al
> 
> 


there are some directions for laser cleaning on the wiki. can one of you laser experts who has cleaned the laser before verify that they are complete enough for joe bag of donuts laser n00b to follow?

-atom


From albill at openbuddha.com  Tue Jan 10 11:23:48 2012
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigong Billings)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 11:23:48 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] lazors (was Re: Notice of my impending departure aka I'm
 going to talk about me for a bit)
In-Reply-To: <1326223097.17485.YahooMailClassic@web82905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1326223097.17485.YahooMailClassic@web82905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4F0C9044.5050307@openbuddha.com>

On 1/10/12 11:18 AM, Joe King wrote:
> there are some directions for laser cleaning on the wiki. can one of you laser experts who has cleaned the laser before verify that they are complete enough for joe bag of donuts laser n00b to follow?

That would be Robbie and David. I just saw part of it but not the part
where everything was reassembled and aligned.

Al


From garrattgallagher at gmail.com  Tue Jan 10 12:01:11 2012
From: garrattgallagher at gmail.com (Garratt Gallagher)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 12:01:11 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] lazors (was Re: Notice of my impending departure aka I'm
 going to talk about me for a bit)
In-Reply-To: <4F0C9044.5050307@openbuddha.com>
References: <1326223097.17485.YahooMailClassic@web82905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4F0C9044.5050307@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <CAKsYZbP6xOwawagwpTnf5bx7JnWf4EN8ZMS21eGsTSgtv4gD1w@mail.gmail.com>

I would be willing to perform periodic maintenance  - cleaning mostly,
although if alignment is really an issue, I could learn about and perform
those duties.  Also, since the red laser guide seems to be constantly out
of alignment, might I suggest a manual alignment procedure, where we have
an object of the correct thickness that we place in-between the laser and
the material?   We did that with the last laser I used, and it worked very
well.  After looking at the laser documentation, I'm still unsure on how
big the gap is supposed to be.

I am free most any time, so I can meet with whoever possesses the requisite
knowledge at their convenience.

cheers
Garratt


On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Al Jigong Billings
<albill at openbuddha.com>wrote:

> On 1/10/12 11:18 AM, Joe King wrote:
> > there are some directions for laser cleaning on the wiki. can one of you
> laser experts who has cleaned the laser before verify that they are
> complete enough for joe bag of donuts laser n00b to follow?
>
> That would be Robbie and David. I just saw part of it but not the part
> where everything was reassembled and aligned.
>
> Al
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
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From louise.s.fox at gmail.com  Tue Jan 10 13:31:35 2012
From: louise.s.fox at gmail.com (Louise Fox)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 13:31:35 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] lazors (was Re: Notice of my impending departure aka I'm
 going to talk about me for a bit)
In-Reply-To: <CAKsYZbP6xOwawagwpTnf5bx7JnWf4EN8ZMS21eGsTSgtv4gD1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1326223097.17485.YahooMailClassic@web82905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4F0C9044.5050307@openbuddha.com>
	<CAKsYZbP6xOwawagwpTnf5bx7JnWf4EN8ZMS21eGsTSgtv4gD1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPxmc0EvtvJpN9HZmqhb3bPpdPXrXwVVMCe_5TuRrV7e4ghdBw@mail.gmail.com>

I too, have worked with laser cutters and cleaning optics. I wouldn't mind
helping out with maintenance. Using a correct thickness works well but the
thickness between object changes with material. A focus offset is often
used to change the focus for various materials. I don't think our laser is
fancy enough to have a focus offset but I may be wrong. In any case we can
make various thickness for materials that we now work well.

-Louise

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Garratt Gallagher <
garrattgallagher at gmail.com> wrote:

> I would be willing to perform periodic maintenance  - cleaning mostly,
> although if alignment is really an issue, I could learn about and perform
> those duties.  Also, since the red laser guide seems to be constantly out
> of alignment, might I suggest a manual alignment procedure, where we have
> an object of the correct thickness that we place in-between the laser and
> the material?   We did that with the last laser I used, and it worked very
> well.  After looking at the laser documentation, I'm still unsure on how
> big the gap is supposed to be.
>
> I am free most any time, so I can meet with whoever possesses the
> requisite knowledge at their convenience.
>
> cheers
> Garratt
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Al Jigong Billings <
> albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/10/12 11:18 AM, Joe King wrote:
>> > there are some directions for laser cleaning on the wiki. can one of
>> you laser experts who has cleaned the laser before verify that they are
>> complete enough for joe bag of donuts laser n00b to follow?
>>
>> That would be Robbie and David. I just saw part of it but not the part
>> where everything was reassembled and aligned.
>>
>> Al
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
>


-- 
Louise Fox
Mechanical Engineer
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From garrattgallagher at gmail.com  Tue Jan 10 14:13:11 2012
From: garrattgallagher at gmail.com (Garratt Gallagher)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:13:11 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] lazors (was Re: Notice of my impending departure aka I'm
 going to talk about me for a bit)
In-Reply-To: <CAPxmc0EvtvJpN9HZmqhb3bPpdPXrXwVVMCe_5TuRrV7e4ghdBw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1326223097.17485.YahooMailClassic@web82905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4F0C9044.5050307@openbuddha.com>
	<CAKsYZbP6xOwawagwpTnf5bx7JnWf4EN8ZMS21eGsTSgtv4gD1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPxmc0EvtvJpN9HZmqhb3bPpdPXrXwVVMCe_5TuRrV7e4ghdBw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKsYZbMm8zKW=E7aUGJTErtU_P+UYsY8LMZ4TLt+C48J74hvEg@mail.gmail.com>

I was referring to an object that helps us place the laser at the correct
from the material, so that its focal point is on/in the material.  This
distance is independent of material.
Garratt

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Louise Fox <louise.s.fox at gmail.com> wrote:

> I too, have worked with laser cutters and cleaning optics. I wouldn't mind
> helping out with maintenance. Using a correct thickness works well but the
> thickness between object changes with material. A focus offset is often
> used to change the focus for various materials. I don't think our laser is
> fancy enough to have a focus offset but I may be wrong. In any case we can
> make various thickness for materials that we now work well.
>
> -Louise
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Garratt Gallagher <
> garrattgallagher at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I would be willing to perform periodic maintenance  - cleaning mostly,
>> although if alignment is really an issue, I could learn about and perform
>> those duties.  Also, since the red laser guide seems to be constantly out
>> of alignment, might I suggest a manual alignment procedure, where we have
>> an object of the correct thickness that we place in-between the laser and
>> the material?   We did that with the last laser I used, and it worked very
>> well.  After looking at the laser documentation, I'm still unsure on how
>> big the gap is supposed to be.
>>
>> I am free most any time, so I can meet with whoever possesses the
>> requisite knowledge at their convenience.
>>
>> cheers
>> Garratt
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Al Jigong Billings <
>> albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/10/12 11:18 AM, Joe King wrote:
>>> > there are some directions for laser cleaning on the wiki. can one of
>>> you laser experts who has cleaned the laser before verify that they are
>>> complete enough for joe bag of donuts laser n00b to follow?
>>>
>>> That would be Robbie and David. I just saw part of it but not the part
>>> where everything was reassembled and aligned.
>>>
>>> Al
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Louise Fox
> Mechanical Engineer
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
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From atom_bomb at rocketmail.com  Tue Jan 10 14:31:41 2012
From: atom_bomb at rocketmail.com (Joe King)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:31:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AMTD] lazors (was Re: Notice of my impending departure aka I'm
	going to talk about me for a bit)
In-Reply-To: <CAKsYZbMm8zKW=E7aUGJTErtU_P+UYsY8LMZ4TLt+C48J74hvEg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1326234701.80652.YahooMailClassic@web82902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

i don't know much about much but i recall nubsauce saying that the center of the target material is a great place for the focal point of the laser.. which makes for a more complicated focusing tool.

a lil measuring stick could get you in the ballpark for sure, then davr's procedure of firing a series of test dots at different z-heights seems like a way to prove that things are focused before actually running a job.


--- On Tue, 1/10/12, Garratt Gallagher <garrattgallagher at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Garratt Gallagher <garrattgallagher at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [AMTD] lazors (was Re: Notice of my impending departure aka I'm going to talk about me for a bit)
To: discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
Date: Tuesday, January 10, 2012, 2:13 PM

I was referring to an object that helps us place the laser at the correct from the material, so that its focal point is on/in the material.? This distance is independent of material.
Garratt


On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Louise Fox <louise.s.fox at gmail.com> wrote:

I too, have worked with laser cutters and cleaning optics. I wouldn't mind helping out with?maintenance. Using a correct thickness works well but the thickness between object changes with material. A focus offset is often used to change the focus for various materials. I don't think our laser is fancy enough to have a focus offset but I may be wrong. In any case we can make various thickness for materials that we now work well.


-Louise

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Garratt Gallagher <garrattgallagher at gmail.com> wrote:


I would be willing to perform periodic maintenance? - cleaning mostly, although if alignment is really an issue, I could learn about and perform those duties.? Also, since the red laser guide seems to be constantly out of alignment, might I suggest a manual alignment procedure, where we have an object of the correct thickness that we place in-between the laser and the material??? We did that with the last laser I used, and it worked very well.? After looking at the laser documentation, I'm still unsure on how big the gap is supposed to be.




I am free most any time, so I can meet with whoever possesses the requisite knowledge at their convenience.

cheers
Garratt



On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Al Jigong Billings <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:

On 1/10/12 11:18 AM, Joe King wrote:

> there are some directions for laser cleaning on the wiki. can one of you laser experts who has cleaned the laser before verify that they are complete enough for joe bag of donuts laser n00b to follow?



That would be Robbie and David. I just saw part of it but not the part

where everything was reassembled and aligned.



Al

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Discuss mailing list

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-- 
Louise Fox 
Mechanical Engineer



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From louise.s.fox at gmail.com  Tue Jan 10 14:41:44 2012
From: louise.s.fox at gmail.com (Louise Fox)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:41:44 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] lazors (was Re: Notice of my impending departure aka I'm
 going to talk about me for a bit)
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the FL will stay the same but the the assist gas will be closer or farther
away. Certain materials require the assist gas to be closer than others.
This adjusts the nozzle of the height rather than the FL. Do we have that
kind of control with this laser cutter?

-Louise

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Garratt Gallagher <
garrattgallagher at gmail.com> wrote:

> I was referring to an object that helps us place the laser at the correct
> from the material, so that its focal point is on/in the material.  This
> distance is independent of material.
> Garratt
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Louise Fox <louise.s.fox at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I too, have worked with laser cutters and cleaning optics. I wouldn't
>> mind helping out with maintenance. Using a correct thickness works well but
>> the thickness between object changes with material. A focus offset is often
>> used to change the focus for various materials. I don't think our laser is
>> fancy enough to have a focus offset but I may be wrong. In any case we can
>> make various thickness for materials that we now work well.
>>
>> -Louise
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Garratt Gallagher <
>> garrattgallagher at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I would be willing to perform periodic maintenance  - cleaning mostly,
>>> although if alignment is really an issue, I could learn about and perform
>>> those duties.  Also, since the red laser guide seems to be constantly out
>>> of alignment, might I suggest a manual alignment procedure, where we have
>>> an object of the correct thickness that we place in-between the laser and
>>> the material?   We did that with the last laser I used, and it worked very
>>> well.  After looking at the laser documentation, I'm still unsure on how
>>> big the gap is supposed to be.
>>>
>>> I am free most any time, so I can meet with whoever possesses the
>>> requisite knowledge at their convenience.
>>>
>>> cheers
>>> Garratt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Al Jigong Billings <
>>> albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/10/12 11:18 AM, Joe King wrote:
>>>> > there are some directions for laser cleaning on the wiki. can one of
>>>> you laser experts who has cleaned the laser before verify that they are
>>>> complete enough for joe bag of donuts laser n00b to follow?
>>>>
>>>> That would be Robbie and David. I just saw part of it but not the part
>>>> where everything was reassembled and aligned.
>>>>
>>>> Al
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Discuss mailing list
>>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Louise Fox
>> Mechanical Engineer
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
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>>
>>
>
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>


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From romanian at gmail.com  Tue Jan 10 14:58:44 2012
From: romanian at gmail.com (Stefan Hristu)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:58:44 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] lazors (was Re: Notice of my impending departure aka I'm
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We could crack some jokes regarding what the, ahem.. "assist gas" might be;
however in our case it is air. So none such complex adjustments :)

The focusing is highly dependent on the lens (i recall ours being 2.5 cm
focal length? I may be wrong). For simplicity, we focus on material top
surface, assuming relatively thin materials are used.

There is also the adjustment of the focusing lens relative to the mirror
above it, and for this part we may need more investigation. I propose using
a visible laser to better understand its effects on focus.

Stefan
On Jan 10, 2012 2:41 PM, "Louise Fox" <louise.s.fox at gmail.com> wrote:

> the FL will stay the same but the the assist gas will be closer or farther
> away. Certain materials require the assist gas to be closer than others.
> This adjusts the nozzle of the height rather than the FL. Do we have that
> kind of control with this laser cutter?
>
> -Louise
>
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Garratt Gallagher <
> garrattgallagher at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I was referring to an object that helps us place the laser at the correct
>> from the material, so that its focal point is on/in the material.  This
>> distance is independent of material.
>> Garratt
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Louise Fox <louise.s.fox at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I too, have worked with laser cutters and cleaning optics. I wouldn't
>>> mind helping out with maintenance. Using a correct thickness works well but
>>> the thickness between object changes with material. A focus offset is often
>>> used to change the focus for various materials. I don't think our laser is
>>> fancy enough to have a focus offset but I may be wrong. In any case we can
>>> make various thickness for materials that we now work well.
>>>
>>> -Louise
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Garratt Gallagher <
>>> garrattgallagher at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would be willing to perform periodic maintenance  - cleaning mostly,
>>>> although if alignment is really an issue, I could learn about and perform
>>>> those duties.  Also, since the red laser guide seems to be constantly out
>>>> of alignment, might I suggest a manual alignment procedure, where we have
>>>> an object of the correct thickness that we place in-between the laser and
>>>> the material?   We did that with the last laser I used, and it worked very
>>>> well.  After looking at the laser documentation, I'm still unsure on how
>>>> big the gap is supposed to be.
>>>>
>>>> I am free most any time, so I can meet with whoever possesses the
>>>> requisite knowledge at their convenience.
>>>>
>>>> cheers
>>>> Garratt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Al Jigong Billings <
>>>> albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/10/12 11:18 AM, Joe King wrote:
>>>>> > there are some directions for laser cleaning on the wiki. can one of
>>>>> you laser experts who has cleaned the laser before verify that they are
>>>>> complete enough for joe bag of donuts laser n00b to follow?
>>>>>
>>>>> That would be Robbie and David. I just saw part of it but not the part
>>>>> where everything was reassembled and aligned.
>>>>>
>>>>> Al
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Discuss mailing list
>>>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Discuss mailing list
>>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Louise Fox
>>> Mechanical Engineer
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Louise Fox
> Mechanical Engineer
>
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From joe at joelasqo.com  Tue Jan 10 16:36:29 2012
From: joe at joelasqo.com (Joe Lasqo)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 16:36:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AMTD] 20 Jan/11 Jan: Follow-up show to Tim Thompson's Space
	Palette @ dorkbosf-61 + 11 Jan show @ Meridian Gallery
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Hi -



This is a follow-up to the recent hosting of Tim Thompson and his?Space Palette?@ dorkbotsf 61 @ Langton Labs in SF. (If you don't know what a Space Palette is, see "more info" URL in item [2] below)

I'm a computer musician, pianist & percussionist, and I also curate a series at a new house concert venue in San Francisco,?Turquoise Yantra Grotto.?

We're having Tim Thompsonand the Space Palette at?TYG?on Fri 20 Jan (more info below under item [2]), along with some other instrument inventors. (In fact, the venue is the house of an instrument inventor and has a number of site-specific invented instruments?embedded in it.)?

I thought people from the dorkbot, Ace Monster Toys, and Langton Labs communities might want to know about this show and come out to see Tim Thompsonand the Space Palette in concert performance mode. We're going to use its API logic to control live musicians as well as the Space Palette itself in the last piece.

Below in item [2] is a brief write-up of the?Tim Thompson/Space Palette?show at our venue with pointers to more info. Please feel free to forward and redistribute to whomever you think may be interested.

I also throw in a pointer to a concert I'm giving tomorrow, 11 Jan, which will involve computer music (MSP) and "ethnomodernist" pieces which would be interesting to the kind of people who came to Langton Labs for Gamelan Sekar Jaya's show there with the angklung ensemble.

=================================

[1] Meridian Gallery, 535 Powell St., SF (7:30pm?tomorrow,?11 Jan 2012)

=================================

Info: Lasqo + Laptop @ Meridian Gallery (SF, 11 Jan 2012)

Although mainly acoustic, I'll be doing some unique new MSP computer-time-warping stuff as well...

? plus:?

-?Deconstruction/resynthesis of Miles Davis and cool jazz via linguistic theory & finite state machines

- Explorations of the invented meta-r?ga ?????????????????????????????????(R?ga?M?bius Helix Bodhicitta).

- Unchained Sicilian &?Neapolitan melodies from my project Canzoniere 8?-centesco del futuro?

=================================

[2] Our next extravaganza with Tim Thompson at Turquoise Yantra Grotto(7:30pm Fri 20 Jan 2012):

=================================

Info: Invented Instruments @ Turquoise Yantra Grotto(SF, 20 Jan): Tim Thompson?s Space Palette, Tom Nunn + Paul Winstanley(Opening Tea Music: Lasqo & Samas)

The best of analog and digital invented instrument worlds - Tom Nunn's new duo + the latest incarnation of Tim Thompson's Space Palette straight from Burning Man & dorkbotsf-61.

In one of the pieces we plan to have volunteers from the audience use the same logical interface as the Space Palette to control live musicians - that should be interesting...

Turquoise Yantra Grotto is a unique space near Glen Park in San Francisco offering, in addition to a normal piano, site-specific invented instruments like the?gamelan piano and zen industrial carillon?? a cozy laboratory to explore the world chamber music of the future in an unexpected dialog between global roots traditions and modernist music.

As usual, on hand will be a shamanic healer and a neo-tea practitioner (our hosts) to facilitate your listening experience.

Planning continues for Wayang Turquoise puppet opera accompanied by the gamelan piano in the new year.

A scene like?nowhere else...

Tix?by advance reservation only. To reserve, send me an email at?joe at joelasqo.com, and I?ll confirm and send location and details. (Please note in case of allergies: Birds are present in the venue).

=================================

Best wishes for 2012!

Joe Lasqo

joe at joelasqo.com

More info: http://www.joelasqo.com
Show calendar, releases, news: http://www.joelasqo.com/blog/
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From myles at tenhand.com  Wed Jan 11 12:53:47 2012
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:53:47 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Who wants a $17 hackable wifi router? (group buy)
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Last call on order #2.  Let me know if you'd like me to add your router(s) to the order. 

Myles

On Jan 8, 2012, at 9:56 PM, Joe King wrote:

> i'd be interested in a couple more (since i only got one and wrecked the test points while getting the serial console to work!)
> 
> -atom
> 
> 
> --- On Sun, 1/8/12, myles <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:
> 
>> From: myles <myles at tenhand.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AMTD] Who wants a $17 hackable wifi router? (group buy)
>> To: "Ace Monster Toys" <Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org>
>> Date: Sunday, January 8, 2012, 9:43 PM
>> 
>> Did anyone miss the first buy & want a second chance? 
>> Now that I've used them, I want to buy a few more before
>> they rev the parts again. 
>> Deal extreme is out of stock, we'll see if David's
>> connection still works. 
>> 



From interrupt80h at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 13:20:35 2012
From: interrupt80h at gmail.com (interrupt80h at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:20:35 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Who wants a $17 hackable wifi router? (group buy)
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Put me down for one, please

-wooster

On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:53 PM, myles <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:
> Last call on order #2. ?Let me know if you'd like me to add your router(s) to the order.
>
> Myles
>
> On Jan 8, 2012, at 9:56 PM, Joe King wrote:
>
>> i'd be interested in a couple more (since i only got one and wrecked the test points while getting the serial console to work!)
>>
>> -atom
>>
>>
>> --- On Sun, 1/8/12, myles <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From: myles <myles at tenhand.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AMTD] Who wants a $17 hackable wifi router? (group buy)
>>> To: "Ace Monster Toys" <Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org>
>>> Date: Sunday, January 8, 2012, 9:43 PM
>>>
>>> Did anyone miss the first buy & want a second chance?
>>> Now that I've used them, I want to buy a few more before
>>> they rev the parts again.
>>> Deal extreme is out of stock, we'll see if David's
>>> connection still works.
>>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss


From hephaestus at antipunk.net  Wed Jan 11 13:25:19 2012
From: hephaestus at antipunk.net (Hephaestus)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:25:19 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Who wants a $17 hackable wifi router? (group buy)
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I'll take one

On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:20 PM,  <interrupt80h at gmail.com> wrote:
> Put me down for one, please
>
> -wooster
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:53 PM, myles <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:
>> Last call on order #2. ?Let me know if you'd like me to add your router(s) to the order.
>>
>> Myles
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2012, at 9:56 PM, Joe King wrote:
>>
>>> i'd be interested in a couple more (since i only got one and wrecked the test points while getting the serial console to work!)
>>>
>>> -atom
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Sun, 1/8/12, myles <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: myles <myles at tenhand.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AMTD] Who wants a $17 hackable wifi router? (group buy)
>>>> To: "Ace Monster Toys" <Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org>
>>>> Date: Sunday, January 8, 2012, 9:43 PM
>>>>
>>>> Did anyone miss the first buy & want a second chance?
>>>> Now that I've used them, I want to buy a few more before
>>>> they rev the parts again.
>>>> Deal extreme is out of stock, we'll see if David's
>>>> connection still works.
>>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss


From louise.s.fox at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 14:31:40 2012
From: louise.s.fox at gmail.com (Louise Fox)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:31:40 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Who wants a $17 hackable wifi router? (group buy)
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I'll take one two


On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Hephaestus <hephaestus at antipunk.net> wrote:
> I'll take one
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:20 PM, ?<interrupt80h at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Put me down for one, please
>>
>> -wooster
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:53 PM, myles <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:
>>> Last call on order #2. ?Let me know if you'd like me to add your router(s) to the order.
>>>
>>> Myles
>>>
>>> On Jan 8, 2012, at 9:56 PM, Joe King wrote:
>>>
>>>> i'd be interested in a couple more (since i only got one and wrecked the test points while getting the serial console to work!)
>>>>
>>>> -atom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- On Sun, 1/8/12, myles <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> From: myles <myles at tenhand.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AMTD] Who wants a $17 hackable wifi router? (group buy)
>>>>> To: "Ace Monster Toys" <Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org>
>>>>> Date: Sunday, January 8, 2012, 9:43 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> Did anyone miss the first buy & want a second chance?
>>>>> Now that I've used them, I want to buy a few more before
>>>>> they rev the parts again.
>>>>> Deal extreme is out of stock, we'll see if David's
>>>>> connection still works.
>>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss



-- 
Louise Fox
Mechanical Engineer


From louise.s.fox at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 14:34:37 2012
From: louise.s.fox at gmail.com (Louise Fox)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:34:37 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Who wants a $17 hackable wifi router? (group buy)
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ahh.. i mean.. i'll take one too.  I was thinking about two when I
wrote this lol.

On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Louise Fox <louise.s.fox at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'll take one two
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Hephaestus <hephaestus at antipunk.net> wrote:
>> I'll take one
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:20 PM, ?<interrupt80h at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Put me down for one, please
>>>
>>> -wooster
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:53 PM, myles <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:
>>>> Last call on order #2. ?Let me know if you'd like me to add your router(s) to the order.
>>>>
>>>> Myles
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 8, 2012, at 9:56 PM, Joe King wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> i'd be interested in a couple more (since i only got one and wrecked the test points while getting the serial console to work!)
>>>>>
>>>>> -atom
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On Sun, 1/8/12, myles <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: myles <myles at tenhand.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AMTD] Who wants a $17 hackable wifi router? (group buy)
>>>>>> To: "Ace Monster Toys" <Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org>
>>>>>> Date: Sunday, January 8, 2012, 9:43 PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did anyone miss the first buy & want a second chance?
>>>>>> Now that I've used them, I want to buy a few more before
>>>>>> they rev the parts again.
>>>>>> Deal extreme is out of stock, we'll see if David's
>>>>>> connection still works.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Discuss mailing list
>>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
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>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
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>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
> --
> Louise Fox
> Mechanical Engineer



-- 
Louise Fox
Mechanical Engineer


From albill at openbuddha.com  Wed Jan 11 14:48:54 2012
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigong Billings)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:48:54 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Who wants a $17 hackable wifi router? (group buy)
In-Reply-To: <CAPxmc0GmZ48mD5sRKjQ0C_SfFFL7GzdxOmHErOioFxD-kqb9qg@mail.gmail.com>
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What are people doing with these? :-)

Al



From interrupt80h at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 14:55:54 2012
From: interrupt80h at gmail.com (interrupt80h at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:55:54 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Who wants a $17 hackable wifi router? (group buy)
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	<CAPxmc0FaCgaB3Hu_kD1jwDsFnO4NLXm1pidnVordWNfTPzcg0g@mail.gmail.com>
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https://github.com/revmischa/librapid

On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Al Jigong Billings
<albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> What are people doing with these? :-)
>
> Al
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss


From tewing at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 14:56:10 2012
From: tewing at gmail.com (Terry Ewing)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:56:10 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Who wants a $17 hackable wifi router? (group buy)
In-Reply-To: <4F0E11D6.5010203@openbuddha.com>
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I flashed one with openWRT and threw it in my backpack along with an iphone USB plug.  That way I always have a wifi router in my backpack.  Since I work from remote places and use an iphone, ipad and laptop at the same time I'm able to plug into ethernet in a hotel room or remote office and all my devices work.

Separately, I'm planning to connect one of these to an arduino and make a Sous Vide controller with a web interface showing a graph of the temperature.  I'm thinking I can vacuum pack a steak, put it in an insulated container along with a bunch of ice and then remotely start and monitor the cooking.  

I'd love to hear what other people have in mind.

On Jan 11, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Al Jigong Billings wrote:

> What are people doing with these? :-)
> 
> Al
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss



From idris.raja at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 15:00:24 2012
From: idris.raja at gmail.com (Idris Raja)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:00:24 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Who wants a $17 hackable wifi router? (group buy)
In-Reply-To: <FAE67D59-C4F4-4E97-AA9E-D3145DA4E3C3@gmail.com>
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Put me down for one please

On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:

> I flashed one with openWRT and threw it in my backpack along with an
> iphone USB plug.  That way I always have a wifi router in my backpack.
>  Since I work from remote places and use an iphone, ipad and laptop at the
> same time I'm able to plug into ethernet in a hotel room or remote office
> and all my devices work.
>
> Separately, I'm planning to connect one of these to an arduino and make a
> Sous Vide controller with a web interface showing a graph of the
> temperature.  I'm thinking I can vacuum pack a steak, put it in an
> insulated container along with a bunch of ice and then remotely start and
> monitor the cooking.
>
> I'd love to hear what other people have in mind.
>
> On Jan 11, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Al Jigong Billings wrote:
>
> > What are people doing with these? :-)
> >
> > Al
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Discuss mailing list
> > Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
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From tewing at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 15:03:34 2012
From: tewing at gmail.com (Terry Ewing)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:03:34 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Who wants a $17 hackable wifi router? (group buy)
In-Reply-To: <CAAHOP__NuQyUsmOaiCHSkRzbF1etHbe5jMBjXpEYizC_Mq5pZg@mail.gmail.com>
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Router or steak?

On Jan 11, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Idris Raja wrote:

> Put me down for one please
> 
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:
> I flashed one with openWRT and threw it in my backpack along with an iphone USB plug.  That way I always have a wifi router in my backpack.  Since I work from remote places and use an iphone, ipad and laptop at the same time I'm able to plug into ethernet in a hotel room or remote office and all my devices work.
> 
> Separately, I'm planning to connect one of these to an arduino and make a Sous Vide controller with a web interface showing a graph of the temperature.  I'm thinking I can vacuum pack a steak, put it in an insulated container along with a bunch of ice and then remotely start and monitor the cooking.
> 
> I'd love to hear what other people have in mind.
> 
> On Jan 11, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Al Jigong Billings wrote:
> 
> > What are people doing with these? :-)
> >
> > Al
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Discuss mailing list
> > Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
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> 
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From me at robbiet.us  Wed Jan 11 15:05:57 2012
From: me at robbiet.us (Robbie Trencheny)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:05:57 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Who wants a $17 hackable wifi router? (group buy)
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Put me down for 2 routers please.

Thanks for handling this Myles!
Robbie Trencheny (@robbie <http://twitter.com/robbie>)
Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
925-884-3728
robbie.io



On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:

> Router or steak?
>
> On Jan 11, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Idris Raja wrote:
>
> Put me down for one please
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I flashed one with openWRT and threw it in my backpack along with an
>> iphone USB plug.  That way I always have a wifi router in my backpack.
>>  Since I work from remote places and use an iphone, ipad and laptop at the
>> same time I'm able to plug into ethernet in a hotel room or remote office
>> and all my devices work.
>>
>> Separately, I'm planning to connect one of these to an arduino and make a
>> Sous Vide controller with a web interface showing a graph of the
>> temperature.  I'm thinking I can vacuum pack a steak, put it in an
>> insulated container along with a bunch of ice and then remotely start and
>> monitor the cooking.
>>
>> I'd love to hear what other people have in mind.
>>
>> On Jan 11, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Al Jigong Billings wrote:
>>
>> > What are people doing with these? :-)
>> >
>> > Al
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Discuss mailing list
>> > Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
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>
>
>
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From idris.raja at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 15:14:07 2012
From: idris.raja at gmail.com (Idris Raja)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:14:07 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Who wants a $17 hackable wifi router? (group buy)
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i was thinking router, but if you're offering a hackable steak I wouldn't
say no

On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Robbie Trencheny <me at robbiet.us> wrote:

> Put me down for 2 routers please.
>
> Thanks for handling this Myles!
> Robbie Trencheny (@robbie <http://twitter.com/robbie>)
> Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
> 925-884-3728
> robbie.io
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Router or steak?
>>
>> On Jan 11, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Idris Raja wrote:
>>
>> Put me down for one please
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I flashed one with openWRT and threw it in my backpack along with an
>>> iphone USB plug.  That way I always have a wifi router in my backpack.
>>>  Since I work from remote places and use an iphone, ipad and laptop at the
>>> same time I'm able to plug into ethernet in a hotel room or remote office
>>> and all my devices work.
>>>
>>> Separately, I'm planning to connect one of these to an arduino and make
>>> a Sous Vide controller with a web interface showing a graph of the
>>> temperature.  I'm thinking I can vacuum pack a steak, put it in an
>>> insulated container along with a bunch of ice and then remotely start and
>>> monitor the cooking.
>>>
>>> I'd love to hear what other people have in mind.
>>>
>>> On Jan 11, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Al Jigong Billings wrote:
>>>
>>> > What are people doing with these? :-)
>>> >
>>> > Al
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Discuss mailing list
>>> > Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>> > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
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>>
>>
>
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From me at robbiet.us  Wed Jan 11 15:13:55 2012
From: me at robbiet.us (Robbie Trencheny)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:13:55 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Who wants a $17 hackable wifi router? (group buy)
In-Reply-To: <FAE67D59-C4F4-4E97-AA9E-D3145DA4E3C3@gmail.com>
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Terry,

So this thing actually works with iPhones? Have you tried it? Only reason I
ask is that I thought you had to have a Mac or PC for some drivers that it
needs.

Thanks
Robbie Trencheny (@robbie <http://twitter.com/robbie>)
Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
925-884-3728
robbie.io



On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:

> I flashed one with openWRT and threw it in my backpack along with an
> iphone USB plug.  That way I always have a wifi router in my backpack.
>  Since I work from remote places and use an iphone, ipad and laptop at the
> same time I'm able to plug into ethernet in a hotel room or remote office
> and all my devices work.
>
> Separately, I'm planning to connect one of these to an arduino and make a
> Sous Vide controller with a web interface showing a graph of the
> temperature.  I'm thinking I can vacuum pack a steak, put it in an
> insulated container along with a bunch of ice and then remotely start and
> monitor the cooking.
>
> I'd love to hear what other people have in mind.
>
> On Jan 11, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Al Jigong Billings wrote:
>
> > What are people doing with these? :-)
> >
> > Al
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Discuss mailing list
> > Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
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From myles at tenhand.com  Wed Jan 11 15:19:59 2012
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:19:59 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Who wants a $17 hackable wifi router? (group buy)
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One is set up to route from a virgin prepaid evdo card. Another is mostly working with rs485, and will be a data logger for some solar gear. 
The last one is slated to be a front end to my bus pirate, so I can poke circuits from my phone

Sent from my mobile

On Jan 11, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Al Jigong Billings <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:

> What are people doing with these? :-)
> 
> Al
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From default at deadtrout.com  Wed Jan 11 15:32:07 2012
From: default at deadtrout.com (Terry Ewing)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:32:07 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Who wants a $17 hackable wifi router? (group buy)
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It's a router running OpenWRT.  There are no drivers needed to use the router as far as I know.  

On Jan 11, 2012, at 3:13 PM, Robbie Trencheny wrote:

> Terry,
> 
> So this thing actually works with iPhones? Have you tried it? Only reason I ask is that I thought you had to have a Mac or PC for some drivers that it needs.
> 
> Thanks
> Robbie Trencheny (@robbie)
> Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
> 925-884-3728
> robbie.io
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:
> I flashed one with openWRT and threw it in my backpack along with an iphone USB plug.  That way I always have a wifi router in my backpack.  Since I work from remote places and use an iphone, ipad and laptop at the same time I'm able to plug into ethernet in a hotel room or remote office and all my devices work.
> 
> Separately, I'm planning to connect one of these to an arduino and make a Sous Vide controller with a web interface showing a graph of the temperature.  I'm thinking I can vacuum pack a steak, put it in an insulated container along with a bunch of ice and then remotely start and monitor the cooking.
> 
> I'd love to hear what other people have in mind.
> 
> On Jan 11, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Al Jigong Billings wrote:
> 
> > What are people doing with these? :-)
> >
> > Al
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Discuss mailing list
> > Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> 
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From me at robbiet.us  Wed Jan 11 15:33:39 2012
From: me at robbiet.us (Robbie Trencheny)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:33:39 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Who wants a $17 hackable wifi router? (group buy)
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But you just plug in the iPhone and turn on Personal Tethering and thats it
right?

Also I wish you would be on IRC more :D
Robbie Trencheny (@robbie <http://twitter.com/robbie>)
Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
925-884-3728
robbie.io



On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Terry Ewing <default at deadtrout.com> wrote:

> It's a router running OpenWRT.  There are no drivers needed to use the
> router as far as I know.
>
> On Jan 11, 2012, at 3:13 PM, Robbie Trencheny wrote:
>
> Terry,
>
> So this thing actually works with iPhones? Have you tried it? Only reason
> I ask is that I thought you had to have a Mac or PC for some drivers that
> it needs.
>
> Thanks
> Robbie Trencheny (@robbie <http://twitter.com/robbie>)
> Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
> 925-884-3728
> robbie.io
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I flashed one with openWRT and threw it in my backpack along with an
>> iphone USB plug.  That way I always have a wifi router in my backpack.
>>  Since I work from remote places and use an iphone, ipad and laptop at the
>> same time I'm able to plug into ethernet in a hotel room or remote office
>> and all my devices work.
>>
>> Separately, I'm planning to connect one of these to an arduino and make a
>> Sous Vide controller with a web interface showing a graph of the
>> temperature.  I'm thinking I can vacuum pack a steak, put it in an
>> insulated container along with a bunch of ice and then remotely start and
>> monitor the cooking.
>>
>> I'd love to hear what other people have in mind.
>>
>> On Jan 11, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Al Jigong Billings wrote:
>>
>> > What are people doing with these? :-)
>> >
>> > Al
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Discuss mailing list
>> > Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
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From tewing at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 15:35:49 2012
From: tewing at gmail.com (Terry Ewing)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:35:49 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Who wants a $17 hackable wifi router? (group buy)
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Why a virgin EVDO card?  It seems like connecting the router to a cheap phone via USB and enabling tethering would work well but I've no experience doing such things.

On Jan 11, 2012, at 3:19 PM, myles wrote:

> One is set up to route from a virgin prepaid evdo card. Another is mostly working with rs485, and will be a data logger for some solar gear. 
> The last one is slated to be a front end to my bus pirate, so I can poke circuits from my phone
> 
> Sent from my mobile
> 
> On Jan 11, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Al Jigong Billings <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> 
>> What are people doing with these? :-)
>> 
>> Al
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
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From tewing at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 15:37:04 2012
From: tewing at gmail.com (Terry Ewing)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:37:04 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Who wants a $17 hackable wifi router? (group buy)
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I'm talking about using my iphone/ipad/laptop to connect via wifi to the router which is attached to the LAN.  

On Jan 11, 2012, at 3:33 PM, Robbie Trencheny wrote:

> But you just plug in the iPhone and turn on Personal Tethering and thats it right?
> 
> Also I wish you would be on IRC more :D
> Robbie Trencheny (@robbie)
> Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
> 925-884-3728
> robbie.io
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Terry Ewing <default at deadtrout.com> wrote:
> It's a router running OpenWRT.  There are no drivers needed to use the router as far as I know.  
> 
> On Jan 11, 2012, at 3:13 PM, Robbie Trencheny wrote:
> 
>> Terry,
>> 
>> So this thing actually works with iPhones? Have you tried it? Only reason I ask is that I thought you had to have a Mac or PC for some drivers that it needs.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Robbie Trencheny (@robbie)
>> Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
>> 925-884-3728
>> robbie.io
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I flashed one with openWRT and threw it in my backpack along with an iphone USB plug.  That way I always have a wifi router in my backpack.  Since I work from remote places and use an iphone, ipad and laptop at the same time I'm able to plug into ethernet in a hotel room or remote office and all my devices work.
>> 
>> Separately, I'm planning to connect one of these to an arduino and make a Sous Vide controller with a web interface showing a graph of the temperature.  I'm thinking I can vacuum pack a steak, put it in an insulated container along with a bunch of ice and then remotely start and monitor the cooking.
>> 
>> I'd love to hear what other people have in mind.
>> 
>> On Jan 11, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Al Jigong Billings wrote:
>> 
>> > What are people doing with these? :-)
>> >
>> > Al
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Discuss mailing list
>> > Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From me at robbiet.us  Wed Jan 11 15:52:41 2012
From: me at robbiet.us (Robbie Trencheny)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:52:41 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Who wants a $17 hackable wifi router? (group buy)
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OH ok thanks for that clarification. Well, at least now I have a project to
work on (making the iPhone tetherable to the router)
Robbie Trencheny (@robbie <http://twitter.com/robbie>)
Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
925-884-3728
robbie.io



On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm talking about using my iphone/ipad/laptop to connect via wifi to the
> router which is attached to the LAN.
>
> On Jan 11, 2012, at 3:33 PM, Robbie Trencheny wrote:
>
> But you just plug in the iPhone and turn on Personal Tethering and thats
> it right?
>
> Also I wish you would be on IRC more :D
> Robbie Trencheny (@robbie <http://twitter.com/robbie>)
> Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
> 925-884-3728
> robbie.io
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Terry Ewing <default at deadtrout.com>wrote:
>
>> It's a router running OpenWRT.  There are no drivers needed to use the
>> router as far as I know.
>>
>> On Jan 11, 2012, at 3:13 PM, Robbie Trencheny wrote:
>>
>> Terry,
>>
>> So this thing actually works with iPhones? Have you tried it? Only reason
>> I ask is that I thought you had to have a Mac or PC for some drivers that
>> it needs.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Robbie Trencheny (@robbie <http://twitter.com/robbie>)
>> Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
>> 925-884-3728
>> robbie.io
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I flashed one with openWRT and threw it in my backpack along with an
>>> iphone USB plug.  That way I always have a wifi router in my backpack.
>>>  Since I work from remote places and use an iphone, ipad and laptop at the
>>> same time I'm able to plug into ethernet in a hotel room or remote office
>>> and all my devices work.
>>>
>>> Separately, I'm planning to connect one of these to an arduino and make
>>> a Sous Vide controller with a web interface showing a graph of the
>>> temperature.  I'm thinking I can vacuum pack a steak, put it in an
>>> insulated container along with a bunch of ice and then remotely start and
>>> monitor the cooking.
>>>
>>> I'd love to hear what other people have in mind.
>>>
>>> On Jan 11, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Al Jigong Billings wrote:
>>>
>>> > What are people doing with these? :-)
>>> >
>>> > Al
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Discuss mailing list
>>> > Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>> > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
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>
>
>
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From hephaestus at antipunk.net  Wed Jan 11 16:12:14 2012
From: hephaestus at antipunk.net (Hephaestus)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:12:14 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Who wants a $17 hackable wifi router? (group buy)
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Okay, put me down for two instead of one... you punks are giving me ideas =P

--
Heph

On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Robbie Trencheny <me at robbiet.us> wrote:
> OH ok thanks for that clarification. Well, at least now I have a project to
> work on (making the iPhone tetherable to the router)
>
> Robbie Trencheny (@robbie)
> Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
> 925-884-3728
> robbie.io
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm talking about using my iphone/ipad/laptop to connect via wifi to the
>> router which is attached to the LAN.
>>
>> On Jan 11, 2012, at 3:33 PM, Robbie Trencheny wrote:
>>
>> But you just plug in the iPhone and turn on Personal Tethering and thats
>> it right?
>>
>> Also I wish you would be on IRC more :D
>> Robbie Trencheny (@robbie)
>> Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
>> 925-884-3728
>> robbie.io
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Terry Ewing <default at deadtrout.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> It's a router running OpenWRT. ?There are no drivers needed to use the
>>> router as far as I know.
>>>
>>> On Jan 11, 2012, at 3:13 PM, Robbie Trencheny wrote:
>>>
>>> Terry,
>>>
>>> So this thing actually works with iPhones? Have you tried it? Only reason
>>> I ask is that I thought you had to have a Mac or PC for some drivers that it
>>> needs.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Robbie Trencheny (@robbie)
>>> Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
>>> 925-884-3728
>>> robbie.io
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I flashed one with openWRT and threw it in my backpack along with an
>>>> iphone USB plug. ?That way I always have a wifi router in my backpack.
>>>> ?Since I work from remote places and use an iphone, ipad and laptop at the
>>>> same time I'm able to plug into ethernet in a hotel room or remote office
>>>> and all my devices work.
>>>>
>>>> Separately, I'm planning to connect one of these to an arduino and make
>>>> a Sous Vide controller with a web interface showing a graph of the
>>>> temperature. ?I'm thinking I can vacuum pack a steak, put it in an insulated
>>>> container along with a bunch of ice and then remotely start and monitor the
>>>> cooking.
>>>>
>>>> I'd love to hear what other people have in mind.
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 11, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Al Jigong Billings wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > What are people doing with these? :-)
>>>> >
>>>> > Al
>>>> >
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From myles at tenhand.com  Wed Jan 11 16:20:51 2012
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:20:51 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] USB devices to plug into routers.
In-Reply-To: <D97B6E9B-3342-4AAC-B4D2-D7F050EE2A8A@gmail.com>
References: <1326088608.87905.YahooMailClassic@web82907.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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	<CABZdcAnd-Dm=h0eK8GyCm-BObhv5LRg5Vt=Fou3-NtFL5jHY+w@mail.gmail.com>
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On Jan 11, 2012, at 3:35 PM, Terry Ewing wrote:

> Why a virgin EVDO card?  It seems like connecting the router to a cheap phone via USB and enabling tethering would work well but I've no experience doing such things.

Because I had one <grin>. I have it because I was curious about sprint's network, and virgin is really cheap to turn on & off. All of the prepaid plans for AT&T stunk when I bought it. Since I only use it about 3 times a year, I'm not going to change. 

Every time I've tried using a phone as a cellular router, it's been slower than using a dedicated card. Weird phones like the N900 were close, but the same SIM in a USB stick was faster. I've never known why. 

On the other hand, every single phone works better than the card for SMS messaging. That might be an interesting app for these routers. 

At the moment I'm looking for tiny USB stick wireless N cards. That would make this router perfect for sharing one paid wifi connection over a second wireless link to all my wireless enabled devices. Does anyone have a recommendation for an atheros/ broadcom/ linux friendly wireless card that's small? I'm willing to trade for a 1 watt USB monster. 




From balrogg at googlemail.com  Wed Jan 11 16:54:31 2012
From: balrogg at googlemail.com (Andrew Zaborowski)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 01:54:31 +0100
Subject: [AMTD] Who wants a $17 hackable wifi router? (group buy)
In-Reply-To: <FAE67D59-C4F4-4E97-AA9E-D3145DA4E3C3@gmail.com>
References: <1326088608.87905.YahooMailClassic@web82907.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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On 11 January 2012 23:56, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:
> Separately, I'm planning to connect one of these to an arduino and make a Sous Vide controller with a web interface showing a graph of the temperature. ?I'm thinking I can vacuum pack a steak, put it in an insulated container along with a bunch of ice and then remotely start and monitor the cooking.

I understand about arduino having nicely broken out GPIO pins and a
nice SDK, but it feels wrong to treat the router as a peripheral for
the arduino :)  This thing has at least 20 times the computing power
of an arduino, probably 10 times the number of GPIO pins on the cpu,
PWMs, UARTs etc.  I wonder how difficult it would be to solder some
connectors to it so that it's own GPIOs are easy to access and so that
it could take over usual arduino functions.

Cheers


From hephaestus at antipunk.net  Wed Jan 11 17:10:16 2012
From: hephaestus at antipunk.net (Hephaestus)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:10:16 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Who wants a $17 hackable wifi router? (group buy)
In-Reply-To: <CAOq732KU+6wkdoYiOqRDjJmRDdO=_UvzWd3OCKe=OmRhcz002A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1326088608.87905.YahooMailClassic@web82907.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<7F2FE2DF-C77F-4AF2-A422-FA0791B75324@tenhand.com>
	<CAM-dY3Fuvx_c7AuNbXR84Lka8ivB2-ZC_T+P+xUzRHbt3ShMBQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABZdcAnd-Dm=h0eK8GyCm-BObhv5LRg5Vt=Fou3-NtFL5jHY+w@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAPxmc0GmZ48mD5sRKjQ0C_SfFFL7GzdxOmHErOioFxD-kqb9qg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F0E11D6.5010203@openbuddha.com>
	<FAE67D59-C4F4-4E97-AA9E-D3145DA4E3C3@gmail.com>
	<CAOq732KU+6wkdoYiOqRDjJmRDdO=_UvzWd3OCKe=OmRhcz002A@mail.gmail.com>
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That's what I'm hoping for, tbh, but I need to tear one apart to
figure that part out =]

--
Heph

On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Andrew Zaborowski
<balrogg at googlemail.com> wrote:
> On 11 January 2012 23:56, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Separately, I'm planning to connect one of these to an arduino and make a Sous Vide controller with a web interface showing a graph of the temperature. ?I'm thinking I can vacuum pack a steak, put it in an insulated container along with a bunch of ice and then remotely start and monitor the cooking.
>
> I understand about arduino having nicely broken out GPIO pins and a
> nice SDK, but it feels wrong to treat the router as a peripheral for
> the arduino :) ?This thing has at least 20 times the computing power
> of an arduino, probably 10 times the number of GPIO pins on the cpu,
> PWMs, UARTs etc. ?I wonder how difficult it would be to solder some
> connectors to it so that it's own GPIOs are easy to access and so that
> it could take over usual arduino functions.
>
> Cheers
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss


From default at deadtrout.com  Wed Jan 11 17:12:04 2012
From: default at deadtrout.com (Terry Ewing)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:12:04 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Who wants a $17 hackable wifi router? (group buy)
In-Reply-To: <CAOq732KU+6wkdoYiOqRDjJmRDdO=_UvzWd3OCKe=OmRhcz002A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1326088608.87905.YahooMailClassic@web82907.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<7F2FE2DF-C77F-4AF2-A422-FA0791B75324@tenhand.com>
	<CAM-dY3Fuvx_c7AuNbXR84Lka8ivB2-ZC_T+P+xUzRHbt3ShMBQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABZdcAnd-Dm=h0eK8GyCm-BObhv5LRg5Vt=Fou3-NtFL5jHY+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPxmc0FaCgaB3Hu_kD1jwDsFnO4NLXm1pidnVordWNfTPzcg0g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPxmc0GmZ48mD5sRKjQ0C_SfFFL7GzdxOmHErOioFxD-kqb9qg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F0E11D6.5010203@openbuddha.com>
	<FAE67D59-C4F4-4E97-AA9E-D3145DA4E3C3@gmail.com>
	<CAOq732KU+6wkdoYiOqRDjJmRDdO=_UvzWd3OCKe=OmRhcz002A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00D06D17-FAF9-4119-8AEF-FFBE8BFCC977@deadtrout.com>

I agree.  It doesn't feel right to bolt the router and the arduino together.  There's a lot of duplication.

An arduino ethernet shield or a wifi shield are too expensive.  This router is cheaper than either, doesn't use much power and has a really small footprint.  Any if you wanted to interface some sensors you'd probably still need an i2c circuit or some sort of bridge between the GPIO and the sensors so it seems easier to mate an arduino to the router and use it as a universal platform for any sensor/actuator + wifi project.

OpenWRT is stable and allows use of cron, perl, bash, etc.  


On Jan 11, 2012, at 4:54 PM, Andrew Zaborowski wrote:

> On 11 January 2012 23:56, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Separately, I'm planning to connect one of these to an arduino and make a Sous Vide controller with a web interface showing a graph of the temperature.  I'm thinking I can vacuum pack a steak, put it in an insulated container along with a bunch of ice and then remotely start and monitor the cooking.
> 
> I understand about arduino having nicely broken out GPIO pins and a
> nice SDK, but it feels wrong to treat the router as a peripheral for
> the arduino :)  This thing has at least 20 times the computing power
> of an arduino, probably 10 times the number of GPIO pins on the cpu,
> PWMs, UARTs etc.  I wonder how difficult it would be to solder some
> connectors to it so that it's own GPIOs are easy to access and so that
> it could take over usual arduino functions.
> 
> Cheers
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss



From tewing at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 17:16:21 2012
From: tewing at gmail.com (Terry Ewing)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:16:21 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] USB devices to plug into routers.
In-Reply-To: <A1125A53-26E7-4A92-AC36-205AA2CCE130@tenhand.com>
References: <1326088608.87905.YahooMailClassic@web82907.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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	<CAM-dY3Fuvx_c7AuNbXR84Lka8ivB2-ZC_T+P+xUzRHbt3ShMBQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABZdcAnd-Dm=h0eK8GyCm-BObhv5LRg5Vt=Fou3-NtFL5jHY+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPxmc0FaCgaB3Hu_kD1jwDsFnO4NLXm1pidnVordWNfTPzcg0g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPxmc0GmZ48mD5sRKjQ0C_SfFFL7GzdxOmHErOioFxD-kqb9qg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F0E11D6.5010203@openbuddha.com>
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Message-ID: <6064D7BF-29FB-4169-B6F2-3B60582513D6@gmail.com>

http://www.meritline.com/usb-2-0-wireless-adapter-150-mbps---p-63087.aspx
small and $11.

On Jan 11, 2012, at 4:20 PM, myles wrote:

> 
> On Jan 11, 2012, at 3:35 PM, Terry Ewing wrote:
> 
>> Why a virgin EVDO card?  It seems like connecting the router to a cheap phone via USB and enabling tethering would work well but I've no experience doing such things.
> 
> Because I had one <grin>. I have it because I was curious about sprint's network, and virgin is really cheap to turn on & off. All of the prepaid plans for AT&T stunk when I bought it. Since I only use it about 3 times a year, I'm not going to change. 
> 
> Every time I've tried using a phone as a cellular router, it's been slower than using a dedicated card. Weird phones like the N900 were close, but the same SIM in a USB stick was faster. I've never known why. 
> 
> On the other hand, every single phone works better than the card for SMS messaging. That might be an interesting app for these routers. 
> 
> At the moment I'm looking for tiny USB stick wireless N cards. That would make this router perfect for sharing one paid wifi connection over a second wireless link to all my wireless enabled devices. Does anyone have a recommendation for an atheros/ broadcom/ linux friendly wireless card that's small? I'm willing to trade for a 1 watt USB monster. 
> 
> 
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> Discuss mailing list
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From atom_bomb at rocketmail.com  Wed Jan 11 17:27:49 2012
From: atom_bomb at rocketmail.com (Joe King)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:27:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AMTD] Who wants a $17 hackable wifi router? (group buy)
In-Reply-To: <CAOq732KU+6wkdoYiOqRDjJmRDdO=_UvzWd3OCKe=OmRhcz002A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1326331669.31255.YahooMailClassic@web82904.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

just take a look at the photos of the board on the amt wiki:
http://wiki.acemonstertoys.org/Tp-link_router

it's a giant pain in the ass to solder anything to that board, not to mention that we don't have gerbers or schematics for the board or a datasheet for the cpu so finding any of the gpios other than the serial port and the led is going to be difficult.

it's well worth the extra $5-$10 in parts to plug an avr or whatever into the USB port just to have some documented pins to use... just think of the avr as being peripheral to the router.

-atom

--- On Wed, 1/11/12, Andrew Zaborowski <balrogg at googlemail.com> wrote:

> From: Andrew Zaborowski <balrogg at googlemail.com>
> Subject: Re: [AMTD] Who wants a $17 hackable wifi router? (group buy)
> To: discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2012, 4:54 PM
> On 11 January 2012 23:56, Terry Ewing
> <tewing at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Separately, I'm planning to connect one of these to an
> arduino and make a Sous Vide controller with a web interface
> showing a graph of the temperature. ?I'm thinking I can
> vacuum pack a steak, put it in an insulated container along
> with a bunch of ice and then remotely start and monitor the
> cooking.
> 
> I understand about arduino having nicely broken out GPIO
> pins and a
> nice SDK, but it feels wrong to treat the router as a
> peripheral for
> the arduino :)? This thing has at least 20 times the
> computing power
> of an arduino, probably 10 times the number of GPIO pins on
> the cpu,
> PWMs, UARTs etc.? I wonder how difficult it would be
> to solder some
> connectors to it so that it's own GPIOs are easy to access
> and so that
> it could take over usual arduino functions.
> 
> Cheers
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> 


From interrupt80h at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 17:38:30 2012
From: interrupt80h at gmail.com (interrupt80h at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:38:30 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Who wants a $17 hackable wifi router? (group buy)
In-Reply-To: <00D06D17-FAF9-4119-8AEF-FFBE8BFCC977@deadtrout.com>
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The hardware part I know nothing about, but on the linux software side
there are plenty of mechanisms for doing GPIO and whatnot.

As an example, I wrote a C program that blinks the LED using the GPIO
LED device brightness file exposed by the kernel:
https://gist.github.com/1576363/

This is why linux rules

On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Terry Ewing <default at deadtrout.com> wrote:
> I agree. ?It doesn't feel right to bolt the router and the arduino together. ?There's a lot of duplication.
>
> An arduino ethernet shield or a wifi shield are too expensive. ?This router is cheaper than either, doesn't use much power and has a really small footprint. ?Any if you wanted to interface some sensors you'd probably still need an i2c circuit or some sort of bridge between the GPIO and the sensors so it seems easier to mate an arduino to the router and use it as a universal platform for any sensor/actuator + wifi project.
>
> OpenWRT is stable and allows use of cron, perl, bash, etc.
>
>
> On Jan 11, 2012, at 4:54 PM, Andrew Zaborowski wrote:
>
>> On 11 January 2012 23:56, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Separately, I'm planning to connect one of these to an arduino and make a Sous Vide controller with a web interface showing a graph of the temperature. ?I'm thinking I can vacuum pack a steak, put it in an insulated container along with a bunch of ice and then remotely start and monitor the cooking.
>>
>> I understand about arduino having nicely broken out GPIO pins and a
>> nice SDK, but it feels wrong to treat the router as a peripheral for
>> the arduino :) ?This thing has at least 20 times the computing power
>> of an arduino, probably 10 times the number of GPIO pins on the cpu,
>> PWMs, UARTs etc. ?I wonder how difficult it would be to solder some
>> connectors to it so that it's own GPIOs are easy to access and so that
>> it could take over usual arduino functions.
>>
>> Cheers
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss


From myles at tenhand.com  Wed Jan 11 17:43:27 2012
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:43:27 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] USB devices to plug into routers.
In-Reply-To: <6064D7BF-29FB-4169-B6F2-3B60582513D6@gmail.com>
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Have you  bought them? What chipset do they use? 
On Jan 11, 2012, at 5:16 PM, Terry Ewing wrote:

> http://www.meritline.com/usb-2-0-wireless-adapter-150-mbps---p-63087.aspx
> small and $11.
> 
> On Jan 11, 2012, at 4:20 PM, myles wrote:
>> 
>>  Does anyone have a recommendation for an atheros/ broadcom/ linux friendly wireless card that's small?
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From myles at tenhand.com  Wed Jan 11 17:47:36 2012
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:47:36 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Who wants a $17 hackable wifi router? (group buy)
In-Reply-To: <CAM-dY3Eq7eOYAZAMc9L57Yfx6nTksGR8MKr-Ldq_rzRaT2zBYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1326088608.87905.YahooMailClassic@web82907.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Soldering something in place of the LED shouldn't be hard, so there's 1 GPIO....

While I'd love to find 3 more & set up an SD card, soldering onto anything else might well be worth $15 to avoid. 

On Jan 11, 2012, at 5:38 PM, interrupt80h at gmail.com wrote:
> As an example, I wrote a C program that blinks the LED using the GPIO
> LED device brightness file exposed by the kernel:
> https://gist.github.com/1576363/
> 
> This is why linux rules
> 
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Terry Ewing <default at deadtrout.com> wrote:
>> I agree.  It doesn't feel right to bolt the router and the arduino together.  There's a lot of duplication.



From interrupt80h at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 17:56:28 2012
From: interrupt80h at gmail.com (interrupt80h at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:56:28 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Who wants a $17 hackable wifi router? (group buy)
In-Reply-To: <CA1E5AD0-9867-41F1-AE89-7589EF5D2336@tenhand.com>
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Message-ID: <CAM-dY3F+c-wzjBapRGNeshOgknU10x2kHsYKiZQnPz2jW66=_A@mail.gmail.com>

I'd probably just get a cheap USB thumb drive and plug it in. Or get a
USB<->SDcard dongle like on the laser machine if you really want
sdcards.

On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 5:47 PM, myles <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:
> Soldering something in place of the LED shouldn't be hard, so there's 1 GPIO....
>
> While I'd love to find 3 more & set up an SD card, soldering onto anything else might well be worth $15 to avoid.
>
> On Jan 11, 2012, at 5:38 PM, interrupt80h at gmail.com wrote:
>> As an example, I wrote a C program that blinks the LED using the GPIO
>> LED device brightness file exposed by the kernel:
>> https://gist.github.com/1576363/
>>
>> This is why linux rules
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Terry Ewing <default at deadtrout.com> wrote:
>>> I agree. ?It doesn't feel right to bolt the router and the arduino together. ?There's a lot of duplication.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss


From myles at tenhand.com  Wed Jan 11 21:12:33 2012
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 21:12:33 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] new router order
Message-ID: <83453285-E633-4E0B-94C6-DF82239ED036@tenhand.com>

Here's what I've got. If I missed you, chime in soon.  For those on the list, send your $22 to David. You all can pay my dues for a while. 

Heph: 2
Joe: 2
Robbie: 2
Idris: 1
Louise: 1
Wooster: 1

Total: 9



From me at robbiet.us  Wed Jan 11 21:13:42 2012
From: me at robbiet.us (Robbie Trencheny)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 21:13:42 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] new router order
In-Reply-To: <83453285-E633-4E0B-94C6-DF82239ED036@tenhand.com>
References: <83453285-E633-4E0B-94C6-DF82239ED036@tenhand.com>
Message-ID: <CAPs-5xXya1FwZhhbf65qU3qtc3vNTp_f8k-OPK8ir7ko4BVNdg@mail.gmail.com>

That may not be the best idea right now since David is out of country
possibly without email access...


Robbie Trencheny (@robbie <http://twitter.com/robbie>)
Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
925-884-3728
robbie.io



On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 9:12 PM, myles <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:

> Here's what I've got. If I missed you, chime in soon.  For those on the
> list, send your $22 to David. You all can pay my dues for a while.
>
> Heph: 2
> Joe: 2
> Robbie: 2
> Idris: 1
> Louise: 1
> Wooster: 1
>
> Total: 9
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
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From myles at tenhand.com  Wed Jan 11 21:25:21 2012
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 21:25:21 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] new router order
In-Reply-To: <CAPs-5xXya1FwZhhbf65qU3qtc3vNTp_f8k-OPK8ir7ko4BVNdg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <83453285-E633-4E0B-94C6-DF82239ED036@tenhand.com>
	<CAPs-5xXya1FwZhhbf65qU3qtc3vNTp_f8k-OPK8ir7ko4BVNdg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C95D264C-92D6-430A-8DDC-7671878875E6@tenhand.com>


If you want to make it easy on me, paypal myles at tenhand.com, or give me cash tomorrow. If that makes things complicated, pay David before the routers get here. That should be well after he's back. 

Going by the prices on Ebay, and the impossibility of any of you being deadbeats, I'm not too worried. 


On Jan 11, 2012, at 9:13 PM, Robbie Trencheny wrote:

> That may not be the best idea right now since David is out of country possibly without email access...
> 
> 
> Robbie Trencheny (@robbie)
> Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
> 925-884-3728
> robbie.io
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 9:12 PM, myles <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:
> Here's what I've got. If I missed you, chime in soon.  For those on the list, send your $22 to David. You all can pay my dues for a while.
> 
> Heph: 2
> Joe: 2
> Robbie: 2
> Idris: 1
> Louise: 1
> Wooster: 1
> 
> Total: 9
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> 
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From drorex at gmail.com  Thu Jan 12 08:42:04 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 08:42:04 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] new router order
In-Reply-To: <C95D264C-92D6-430A-8DDC-7671878875E6@tenhand.com>
References: <83453285-E633-4E0B-94C6-DF82239ED036@tenhand.com>
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i wont be back for a couple days still. myles or someone should just order
the routers yourself, the link is on the mailing list, one of the original
posts i made. volumerates.com or something.
On Jan 11, 2012 9:25 PM, "myles" <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:

>
> If you want to make it easy on me, paypal myles at tenhand.com, or give me
> cash tomorrow. If that makes things complicated, pay David before the
> routers get here. That should be well after he's back.
>
> Going by the prices on Ebay, and the impossibility of any of you being
> deadbeats, I'm not too worried.
>
>
> On Jan 11, 2012, at 9:13 PM, Robbie Trencheny wrote:
>
> That may not be the best idea right now since David is out of country
> possibly without email access...
>
>
> Robbie Trencheny (@robbie <http://twitter.com/robbie>)
> Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
> 925-884-3728
> robbie.io
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 9:12 PM, myles <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:
>
>> Here's what I've got. If I missed you, chime in soon.  For those on the
>> list, send your $22 to David. You all can pay my dues for a while.
>>
>> Heph: 2
>> Joe: 2
>> Robbie: 2
>> Idris: 1
>> Louise: 1
>> Wooster: 1
>>
>> Total: 9
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
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>
>
>
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From drorex at gmail.com  Thu Jan 12 08:42:04 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 08:42:04 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Heads up!!!
In-Reply-To: <CAMmuSosOhYhW12r03OhQOTqnCqgMdBh73BiBJ0pOWQmhAwPgnQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMmuSosOhYhW12r03OhQOTqnCqgMdBh73BiBJ0pOWQmhAwPgnQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I got $50 last time...just my luck to be on vacation with $0.75/min for
internet this year. Anybody win anything?
On Jan 10, 2012 8:40 AM, "slick" <slick at rebelbase.com> wrote:

> Tomorrow is Sparkfun's free day.
>
> Last year it was so slow I couldn't get anything. I'm keeping my
> fingers crossed for tomorrow.
>
> 9am MST 11 JAN 2011
>
> http://www.sparkfun.com/news/780
>
> get your captcha glasses on.
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From drorex at gmail.com  Thu Jan 12 08:42:05 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 08:42:05 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] AMT goes to exploratorium
Message-ID: <CACAQXe+Ur15myPjOJ_t8uaO0ygSGf=dpOWtZ8mSYqJ9z3a7GgA@mail.gmail.com>

See attached email, but exploratorium has offered us a booth for 4 hours on
a saturday. Can some people please volunteer to come? I can probably go,
but having 1 or 2 other people would be ideal so im not all alone. On the
plus side you get into the exploratorium for free which has cool stuffs in
it. Whoever is at the meeting tonight, pease bring it up and force some
people to volunteer, thanks!
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Karen Wilkinson" <kwilkinson at exploratorium.edu>
Date: Jan 9, 2012 8:34 PM
Subject: [AMT Board] OpenMake at the Exploratorium
To: <info at acemonstertoys.org>

My name is Karen Wilkinson and I work at the Exploratorium.  I'm organizing
an event here at the museum called Open MAKE on Saturday, January 21st from
10-2pm.

I'm wondering if any of your members have MakerBot projects or project
hacks that relate to "Toys" that they'd like to show off during the event.
 We'd set up an area for to highlight 'Ace Monster Toys,' just let us know
what types of things you'd like to bring.

Open MAKE events are intended to get young people interested in Making and
to introduce Exploratorium visitors to expert Makers in the Bay Area. The
day is an informal and fun way to connect with the MAKE community and
museum go-ers.  The thing that will connect all of the activities happening
that day (very loosely) is the use of "toys" as inspiration.

Let me know if you'd be interested in something like this.  I can follow-up
with more details and phone call if you'd prefer.


Best,
-Karen





Karen Wilkinson | *Tinkering Studio **Director
*3601 Lyon St., San Francisco, CA 94123-1099*
*
ph  415.674.2878
fax 415.561.0370
Tinkering Studio <http://tinkering.exploratorium.edu/> @ the
Exploratorium<http://www.exploratorium.edu/>



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From myles at tenhand.com  Thu Jan 12 09:25:01 2012
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 09:25:01 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] new router order
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXeJ2cYTLWGmBQxub=GQ+RLpncs09z+m1y+m5B1cwg25yyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <83453285-E633-4E0B-94C6-DF82239ED036@tenhand.com>
	<CAPs-5xXya1FwZhhbf65qU3qtc3vNTp_f8k-OPK8ir7ko4BVNdg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C95D264C-92D6-430A-8DDC-7671878875E6@tenhand.com>
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Message-ID: <8DB79381-908C-46E8-AE05-DA233AC9963F@tenhand.com>

Yes, I will order them myself today. 

On Jan 12, 2012, at 8:42 AM, David Rorex wrote:

> i wont be back for a couple days still. myles or someone should just order the routers yourself, the link is on the mailing list, one of the original posts i made. volumerates.com or something.
> 
> On Jan 11, 2012 9:25 PM, "myles" <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:
> 
> If you want to make it easy on me, paypal myles at tenhand.com, or give me cash tomorrow. If that makes things complicated, pay David before the routers get here. That should be well after he's back. 
> 
> Going by the prices on Ebay, and the impossibility of any of you being deadbeats, I'm not too worried. 
> 
> 
> On Jan 11, 2012, at 9:13 PM, Robbie Trencheny wrote:
> 
>> That may not be the best idea right now since David is out of country possibly without email access...
>> 
>> 
>> Robbie Trencheny (@robbie)
>> Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
>> 925-884-3728
>> robbie.io
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 9:12 PM, myles <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:
>> Here's what I've got. If I missed you, chime in soon.  For those on the list, send your $22 to David. You all can pay my dues for a while.
>> 
>> Heph: 2
>> Joe: 2
>> Robbie: 2
>> Idris: 1
>> Louise: 1
>> Wooster: 1
>> 
>> Total: 9
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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From me at robbiet.us  Thu Jan 12 09:46:20 2012
From: me at robbiet.us (Robbie Trencheny)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 09:46:20 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] AMT goes to exploratorium
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXe+Ur15myPjOJ_t8uaO0ygSGf=dpOWtZ8mSYqJ9z3a7GgA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACAQXe+Ur15myPjOJ_t8uaO0ygSGf=dpOWtZ8mSYqJ9z3a7GgA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPs-5xUw-eYGbHSBgpOS28Fbm4Q=CKAo9D8AXeykpd40gQBmyA@mail.gmail.com>

As I will be running the meeting tonight, I will bring it up AND I will
volunteer! This looks like an amazing opportunity!
Robbie Trencheny (@robbie <http://twitter.com/robbie>)
Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
925-884-3728
robbie.io



On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:42 AM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:

> See attached email, but exploratorium has offered us a booth for 4 hours
> on a saturday. Can some people please volunteer to come? I can probably go,
> but having 1 or 2 other people would be ideal so im not all alone. On the
> plus side you get into the exploratorium for free which has cool stuffs in
> it. Whoever is at the meeting tonight, pease bring it up and force some
> people to volunteer, thanks!
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Karen Wilkinson" <kwilkinson at exploratorium.edu>
> Date: Jan 9, 2012 8:34 PM
> Subject: [AMT Board] OpenMake at the Exploratorium
> To: <info at acemonstertoys.org>
>
> My name is Karen Wilkinson and I work at the Exploratorium.  I'm
> organizing an event here at the museum called Open MAKE on Saturday,
> January 21st from 10-2pm.
>
> I'm wondering if any of your members have MakerBot projects or project
> hacks that relate to "Toys" that they'd like to show off during the event.
>  We'd set up an area for to highlight 'Ace Monster Toys,' just let us know
> what types of things you'd like to bring.
>
> Open MAKE events are intended to get young people interested in Making and
> to introduce Exploratorium visitors to expert Makers in the Bay Area. The
> day is an informal and fun way to connect with the MAKE community and
> museum go-ers.  The thing that will connect all of the activities happening
> that day (very loosely) is the use of "toys" as inspiration.
>
> Let me know if you'd be interested in something like this.  I can
> follow-up with more details and phone call if you'd prefer.
>
>
> Best,
> -Karen
>
>
>
>
>
> Karen Wilkinson | *Tinkering Studio **Director
> *3601 Lyon St., San Francisco, CA 94123-1099*
> *
> ph  415.674.2878
> fax 415.561.0370
> Tinkering Studio <http://tinkering.exploratorium.edu/> @ the Exploratorium<http://www.exploratorium.edu/>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Board mailing list
> Board at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/board
>
>
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From romanian at gmail.com  Thu Jan 12 09:57:47 2012
From: romanian at gmail.com (Stefan Hristu)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 09:57:47 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] AMT goes to exploratorium
In-Reply-To: <CAPs-5xUw-eYGbHSBgpOS28Fbm4Q=CKAo9D8AXeykpd40gQBmyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACAQXe+Ur15myPjOJ_t8uaO0ygSGf=dpOWtZ8mSYqJ9z3a7GgA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPs-5xUw-eYGbHSBgpOS28Fbm4Q=CKAo9D8AXeykpd40gQBmyA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPdpSwxZW2d_BOiQtNrhUhTCR-M1jfDYV19B_7Hz4+1nUfF4qw@mail.gmail.com>

Yea, I am interested as well in doing this. We'll talk to folks when I'm
back (aka. this weekend)
On Jan 12, 2012 9:49 AM, "Robbie Trencheny" <me at robbiet.us> wrote:

> As I will be running the meeting tonight, I will bring it up AND I will
> volunteer! This looks like an amazing opportunity!
> Robbie Trencheny (@robbie <http://twitter.com/robbie>)
> Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
> 925-884-3728
> robbie.io
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:42 AM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> See attached email, but exploratorium has offered us a booth for 4 hours
>> on a saturday. Can some people please volunteer to come? I can probably go,
>> but having 1 or 2 other people would be ideal so im not all alone. On the
>> plus side you get into the exploratorium for free which has cool stuffs in
>> it. Whoever is at the meeting tonight, pease bring it up and force some
>> people to volunteer, thanks!
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "Karen Wilkinson" <kwilkinson at exploratorium.edu>
>> Date: Jan 9, 2012 8:34 PM
>> Subject: [AMT Board] OpenMake at the Exploratorium
>> To: <info at acemonstertoys.org>
>>
>> My name is Karen Wilkinson and I work at the Exploratorium.  I'm
>> organizing an event here at the museum called Open MAKE on Saturday,
>> January 21st from 10-2pm.
>>
>> I'm wondering if any of your members have MakerBot projects or project
>> hacks that relate to "Toys" that they'd like to show off during the event.
>>  We'd set up an area for to highlight 'Ace Monster Toys,' just let us know
>> what types of things you'd like to bring.
>>
>> Open MAKE events are intended to get young people interested in Making
>> and to introduce Exploratorium visitors to expert Makers in the Bay Area.
>> The day is an informal and fun way to connect with the MAKE community and
>> museum go-ers.  The thing that will connect all of the activities happening
>> that day (very loosely) is the use of "toys" as inspiration.
>>
>> Let me know if you'd be interested in something like this.  I can
>> follow-up with more details and phone call if you'd prefer.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> -Karen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Karen Wilkinson | *Tinkering Studio **Director
>> *3601 Lyon St., San Francisco, CA 94123-1099*
>> *
>> ph  415.674.2878
>> fax 415.561.0370
>> Tinkering Studio <http://tinkering.exploratorium.edu/> @ the
>> Exploratorium <http://www.exploratorium.edu/>
>>
>>
>>
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From tewing at gmail.com  Thu Jan 12 13:05:54 2012
From: tewing at gmail.com (Terry Ewing)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 13:05:54 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] USB devices to plug into routers.
In-Reply-To: <D26E7E4F-70DF-4DBF-97EF-52E9510C0E95@tenhand.com>
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Nope.  I haven't bought this one.  If you find a good one, please let us know or update the wiki page.  

Why are you using an external adapter rather than the onboard wifi?

On Jan 11, 2012, at 5:43 PM, myles wrote:

> Have you  bought them? What chipset do they use? 
> On Jan 11, 2012, at 5:16 PM, Terry Ewing wrote:
> 
>> http://www.meritline.com/usb-2-0-wireless-adapter-150-mbps---p-63087.aspx
>> small and $11.
>> 
>> On Jan 11, 2012, at 4:20 PM, myles wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Does anyone have a recommendation for an atheros/ broadcom/ linux friendly wireless card that's small?
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From tewing at gmail.com  Thu Jan 12 13:08:23 2012
From: tewing at gmail.com (Terry Ewing)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 13:08:23 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Who wants a $17 hackable wifi router? (group buy)
In-Reply-To: <CAM-dY3F+c-wzjBapRGNeshOgknU10x2kHsYKiZQnPz2jW66=_A@mail.gmail.com>
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It's been a while since I soldered an SD card slot onto a router and used GPIO to bit-bang to/from the card.  I remember the GPIO sd card interface to be very slow and processor intensive compared to a USB card reader.

On Jan 11, 2012, at 5:56 PM, interrupt80h at gmail.com wrote:

> I'd probably just get a cheap USB thumb drive and plug it in. Or get a
> USB<->SDcard dongle like on the laser machine if you really want
> sdcards.
> 
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 5:47 PM, myles <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:
>> Soldering something in place of the LED shouldn't be hard, so there's 1 GPIO....
>> 
>> While I'd love to find 3 more & set up an SD card, soldering onto anything else might well be worth $15 to avoid.
>> 
>> On Jan 11, 2012, at 5:38 PM, interrupt80h at gmail.com wrote:
>>> As an example, I wrote a C program that blinks the LED using the GPIO
>>> LED device brightness file exposed by the kernel:
>>> https://gist.github.com/1576363/
>>> 
>>> This is why linux rules
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Terry Ewing <default at deadtrout.com> wrote:
>>>> I agree.  It doesn't feel right to bolt the router and the arduino together.  There's a lot of duplication.
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From default at deadtrout.com  Thu Jan 12 15:17:22 2012
From: default at deadtrout.com (Terry Ewing)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 15:17:22 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Fwd: [New post] Cheap WiFi bridge for pen testing or
	otherwise
References: <4779443.65350.0@wordpress.com>
Message-ID: <B634DA42-A3FF-4EF4-B82B-FFA0F9C3D409@deadtrout.com>



Begin forwarded message:

> From: Hack a Day <donotreply at wordpress.com>
> Date: January 12, 2012 1:57:19 PM PST
> To: hackaday at deadtrout.com
> Subject: [New post] Cheap WiFi bridge for pen testing or otherwise
> 
> New post on Hack a Day
> 
> Cheap WiFi bridge for pen testing or otherwise
> by Mike Szczys
> 
> 
> Twenty three dollars. That's all this tiny pen-testing device will set you back. And there really isn't much to it. [Kevin Bong] came up with the idea to use a Wifi router as a bridge to test a wired network's security remotely. He grabbed a TP-Link TL-WR703N router, a low-profile thumb drive, and a cellphone backup battery; all cheaply available products.
> 
> No hardware hacking is necessary to connect the three components. The only other preparation needed is to reflash the router firmware with OpenWRT and load it up with common pen-testing software packages like Netcrack and Airhack.
> 
> [Kevin] calls this a drop box, because you find an Ethernet jack, plug it in, and drop it there. You can then connect to the router via Wifi and begin testing the wired network security measures. We're sure images of espionage pop into your head from that description, but we're certain this can be useful in other ways as well. If you ever find yourself with an Ethernet connection but no access to Wifi this is a quick way to setup an AP.
> 
> Mike Szczys | January 12, 2012 at 2:56 pm | Tags: aircrack-ng, openwrt, penetration testing,tp-link | Categories: security hacks | URL: http://wp.me/pk3lN-h02
> 
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From myles at tenhand.com  Thu Jan 12 15:40:32 2012
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 15:40:32 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] USB devices to plug into routers.
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I've never had good luck with bssid-s
Two interfaces seems more foolproof

Sent from my mobile

On Jan 12, 2012, at 1:05 PM, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:

> Nope.  I haven't bought this one.  If you find a good one, please let us know or update the wiki page.  
> 
> Why are you using an external adapter rather than the onboard wifi?
> 
> On Jan 11, 2012, at 5:43 PM, myles wrote:
> 
>> Have you  bought them? What chipset do they use? 
>> On Jan 11, 2012, at 5:16 PM, Terry Ewing wrote:
>> 
>>> http://www.meritline.com/usb-2-0-wireless-adapter-150-mbps---p-63087.aspx
>>> small and $11.
>>> 
>>> On Jan 11, 2012, at 4:20 PM, myles wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>  Does anyone have a recommendation for an atheros/ broadcom/ linux friendly wireless card that's small?
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From me at robbiet.us  Thu Jan 12 16:00:55 2012
From: me at robbiet.us (Robbie Trencheny)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 16:00:55 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Raspberry Pi competitor for 15 bucks with double the speed
	and capacity!
Message-ID: <CAPs-5xVuVpB=D5fwp5+CdUPFM8Rke_SHvg3HmtZBD0FO7HBjEw@mail.gmail.com>

Just reported on in Free Software Magazine, the Allwinner A10. 7 dollars a
pop in China, 15 after export costs. *Best part about it is the board is
100% GPL compliant as is the software. The manufacturer is going to be
releasing the schematics and code shortly on their Git repos!*


   - 1.5ghz Cortex A8 ARM Core
   - MALI400MP OpenGL ES 2.0 GPU
   - 2160p Hardware-accelerated Video playback (4x the resolution of 1080p)
   - up to 1gb of DDR3 (800mhz) RAM
   - a NAND Flash Controller that is capable of 8-way concurrent DMA (8
   NAND ICs) as well as supporting up to 500mhz DDR2 RAM
   - 4 SDIO interfaces (SD 3.0, UHI class)
   - USB 2.0 Host as well as a 2nd USB-OTG Interface (USB-OTG can be
   reconfigured as USB 2.0 Host, automatically)
   - 24-pin RGB/TTL as well as simultaneous HDMI out
   - SATA-II 3gb/sec
   - 10/100 Ethernet (MII compatible)
   - a 2nd 24-pin RGB/TTL interface that is multiplexed (shared) on the
   same pins for a standard IDE (PATA) interface.
   - GPIO, I2C, PWM, Keyboard Matrix (8x8), built-in Resistive Touchscreen
   Controller, and much more.

Article:
http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/allwinner_a10_gplcompliant_computer_15
Product: http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/


Robbie Trencheny (@robbie <http://twitter.com/robbie>)
Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
925-884-3728
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From me at robbiet.us  Thu Jan 12 16:18:36 2012
From: me at robbiet.us (Robbie Trencheny)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 16:18:36 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Need a ride from BART to the space tonight
Message-ID: <CAPs-5xUaAyrV8dkb=Z_MAPBFkViNm5aX+mMw+F8yTVjt=sgZNA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey,

Costa isn't picking up his phone and he normally gives me a ride from BART
to the space and I have no cash to pay for a taxi and can't walk that far.
Can anyone pick me up at Ashby BART and bring me to the space? I can
totally work around your schedule, I just need to be there by 730 because I
need to run the meeting tonight.

Thanks,
Robbie Trencheny (@robbie <http://twitter.com/robbie>)
Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
925-884-3728
robbie.io
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From slick at rebelbase.com  Thu Jan 12 19:26:17 2012
From: slick at rebelbase.com (slick)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 19:26:17 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Heads up!!!
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXeK-eaLnRFtO4vAk78akzYGbSsag-CRc5giamYTKFsypsg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMmuSosOhYhW12r03OhQOTqnCqgMdBh73BiBJ0pOWQmhAwPgnQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I got frustrated/bored after about 1 1/2 hour of typing 15-20 captchas
a minute. Didn't win.

On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:42 AM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
> I got $50 last time...just my luck to be on vacation with $0.75/min for
> internet this year. Anybody win anything?
>
> On Jan 10, 2012 8:40 AM, "slick" <slick at rebelbase.com> wrote:
>>
>> Tomorrow is Sparkfun's free day.
>>
>> Last year it was so slow I couldn't get anything. I'm keeping my
>> fingers crossed for tomorrow.
>>
>> 9am MST 11 JAN 2011
>>
>> http://www.sparkfun.com/news/780
>>
>> get your captcha glasses on.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
>
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From biff at cliffle.com  Thu Jan 12 19:30:51 2012
From: biff at cliffle.com (Cliff L. Biffle)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 19:30:51 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Raspberry Pi competitor for 15 bucks with double the
 speed and capacity!
In-Reply-To: <CAPs-5xVuVpB=D5fwp5+CdUPFM8Rke_SHvg3HmtZBD0FO7HBjEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPs-5xVuVpB=D5fwp5+CdUPFM8Rke_SHvg3HmtZBD0FO7HBjEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+hY8PrctqA-sgiBW4GOAjTx6B-zmqrJX1i+zo722wK2GvbThw@mail.gmail.com>

That's an SOC, not a full board at that price.
On Jan 12, 2012 4:01 PM, "Robbie Trencheny" <me at robbiet.us> wrote:

> Just reported on in Free Software Magazine, the Allwinner A10. 7 dollars a
> pop in China, 15 after export costs. *Best part about it is the board is
> 100% GPL compliant as is the software. The manufacturer is going to be
> releasing the schematics and code shortly on their Git repos!*
>
>
>    - 1.5ghz Cortex A8 ARM Core
>    - MALI400MP OpenGL ES 2.0 GPU
>    - 2160p Hardware-accelerated Video playback (4x the resolution of
>    1080p)
>    - up to 1gb of DDR3 (800mhz) RAM
>    - a NAND Flash Controller that is capable of 8-way concurrent DMA (8
>    NAND ICs) as well as supporting up to 500mhz DDR2 RAM
>    - 4 SDIO interfaces (SD 3.0, UHI class)
>    - USB 2.0 Host as well as a 2nd USB-OTG Interface (USB-OTG can be
>    reconfigured as USB 2.0 Host, automatically)
>    - 24-pin RGB/TTL as well as simultaneous HDMI out
>    - SATA-II 3gb/sec
>    - 10/100 Ethernet (MII compatible)
>    - a 2nd 24-pin RGB/TTL interface that is multiplexed (shared) on the
>    same pins for a standard IDE (PATA) interface.
>    - GPIO, I2C, PWM, Keyboard Matrix (8x8), built-in Resistive
>    Touchscreen Controller, and much more.
>
> Article:
> http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/allwinner_a10_gplcompliant_computer_15
> Product: http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/
>
>
> Robbie Trencheny (@robbie <http://twitter.com/robbie>)
> Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
> 925-884-3728
> robbie.io
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From drorex at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 07:52:31 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 07:52:31 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] AMT goes to exploratorium
In-Reply-To: <CAPs-5xUw-eYGbHSBgpOS28Fbm4Q=CKAo9D8AXeykpd40gQBmyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACAQXe+Ur15myPjOJ_t8uaO0ygSGf=dpOWtZ8mSYqJ9z3a7GgA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPs-5xUw-eYGbHSBgpOS28Fbm4Q=CKAo9D8AXeykpd40gQBmyA@mail.gmail.com>
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I did it last year, free exposure is always nice, but I dont know that we
actually got any new members out of it.
On Jan 12, 2012 9:49 AM, "Robbie Trencheny" <me at robbiet.us> wrote:

> As I will be running the meeting tonight, I will bring it up AND I will
> volunteer! This looks like an amazing opportunity!
> Robbie Trencheny (@robbie <http://twitter.com/robbie>)
> Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
> 925-884-3728
> robbie.io
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:42 AM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> See attached email, but exploratorium has offered us a booth for 4 hours
>> on a saturday. Can some people please volunteer to come? I can probably go,
>> but having 1 or 2 other people would be ideal so im not all alone. On the
>> plus side you get into the exploratorium for free which has cool stuffs in
>> it. Whoever is at the meeting tonight, pease bring it up and force some
>> people to volunteer, thanks!
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "Karen Wilkinson" <kwilkinson at exploratorium.edu>
>> Date: Jan 9, 2012 8:34 PM
>> Subject: [AMT Board] OpenMake at the Exploratorium
>> To: <info at acemonstertoys.org>
>>
>> My name is Karen Wilkinson and I work at the Exploratorium.  I'm
>> organizing an event here at the museum called Open MAKE on Saturday,
>> January 21st from 10-2pm.
>>
>> I'm wondering if any of your members have MakerBot projects or project
>> hacks that relate to "Toys" that they'd like to show off during the event.
>>  We'd set up an area for to highlight 'Ace Monster Toys,' just let us know
>> what types of things you'd like to bring.
>>
>> Open MAKE events are intended to get young people interested in Making
>> and to introduce Exploratorium visitors to expert Makers in the Bay Area.
>> The day is an informal and fun way to connect with the MAKE community and
>> museum go-ers.  The thing that will connect all of the activities happening
>> that day (very loosely) is the use of "toys" as inspiration.
>>
>> Let me know if you'd be interested in something like this.  I can
>> follow-up with more details and phone call if you'd prefer.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> -Karen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Karen Wilkinson | *Tinkering Studio **Director
>> *3601 Lyon St., San Francisco, CA 94123-1099*
>> *
>> ph  415.674.2878
>> fax 415.561.0370
>> Tinkering Studio <http://tinkering.exploratorium.edu/> @ the
>> Exploratorium <http://www.exploratorium.edu/>
>>
>>
>>
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From denkdireineaus at web.de  Fri Jan 13 08:40:13 2012
From: denkdireineaus at web.de (denkdireineaus at web.de)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 17:40:13 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [AMTD]  AMT goes to exploratorium
Message-ID: <24629918.26680.1326472813539.JavaMail.fmail@fmservice30>

I'm new to the list and just learned about AMT in general.

On Sat 0121 I volunteer at the Explo in a program called Explorables. If you are there I will definitely try to take a look at what you are doing. 

Ole

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Gesendet: Friday, 13 January 2012 um 16:52:31 Uhr
Von: "David Rorex" <drorex at gmail.com>
An: discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
Betreff: Re: [AMTD] AMT goes to exploratorium
I did it last year, free exposure is always nice, but I dont know that we
actually got any new members out of it.
On Jan 12, 2012 9:49 AM, "Robbie Trencheny" <me at robbiet.us> wrote:

> As I will be running the meeting tonight, I will bring it up AND I will
> volunteer! This looks like an amazing opportunity!
> Robbie Trencheny (@robbie <http://twitter.com/robbie>)
> Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
> 925-884-3728
> robbie.io
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:42 AM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> See attached email, but exploratorium has offered us a booth for 4 hours
>> on a saturday. Can some people please volunteer to come? I can probably go,
>> but having 1 or 2 other people would be ideal so im not all alone. On the
>> plus side you get into the exploratorium for free which has cool stuffs in
>> it. Whoever is at the meeting tonight, pease bring it up and force some
>> people to volunteer, thanks!
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "Karen Wilkinson" <kwilkinson at exploratorium.edu>
>> Date: Jan 9, 2012 8:34 PM
>> Subject: [AMT Board] OpenMake at the Exploratorium
>> To: <info at acemonstertoys.org>
>>
>> My name is Karen Wilkinson and I work at the Exploratorium.  I'm
>> organizing an event here at the museum called Open MAKE on Saturday,
>> January 21st from 10-2pm.
>>
>> I'm wondering if any of your members have MakerBot projects or project
>> hacks that relate to "Toys" that they'd like to show off during the event.
>>  We'd set up an area for to highlight 'Ace Monster Toys,' just let us know
>> what types of things you'd like to bring.
>>
>> Open MAKE events are intended to get young people interested in Making
>> and to introduce Exploratorium visitors to expert Makers in the Bay Area.
>> The day is an informal and fun way to connect with the MAKE community and
>> museum go-ers.  The thing that will connect all of the activities happening
>> that day (very loosely) is the use of "toys" as inspiration.
>>
>> Let me know if you'd be interested in something like this.  I can
>> follow-up with more details and phone call if you'd prefer.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> -Karen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Karen Wilkinson | *Tinkering Studio **Director
>> *3601 Lyon St., San Francisco, CA 94123-1099*
>> *
>> ph  415.674.2878
>> fax 415.561.0370
>> Tinkering Studio <http://tinkering.exploratorium.edu/> @ the
>> Exploratorium <http://www.exploratorium.edu/>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Board mailing list
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>>
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From robertcook at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 13:40:02 2012
From: robertcook at gmail.com (Robert Cook)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 13:40:02 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] LAZER now clean
Message-ID: <C96AD2E2-1DDF-4785-92DA-A02D00D4F9CB@gmail.com>

So, the laser cutter lens was blackened with soot.  It was a wonder anything could be cut.  I spent about 20 minutes with alcohol and the microfiber cloth and managed to clean the soot off, but the yellowish coating that is supposed to be on the lens is missing now in the middle.  I don't think this was because of my cleaning since the coating gap is on the opposite surface.  Maybe the laser, when faced with a black lens bakes the coating off?

Costa put it all back together and tested it and it seems to work well now -- really, better than before since he changed the position of the lens in the housing -- the beam is much more focused.

So, two things:

- We should order a couple more lenses.  
- We should clean this on a schedule.  

My guess is that the laser will last longer if people are cutting with less power because the lens is clean and well-focused. 

R

From hephaestus at antipunk.net  Fri Jan 13 13:48:45 2012
From: hephaestus at antipunk.net (Hephaestus)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 13:48:45 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] LAZER now clean
In-Reply-To: <C96AD2E2-1DDF-4785-92DA-A02D00D4F9CB@gmail.com>
References: <C96AD2E2-1DDF-4785-92DA-A02D00D4F9CB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABZdcAn+7GJ-K60Mr+WudyOPvrR0swXFTWABxPj3WfdZUgp79Q@mail.gmail.com>

You, Sir, rock.

On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Robert Cook <robertcook at gmail.com> wrote:
> So, the laser cutter lens was blackened with soot. ?It was a wonder anything could be cut. ?I spent about 20 minutes with alcohol and the microfiber cloth and managed to clean the soot off, but the yellowish coating that is supposed to be on the lens is missing now in the middle. ?I don't think this was because of my cleaning since the coating gap is on the opposite surface. ?Maybe the laser, when faced with a black lens bakes the coating off?
>
> Costa put it all back together and tested it and it seems to work well now -- really, better than before since he changed the position of the lens in the housing -- the beam is much more focused.
>
> So, two things:
>
> - We should order a couple more lenses.
> - We should clean this on a schedule.
>
> My guess is that the laser will last longer if people are cutting with less power because the lens is clean and well-focused.
>
> R
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss


From robertcook at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 14:05:53 2012
From: robertcook at gmail.com (Robert Cook)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 14:05:53 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] LAZER now clean
In-Reply-To: <CABZdcAn+7GJ-K60Mr+WudyOPvrR0swXFTWABxPj3WfdZUgp79Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C96AD2E2-1DDF-4785-92DA-A02D00D4F9CB@gmail.com>
	<CABZdcAn+7GJ-K60Mr+WudyOPvrR0swXFTWABxPj3WfdZUgp79Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ABE154CB-2E17-4E43-97C3-A25F5C3184E6@gmail.com>

Costa gets 90% of the credit.

On Jan 13, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Hephaestus wrote:

> You, Sir, rock.
> 
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Robert Cook <robertcook at gmail.com> wrote:
>> So, the laser cutter lens was blackened with soot.  It was a wonder anything could be cut.  I spent about 20 minutes with alcohol and the microfiber cloth and managed to clean the soot off, but the yellowish coating that is supposed to be on the lens is missing now in the middle.  I don't think this was because of my cleaning since the coating gap is on the opposite surface.  Maybe the laser, when faced with a black lens bakes the coating off?
>> 
>> Costa put it all back together and tested it and it seems to work well now -- really, better than before since he changed the position of the lens in the housing -- the beam is much more focused.
>> 
>> So, two things:
>> 
>> - We should order a couple more lenses.
>> - We should clean this on a schedule.
>> 
>> My guess is that the laser will last longer if people are cutting with less power because the lens is clean and well-focused.
>> 
>> R
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss



From hephaestus at antipunk.net  Fri Jan 13 15:11:46 2012
From: hephaestus at antipunk.net (Hephaestus)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 15:11:46 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] LAZER now clean
In-Reply-To: <ABE154CB-2E17-4E43-97C3-A25F5C3184E6@gmail.com>
References: <C96AD2E2-1DDF-4785-92DA-A02D00D4F9CB@gmail.com>
	<CABZdcAn+7GJ-K60Mr+WudyOPvrR0swXFTWABxPj3WfdZUgp79Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<ABE154CB-2E17-4E43-97C3-A25F5C3184E6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABZdcAk9oD7n37rUc_Ac0dUa4CoV+v5HZHuocBtrG_H2xw_ZEA@mail.gmail.com>

Costa already knows that he rocks =]

On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Robert Cook <robertcook at gmail.com> wrote:
> Costa gets 90% of the credit.
>
> On Jan 13, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Hephaestus wrote:
>
>> You, Sir, rock.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Robert Cook <robertcook at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> So, the laser cutter lens was blackened with soot. ?It was a wonder anything could be cut. ?I spent about 20 minutes with alcohol and the microfiber cloth and managed to clean the soot off, but the yellowish coating that is supposed to be on the lens is missing now in the middle. ?I don't think this was because of my cleaning since the coating gap is on the opposite surface. ?Maybe the laser, when faced with a black lens bakes the coating off?
>>>
>>> Costa put it all back together and tested it and it seems to work well now -- really, better than before since he changed the position of the lens in the housing -- the beam is much more focused.
>>>
>>> So, two things:
>>>
>>> - We should order a couple more lenses.
>>> - We should clean this on a schedule.
>>>
>>> My guess is that the laser will last longer if people are cutting with less power because the lens is clean and well-focused.
>>>
>>> R
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss


From maltman23 at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 13 15:27:01 2012
From: maltman23 at hotmail.com (Mitch Altman)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 15:27:01 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] HOPE Pre-registration Now Open!
Message-ID: <SNT102-W29478387DDF11E07EE7AA2B89C0@phx.gbl>


Pre-registration for the HOPE #9 conference is now officially open!

 

The initial discounted tickets for HOPE #9 sold out within minutes.  This is the last chance to get pre-registration tickets for HOPE #9 at a discount.  For a limited time pre-registration will be nearly 20% off the door price!


http://store.2600.com/hopenumbernine.html

 

HOPE #9 will be taking place July 13th through 15th, in New York City, at the historic Hotel Pennsylvania.

 

There will be talks and workshops and presentations and art and music and film and lots of fun events throughout HOPE #9, all day, all night.  Topics range from security to society to electronics to art to politics to science to hacking of all sorts.  Some of the brightest people in their fields will be present.  You are welcome to be amongst them to learn and share.

 

There will also be a huge Hackerspace Village, where hackerspaces from around the world are invited to show and share cool projects.

 


Mitch.


  		 	   		  

From robertcook at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 16:57:36 2012
From: robertcook at gmail.com (Robert Cook)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 16:57:36 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] LAZER now clean
In-Reply-To: <CABZdcAk9oD7n37rUc_Ac0dUa4CoV+v5HZHuocBtrG_H2xw_ZEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C96AD2E2-1DDF-4785-92DA-A02D00D4F9CB@gmail.com>
	<CABZdcAn+7GJ-K60Mr+WudyOPvrR0swXFTWABxPj3WfdZUgp79Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<ABE154CB-2E17-4E43-97C3-A25F5C3184E6@gmail.com>
	<CABZdcAk9oD7n37rUc_Ac0dUa4CoV+v5HZHuocBtrG_H2xw_ZEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6D304D1E-36A1-43BA-A353-421080C74CEA@gmail.com>

BTW, this is what the lens looked like before it was cleaned.  Dirty, dirty lens.  I have no idea what would cause that kind of soot.  



On Jan 13, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Hephaestus wrote:

> Costa already knows that he rocks =]
> 
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Robert Cook <robertcook at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Costa gets 90% of the credit.
>> 
>> On Jan 13, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Hephaestus wrote:
>> 
>>> You, Sir, rock.
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Robert Cook <robertcook at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> So, the laser cutter lens was blackened with soot.  It was a wonder anything could be cut.  I spent about 20 minutes with alcohol and the microfiber cloth and managed to clean the soot off, but the yellowish coating that is supposed to be on the lens is missing now in the middle.  I don't think this was because of my cleaning since the coating gap is on the opposite surface.  Maybe the laser, when faced with a black lens bakes the coating off?
>>>> 
>>>> Costa put it all back together and tested it and it seems to work well now -- really, better than before since he changed the position of the lens in the housing -- the beam is much more focused.
>>>> 
>>>> So, two things:
>>>> 
>>>> - We should order a couple more lenses.
>>>> - We should clean this on a schedule.
>>>> 
>>>> My guess is that the laser will last longer if people are cutting with less power because the lens is clean and well-focused.
>>>> 
>>>> R
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Discuss mailing list
>>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
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From louise.s.fox at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 19:53:07 2012
From: louise.s.fox at gmail.com (Louise Fox)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 19:53:07 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] LAZER now clean
In-Reply-To: <6D304D1E-36A1-43BA-A353-421080C74CEA@gmail.com>
References: <C96AD2E2-1DDF-4785-92DA-A02D00D4F9CB@gmail.com>
	<CABZdcAn+7GJ-K60Mr+WudyOPvrR0swXFTWABxPj3WfdZUgp79Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<ABE154CB-2E17-4E43-97C3-A25F5C3184E6@gmail.com>
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that is how ours looked like too. I think it just from all the smoke.

-Louise

On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Robert Cook <robertcook at gmail.com> wrote:

> BTW, this is what the lens looked like before it was cleaned.  Dirty,
> dirty lens.  I have no idea what would cause that kind of soot.
>
>
> On Jan 13, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Hephaestus wrote:
>
> Costa already knows that he rocks =]
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Robert Cook <robertcook at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Costa gets 90% of the credit.
>
>
> On Jan 13, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Hephaestus wrote:
>
>
> You, Sir, rock.
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Robert Cook <robertcook at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> So, the laser cutter lens was blackened with soot.  It was a wonder
> anything could be cut.  I spent about 20 minutes with alcohol and the
> microfiber cloth and managed to clean the soot off, but the yellowish
> coating that is supposed to be on the lens is missing now in the middle.  I
> don't think this was because of my cleaning since the coating gap is on the
> opposite surface.  Maybe the laser, when faced with a black lens bakes the
> coating off?
>
>
> Costa put it all back together and tested it and it seems to work well now
> -- really, better than before since he changed the position of the lens in
> the housing -- the beam is much more focused.
>
>
> So, two things:
>
>
> - We should order a couple more lenses.
>
> - We should clean this on a schedule.
>
>
> My guess is that the laser will last longer if people are cutting with
> less power because the lens is clean and well-focused.
>
>
> R
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Discuss mailing list
>
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Discuss mailing list
>
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Discuss mailing list
>
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
>
>
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-- 
Louise Fox
Mechanical Engineer
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From drorex at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 03:57:53 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 03:57:53 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] LAZER now clean
In-Reply-To: <6D304D1E-36A1-43BA-A353-421080C74CEA@gmail.com>
References: <C96AD2E2-1DDF-4785-92DA-A02D00D4F9CB@gmail.com>
	<CABZdcAn+7GJ-K60Mr+WudyOPvrR0swXFTWABxPj3WfdZUgp79Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<ABE154CB-2E17-4E43-97C3-A25F5C3184E6@gmail.com>
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The combination of the exhaust fan and the air assist should keep most of
the smoke out of the lens. I wonder if either of those were not on during
some cutting? Or maybe someone was cutting and there were flames? flames
from material are not allowed (techshop's guideline is no more then a
single flash of flame per 15 seconds, any continuous flame and you have to
stop immedately)

We do have 2 spare lenses: one is the same as the current in-use lens, and
one has a shorter focal length, for more detailed engraving. They are about
$40 plus shipping from XYZ Tech iirc.
On Jan 13, 2012 4:57 PM, "Robert Cook" <robertcook at gmail.com> wrote:

> BTW, this is what the lens looked like before it was cleaned.  Dirty,
> dirty lens.  I have no idea what would cause that kind of soot.
>
>
> On Jan 13, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Hephaestus wrote:
>
> Costa already knows that he rocks =]
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Robert Cook <robertcook at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Costa gets 90% of the credit.
>
>
> On Jan 13, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Hephaestus wrote:
>
>
> You, Sir, rock.
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Robert Cook <robertcook at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> So, the laser cutter lens was blackened with soot.  It was a wonder
> anything could be cut.  I spent about 20 minutes with alcohol and the
> microfiber cloth and managed to clean the soot off, but the yellowish
> coating that is supposed to be on the lens is missing now in the middle.  I
> don't think this was because of my cleaning since the coating gap is on the
> opposite surface.  Maybe the laser, when faced with a black lens bakes the
> coating off?
>
>
> Costa put it all back together and tested it and it seems to work well now
> -- really, better than before since he changed the position of the lens in
> the housing -- the beam is much more focused.
>
>
> So, two things:
>
>
> - We should order a couple more lenses.
>
> - We should clean this on a schedule.
>
>
> My guess is that the laser will last longer if people are cutting with
> less power because the lens is clean and well-focused.
>
>
> R
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Discuss mailing list
>
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Discuss mailing list
>
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From drorex at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 05:04:33 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 05:04:33 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Fwd: Your Meetup Organizer Dues expire in 20 days
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It's $72 for six months... anyone feel like donating a bit extra this month
to help cover it? Otherwise i probably will end up paying it all myself. I
think its worth the cost. Send paypal to treasurer at acemonstertoys.org, drop
cash/check in the treasurer locker, or check the 'paying dues' page on our
site for a 'dwolla' donation link

Thanks!

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From drorex at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 07:25:34 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 07:25:34 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Raspberry Pi competitor for 15 bucks with double the
 speed and capacity!
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Following some links finds a page saying you can get a small dev board with
that SoC for $75. They say in theory the price could go down to $15 if they
mass produce it (100k boards)
On Jan 12, 2012 10:31 PM, "Cliff L. Biffle" <biff at cliffle.com> wrote:

> That's an SOC, not a full board at that price.
> On Jan 12, 2012 4:01 PM, "Robbie Trencheny" <me at robbiet.us> wrote:
>
>> Just reported on in Free Software Magazine, the Allwinner A10. 7 dollars
>> a pop in China, 15 after export costs. *Best part about it is the board
>> is 100% GPL compliant as is the software. The manufacturer is going to be
>> releasing the schematics and code shortly on their Git repos!*
>>
>>
>>    - 1.5ghz Cortex A8 ARM Core
>>    - MALI400MP OpenGL ES 2.0 GPU
>>    - 2160p Hardware-accelerated Video playback (4x the resolution of
>>    1080p)
>>    - up to 1gb of DDR3 (800mhz) RAM
>>    - a NAND Flash Controller that is capable of 8-way concurrent DMA (8
>>    NAND ICs) as well as supporting up to 500mhz DDR2 RAM
>>    - 4 SDIO interfaces (SD 3.0, UHI class)
>>    - USB 2.0 Host as well as a 2nd USB-OTG Interface (USB-OTG can be
>>    reconfigured as USB 2.0 Host, automatically)
>>    - 24-pin RGB/TTL as well as simultaneous HDMI out
>>    - SATA-II 3gb/sec
>>    - 10/100 Ethernet (MII compatible)
>>    - a 2nd 24-pin RGB/TTL interface that is multiplexed (shared) on the
>>    same pins for a standard IDE (PATA) interface.
>>    - GPIO, I2C, PWM, Keyboard Matrix (8x8), built-in Resistive
>>    Touchscreen Controller, and much more.
>>
>> Article:
>> http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/allwinner_a10_gplcompliant_computer_15
>> Product: http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/
>>
>>
>> Robbie Trencheny (@robbie <http://twitter.com/robbie>)
>> Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
>> 925-884-3728
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Sat Jan 14 09:19:10 2012
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 09:19:10 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] LAZER now clean
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXeL0EawA3V=zBYmHpxRc8P2TFEEQWXsKnyn5qpwiMSH0Cw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C96AD2E2-1DDF-4785-92DA-A02D00D4F9CB@gmail.com>
	<CABZdcAn+7GJ-K60Mr+WudyOPvrR0swXFTWABxPj3WfdZUgp79Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<ABE154CB-2E17-4E43-97C3-A25F5C3184E6@gmail.com>
	<CABZdcAk9oD7n37rUc_Ac0dUa4CoV+v5HZHuocBtrG_H2xw_ZEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<6D304D1E-36A1-43BA-A353-421080C74CEA@gmail.com>
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When it gets dirty, I've seen a lot more flames so I think it may be a vicious cycle. 

It wasn't me this time though!

On Jan 14, 2012, at 3:57 AM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:

> The combination of the exhaust fan and the air assist should keep most of the smoke out of the lens. I wonder if either of those were not on during some cutting? Or maybe someone was cutting and there were flames? flames from material are not allowed (techshop's guideline is no more then a single flash of flame per 15 seconds, any continuous flame and you have to stop immedately)
> 
> We do have 2 spare lenses: one is the same as the current in-use lens, and one has a shorter focal length, for more detailed engraving. They are about $40 plus shipping from XYZ Tech iirc.
> 
> On Jan 13, 2012 4:57 PM, "Robert Cook" <robertcook at gmail.com> wrote:
> BTW, this is what the lens looked like before it was cleaned.  Dirty, dirty lens.  I have no idea what would cause that kind of soot.  
> 
> <photo.JPG>
> 
> On Jan 13, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Hephaestus wrote:
> 
>> Costa already knows that he rocks =]
>> 
>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Robert Cook <robertcook at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Costa gets 90% of the credit.
>>> 
>>> On Jan 13, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Hephaestus wrote:
>>> 
>>>> You, Sir, rock.
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Robert Cook <robertcook at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> So, the laser cutter lens was blackened with soot.  It was a wonder anything could be cut.  I spent about 20 minutes with alcohol and the microfiber cloth and managed to clean the soot off, but the yellowish coating that is supposed to be on the lens is missing now in the middle.  I don't think this was because of my cleaning since the coating gap is on the opposite surface.  Maybe the laser, when faced with a black lens bakes the coating off?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Costa put it all back together and tested it and it seems to work well now -- really, better than before since he changed the position of the lens in the housing -- the beam is much more focused.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, two things:
>>>>> 
>>>>> - We should order a couple more lenses.
>>>>> - We should clean this on a schedule.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My guess is that the laser will last longer if people are cutting with less power because the lens is clean and well-focused.
>>>>> 
>>>>> R
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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From ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com  Sat Jan 14 10:34:54 2012
From: ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com (Christopher Cook)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 10:34:54 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] LAZER now clean
In-Reply-To: <4D0D800A-E7C5-44EE-8E01-470707F4C5A2@openbuddha.com>
References: <C96AD2E2-1DDF-4785-92DA-A02D00D4F9CB@gmail.com>
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In the line of more work for someone else (davr); maybe the laser timer
could bink or something every X (5hrs?) of use to indicate that the lens
should be cleaned and a reset button pressed.

On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Al Jigen Billings <albill at openbuddha.com>wrote:

> When it gets dirty, I've seen a lot more flames so I think it may be a
> vicious cycle.
>
> It wasn't me this time though!
>
>
> On Jan 14, 2012, at 3:57 AM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The combination of the exhaust fan and the air assist should keep most of
> the smoke out of the lens. I wonder if either of those were not on during
> some cutting? Or maybe someone was cutting and there were flames? flames
> from material are not allowed (techshop's guideline is no more then a
> single flash of flame per 15 seconds, any continuous flame and you have to
> stop immedately)
>
> We do have 2 spare lenses: one is the same as the current in-use lens, and
> one has a shorter focal length, for more detailed engraving. They are about
> $40 plus shipping from XYZ Tech iirc.
> On Jan 13, 2012 4:57 PM, "Robert Cook" <robertcook at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> BTW, this is what the lens looked like before it was cleaned.  Dirty,
>> dirty lens.  I have no idea what would cause that kind of soot.
>>
>> <photo.JPG>
>>
>> On Jan 13, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Hephaestus wrote:
>>
>> Costa already knows that he rocks =]
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Robert Cook <robertcook at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Costa gets 90% of the credit.
>>
>>
>> On Jan 13, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Hephaestus wrote:
>>
>>
>> You, Sir, rock.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Robert Cook <robertcook at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> So, the laser cutter lens was blackened with soot.  It was a wonder
>> anything could be cut.  I spent about 20 minutes with alcohol and the
>> microfiber cloth and managed to clean the soot off, but the yellowish
>> coating that is supposed to be on the lens is missing now in the middle.  I
>> don't think this was because of my cleaning since the coating gap is on the
>> opposite surface.  Maybe the laser, when faced with a black lens bakes the
>> coating off?
>>
>>
>> Costa put it all back together and tested it and it seems to work well
>> now -- really, better than before since he changed the position of the lens
>> in the housing -- the beam is much more focused.
>>
>>
>> So, two things:
>>
>>
>> - We should order a couple more lenses.
>>
>> - We should clean this on a schedule.
>>
>>
>> My guess is that the laser will last longer if people are cutting with
>> less power because the lens is clean and well-focused.
>>
>>
>> R
>>
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>>
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From drorex at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 13:39:05 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 13:39:05 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Notice of my impending departure aka I'm going to talk
 about me for a bit
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Any possibility of putting the work you did on 501c3 on the wiki on the off
chance we want to actually try and get it done?
On Jan 10, 2012 1:43 PM, "Robbie Trencheny" <me at robbiet.us> wrote:

> To all who shall see these presents or hear them read greetings,
>
> I thought I would send this email to alert everyone to the fact that
> starting Sunday I will be in Colorado Springs, Colorado and will remain
> there for 1 month or 30 days, whichever comes first.
>
> Why am I telling you this? Well, my company is about to launch a new
> product which will be taking up the majority of my time.... Which means
> that the 501(c)3 process is going to be delayed slightly...
>
> Also, I will be gone and will not be able to provide you with the glorious
> amount of notes that I usually write for every meeting, nor will I be able
> to run said meeting in Al's absence.
>
>
> (signed)
>
> Robbie Trencheny (@robbie <http://twitter.com/robbie>)
> Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
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From biff at cliffle.com  Sat Jan 14 14:35:53 2012
From: biff at cliffle.com (Cliff L. Biffle)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 14:35:53 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Fwd: Your Meetup Organizer Dues expire in 20 days
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What has our ROI been so far? Have we gotten any recurring (read: paying)
members from MeetUp, or just one-time attendees?
On Jan 14, 2012 5:04 AM, "David Rorex" <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:

> It's $72 for six months... anyone feel like donating a bit extra this
> month to help cover it? Otherwise i probably will end up paying it all
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> check the 'paying dues' page on our site for a 'dwolla' donation link
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> Thanks!
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From myles at tenhand.com  Sat Jan 14 16:51:54 2012
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 16:51:54 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] laser cutter soft stop?
Message-ID: <903DF2F6-EE87-4144-B65D-DEDD5EDACE1A@tenhand.com>



Soft stop = you and the lasercutter disagree on where the origin is, right? Is there anything else that triggers that? 


I'm wondering if there's a magic checkbox I'm missing. 

From romanian at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 17:36:31 2012
From: romanian at gmail.com (Stefan Hristu)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 17:36:31 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] laser cutter soft stop?
In-Reply-To: <903DF2F6-EE87-4144-B65D-DEDD5EDACE1A@tenhand.com>
References: <903DF2F6-EE87-4144-B65D-DEDD5EDACE1A@tenhand.com>
Message-ID: <CAPdpSwwTO2C0aWNvH7r3GOTUokTZ+Skc__Vm_LASvFV2OaZYFw@mail.gmail.com>

Usually means that the model falls outside the available reality.

The origin can be used to adjust where the starting point will be. Check
the immediate/instantaneous (or something) box if it is not
On Jan 14, 2012 4:52 PM, "myles" <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:

>
>
> Soft stop = you and the lasercutter disagree on where the origin is,
> right? Is there anything else that triggers that?
>
>
> I'm wondering if there's a magic checkbox I'm missing.
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From myles at tenhand.com  Sat Jan 14 17:40:11 2012
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 17:40:11 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] laser cutter soft stop?
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I've done both of those - tried lower left, upper right, etc.  Instantaneous is set. 

After googleing it looks like sometimes you get this error when the machine config has been updated? Are the perfect machine configs documented somewhere where I could double check them? 


On Jan 14, 2012, at 5:36 PM, Stefan Hristu wrote:

> The origin can be used to adjust where the starting point will be. Check the immediate/instantaneous (or something) box if it is not
> 
> On Jan 14, 2012 4:52 PM, "myles" <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Soft stop = you and the lasercutter disagree on where the origin is, right? Is there anything else that triggers that?
> 
> 
> I'm wondering if there's a magic checkbox I'm missing.
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From romanian at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 17:51:15 2012
From: romanian at gmail.com (Stefan Hristu)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 17:51:15 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] laser cutter soft stop?
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Not to my knowledge. Are you gonna be there in 5-10 min?
On Jan 14, 2012 5:40 PM, "myles" <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:

> I've done both of those - tried lower left, upper right, etc.
>  Instantaneous is set.
>
> After googleing it looks like sometimes you get this error when the
> machine config has been updated? Are the perfect machine configs documented
> somewhere where I could double check them?
>
>
> On Jan 14, 2012, at 5:36 PM, Stefan Hristu wrote:
>
> The origin can be used to adjust where the starting point will be. Check
> the immediate/instantaneous (or something) box if it is not
> On Jan 14, 2012 4:52 PM, "myles" <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Soft stop = you and the lasercutter disagree on where the origin is,
>> right? Is there anything else that triggers that?
>>
>>
>> I'm wondering if there's a magic checkbox I'm missing.
>> _______________________________________________
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From drorex at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 20:37:38 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 20:37:38 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] laser cutter soft stop?
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	<CAPdpSwwTO2C0aWNvH7r3GOTUokTZ+Skc__Vm_LASvFV2OaZYFw@mail.gmail.com>
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Like with most problems, i just do random stuff until it works again. I
think the things most likely to fix soft stop:
1. Re-set origin point
2. Make sure 'immediate' mode is set
3. Delete all stored files in laser
4. Re-download design to laser
5. Move material &  laser head slightly

I've never had a 'soft stop' be permanent after doing some of the above. I
agree with previous post, soft stop means the laser thinks you are telling
him to drive off the side of the bed.

Try selecting all and then hitting the resize button. Perhaps you have some
vector placed off at x=100000 where you cant see it. Occasionally graphics
will not import correctly. Trying again, or restarting LaserCut should fix
it
On Jan 14, 2012 5:51 PM, "Stefan Hristu" <romanian at gmail.com> wrote:

> Not to my knowledge. Are you gonna be there in 5-10 min?
> On Jan 14, 2012 5:40 PM, "myles" <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:
>
>> I've done both of those - tried lower left, upper right, etc.
>>  Instantaneous is set.
>>
>> After googleing it looks like sometimes you get this error when the
>> machine config has been updated? Are the perfect machine configs documented
>> somewhere where I could double check them?
>>
>>
>> On Jan 14, 2012, at 5:36 PM, Stefan Hristu wrote:
>>
>> The origin can be used to adjust where the starting point will be. Check
>> the immediate/instantaneous (or something) box if it is not
>> On Jan 14, 2012 4:52 PM, "myles" <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Soft stop = you and the lasercutter disagree on where the origin is,
>>> right? Is there anything else that triggers that?
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm wondering if there's a magic checkbox I'm missing.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
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>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From drorex at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 20:40:30 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 20:40:30 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Fwd: Your Meetup Organizer Dues expire in 20 days
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Unfortunately i havent really kept track. But i know there's at least one,
and has more then paid back the cost. Honestly this email is just fishing
for more donations to AMT in general.
On Jan 14, 2012 2:36 PM, "Cliff L. Biffle" <biff at cliffle.com> wrote:

> What has our ROI been so far? Have we gotten any recurring (read: paying)
> members from MeetUp, or just one-time attendees?
> On Jan 14, 2012 5:04 AM, "David Rorex" <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It's $72 for six months... anyone feel like donating a bit extra this
>> month to help cover it? Otherwise i probably will end up paying it all
>> myself. I think its worth the cost. Send paypal to
>> treasurer at acemonstertoys.org, drop cash/check in the treasurer locker,
>> or check the 'paying dues' page on our site for a 'dwolla' donation link
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "Meetup Billing Support" <billingsupport at meetup.com>
>> Date: Jan 14, 2012 7:06 AM
>> Subject: Your Meetup Organizer Dues expire in 20 days
>> To: <drorex at gmail.com>
>>
>> Because your credit card is about to expire, or already has
>> expired, your Meetup Organizer account will end in 20 days.
>>
>> To continue as an Organizer make sure to update your credit
>> card information before February 4, 2012!
>>
>> Best regards,
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Sat Jan 14 21:01:11 2012
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigen Billings)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 21:01:11 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Fwd: Your Meetup Organizer Dues expire in 20 days
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References: <691154427.1326542687841.JavaMail.root@jobs0.meetup.com>
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We've had several new members from it, I believe.

On Jan 14, 2012, at 8:40 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:

> Unfortunately i havent really kept track. But i know there's at least one, and has more then paid back the cost. Honestly this email is just fishing for more donations to AMT in general.
> 
> On Jan 14, 2012 2:36 PM, "Cliff L. Biffle" <biff at cliffle.com> wrote:
> What has our ROI been so far? Have we gotten any recurring (read: paying) members from MeetUp, or just one-time attendees?
> 
> On Jan 14, 2012 5:04 AM, "David Rorex" <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's $72 for six months... anyone feel like donating a bit extra this month to help cover it? Otherwise i probably will end up paying it all myself. I think its worth the cost. Send paypal to treasurer at acemonstertoys.org, drop cash/check in the treasurer locker, or check the 'paying dues' page on our site for a 'dwolla' donation link
> 
> Thanks! 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Meetup Billing Support" <billingsupport at meetup.com>
> Date: Jan 14, 2012 7:06 AM
> Subject: Your Meetup Organizer Dues expire in 20 days
> To: <drorex at gmail.com>
> 
> Because your credit card is about to expire, or already has
> expired, your Meetup Organizer account will end in 20 days.
> 
> To continue as an Organizer make sure to update your credit
> card information before February 4, 2012!
> 
> Best regards,
> The Team at Meetup HQ
> 
> --
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Sat Jan 14 21:39:01 2012
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigong Billings)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 21:39:01 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Mini lathe
Message-ID: <1D57F32B-1AF2-41AA-96FB-9D987611DED7@openbuddha.com>

We have a mini metal lathe in the laser room on long term loan. We need to get it cleaned, greased and bolted to a table. Is there anyone capable of taking it apart, cleaning it, and greasing the right parts? It is beyond my areas of expertise.

Al

From romanian at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 00:25:57 2012
From: romanian at gmail.com (Stefan Hristu)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 00:25:57 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Mini lathe
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I'm gonna take a look at it soon, now that I'm back. I might get
started before the meeting next week.

Stefan

On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Al Jigong Billings
<albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> We have a mini metal lathe in the laser room on long term loan. We need to get it cleaned, greased and bolted to a table. Is there anyone capable of taking it apart, cleaning it, and greasing the right parts? It is beyond my areas of expertise.
>
> Al
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From myles at tenhand.com  Sun Jan 15 10:19:07 2012
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 10:19:07 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] laser cutter soft stop?
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For posterity, what finally fixed it was Stefan re-downloading the config. Deleting all jobs was a partial fix.

Sent from my mobile

On Jan 14, 2012, at 8:37 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:

> Like with most problems, i just do random stuff until it works again. I think the things most likely to fix soft stop:
> 1. Re-set origin point
> 2. Make sure 'immediate' mode is set
> 3. Delete all stored files in laser
> 4. Re-download design to laser
> 5. Move material &  laser head slightly
> 
> I've never had a 'soft stop' be permanent after doing some of the above. I agree with previous post, soft stop means the laser thinks you are telling him to drive off the side of the bed.
> 
> Try selecting all and then hitting the resize button. Perhaps you have some vector placed off at x=100000 where you cant see it. Occasionally graphics will not import correctly. Trying again, or restarting LaserCut should fix it
> 
> On Jan 14, 2012 5:51 PM, "Stefan Hristu" <romanian at gmail.com> wrote:
> Not to my knowledge. Are you gonna be there in 5-10 min?
> 
> On Jan 14, 2012 5:40 PM, "myles" <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:
> I've done both of those - tried lower left, upper right, etc.  Instantaneous is set. 
> 
> After googleing it looks like sometimes you get this error when the machine config has been updated? Are the perfect machine configs documented somewhere where I could double check them? 
> 
> 
> On Jan 14, 2012, at 5:36 PM, Stefan Hristu wrote:
> 
>> The origin can be used to adjust where the starting point will be. Check the immediate/instantaneous (or something) box if it is not
>> 
>> On Jan 14, 2012 4:52 PM, "myles" <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Soft stop = you and the lasercutter disagree on where the origin is, right? Is there anything else that triggers that?
>> 
>> 
>> I'm wondering if there's a magic checkbox I'm missing.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
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From myles at tenhand.com  Sun Jan 15 11:06:38 2012
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 11:06:38 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Another laser resource
Message-ID: <0809D217-72F2-4E37-9920-B1C5B6D8D02F@tenhand.com>


Lots of clones of the exlas go by many names. Rabbit is at least one. Some folks set up a forum to discuss general problems. 
http://www.chineselasersupportforum.com

From myles at tenhand.com  Mon Jan 16 11:21:10 2012
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:21:10 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Thoughts on the laser
Message-ID: <E20DC015-35A7-4C80-8F88-F89617F26565@tenhand.com>



1) Right now the laser is not healthy. 
I talked to an actual laser scientist, who said that the yellow coating that's no longer on the lens was an anti-reflective coating. According to him the laser without it probably won't permanently damage anything but the lens, but the lens will a) pass less light, and b) heat up more. Which is what we're seeing.  It's at least 30% weaker than at its prime. 

2) The Vent isn't healthy. 
Taping the vents helped the smell upstairs, but you still get a lot in the wood room, and a fair amount upstairs. Particularly when cutting acrylic.  Is there  any reason not to seal the big vent in the wood room with plastic? 
This is the one currently blocked with cardboard. 

3) We're losing the war on dust. 
There's a lot of dust in the cutter room. This implies a) a lot of dust that's down to 2.5microns in size that we don't see, and b) that the vent isn't hacking it.  I notice that my laptop smells like cut acrylic today after using in the cutter room yesterday. 

4) People are cutting bad things. 
I was guilty of this myself,  when I unknowingly tried to cut Formaldehyde soaked plywood.  I have no idea what home depot "acrylic" is really made of, but it probably shouldn't be on the whitelist. 

5) Equipment is drifting to where it shouldn't. 
Ok, it's a hacker space, wrenches go wandering. But WhereTF is the fire extinguisher? The water bottle for spritzing out small fires? 

Suggestions:

0) We need a new lens & a re-install. 

1) We need better filtering or venting.
Has anyone made sure that the cutter itself is sealed & the vent is actually pulling efficiently from the cutter? 
Could we get a bit better performance with different duct connections &etc? Better blower? The current blower looks good, but see complaint #2. 

 I'm going to bring in a HEPA filter. It wont' be up to the task, but might help us live a bit longer & keep the dust on laptops down.  A full sized laser filtering hepa filter is the right answer. How hard are they to find on ebay/diy? 

2) No cutting material without a material safety sheet
Could we group buy from http://www.earthsourcewood.com and tap plastics? They have great stuff, and tend to be cheaper than elsewhere. They just require better planning. How about a stock of 5 sheets of good stuff & you have to email the list when you use it? 

3) Cleanup. 
Removing (some) existing dust & all the attractive looking but actually poisonous and useless bits of wood & plastic in the space. I figure 3 people & an afternoon would do it.  Heck, we could sort out the wood scrap bin as well. 

4) Dusting inside the cutter. 
Anyone have a pile of microfiber they want to get rid of ? 

5) Safety equipment. 
If really there isn't a fire extinguisher, I'll bring in one once I get it refilled this week.  What do we want for laser cutter sized problems? CO2? ABC? 

From robertcook at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 15:14:53 2012
From: robertcook at gmail.com (Robert Cook)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 15:14:53 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Thoughts on the laser
In-Reply-To: <E20DC015-35A7-4C80-8F88-F89617F26565@tenhand.com>
References: <E20DC015-35A7-4C80-8F88-F89617F26565@tenhand.com>
Message-ID: <776C606F-6D09-472B-8D9B-53EA2C87D03F@gmail.com>


On Jan 16, 2012, at 11:21 AM, myles wrote:

> 1) Right now the laser is not healthy. 
> I talked to an actual laser scientist, who said that the yellow coating that's no longer on the lens was an anti-reflective coating. According to him the laser without it probably won't permanently damage anything but the lens, but the lens will a) pass less light, and b) heat up more. Which is what we're seeing.  It's at least 30% weaker than at its prime. 

What removes this coating?  I'm concerned that I may have cleaned the lens incorrectly.  Or it could have been the soot/heat buildup.  I wonder what we can do to ensure the lenses are useful as long as possible.

David mentioned that we have one other lens with the right optical characteristics.  I'm happy to order a couple more for us if David shows me where/how to do it.

> 2) The Vent isn't healthy. 
> Taping the vents helped the smell upstairs, but you still get a lot in the wood room, and a fair amount upstairs. Particularly when cutting acrylic.  Is there  any reason not to seal the big vent in the wood room with plastic? 
> This is the one currently blocked with cardboard. 

At one point in late December, after I turned on the laser cutter and the external pump/blowers, I heard a lot of odd noises, like chips of wood bumping around in the vents.  This doesn't make much sense, but suggests that maybe the vent needs to be cleaned out.

> 
> 3) We're losing the war on dust. 
> There's a lot of dust in the cutter room. This implies a) a lot of dust that's down to 2.5microns in size that we don't see, and b) that the vent isn't hacking it.  I notice that my laptop smells like cut acrylic today after using in the cutter room yesterday. 

When I've cut acrylic, the smell is pretty toxic when I open the cover.  I agree that it's probably not venting very well.

> 4) People are cutting bad things. 
> I was guilty of this myself,  when I unknowingly tried to cut Formaldehyde soaked plywood.  I have no idea what home depot "acrylic" is really made of, but it probably shouldn't be on the whitelist. 
> 
> 5) Equipment is drifting to where it shouldn't. 
> Ok, it's a hacker space, wrenches go wandering. But WhereTF is the fire extinguisher? The water bottle for spritzing out small fires? 

I've thought this myself, particularly given that my office is above part of AMT (the wood shop, actually.)

> Suggestions:
> 
> 0) We need a new lens & a re-install. 
> 
> 1) We need better filtering or venting.
> Has anyone made sure that the cutter itself is sealed & the vent is actually pulling efficiently from the cutter? 
> Could we get a bit better performance with different duct connections &etc? Better blower? The current blower looks good, but see complaint #2. 
> 
> I'm going to bring in a HEPA filter. It wont' be up to the task, but might help us live a bit longer & keep the dust on laptops down.  A full sized laser filtering hepa filter is the right answer. How hard are they to find on ebay/diy? 
> 
> 2) No cutting material without a material safety sheet
> Could we group buy from http://www.earthsourcewood.com and tap plastics? They have great stuff, and tend to be cheaper than elsewhere. They just require better planning. How about a stock of 5 sheets of good stuff & you have to email the list when you use it? 

I've used TAP, but they are pretty expensive.  I've had good experience with OnlineMetals (and plastics): http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?id=181&step=2&top_cat=181 if people want to order from there.  Also, you can use my office to receive anything like that as I'm usually in most days (suite 213, same building as AMT).

> 
> 3) Cleanup. 
> Removing (some) existing dust & all the attractive looking but actually poisonous and useless bits of wood & plastic in the space. I figure 3 people & an afternoon would do it.  Heck, we could sort out the wood scrap bin as well. 
> 
> 4) Dusting inside the cutter. 
> Anyone have a pile of microfiber they want to get rid of ? 
> 
> 5) Safety equipment. 
> If really there isn't a fire extinguisher, I'll bring in one once I get it refilled this week.  What do we want for laser cutter sized problems? CO2? ABC? 
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From drorex at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 16:37:07 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:37:07 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Thoughts on the laser
In-Reply-To: <776C606F-6D09-472B-8D9B-53EA2C87D03F@gmail.com>
References: <E20DC015-35A7-4C80-8F88-F89617F26565@tenhand.com>
	<776C606F-6D09-472B-8D9B-53EA2C87D03F@gmail.com>
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On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Robert Cook <robertcook at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Jan 16, 2012, at 11:21 AM, myles wrote:
>
> 1) Right now the laser is not healthy.
> I talked to an actual laser scientist, who said that the yellow coating
> that's no longer on the lens was an anti-reflective coating. According to
> him the laser without it probably won't permanently damage anything but the
> lens, but the lens will a) pass less light, and b) heat up more. Which is
> what we're seeing.  It's at least 30% weaker than at its prime.
>
>
> What removes this coating?  I'm concerned that I may have cleaned the lens
> incorrectly.  Or it could have been the soot/heat buildup.  I wonder what
> we can do to ensure the lenses are useful as long as possible.
>
> David mentioned that we have one other lens with the right optical
> characteristics.  I'm happy to order a couple more for us if David shows me
> where/how to do it.
>
I assume any lens that is listed as a 'laser focusing lens' or some such,
and has the same focal length and diameter should work in its place. The
focal length is 55mm, don't know the diameter offhand (but easy to
measure). Other focal lengths are also useful, longer ones cut better,
shorter ones engrave better. The one we have now is a good balance between
the two.


>
> 2) The Vent isn't healthy.
> Taping the vents helped the smell upstairs, but you still get a lot in the
> wood room, and a fair amount upstairs. Particularly when cutting acrylic.
>  Is there  any reason not to seal the big vent in the wood room with
> plastic?
> This is the one currently blocked with cardboard.
>
>
> At one point in late December, after I turned on the laser cutter and the
> external pump/blowers, I heard a lot of odd noises, like chips of wood
> bumping around in the vents.  This doesn't make much sense, but suggests
> that maybe the vent needs to be cleaned out.
>
Yeah, we need something on the exhaust vent, i'm thinking like a thin
sponge would be fine, cut to the size of the back of the tray, to stop
large pieces of stuff getting sucked into the fan. What happens is that the
orange exhaust fan is strong enough to suck small pieces of lasered wood /
plastic / etc out of it.

The vent in the wood room should be sucking in, not letting air out, since
it's right below the big fan. Sealing it better wont stop any currently
happening leakage, but it may increase the suction from the laser room.

I believe the problem wont be completely solved until we move the fan to
the ceiling instead of where it currently is, according to someone who
supposedly knows what they're talking about, our vent conduits are meant to
be negatively pressurized, as in the air should be sucked out, not pushed
out as is the current setup.


>
>
> 3) We're losing the war on dust.
> There's a lot of dust in the cutter room. This implies a) a lot of dust
> that's down to 2.5microns in size that we don't see, and b) that the vent
> isn't hacking it.  I notice that my laptop smells like cut acrylic today
> after using in the cutter room yesterday.
>
>
> When I've cut acrylic, the smell is pretty toxic when I open the cover.  I
> agree that it's probably not venting very well.
>
> 4) People are cutting bad things.
> I was guilty of this myself,  when I unknowingly tried to cut Formaldehyde
> soaked plywood.  I have no idea what home depot "acrylic" is really made
> of, but it probably shouldn't be on the whitelist.
>
> 5) Equipment is drifting to where it shouldn't.
> Ok, it's a hacker space, wrenches go wandering. But WhereTF is the fire
> extinguisher? The water bottle for spritzing out small fires?
>
>
> I've thought this myself, particularly given that my office is above part
> of AMT (the wood shop, actually.)
>
> Suggestions:
>
> 0) We need a new lens & a re-install.
>
> We have a spare identical lens, easy to re install


>
> 1) We need better filtering or venting.
> Has anyone made sure that the cutter itself is sealed & the vent is
> actually pulling efficiently from the cutter?
> Could we get a bit better performance with different duct connections
> &etc? Better blower? The current blower looks good, but see complaint #2.
>
> I'm going to bring in a HEPA filter. It wont' be up to the task, but might
> help us live a bit longer & keep the dust on laptops down.  A full sized
> laser filtering hepa filter is the right answer. How hard are they to find
> on ebay/diy?
>
> See above, due to fan being installed downstairs instead of upstairs, it
tends to leak fumes upstairs.


> 2) No cutting material without a material safety sheet
> Could we group buy from http://www.earthsourcewood.com and tap plastics?
> They have great stuff, and tend to be cheaper than elsewhere. They just
> require better planning. How about a stock of 5 sheets of good stuff & you
> have to email the list when you use it?
>
>
> I've used TAP, but they are pretty expensive.  I've had good experience
> with OnlineMetals (and plastics):
> http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?id=181&step=2&top_cat=181 if
> people want to order from there.  Also, you can use my office to receive
> anything like that as I'm usually in most days (suite 213, same building as
> AMT).
>

http://www.estreetplastics.com/Default.asp is a bit cheaper than
onlinemetals, but doesn't have as wide of a selection. Someone mentioned a
local sign supplier where you can buy full sheets of acrylic...I called
them for a quote, and the prices were within 5 or 10% of estreetplastics.
Their only advantage is they'd deliver same day, vs waiting for shipping.
Downside is you have to buy a full sheet (eg 4'x8' or so)


>
>
> 3) Cleanup.
> Removing (some) existing dust & all the attractive looking but actually
> poisonous and useless bits of wood & plastic in the space. I figure 3
> people & an afternoon would do it.  Heck, we could sort out the wood scrap
> bin as well.
>
> 4) Dusting inside the cutter.
> Anyone have a pile of microfiber they want to get rid of ?
>
> 5) Safety equipment.
> If really there isn't a fire extinguisher, I'll bring in one once I get it
> refilled this week.  What do we want for laser cutter sized problems? CO2?
> ABC?
>
> We still don't have one. Current thoughts are CO2 would be better, since
it wont deposit powder over everything if it has to be used.
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From maltman23 at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 16 16:43:23 2012
From: maltman23 at hotmail.com (Mitch Altman)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:43:23 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] 200 more Hackerspace Passports
Message-ID: <SNT102-W3945491C56671313DF633DB8800@phx.gbl>


Hey Folks,

 

I have 200 more Hackerspace Passports!  Anyone want any?  These have vinyl covers, so they're even nicer than the original.

 

I'll need to mail them from my fulfillment center in New Jersey (since they send out orders way better than me!).

Here's the costs:
     $2 for each passport
          plus S&H:
               for shipping within the US:
                    add $2 each for 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 passport
                    add $7 for the entire order for 5 passports or more
               for shipping outside the US (including Canada): 
                    add $4 each for 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 passport
                    add $17 for the entire order for 5 passports or more

 

If you want any, please email me:
     your name
     your address
And PayPal me the correct amount -- account: maltman23 at hotmail.com


 

More info: <https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Passport>


Thanks,
Mitch.

 

  		 	   		  

From tewing at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 00:07:04 2012
From: tewing at gmail.com (Terry Ewing)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 00:07:04 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Best source for SSRs?
Message-ID: <F10075CC-7978-4A0D-93C1-FF024ECD5818@gmail.com>

I have a new sous vide project coming up and I am looking for a cheap SSR to control the AC load.  lightobject.com has this 25 amp SSR for almost $8 plus shipping.  Anyone have a good source for cheap SSRs that work well?

-Terry

From drorex at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 09:15:07 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 09:15:07 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Best source for SSRs?
In-Reply-To: <F10075CC-7978-4A0D-93C1-FF024ECD5818@gmail.com>
References: <F10075CC-7978-4A0D-93C1-FF024ECD5818@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACAQXeLGkf4KWwCVRCF7D4hzRbqaYYnCS_BOMzf8pA=y7bNnYQ@mail.gmail.com>

Unless you really need a SSR, plain old relays tend to be a bit cheaper. Eg
$3.22 for a random 30A one on digikey:
http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/T90N1D12-12/PB104-ND/44904



On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 12:07 AM, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have a new sous vide project coming up and I am looking for a cheap SSR
> to control the AC load.  lightobject.com has this 25 amp SSR for almost
> $8 plus shipping.  Anyone have a good source for cheap SSRs that work well?
>
> -Terry
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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From slick at rebelbase.com  Tue Jan 17 09:30:11 2012
From: slick at rebelbase.com (slick)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 09:30:11 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Best source for SSRs?
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXeLGkf4KWwCVRCF7D4hzRbqaYYnCS_BOMzf8pA=y7bNnYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F10075CC-7978-4A0D-93C1-FF024ECD5818@gmail.com>
	<CACAQXeLGkf4KWwCVRCF7D4hzRbqaYYnCS_BOMzf8pA=y7bNnYQ@mail.gmail.com>
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mechanical relays aren't very good when you have to cycle zillions of times.

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 9:15 AM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
> Unless you really need a SSR, plain old relays tend to be a bit cheaper. Eg
> $3.22 for a random 30A one on digikey:
> http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/T90N1D12-12/PB104-ND/44904
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 12:07 AM, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have a new sous vide project coming up and I am looking for a cheap SSR
>> to control the AC load. ?lightobject.com has this 25 amp SSR for almost $8
>> plus shipping. ?Anyone have a good source for cheap SSRs that work well?
>>
>> -Terry
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>


From mark.garrison at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 10:22:11 2012
From: mark.garrison at gmail.com (Mark Garrison)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 10:22:11 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Best source for SSRs?
In-Reply-To: <CAMmuSouqEKKCzzNdeY9fZg=_WQncLir2GaBirX_pAopwyDf7rQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F10075CC-7978-4A0D-93C1-FF024ECD5818@gmail.com>
	<CACAQXeLGkf4KWwCVRCF7D4hzRbqaYYnCS_BOMzf8pA=y7bNnYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMmuSouqEKKCzzNdeY9fZg=_WQncLir2GaBirX_pAopwyDf7rQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5723B730-B2E3-402C-8A24-F656D0AABAC5@gmail.com>

You need to cycle Plain old AC zillions of times? Maybe you need a TRIAC. I think international rectifier makes some nice ones.

-Mark

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 17, 2012, at 9:30 AM, slick <slick at rebelbase.com> wrote:

> mechanical relays aren't very good when you have to cycle zillions of times.
> 
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 9:15 AM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Unless you really need a SSR, plain old relays tend to be a bit cheaper. Eg
>> $3.22 for a random 30A one on digikey:
>> http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/T90N1D12-12/PB104-ND/44904
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 12:07 AM, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a new sous vide project coming up and I am looking for a cheap SSR
>>> to control the AC load.  lightobject.com has this 25 amp SSR for almost $8
>>> plus shipping.  Anyone have a good source for cheap SSRs that work well?
>>> 
>>> -Terry
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss


From slick at rebelbase.com  Tue Jan 17 10:47:34 2012
From: slick at rebelbase.com (slick)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 10:47:34 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Best source for SSRs?
In-Reply-To: <5723B730-B2E3-402C-8A24-F656D0AABAC5@gmail.com>
References: <F10075CC-7978-4A0D-93C1-FF024ECD5818@gmail.com>
	<CACAQXeLGkf4KWwCVRCF7D4hzRbqaYYnCS_BOMzf8pA=y7bNnYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMmuSouqEKKCzzNdeY9fZg=_WQncLir2GaBirX_pAopwyDf7rQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5723B730-B2E3-402C-8A24-F656D0AABAC5@gmail.com>
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In my sous vide cooker I set my PID loop interval thingy to ten times a second.

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Mark Garrison <mark.garrison at gmail.com> wrote:
> You need to cycle Plain old AC zillions of times? Maybe you need a TRIAC. I think international rectifier makes some nice ones.
>
> -Mark
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 17, 2012, at 9:30 AM, slick <slick at rebelbase.com> wrote:
>
>> mechanical relays aren't very good when you have to cycle zillions of times.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 9:15 AM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Unless you really need a SSR, plain old relays tend to be a bit cheaper. Eg
>>> $3.22 for a random 30A one on digikey:
>>> http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/T90N1D12-12/PB104-ND/44904
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 12:07 AM, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have a new sous vide project coming up and I am looking for a cheap SSR
>>>> to control the AC load. ?lightobject.com has this 25 amp SSR for almost $8
>>>> plus shipping. ?Anyone have a good source for cheap SSRs that work well?
>>>>
>>>> -Terry
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Discuss mailing list
>>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss


From hephaestus at antipunk.net  Tue Jan 17 11:08:42 2012
From: hephaestus at antipunk.net (Hephaestus)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 11:08:42 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Best source for SSRs?
In-Reply-To: <CAMmuSosRyEOzHo_JS6DXe637fbawRT1LipWy-iPwzm-4qgdTQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F10075CC-7978-4A0D-93C1-FF024ECD5818@gmail.com>
	<CACAQXeLGkf4KWwCVRCF7D4hzRbqaYYnCS_BOMzf8pA=y7bNnYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMmuSouqEKKCzzNdeY9fZg=_WQncLir2GaBirX_pAopwyDf7rQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5723B730-B2E3-402C-8A24-F656D0AABAC5@gmail.com>
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Tried to send this earlier, but my phone uses the wrong 'From:'
address and it's now pending moderator review (hint, you can nuke that
one =):

Mechanical relays may not be good for a zillion actuations, but
they're good enough for the lifetime of your hacked together cooker...
it would probably take over a decade of hard constant use before you
had a problem with a mechanical relay, and then you could just replace
it with a trip to autozone or radio shack.

No reason to delay your project by insisting it be overengineered.

Also, in reply to the 'ten times a second' interval, you might want to
rethink that. Consider the mass you're heating compared to the
efficiency of the delivery system. That's like controlling the
temperature of a swimming pool by alternately adding drops of boiling
or icy water. In the long run, it will work, but it's hardly the most
efficient method.

--
Heph

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:47 AM, slick <slick at rebelbase.com> wrote:
> In my sous vide cooker I set my PID loop interval thingy to ten times a second.
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Mark Garrison <mark.garrison at gmail.com> wrote:
>> You need to cycle Plain old AC zillions of times? Maybe you need a TRIAC. I think international rectifier makes some nice ones.
>>
>> -Mark
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 17, 2012, at 9:30 AM, slick <slick at rebelbase.com> wrote:
>>
>>> mechanical relays aren't very good when you have to cycle zillions of times.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 9:15 AM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Unless you really need a SSR, plain old relays tend to be a bit cheaper. Eg
>>>> $3.22 for a random 30A one on digikey:
>>>> http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/T90N1D12-12/PB104-ND/44904
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 12:07 AM, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a new sous vide project coming up and I am looking for a cheap SSR
>>>>> to control the AC load. ?lightobject.com has this 25 amp SSR for almost $8
>>>>> plus shipping. ?Anyone have a good source for cheap SSRs that work well?
>>>>>
>>>>> -Terry
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Discuss mailing list
>>>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Discuss mailing list
>>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
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From tewing at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 12:42:27 2012
From: tewing at gmail.com (Terry Ewing)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:42:27 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Best source for SSRs?
In-Reply-To: <CABZdcAm-hY5D8d+9QoNteDPwUWpz4gb142EVib_axscD5cFDvw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F10075CC-7978-4A0D-93C1-FF024ECD5818@gmail.com>
	<CACAQXeLGkf4KWwCVRCF7D4hzRbqaYYnCS_BOMzf8pA=y7bNnYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMmuSouqEKKCzzNdeY9fZg=_WQncLir2GaBirX_pAopwyDf7rQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5723B730-B2E3-402C-8A24-F656D0AABAC5@gmail.com>
	<CAMmuSosRyEOzHo_JS6DXe637fbawRT1LipWy-iPwzm-4qgdTQA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <B91EEC20-A517-4624-BB99-FE6100F26586@gmail.com>

Aaron can confirm how loud and unfriendly a mechanical relay is when running in the kitchen overnight.  A triac would work well but it's easier for me to get an SSR because it's ready to be attached to a heat sink and has screw terminals already prepared for heavy gauge wiring.  

I've already done the research into the switching and I'd prefer a nice reliable SSR.  If anyone has purchased SSRs before and knows where I can get approximately 10 reasonable quality 25amp SSRs, please post to the list.  I'm trying to avoid ebay sellers because I'm hoping to find a reliable source I can order from in the future.  Lightobject in Sacramento has them but I don't like the price.

-Terry

On Jan 17, 2012, at 11:08 AM, Hephaestus wrote:

> Tried to send this earlier, but my phone uses the wrong 'From:'
> address and it's now pending moderator review (hint, you can nuke that
> one =):
> 
> Mechanical relays may not be good for a zillion actuations, but
> they're good enough for the lifetime of your hacked together cooker...
> it would probably take over a decade of hard constant use before you
> had a problem with a mechanical relay, and then you could just replace
> it with a trip to autozone or radio shack.
> 
> No reason to delay your project by insisting it be overengineered.
> 
> Also, in reply to the 'ten times a second' interval, you might want to
> rethink that. Consider the mass you're heating compared to the
> efficiency of the delivery system. That's like controlling the
> temperature of a swimming pool by alternately adding drops of boiling
> or icy water. In the long run, it will work, but it's hardly the most
> efficient method.
> 
> --
> Heph
> 
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:47 AM, slick <slick at rebelbase.com> wrote:
>> In my sous vide cooker I set my PID loop interval thingy to ten times a second.
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Mark Garrison <mark.garrison at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> You need to cycle Plain old AC zillions of times? Maybe you need a TRIAC. I think international rectifier makes some nice ones.
>>> 
>>> -Mark
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jan 17, 2012, at 9:30 AM, slick <slick at rebelbase.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> mechanical relays aren't very good when you have to cycle zillions of times.
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 9:15 AM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Unless you really need a SSR, plain old relays tend to be a bit cheaper. Eg
>>>>> $3.22 for a random 30A one on digikey:
>>>>> http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/T90N1D12-12/PB104-ND/44904
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 12:07 AM, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have a new sous vide project coming up and I am looking for a cheap SSR
>>>>>> to control the AC load.  lightobject.com has this 25 amp SSR for almost $8
>>>>>> plus shipping.  Anyone have a good source for cheap SSRs that work well?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Terry
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Discuss mailing list
>>>>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>>>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> 
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From slick at rebelbase.com  Tue Jan 17 12:43:30 2012
From: slick at rebelbase.com (slick)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:43:30 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Best source for SSRs?
In-Reply-To: <CABZdcAm-hY5D8d+9QoNteDPwUWpz4gb142EVib_axscD5cFDvw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F10075CC-7978-4A0D-93C1-FF024ECD5818@gmail.com>
	<CACAQXeLGkf4KWwCVRCF7D4hzRbqaYYnCS_BOMzf8pA=y7bNnYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMmuSouqEKKCzzNdeY9fZg=_WQncLir2GaBirX_pAopwyDf7rQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Actually It works pretty well, sort of like a low frequency PWM.
Since the heating element isn't heated to max temp instantly, it works
like PWM dimming an LED.  With sous vide keeping the temp stable
within 1 degree yields the best results.  Longer on/off cycles don't
produce as stable a temperature profile.

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Hephaestus <hephaestus at antipunk.net> wrote:
> Also, in reply to the 'ten times a second' interval, you might want to
> rethink that. Consider the mass you're heating compared to the
> efficiency of the delivery system. That's like controlling the
> temperature of a swimming pool by alternately adding drops of boiling
> or icy water. In the long run, it will work, but it's hardly the most
> efficient method.


From myles at tenhand.com  Tue Jan 17 14:39:41 2012
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 14:39:41 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] tplink wifi routers from china have arrived
In-Reply-To: <CAM-dY3FFZR3iXyWG7SucOg17SRgaB7EopN1iAMywdNwZKb0ptA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACAQXeJc1+w66H5JjkaYKi8s4o8aykn0csbSkoVz3Tr-gLXifQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <C1D3DE5E-575A-4E13-9EFA-2286C9EB3160@tenhand.com>

Updated the wiki with info on how to get arduino data displayed via CGI on the tplink

http://wiki.acemonstertoys.org/index.php?title=Tp-link_router&action=submit#Interfacing_with_Arduino

Feel free to fix the more embarrassing bits of my shell script fu


On Jan 7, 2012, at 1:37 PM, interrupt80h at gmail.com wrote:

> I've got cross-compiling working for linux+uClibc. Directions posted
> on the wiki: http://wiki.acemonstertoys.org/Tp-link_router#Cross-compiling
> 
> I've also posted notes on poking the blue LED device and restoring
> access if you lock yourself out of OpenWRT.



From drorex at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 16:52:39 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 16:52:39 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] tplink wifi routers from china have arrived
In-Reply-To: <C1D3DE5E-575A-4E13-9EFA-2286C9EB3160@tenhand.com>
References: <CACAQXeJc1+w66H5JjkaYKi8s4o8aykn0csbSkoVz3Tr-gLXifQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<0FECE9C4-4580-45FD-B3F6-61E5DC81306A@tenhand.com>
	<CAM-dY3G14wrOjUmryf4dTAnem=vRircbHMvVWmP5W+_beFWubg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKsYZbN_uN_03+bKV=AhCD4QN3OJv3+aMUuzwHD+BPmB2=x_DA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAM-dY3FFZR3iXyWG7SucOg17SRgaB7EopN1iAMywdNwZKb0ptA@mail.gmail.com>
	<C1D3DE5E-575A-4E13-9EFA-2286C9EB3160@tenhand.com>
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Is this for a connection via USB or a connection via the on board serial
port?

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:39 PM, myles <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:

> Updated the wiki with info on how to get arduino data displayed via CGI on
> the tplink
>
>
> http://wiki.acemonstertoys.org/index.php?title=Tp-link_router&action=submit#Interfacing_with_Arduino
>
> Feel free to fix the more embarrassing bits of my shell script fu
>
>
> On Jan 7, 2012, at 1:37 PM, interrupt80h at gmail.com wrote:
>
> > I've got cross-compiling working for linux+uClibc. Directions posted
> > on the wiki:
> http://wiki.acemonstertoys.org/Tp-link_router#Cross-compiling
> >
> > I've also posted notes on poking the blue LED device and restoring
> > access if you lock yourself out of OpenWRT.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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From myles at tenhand.com  Tue Jan 17 18:19:23 2012
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:19:23 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] tplink wifi routers from china have arrived
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXeLVvQL=JvnL48WhUeMfDEzpFumMNjgdNEKdAj7nx1djaA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACAQXeJc1+w66H5JjkaYKi8s4o8aykn0csbSkoVz3Tr-gLXifQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<0FECE9C4-4580-45FD-B3F6-61E5DC81306A@tenhand.com>
	<CAM-dY3G14wrOjUmryf4dTAnem=vRircbHMvVWmP5W+_beFWubg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <F02B753D-4E0F-4DD9-A6DF-D9FC82608DA0@tenhand.com>

USB via a silicon labs USB TTL adapter I had lying around. 

I want to try direct serial, but I  haven't figured out if the TPlink console is 3.3 or 5 volts. I've used a 3.3 volt FTDI cable to talk to the TPlink, but I only have 5 volt arduinos. Easy to check, but I haven't got around to it. 
 

On Jan 17, 2012, at 4:52 PM, David Rorex wrote:

> Is this for a connection via USB or a connection via the on board serial port?
> 
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:39 PM, myles <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:
> Updated the wiki with info on how to get arduino data displayed via CGI on the tplink
> 
> http://wiki.acemonstertoys.org/index.php?title=Tp-link_router&action=submit#Interfacing_with_Arduino
> 
> Feel free to fix the more embarrassing bits of my shell script fu

On Jan 17, 2012, at 4:52 PM, David Rorex wrote:

> Is this for a connection via USB or a connection via the on board serial port?
> 
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:39 PM, myles <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:
> Updated the wiki with info on how to get arduino data displayed via CGI on the tplink
> 
> http://wiki.acemonstertoys.org/index.php?title=Tp-link_router&action=submit#Interfacing_with_Arduino
> 
> Feel free to fix the more embarrassing bits of my shell script fu
> 
> 
> On Jan 7, 2012, at 1:37 PM, interrupt80h at gmail.com wrote:
> 
> > I've got cross-compiling working for linux+uClibc. Directions posted
> > on the wiki: http://wiki.acemonstertoys.org/Tp-link_router#Cross-compiling
> >
> > I've also posted notes on poking the blue LED device and restoring
> > access if you lock yourself out of OpenWRT.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
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From drorex at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 08:46:06 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 08:46:06 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] AMT goes to exploratorium
In-Reply-To: <CAPdpSwxZW2d_BOiQtNrhUhTCR-M1jfDYV19B_7Hz4+1nUfF4qw@mail.gmail.com>
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They need a list of names for the guest list. Who else volunteered besides
Stefan? I assume Robbie is no longer volunteering.

On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Stefan Hristu <romanian at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yea, I am interested as well in doing this. We'll talk to folks when I'm
> back (aka. this weekend)
>  On Jan 12, 2012 9:49 AM, "Robbie Trencheny" <me at robbiet.us> wrote:
>
>> As I will be running the meeting tonight, I will bring it up AND I will
>> volunteer! This looks like an amazing opportunity!
>> Robbie Trencheny (@robbie <http://twitter.com/robbie>)
>> Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
>> 925-884-3728
>> robbie.io
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:42 AM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> See attached email, but exploratorium has offered us a booth for 4 hours
>>> on a saturday. Can some people please volunteer to come? I can probably go,
>>> but having 1 or 2 other people would be ideal so im not all alone. On the
>>> plus side you get into the exploratorium for free which has cool stuffs in
>>> it. Whoever is at the meeting tonight, pease bring it up and force some
>>> people to volunteer, thanks!
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: "Karen Wilkinson" <kwilkinson at exploratorium.edu>
>>> Date: Jan 9, 2012 8:34 PM
>>> Subject: [AMT Board] OpenMake at the Exploratorium
>>> To: <info at acemonstertoys.org>
>>>
>>> My name is Karen Wilkinson and I work at the Exploratorium.  I'm
>>> organizing an event here at the museum called Open MAKE on Saturday,
>>> January 21st from 10-2pm.
>>>
>>> I'm wondering if any of your members have MakerBot projects or project
>>> hacks that relate to "Toys" that they'd like to show off during the event.
>>>  We'd set up an area for to highlight 'Ace Monster Toys,' just let us know
>>> what types of things you'd like to bring.
>>>
>>> Open MAKE events are intended to get young people interested in Making
>>> and to introduce Exploratorium visitors to expert Makers in the Bay Area.
>>> The day is an informal and fun way to connect with the MAKE community and
>>> museum go-ers.  The thing that will connect all of the activities happening
>>> that day (very loosely) is the use of "toys" as inspiration.
>>>
>>> Let me know if you'd be interested in something like this.  I can
>>> follow-up with more details and phone call if you'd prefer.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> -Karen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Karen Wilkinson | *Tinkering Studio **Director
>>> *3601 Lyon St., San Francisco, CA 94123-1099*
>>> *
>>> ph  415.674.2878
>>> fax 415.561.0370
>>> Tinkering Studio <http://tinkering.exploratorium.edu/> @ the
>>> Exploratorium <http://www.exploratorium.edu/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From onno at gmx.net  Wed Jan 18 09:39:47 2012
From: onno at gmx.net (Onno Kortmann)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 09:39:47 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] LAZER now clean
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXeL0EawA3V=zBYmHpxRc8P2TFEEQWXsKnyn5qpwiMSH0Cw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C96AD2E2-1DDF-4785-92DA-A02D00D4F9CB@gmail.com>
	<CABZdcAn+7GJ-K60Mr+WudyOPvrR0swXFTWABxPj3WfdZUgp79Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<ABE154CB-2E17-4E43-97C3-A25F5C3184E6@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20120118093947.7a1b6359.onno@gmx.net>

Hi,
> The combination of the exhaust fan and the air assist should keep most of
> the smoke out of the lens. I wonder if either of those were not on during
> some cutting?
Mark and I noticed once a while ago (few months) that the blue air assist pump got disconnected. We got flames for a tiny moment but stopped immediately - we're certainly not responsible for any of the big crust of residue on the cutting head.

Its plug was stuck only halfway into the power strip and we plugged it back in. It was like that before we wanted to start cutting. Maybe it should be taped to the strip so that it cannot fall out again? Or maybe we should add some kind of interlock regarding this to the cutter?
We both thought, though, that there was an obvious problem to be fixed before we can start cutting. Maybe someone else wasn't that careful.

Cheers,

Onno


From peter at spiralsix.com  Wed Jan 18 18:13:45 2012
From: peter at spiralsix.com (Peter Gardner)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:13:45 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Arduino Meet-Up?
Message-ID: <CADVf8UERqKezdqz+_Uc++Gjq-12fzvZuTs5dsG9A3FDBoDRcaw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Monsters,

I wanted to ask if the Arudino meet-ups are open to non-members and since
I'm asking to confirm that there is one scheduled for tonight.

Thanks,
Peter
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From drorex at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 18:23:39 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:23:39 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Arduino Meet-Up?
In-Reply-To: <CADVf8UERqKezdqz+_Uc++Gjq-12fzvZuTs5dsG9A3FDBoDRcaw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADVf8UERqKezdqz+_Uc++Gjq-12fzvZuTs5dsG9A3FDBoDRcaw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACAQXeJxFRrBkc61CsurTKk-gcAxpULbpvSM4m51QnCJDCKVsQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, anything posted / scheduled on our website is open to non-members,
(unless it explicitly says otherwise, but I don't think there ever have
been any). Feel free to stop by!

On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Peter Gardner <peter at spiralsix.com> wrote:

>
> Hello Monsters,
>
> I wanted to ask if the Arudino meet-ups are open to non-members and since
> I'm asking to confirm that there is one scheduled for tonight.
>
> Thanks,
> Peter
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
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From tewing at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 19:03:47 2012
From: tewing at gmail.com (Terry Ewing)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 19:03:47 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Anyone need an 8-port switch?
Message-ID: <39B7807C-66CE-4200-804B-76AF8B0AB596@gmail.com>

I have a couple of these linksys 8 port switches I need to get rid of.  Anyone want?  They're pretty good as far as unmanaged switches go.  

http://www.buy.com/pr/product.aspx?sku=10343606&sellerid=20931459
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From me at robbiet.us  Wed Jan 18 21:06:50 2012
From: me at robbiet.us (Robbie Trencheny)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:06:50 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Anyone need an 8-port switch?
In-Reply-To: <39B7807C-66CE-4200-804B-76AF8B0AB596@gmail.com>
References: <39B7807C-66CE-4200-804B-76AF8B0AB596@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPs-5xUtmhuHDfA2yiyZqc1z6yoKxfvYk+d8Y2GsNQk9OTEnFQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yes please I would love to take them all if no one else wants them! I need
them for the office and home badly and can't afford to buy 8 ports right
now.

Robbie Trencheny (@robbie <http://twitter.com/robbie>)
Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
925-884-3728
robbie.io



On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Terry Ewing <tewing at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have a couple of these linksys 8 port switches I need to get rid of.
>  Anyone want?  They're pretty good as far as unmanaged switches go.
>
> http://www.buy.com/pr/product.aspx?sku=10343606&sellerid=20931459
>
> _______________________________________________
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Thu Jan 19 15:33:13 2012
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigong Billings)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:33:13 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Upcoming Classes and Workshops
Message-ID: <4F18A839.80206@openbuddha.com>

There have been a number of discussions about upcoming classes and
workshops but I don't think any of them have been scheduled.

Myles, when are you going to run your Ham radio technician license cram?

Is anyone else willing to run a class in the next month?

Al


From travis+ml-acemonstertoys at subspacefield.org  Thu Jan 19 17:16:16 2012
From: travis+ml-acemonstertoys at subspacefield.org (travis+ml-acemonstertoys at subspacefield.org)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 17:16:16 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] wanted: book scanner service
Message-ID: <20120120011615.GA8246@subspacefield.org>

I'm considering moving again.

I don't want to move all my books.

I want electronic copies of some of them.

Does anyone know of anyone who will scan books for me?

I am willing to pay for it if necessary.

Non-destructive is nice, since some books I'd like to keep for easy
reference, but destructive is okay for most of them, and in a pinch,
all.

Thank you.
-- 
http://www.subspacefield.org/~travis/ | "Did you know that the people who
are usually the strongest are usually also the most sensitive?"
If you are a spammer, please email john at subspacefield.org to get blacklisted.
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From idris.raja at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 20:44:08 2012
From: idris.raja at gmail.com (Idris Raja)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:44:08 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Upcoming Classes and Workshops
In-Reply-To: <4F18A839.80206@openbuddha.com>
References: <4F18A839.80206@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <CAAHOP_8zXgRRuJqNPtdxP9P=hvsjkherKYs3t++h6wxOpPYVpg@mail.gmail.com>

Is anyone planning on taking any of the free online Stanford classes
starting this Monday?

Here's a list of the classes: http://www.class-central.com/

I'm planning on taking Crypto, NLP, and Design and Analysis of Algos (yes,
I have a lot of free time right now) and could lead a weekly study group on
any of those classes if people are interested and/or as a way to get more
people to the space.

I took Machine Learning and most of AI the first time they offered the
classes and they were pretty awesome, especially considering the price.

Idris

On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Al Jigong Billings
<albill at openbuddha.com>wrote:

> There have been a number of discussions about upcoming classes and
> workshops but I don't think any of them have been scheduled.
>
> Myles, when are you going to run your Ham radio technician license cram?
>
> Is anyone else willing to run a class in the next month?
>
> Al
> _______________________________________________
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Thu Jan 19 20:56:41 2012
From: albill at openbuddha.com (albill at openbuddha.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:56:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AMTD] Upcoming Classes and Workshops
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From romanian at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 21:02:09 2012
From: romanian at gmail.com (Stefan Hristu)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:02:09 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Upcoming Classes and Workshops
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I did the machine learning class last dec and signed up for quite a few
others.

I would be more than happy to host any at AMT if there is interest!

Stefan
On Jan 19, 2012 8:56 PM, "albill at openbuddha.com" <albill at openbuddha.com>
wrote:

> I am taking the class on model thinking at
> http://www.modelthinker-cclass.org.
>
>
> -------- Original message -------- Subject: Re: [AMTD] Upcoming Classes
> and Workshops From: Idris Raja ** To: discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.orgCC:
>
> Is anyone planning on taking any of the free online Stanford classes
> starting this Monday?
>
> Here's a list of the classes: http://www.class-central.com/
>
> I'm planning on taking Crypto, NLP, and Design and Analysis of Algos (yes,
> I have a lot of free time right now) and could lead a weekly study group on
> any of those classes if people are interested and/or as a way to get more
> people to the space.
>
> I took Machine Learning and most of AI the first time they offered the
> classes and they were pretty awesome, especially considering the price.
>
> Idris
>
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Al Jigong Billings <albill at openbuddha.com
> > wrote:
>
>> There have been a number of discussions about upcoming classes and
>> workshops but I don't think any of them have been scheduled.
>>
>> Myles, when are you going to run your Ham radio technician license cram?
>>
>> Is anyone else willing to run a class in the next month?
>>
>> Al
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From maltman23 at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 20 01:20:34 2012
From: maltman23 at hotmail.com (Mitch Altman)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 01:20:34 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] 65 remaining Hackerspace Passports
Message-ID: <SNT102-W258FA80F062835A5EFA9CBB8870@phx.gbl>


I have 65 Hackerspace Passports remaining!  Anyone want any?  These have vinyl covers, so they're even nicer than the original.

 

I'll need to mail them from my fulfillment center in New Jersey (since they send out orders way better than me!).

 

Here's the costs:
     $2 for each passport
          plus S&H:
               for shipping within the US:
                    add $2 each for 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 passport
                    add $7 for the entire order for 5 passports or more
               for shipping outside the US (including Canada): 
                    add $4 each for 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 passport
                    add $17 for the entire order for 5 passports or more

 

If you want any, please email me:
     your name
     your address
And PayPal me the correct amount -- account: maltman23 at hotmail.com

 


More info: <https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Passport>

 

 

Thanks,

Mitch.

  		 	   		  

From default at deadtrout.com  Fri Jan 20 01:24:59 2012
From: default at deadtrout.com (Terry Ewing)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 01:24:59 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] 65 remaining Hackerspace Passports
In-Reply-To: <SNT102-W258FA80F062835A5EFA9CBB8870@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT102-W258FA80F062835A5EFA9CBB8870@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <D18CA7FA-9527-4C2A-A1E9-4F40969D8537@deadtrout.com>

Can i buy one from you with cash at either Noisebridge or AMT in the east bay?

--Terry

On Jan 20, 2012, at 1:20 AM, Mitch Altman <maltman23 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> 
> I have 65 Hackerspace Passports remaining!  Anyone want any?  These have vinyl covers, so they're even nicer than the original.
> 
> 
> 
> I'll need to mail them from my fulfillment center in New Jersey (since they send out orders way better than me!).
> 
> 
> 
> Here's the costs:
>     $2 for each passport
>          plus S&H:
>               for shipping within the US:
>                    add $2 each for 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 passport
>                    add $7 for the entire order for 5 passports or more
>               for shipping outside the US (including Canada): 
>                    add $4 each for 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 passport
>                    add $17 for the entire order for 5 passports or more
> 
> 
> 
> If you want any, please email me:
>     your name
>     your address
> And PayPal me the correct amount -- account: maltman23 at hotmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> More info: <https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Passport>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mitch.
> 
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From robertcook at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 10:45:24 2012
From: robertcook at gmail.com (Robert Cook)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 10:45:24 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Thoughts on the laser
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXeKpxZrr5gMA0eMoOiQ_RQgVOXf7VACjvTy+65CM=4CXXw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E20DC015-35A7-4C80-8F88-F89617F26565@tenhand.com>
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So, David, if you or anyone else hasn't had a chance to put a new lens in the laser cutter, I'm happy to if you let me know where the lenses can be found (and how to tell them apart.)

R

On Jan 16, 2012, at 4:37 PM, David Rorex wrote:

> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Robert Cook <robertcook at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Jan 16, 2012, at 11:21 AM, myles wrote:
> 
>> 1) Right now the laser is not healthy. 
>> I talked to an actual laser scientist, who said that the yellow coating that's no longer on the lens was an anti-reflective coating. According to him the laser without it probably won't permanently damage anything but the lens, but the lens will a) pass less light, and b) heat up more. Which is what we're seeing.  It's at least 30% weaker than at its prime. 
> 
> What removes this coating?  I'm concerned that I may have cleaned the lens incorrectly.  Or it could have been the soot/heat buildup.  I wonder what we can do to ensure the lenses are useful as long as possible.
> 
> David mentioned that we have one other lens with the right optical characteristics.  I'm happy to order a couple more for us if David shows me where/how to do it.
> I assume any lens that is listed as a 'laser focusing lens' or some such, and has the same focal length and diameter should work in its place. The focal length is 55mm, don't know the diameter offhand (but easy to measure). Other focal lengths are also useful, longer ones cut better, shorter ones engrave better. The one we have now is a good balance between the two.
>  
> 
>> 2) The Vent isn't healthy. 
>> Taping the vents helped the smell upstairs, but you still get a lot in the wood room, and a fair amount upstairs. Particularly when cutting acrylic.  Is there  any reason not to seal the big vent in the wood room with plastic? 
>> This is the one currently blocked with cardboard. 
> 
> At one point in late December, after I turned on the laser cutter and the external pump/blowers, I heard a lot of odd noises, like chips of wood bumping around in the vents.  This doesn't make much sense, but suggests that maybe the vent needs to be cleaned out.
> Yeah, we need something on the exhaust vent, i'm thinking like a thin sponge would be fine, cut to the size of the back of the tray, to stop large pieces of stuff getting sucked into the fan. What happens is that the orange exhaust fan is strong enough to suck small pieces of lasered wood / plastic / etc out of it.
> 
> The vent in the wood room should be sucking in, not letting air out, since it's right below the big fan. Sealing it better wont stop any currently happening leakage, but it may increase the suction from the laser room.
> 
> I believe the problem wont be completely solved until we move the fan to the ceiling instead of where it currently is, according to someone who supposedly knows what they're talking about, our vent conduits are meant to be negatively pressurized, as in the air should be sucked out, not pushed out as is the current setup.
>  
> 
>> 
>> 3) We're losing the war on dust. 
>> There's a lot of dust in the cutter room. This implies a) a lot of dust that's down to 2.5microns in size that we don't see, and b) that the vent isn't hacking it.  I notice that my laptop smells like cut acrylic today after using in the cutter room yesterday. 
> 
> When I've cut acrylic, the smell is pretty toxic when I open the cover.  I agree that it's probably not venting very well.
> 
>> 4) People are cutting bad things. 
>> I was guilty of this myself,  when I unknowingly tried to cut Formaldehyde soaked plywood.  I have no idea what home depot "acrylic" is really made of, but it probably shouldn't be on the whitelist. 
>> 
>> 5) Equipment is drifting to where it shouldn't. 
>> Ok, it's a hacker space, wrenches go wandering. But WhereTF is the fire extinguisher? The water bottle for spritzing out small fires? 
> 
> I've thought this myself, particularly given that my office is above part of AMT (the wood shop, actually.)
> 
>> Suggestions:
>> 
>> 0) We need a new lens & a re-install. 
> 
> We have a spare identical lens, easy to re install
>  
>> 
>> 1) We need better filtering or venting.
>> Has anyone made sure that the cutter itself is sealed & the vent is actually pulling efficiently from the cutter? 
>> Could we get a bit better performance with different duct connections &etc? Better blower? The current blower looks good, but see complaint #2. 
>> 
>> I'm going to bring in a HEPA filter. It wont' be up to the task, but might help us live a bit longer & keep the dust on laptops down.  A full sized laser filtering hepa filter is the right answer. How hard are they to find on ebay/diy? 
>> 
> 
> See above, due to fan being installed downstairs instead of upstairs, it tends to leak fumes upstairs.
>  
>> 2) No cutting material without a material safety sheet
>> Could we group buy from http://www.earthsourcewood.com and tap plastics? They have great stuff, and tend to be cheaper than elsewhere. They just require better planning. How about a stock of 5 sheets of good stuff & you have to email the list when you use it? 
> 
> I've used TAP, but they are pretty expensive.  I've had good experience with OnlineMetals (and plastics): http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?id=181&step=2&top_cat=181 if people want to order from there.  Also, you can use my office to receive anything like that as I'm usually in most days (suite 213, same building as AMT).
> 
> http://www.estreetplastics.com/Default.asp is a bit cheaper than onlinemetals, but doesn't have as wide of a selection. Someone mentioned a local sign supplier where you can buy full sheets of acrylic...I called them for a quote, and the prices were within 5 or 10% of estreetplastics. Their only advantage is they'd deliver same day, vs waiting for shipping. Downside is you have to buy a full sheet (eg 4'x8' or so)
>  
> 
>> 
>> 3) Cleanup. 
>> Removing (some) existing dust & all the attractive looking but actually poisonous and useless bits of wood & plastic in the space. I figure 3 people & an afternoon would do it.  Heck, we could sort out the wood scrap bin as well. 
>> 
>> 4) Dusting inside the cutter. 
>> Anyone have a pile of microfiber they want to get rid of ? 
>> 
>> 5) Safety equipment. 
>> If really there isn't a fire extinguisher, I'll bring in one once I get it refilled this week.  What do we want for laser cutter sized problems? CO2? ABC? 
> 
> We still don't have one. Current thoughts are CO2 would be better, since it wont deposit powder over everything if it has to be used.
> 
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From drorex at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 10:49:24 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 10:49:24 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Thoughts on the laser
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Should be in the toolbox thats somewhere near the laser cutter (also holds
misc laser parts like the 'key' to open the side panels and the 'lens
removal tool' aka a thin metal ruler) . Dont know if they are labeled or
not, worst case just compare it to the old lens, one should be the same and
one should be different.
On Jan 20, 2012 10:45 AM, "Robert Cook" <robertcook at gmail.com> wrote:

> So, David, if you or anyone else hasn't had a chance to put a new lens in
> the laser cutter, I'm happy to if you let me know where the lenses can be
> found (and how to tell them apart.)
>
> R
>
> On Jan 16, 2012, at 4:37 PM, David Rorex wrote:
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Robert Cook <robertcook at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jan 16, 2012, at 11:21 AM, myles wrote:
>>
>> 1) Right now the laser is not healthy.
>> I talked to an actual laser scientist, who said that the yellow coating
>> that's no longer on the lens was an anti-reflective coating. According to
>> him the laser without it probably won't permanently damage anything but the
>> lens, but the lens will a) pass less light, and b) heat up more. Which is
>> what we're seeing.  It's at least 30% weaker than at its prime.
>>
>>
>> What removes this coating?  I'm concerned that I may have cleaned the
>> lens incorrectly.  Or it could have been the soot/heat buildup.  I wonder
>> what we can do to ensure the lenses are useful as long as possible.
>>
>> David mentioned that we have one other lens with the right optical
>> characteristics.  I'm happy to order a couple more for us if David shows me
>> where/how to do it.
>>
> I assume any lens that is listed as a 'laser focusing lens' or some such,
> and has the same focal length and diameter should work in its place. The
> focal length is 55mm, don't know the diameter offhand (but easy to
> measure). Other focal lengths are also useful, longer ones cut better,
> shorter ones engrave better. The one we have now is a good balance between
> the two.
>
>
>>
>> 2) The Vent isn't healthy.
>> Taping the vents helped the smell upstairs, but you still get a lot in
>> the wood room, and a fair amount upstairs. Particularly when cutting
>> acrylic.  Is there  any reason not to seal the big vent in the wood room
>> with plastic?
>> This is the one currently blocked with cardboard.
>>
>>
>> At one point in late December, after I turned on the laser cutter and the
>> external pump/blowers, I heard a lot of odd noises, like chips of wood
>> bumping around in the vents.  This doesn't make much sense, but suggests
>> that maybe the vent needs to be cleaned out.
>>
> Yeah, we need something on the exhaust vent, i'm thinking like a thin
> sponge would be fine, cut to the size of the back of the tray, to stop
> large pieces of stuff getting sucked into the fan. What happens is that the
> orange exhaust fan is strong enough to suck small pieces of lasered wood /
> plastic / etc out of it.
>
> The vent in the wood room should be sucking in, not letting air out, since
> it's right below the big fan. Sealing it better wont stop any currently
> happening leakage, but it may increase the suction from the laser room.
>
> I believe the problem wont be completely solved until we move the fan to
> the ceiling instead of where it currently is, according to someone who
> supposedly knows what they're talking about, our vent conduits are meant to
> be negatively pressurized, as in the air should be sucked out, not pushed
> out as is the current setup.
>
>
>>
>>
>> 3) We're losing the war on dust.
>> There's a lot of dust in the cutter room. This implies a) a lot of dust
>> that's down to 2.5microns in size that we don't see, and b) that the vent
>> isn't hacking it.  I notice that my laptop smells like cut acrylic today
>> after using in the cutter room yesterday.
>>
>>
>> When I've cut acrylic, the smell is pretty toxic when I open the cover.
>>  I agree that it's probably not venting very well.
>>
>> 4) People are cutting bad things.
>> I was guilty of this myself,  when I unknowingly tried to cut
>> Formaldehyde soaked plywood.  I have no idea what home depot "acrylic" is
>> really made of, but it probably shouldn't be on the whitelist.
>>
>> 5) Equipment is drifting to where it shouldn't.
>> Ok, it's a hacker space, wrenches go wandering. But WhereTF is the fire
>> extinguisher? The water bottle for spritzing out small fires?
>>
>>
>> I've thought this myself, particularly given that my office is above part
>> of AMT (the wood shop, actually.)
>>
>> Suggestions:
>>
>> 0) We need a new lens & a re-install.
>>
>> We have a spare identical lens, easy to re install
>
>
>>
>> 1) We need better filtering or venting.
>> Has anyone made sure that the cutter itself is sealed & the vent is
>> actually pulling efficiently from the cutter?
>> Could we get a bit better performance with different duct connections
>> &etc? Better blower? The current blower looks good, but see complaint #2.
>>
>> I'm going to bring in a HEPA filter. It wont' be up to the task, but
>> might help us live a bit longer & keep the dust on laptops down.  A full
>> sized laser filtering hepa filter is the right answer. How hard are they to
>> find on ebay/diy?
>>
>> See above, due to fan being installed downstairs instead of upstairs, it
> tends to leak fumes upstairs.
>
>
>> 2) No cutting material without a material safety sheet
>> Could we group buy from http://www.earthsourcewood.com and tap plastics?
>> They have great stuff, and tend to be cheaper than elsewhere. They just
>> require better planning. How about a stock of 5 sheets of good stuff & you
>> have to email the list when you use it?
>>
>>
>> I've used TAP, but they are pretty expensive.  I've had good experience
>> with OnlineMetals (and plastics):
>> http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?id=181&step=2&top_cat=181 if
>> people want to order from there.  Also, you can use my office to receive
>> anything like that as I'm usually in most days (suite 213, same building as
>> AMT).
>>
>
> http://www.estreetplastics.com/Default.asp is a bit cheaper than
> onlinemetals, but doesn't have as wide of a selection. Someone mentioned a
> local sign supplier where you can buy full sheets of acrylic...I called
> them for a quote, and the prices were within 5 or 10% of estreetplastics.
> Their only advantage is they'd deliver same day, vs waiting for shipping.
> Downside is you have to buy a full sheet (eg 4'x8' or so)
>
>
>>
>>
>> 3) Cleanup.
>> Removing (some) existing dust & all the attractive looking but actually
>> poisonous and useless bits of wood & plastic in the space. I figure 3
>> people & an afternoon would do it.  Heck, we could sort out the wood scrap
>> bin as well.
>>
>> 4) Dusting inside the cutter.
>> Anyone have a pile of microfiber they want to get rid of ?
>>
>> 5) Safety equipment.
>> If really there isn't a fire extinguisher, I'll bring in one once I get
>> it refilled this week.  What do we want for laser cutter sized problems?
>> CO2? ABC?
>>
>> We still don't have one. Current thoughts are CO2 would be better, since
> it wont deposit powder over everything if it has to be used.
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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From myles at tenhand.com  Fri Jan 20 11:50:20 2012
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:50:20 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Thoughts on the laser
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This made me remember to call earthsource. They'll have 5mm formaldehyde free baltic birch plywood in stock next week. If anyone wants to group buy, let me know. 


On Jan 20, 2012, at 10:49 AM, David Rorex wrote:

> Should be in the toolbox thats somewhere near the laser cutter (also holds misc laser parts like the 'key' to open the side panels and the 'lens removal tool' aka a thin metal ruler) . Dont know if they are labeled or not, worst case just compare it to the old lens, one should be the same and one should be different.
> 

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From drorex at gmail.com  Fri Jan 20 15:07:26 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:07:26 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Thoughts on the laser
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I'll take a sheet or two if you'll organize the buy. Does it cut easily,
and what kind of prices are we talking about?

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 11:50 AM, myles <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:

> This made me remember to call earthsource. They'll have 5mm formaldehyde
> free baltic birch plywood in stock next week. If anyone wants to group buy,
> let me know.
>
>
> On Jan 20, 2012, at 10:49 AM, David Rorex wrote:
>
> Should be in the toolbox thats somewhere near the laser cutter (also holds
> misc laser parts like the 'key' to open the side panels and the 'lens
> removal tool' aka a thin metal ruler) . Dont know if they are labeled or
> not, worst case just compare it to the old lens, one should be the same and
> one should be different.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
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From biff at cliffle.com  Fri Jan 20 20:23:55 2012
From: biff at cliffle.com (Cliff L. Biffle)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 20:23:55 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Thoughts on the laser
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On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 3:07 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'll take a sheet or two if you'll organize the buy. Does it cut easily,
> and what kind of prices are we talking about?
>

This raises a point I had forgotten to make.  When I printed up the Laser
Cutter Rules sign, I didn't specifically address materials.  To avoid a
tragedy of the commons situation, I say we get hardcore about material
rules.  Something like this:


   1. We have a box of known good materials.  You can cut anything in this
   box.
   2. If you bring your own materials, you must print out the MSDS and file
   it at the space.  This both proves that you checked, and makes it available
   for other people to browse when they're buying materials.
   3. If you have no MSDS -- or if the MSDS is scary -- you don't cut.

Thoughts?

-- 
Cliff L. Biffle
http://cliffle.com/
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From biff at cliffle.com  Fri Jan 20 20:25:51 2012
From: biff at cliffle.com (Cliff L. Biffle)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 20:25:51 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Upcoming Classes and Workshops
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It's not a class per se, but I've invited some folks from the DIY Drones
community to the drone/RC night on the 25th.  With any luck Chris Anderson
will come by, so if people have questions about the Ardupilot hardware (or
if they need help finishing, say, their EasyStar that's been sitting in the
space for months) this is your chance.

On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Al Jigong Billings
<albill at openbuddha.com>wrote:

> There have been a number of discussions about upcoming classes and
> workshops but I don't think any of them have been scheduled.
>
> Myles, when are you going to run your Ham radio technician license cram?
>
> Is anyone else willing to run a class in the next month?
>
> Al
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
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>



-- 
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Fri Jan 20 20:42:05 2012
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigong Billings)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 20:42:05 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Upcoming Classes and Workshops
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I tried nailing people down on the local UAV list around this (including
Chris, whose schedule is not easy). How did you manage this?

As far as I know, we weren't having a night on the 25th but I guess
we'll have to now!

Al

On 1/20/12 8:25 PM, Cliff L. Biffle wrote:
> It's not a class per se, but I've invited some folks from the DIY
> Drones community to the drone/RC night on the 25th.  With any luck
> Chris Anderson will come by, so if people have questions about the
> Ardupilot hardware (or if they need help finishing, say, their
> EasyStar that's been sitting in the space for months) this is your chance.
>
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Al Jigong Billings
> <albill at openbuddha.com <mailto:albill at openbuddha.com>> wrote:
>
>     There have been a number of discussions about upcoming classes and
>     workshops but I don't think any of them have been scheduled.
>
>     Myles, when are you going to run your Ham radio technician license
>     cram?
>
>     Is anyone else willing to run a class in the next month?
>
>     Al
>     _______________________________________________
>     Discuss mailing list
>     Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>     <mailto:Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org>
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From maltman23 at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 20 22:44:13 2012
From: maltman23 at hotmail.com (Mitch Altman)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 22:44:13 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] 65 remaining Hackerspace Passports
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Sorry -- all of them are at my fulfillment center in New Jersey (since they are way better than me at sending orders out).

 

 

 

 

---------------------------------------- > From: default at deadtrout.com > Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 01:24:59 -0800 > To: discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org > Subject: Re: [AMTD] 65 remaining Hackerspace Passports > > Can i buy one from you with cash at either Noisebridge or AMT in the east bay? > > --Terry > > On Jan 20, 2012, at 1:20 AM, Mitch Altman <maltman23 at hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I have 65 Hackerspace Passports remaining! Anyone want any? These have vinyl covers, so they're even nicer than the original. > > > > > > > > I'll need to mail them from my fulfillment center in New Jersey (since they send out orders way better than me!). > > > > > > > > Here's the costs: > > $2 for each passport > > plus S&H: > > for shipping within the US: > > add $2 each for 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 passport > > add $7 for the entire order for 5 passports or more > > for shipping outside the US (including Canada): > > add $4 each for 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 passport > > add $17 for the entire order for 5 passports or more > > > > > > > > If you want any, please email me: > > your name > > your address > > And PayPal me the correct amount -- account: maltman23 at hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > > More info: <https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Passport> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mitch. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org > > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss 		 	   		  

From ry at n.rix.si  Sat Jan 21 09:26:50 2012
From: ry at n.rix.si (Ryan Rix)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 10:26:50 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Thoughts on the laser
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On Fri 20 January 2012 20:23:55 Cliff L. Biffle wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 3:07 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'll take a sheet or two if you'll organize the buy. Does it cut easily,
> > and what kind of prices are we talking about?
> 
> This raises a point I had forgotten to make.  When I printed up the Laser
> Cutter Rules sign, I didn't specifically address materials.  To avoid a
> tragedy of the commons situation, I say we get hardcore about material
> rules.  Something like this:
> 
> 
>    1. We have a box of known good materials.  You can cut anything in this
>    box.
>    2. If you bring your own materials, you must print out the MSDS and file
>    it at the space.  This both proves that you checked, and makes it
> available for other people to browse when they're buying materials.
>    3. If you have no MSDS -- or if the MSDS is scary -- you don't cut.
> 
> Thoughts?

At HSL we have a list of known-good materials that can be cut and won't damage 
the machine or come out badly. anything else is forbidden. I highly recommend 
taking that approach, there's no real reason not to. 

Enforcing it's the fun part. :P

Ryan "thought the particular foam core I had cut was non PVC, but it was" Rix

-- 
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== OpenSource.com: Where Open Source Happens! ==
   _
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From me at robbiet.us  Sat Jan 21 09:34:26 2012
From: me at robbiet.us (Robbie Trencheny)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 10:34:26 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Thoughts on the laser
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[10:29:07] *<@robbiet480> **rrix*: we have that list already

[10:29:15] *<@robbiet480> *taped to the top of the laser

[10:29:15] *<@ToyBot> *LAZORS

[10:29:20] *<rrix> *robbiet480: Then what's the big deal? Enforce the list

[10:29:34] *<@robbiet480> *thats the issue

[10:30:05] *<rrix> *That you guys arent willing to be assholes about the
7000$ worth of equipment getting fucked up constnatly? :)

[10:30:09] *<@robbiet480> *no

[10:30:23] *<@robbiet480> *that someone isnt there 24/7 to monitor

[10:30:44] *<rrix> *I don't mean to be an asshole, but our laser is still
in top condition after five months of use, simply because we're assholes
about it

[10:30:51] *<rrix> *We don't have 24/7 monitoring of the laser

[10:31:15] *<@robbiet480> *then how do you enforce

[10:32:23] *<rrix> *training and good logging. you can tell when the
machine has been used whether it's been cleaned or not. Train people to cut
good shit and log it, use the logs to see what's being cut, enforce from
there.

[10:32:29] *<rrix> *if they arne't logging, enforce that.

[10:32:57] *<@robbiet480> *ah

[10:33:00] *<@robbiet480> *yeah that we can do

[10:33:04] *<@robbiet480> *you should suggest that in the email

[10:33:23] *<rrix> *You should, because I just closed that folder

[10:33:28] *<rrix> *feel free to cite me :P


Robbie Trencheny (@robbie <http://twitter.com/robbie>)
Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
925-884-3728
robbie.io



On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Ryan Rix <ry at n.rix.si> wrote:

> On Fri 20 January 2012 20:23:55 Cliff L. Biffle wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 3:07 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I'll take a sheet or two if you'll organize the buy. Does it cut
> easily,
> > > and what kind of prices are we talking about?
> >
> > This raises a point I had forgotten to make.  When I printed up the Laser
> > Cutter Rules sign, I didn't specifically address materials.  To avoid a
> > tragedy of the commons situation, I say we get hardcore about material
> > rules.  Something like this:
> >
> >
> >    1. We have a box of known good materials.  You can cut anything in
> this
> >    box.
> >    2. If you bring your own materials, you must print out the MSDS and
> file
> >    it at the space.  This both proves that you checked, and makes it
> > available for other people to browse when they're buying materials.
> >    3. If you have no MSDS -- or if the MSDS is scary -- you don't cut.
> >
> > Thoughts?
>
> At HSL we have a list of known-good materials that can be cut and won't
> damage
> the machine or come out badly. anything else is forbidden. I highly
> recommend
> taking that approach, there's no real reason not to.
>
> Enforcing it's the fun part. :P
>
> Ryan "thought the particular foam core I had cut was non PVC, but it was"
> Rix
>
> --
> Ryan Rix -- http://rix.si
> == OpenSource.com: Where Open Source Happens! ==
>   _
>  \/"/_ All Hail the Beefy Miracle!
>  /_/
>  \ \
>
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From slick at rebelbase.com  Sat Jan 21 10:56:33 2012
From: slick at rebelbase.com (slick)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 10:56:33 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Thoughts on the laser
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I think logging the material used makes good sense and should be easy
since we are already logging time.



On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Robbie Trencheny <me at robbiet.us> wrote:
> [10:29:07] <@robbiet480> rrix: we have that list already
>
> [10:29:15] <@robbiet480> taped to the top of the laser
>
> [10:29:15] <@ToyBot> LAZORS
>
> [10:29:20] <rrix> robbiet480: Then what's the big deal? Enforce the list
>
> [10:29:34] <@robbiet480> thats the issue
>
> [10:30:05] <rrix> That you guys arent willing to be assholes about the 7000$
> worth of equipment getting fucked up constnatly? :)
>
> [10:30:09] <@robbiet480> no
>
> [10:30:23] <@robbiet480> that someone isnt there 24/7 to monitor
>
> [10:30:44] <rrix> I don't mean to be an asshole, but our laser is still in
> top condition after five months of use, simply because we're assholes about
> it
>
> [10:30:51] <rrix> We don't have 24/7 monitoring of the laser
>
> [10:31:15] <@robbiet480> then how do you enforce
>
> [10:32:23] <rrix> training and good logging. you can tell when the machine
> has been used whether it's been cleaned or not. Train people to cut good
> shit and log it, use the logs to see what's being cut, enforce from there.
>
> [10:32:29] <rrix> if they arne't logging, enforce that.
>
> [10:32:57] <@robbiet480> ah
>
> [10:33:00] <@robbiet480> yeah that we can do
>
> [10:33:04] <@robbiet480> you should suggest that in the email
>
> [10:33:23] <rrix> You should, because I just closed that folder
>
> [10:33:28] <rrix> feel free to cite me :P
>
>
>
> Robbie Trencheny (@robbie)
> Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
> 925-884-3728
> robbie.io
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Ryan Rix <ry at n.rix.si> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri 20 January 2012 20:23:55 Cliff L. Biffle wrote:
>> > On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 3:07 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > I'll take a sheet or two if you'll organize the buy. Does it cut
>> > > easily,
>> > > and what kind of prices are we talking about?
>> >
>> > This raises a point I had forgotten to make. ?When I printed up the
>> > Laser
>> > Cutter Rules sign, I didn't specifically address materials. ?To avoid a
>> > tragedy of the commons situation, I say we get hardcore about material
>> > rules. ?Something like this:
>> >
>> >
>> > ? ?1. We have a box of known good materials. ?You can cut anything in
>> > this
>> > ? ?box.
>> > ? ?2. If you bring your own materials, you must print out the MSDS and
>> > file
>> > ? ?it at the space. ?This both proves that you checked, and makes it
>> > available for other people to browse when they're buying materials.
>> > ? ?3. If you have no MSDS -- or if the MSDS is scary -- you don't cut.
>> >
>> > Thoughts?
>>
>> At HSL we have a list of known-good materials that can be cut and won't
>> damage
>> the machine or come out badly. anything else is forbidden. I highly
>> recommend
>> taking that approach, there's no real reason not to.
>>
>> Enforcing it's the fun part. :P
>>
>> Ryan "thought the particular foam core I had cut was non PVC, but it was"
>> Rix
>>
>> --
>> Ryan Rix -- http://rix.si
>> == OpenSource.com: Where Open Source Happens! ==
>> ? _
>> ?\/"/_ All Hail the Beefy Miracle!
>> ?/_/
>> ?\ \
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
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>


From robertcook at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 11:39:00 2012
From: robertcook at gmail.com (Robert Cook)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 11:39:00 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Thoughts on the laser
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I think this is a really good first step.  It seems like most of the other problems would be solved with education.  For instance, I know that some woods are treated with formaldehyde.  I also know that wouldn't be a good thing to burn in a closed room.  But I didn't put the two together.  (For the record, I haven't cut plywood yet, but I may very well have made the mistake.)

At the UC Berkeley laser cutter, they have big, graphic examples of what can happen, such as a laser cut PVC sheet (from the trashcan) stuck to a poster that says something like you might get sick and die if you cut PVC.

Also, I imagine there are best practices when cutting different materials that are partially addressed on the AMT wiki.  Multi-pass at lower power settings for some materials may result in less soot, etc.  It would be nice to have those on a wall poster.  

Which brings up one last thing:  the Laser cutter use pricing scheme gives a perverse incentive to wear out the laser faster.  Since users are charged by time, some might use higher power with a faster speed or fewer passes.  Pay-per-minute is good because it's already implemented and easy to understand, but maybe a guideline poster should remind people to be good about this.

Maybe a hackerspace somewhere has already made such a poster?


On Jan 21, 2012, at 10:56 AM, slick wrote:

> I think logging the material used makes good sense and should be easy
> since we are already logging time.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Robbie Trencheny <me at robbiet.us> wrote:
>> [10:29:07] <@robbiet480> rrix: we have that list already
>> 
>> [10:29:15] <@robbiet480> taped to the top of the laser
>> 
>> [10:29:15] <@ToyBot> LAZORS
>> 
>> [10:29:20] <rrix> robbiet480: Then what's the big deal? Enforce the list
>> 
>> [10:29:34] <@robbiet480> thats the issue
>> 
>> [10:30:05] <rrix> That you guys arent willing to be assholes about the 7000$
>> worth of equipment getting fucked up constnatly? :)
>> 
>> [10:30:09] <@robbiet480> no
>> 
>> [10:30:23] <@robbiet480> that someone isnt there 24/7 to monitor
>> 
>> [10:30:44] <rrix> I don't mean to be an asshole, but our laser is still in
>> top condition after five months of use, simply because we're assholes about
>> it
>> 
>> [10:30:51] <rrix> We don't have 24/7 monitoring of the laser
>> 
>> [10:31:15] <@robbiet480> then how do you enforce
>> 
>> [10:32:23] <rrix> training and good logging. you can tell when the machine
>> has been used whether it's been cleaned or not. Train people to cut good
>> shit and log it, use the logs to see what's being cut, enforce from there.
>> 
>> [10:32:29] <rrix> if they arne't logging, enforce that.
>> 
>> [10:32:57] <@robbiet480> ah
>> 
>> [10:33:00] <@robbiet480> yeah that we can do
>> 
>> [10:33:04] <@robbiet480> you should suggest that in the email
>> 
>> [10:33:23] <rrix> You should, because I just closed that folder
>> 
>> [10:33:28] <rrix> feel free to cite me :P
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Robbie Trencheny (@robbie)
>> Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
>> 925-884-3728
>> robbie.io
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Ryan Rix <ry at n.rix.si> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Fri 20 January 2012 20:23:55 Cliff L. Biffle wrote:
>>>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 3:07 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I'll take a sheet or two if you'll organize the buy. Does it cut
>>>>> easily,
>>>>> and what kind of prices are we talking about?
>>>> 
>>>> This raises a point I had forgotten to make.  When I printed up the
>>>> Laser
>>>> Cutter Rules sign, I didn't specifically address materials.  To avoid a
>>>> tragedy of the commons situation, I say we get hardcore about material
>>>> rules.  Something like this:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>    1. We have a box of known good materials.  You can cut anything in
>>>> this
>>>>    box.
>>>>    2. If you bring your own materials, you must print out the MSDS and
>>>> file
>>>>    it at the space.  This both proves that you checked, and makes it
>>>> available for other people to browse when they're buying materials.
>>>>    3. If you have no MSDS -- or if the MSDS is scary -- you don't cut.
>>>> 
>>>> Thoughts?
>>> 
>>> At HSL we have a list of known-good materials that can be cut and won't
>>> damage
>>> the machine or come out badly. anything else is forbidden. I highly
>>> recommend
>>> taking that approach, there's no real reason not to.
>>> 
>>> Enforcing it's the fun part. :P
>>> 
>>> Ryan "thought the particular foam core I had cut was non PVC, but it was"
>>> Rix
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Ryan Rix -- http://rix.si
>>> == OpenSource.com: Where Open Source Happens! ==
>>>   _
>>>  \/"/_ All Hail the Beefy Miracle!
>>>  /_/
>>>  \ \
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
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>>> 
>> 
>> 
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From ry at n.rix.si  Sat Jan 21 13:18:31 2012
From: ry at n.rix.si (Ryan Rix)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 14:18:31 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Thoughts on the laser
In-Reply-To: <B81AF5C7-13DC-4544-9B69-506C22BE765A@gmail.com>
References: <E20DC015-35A7-4C80-8F88-F89617F26565@tenhand.com>
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Even if the PVC doesn't kill/injure someone, it's doing a lot of damage to the 
laser because it's synthesizing hydrochloric acid, which eats away at the 
equipment. 

If you guys are charging for laser time, what about something like watt-
minutes? If you can run a job at 10 watts and it takes ten minutes, it would 
cost the same as 100 watts in one minute, but your tube lasts a LOT longer. 

r

On Sat 21 January 2012 11:39:00 Robert Cook wrote:
> I think this is a really good first step.  It seems like most of the other
> problems would be solved with education.  For instance, I know that some
> woods are treated with formaldehyde.  I also know that wouldn't be a good
> thing to burn in a closed room.  But I didn't put the two together.  (For
> the record, I haven't cut plywood yet, but I may very well have made the
> mistake.)
> 
> At the UC Berkeley laser cutter, they have big, graphic examples of what can
> happen, such as a laser cut PVC sheet (from the trashcan) stuck to a poster
> that says something like you might get sick and die if you cut PVC.
> 
> Also, I imagine there are best practices when cutting different materials
> that are partially addressed on the AMT wiki.  Multi-pass at lower power
> settings for some materials may result in less soot, etc.  It would be nice
> to have those on a wall poster.
> 
> Which brings up one last thing:  the Laser cutter use pricing scheme gives a
> perverse incentive to wear out the laser faster.  Since users are charged
> by time, some might use higher power with a faster speed or fewer passes. 
> Pay-per-minute is good because it's already implemented and easy to
> understand, but maybe a guideline poster should remind people to be good
> about this.
> 
> Maybe a hackerspace somewhere has already made such a poster?
> 
> On Jan 21, 2012, at 10:56 AM, slick wrote:
> > I think logging the material used makes good sense and should be easy
> > since we are already logging time.
> > 
> > On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Robbie Trencheny <me at robbiet.us> wrote:
> >> [10:29:07] <@robbiet480> rrix: we have that list already
> >> 
> >> [10:29:15] <@robbiet480> taped to the top of the laser
> >> 
> >> [10:29:15] <@ToyBot> LAZORS
> >> 
> >> [10:29:20] <rrix> robbiet480: Then what's the big deal? Enforce the list
> >> 
> >> [10:29:34] <@robbiet480> thats the issue
> >> 
> >> [10:30:05] <rrix> That you guys arent willing to be assholes about the
> >> 7000$ worth of equipment getting fucked up constnatly? :)
> >> 
> >> [10:30:09] <@robbiet480> no
> >> 
> >> [10:30:23] <@robbiet480> that someone isnt there 24/7 to monitor
> >> 
> >> [10:30:44] <rrix> I don't mean to be an asshole, but our laser is still
> >> in
> >> top condition after five months of use, simply because we're assholes
> >> about
> >> it
> >> 
> >> [10:30:51] <rrix> We don't have 24/7 monitoring of the laser
> >> 
> >> [10:31:15] <@robbiet480> then how do you enforce
> >> 
> >> [10:32:23] <rrix> training and good logging. you can tell when the
> >> machine
> >> has been used whether it's been cleaned or not. Train people to cut good
> >> shit and log it, use the logs to see what's being cut, enforce from
> >> there.
> >> 
> >> [10:32:29] <rrix> if they arne't logging, enforce that.
> >> 
> >> [10:32:57] <@robbiet480> ah
> >> 
> >> [10:33:00] <@robbiet480> yeah that we can do
> >> 
> >> [10:33:04] <@robbiet480> you should suggest that in the email
> >> 
> >> [10:33:23] <rrix> You should, because I just closed that folder
> >> 
> >> [10:33:28] <rrix> feel free to cite me :P
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Robbie Trencheny (@robbie)
> >> Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
> >> 925-884-3728
> >> robbie.io
> >> 
> >> On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Ryan Rix <ry at n.rix.si> wrote:
> >>> On Fri 20 January 2012 20:23:55 Cliff L. Biffle wrote:
> >>>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 3:07 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> I'll take a sheet or two if you'll organize the buy. Does it cut
> >>>>> easily,
> >>>>> and what kind of prices are we talking about?
> >>>> 
> >>>> This raises a point I had forgotten to make.  When I printed up the
> >>>> Laser
> >>>> Cutter Rules sign, I didn't specifically address materials.  To avoid a
> >>>> tragedy of the commons situation, I say we get hardcore about material
> >>>> 
> >>>> rules.  Something like this:
> >>>>    1. We have a box of known good materials.  You can cut anything in
> >>>> 
> >>>> this
> >>>> 
> >>>>    box.
> >>>>    2. If you bring your own materials, you must print out the MSDS and
> >>>> 
> >>>> file
> >>>> 
> >>>>    it at the space.  This both proves that you checked, and makes it
> >>>> 
> >>>> available for other people to browse when they're buying materials.
> >>>> 
> >>>>    3. If you have no MSDS -- or if the MSDS is scary -- you don't cut.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Thoughts?
> >>> 
> >>> At HSL we have a list of known-good materials that can be cut and won't
> >>> damage
> >>> the machine or come out badly. anything else is forbidden. I highly
> >>> recommend
> >>> taking that approach, there's no real reason not to.
> >>> 
> >>> Enforcing it's the fun part. :P
> >>> 
> >>> Ryan "thought the particular foam core I had cut was non PVC, but it
> >>> was"
> >>> Rix
> >>> 
> >>> --
> >>> Ryan Rix -- http://rix.si
> >>> == OpenSource.com: Where Open Source Happens! ==
> >>> 
> >>>   _
> >>>  
> >>>  \/"/_ All Hail the Beefy Miracle!
> >>>  /_/
> >>>  \ \
> >>> 
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Discuss mailing list
> >>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> >>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> >> 
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From interrupt80h at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 13:57:57 2012
From: interrupt80h at gmail.com (interrupt80h at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 13:57:57 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Thoughts on the laser
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Yeah, counting watt/min would be better, I don't know if there's an
automated way to track that though. Maybe we could hook into LaserCut?

On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Ryan Rix <ry at n.rix.si> wrote:
> Even if the PVC doesn't kill/injure someone, it's doing a lot of damage to the
> laser because it's synthesizing hydrochloric acid, which eats away at the
> equipment.
>
> If you guys are charging for laser time, what about something like watt-
> minutes? If you can run a job at 10 watts and it takes ten minutes, it would
> cost the same as 100 watts in one minute, but your tube lasts a LOT longer.
>
> r
>
> On Sat 21 January 2012 11:39:00 Robert Cook wrote:
>> I think this is a really good first step. ?It seems like most of the other
>> problems would be solved with education. ?For instance, I know that some
>> woods are treated with formaldehyde. ?I also know that wouldn't be a good
>> thing to burn in a closed room. ?But I didn't put the two together. ?(For
>> the record, I haven't cut plywood yet, but I may very well have made the
>> mistake.)
>>
>> At the UC Berkeley laser cutter, they have big, graphic examples of what can
>> happen, such as a laser cut PVC sheet (from the trashcan) stuck to a poster
>> that says something like you might get sick and die if you cut PVC.
>>
>> Also, I imagine there are best practices when cutting different materials
>> that are partially addressed on the AMT wiki. ?Multi-pass at lower power
>> settings for some materials may result in less soot, etc. ?It would be nice
>> to have those on a wall poster.
>>
>> Which brings up one last thing: ?the Laser cutter use pricing scheme gives a
>> perverse incentive to wear out the laser faster. ?Since users are charged
>> by time, some might use higher power with a faster speed or fewer passes.
>> Pay-per-minute is good because it's already implemented and easy to
>> understand, but maybe a guideline poster should remind people to be good
>> about this.
>>
>> Maybe a hackerspace somewhere has already made such a poster?
>>
>> On Jan 21, 2012, at 10:56 AM, slick wrote:
>> > I think logging the material used makes good sense and should be easy
>> > since we are already logging time.
>> >
>> > On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Robbie Trencheny <me at robbiet.us> wrote:
>> >> [10:29:07] <@robbiet480> rrix: we have that list already
>> >>
>> >> [10:29:15] <@robbiet480> taped to the top of the laser
>> >>
>> >> [10:29:15] <@ToyBot> LAZORS
>> >>
>> >> [10:29:20] <rrix> robbiet480: Then what's the big deal? Enforce the list
>> >>
>> >> [10:29:34] <@robbiet480> thats the issue
>> >>
>> >> [10:30:05] <rrix> That you guys arent willing to be assholes about the
>> >> 7000$ worth of equipment getting fucked up constnatly? :)
>> >>
>> >> [10:30:09] <@robbiet480> no
>> >>
>> >> [10:30:23] <@robbiet480> that someone isnt there 24/7 to monitor
>> >>
>> >> [10:30:44] <rrix> I don't mean to be an asshole, but our laser is still
>> >> in
>> >> top condition after five months of use, simply because we're assholes
>> >> about
>> >> it
>> >>
>> >> [10:30:51] <rrix> We don't have 24/7 monitoring of the laser
>> >>
>> >> [10:31:15] <@robbiet480> then how do you enforce
>> >>
>> >> [10:32:23] <rrix> training and good logging. you can tell when the
>> >> machine
>> >> has been used whether it's been cleaned or not. Train people to cut good
>> >> shit and log it, use the logs to see what's being cut, enforce from
>> >> there.
>> >>
>> >> [10:32:29] <rrix> if they arne't logging, enforce that.
>> >>
>> >> [10:32:57] <@robbiet480> ah
>> >>
>> >> [10:33:00] <@robbiet480> yeah that we can do
>> >>
>> >> [10:33:04] <@robbiet480> you should suggest that in the email
>> >>
>> >> [10:33:23] <rrix> You should, because I just closed that folder
>> >>
>> >> [10:33:28] <rrix> feel free to cite me :P
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Robbie Trencheny (@robbie)
>> >> Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
>> >> 925-884-3728
>> >> robbie.io
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Ryan Rix <ry at n.rix.si> wrote:
>> >>> On Fri 20 January 2012 20:23:55 Cliff L. Biffle wrote:
>> >>>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 3:07 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> I'll take a sheet or two if you'll organize the buy. Does it cut
>> >>>>> easily,
>> >>>>> and what kind of prices are we talking about?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> This raises a point I had forgotten to make. ?When I printed up the
>> >>>> Laser
>> >>>> Cutter Rules sign, I didn't specifically address materials. ?To avoid a
>> >>>> tragedy of the commons situation, I say we get hardcore about material
>> >>>>
>> >>>> rules. ?Something like this:
>> >>>> ? ?1. We have a box of known good materials. ?You can cut anything in
>> >>>>
>> >>>> this
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ? ?box.
>> >>>> ? ?2. If you bring your own materials, you must print out the MSDS and
>> >>>>
>> >>>> file
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ? ?it at the space. ?This both proves that you checked, and makes it
>> >>>>
>> >>>> available for other people to browse when they're buying materials.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ? ?3. If you have no MSDS -- or if the MSDS is scary -- you don't cut.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thoughts?
>> >>>
>> >>> At HSL we have a list of known-good materials that can be cut and won't
>> >>> damage
>> >>> the machine or come out badly. anything else is forbidden. I highly
>> >>> recommend
>> >>> taking that approach, there's no real reason not to.
>> >>>
>> >>> Enforcing it's the fun part. :P
>> >>>
>> >>> Ryan "thought the particular foam core I had cut was non PVC, but it
>> >>> was"
>> >>> Rix
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Ryan Rix -- http://rix.si
>> >>> == OpenSource.com: Where Open Source Happens! ==
>> >>>
>> >>> ? _
>> >>>
>> >>> ?\/"/_ All Hail the Beefy Miracle!
>> >>> ?/_/
>> >>> ?\ \
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> Discuss mailing list
>> >>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
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>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >
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> --
> Ryan Rix -- http://rix.si
> == OpenSource.com: Where Open Source Happens! ==
> ? _
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> ?/_/
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From ry at n.rix.si  Sat Jan 21 14:21:55 2012
From: ry at n.rix.si (Ryan Rix)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 15:21:55 -0700
Subject: [AMTD] Thoughts on the laser
In-Reply-To: <CAM-dY3F_uav0DxFNco=+aqHFdxyO2238Q8+NqPBuyz9WKHCX=A@mail.gmail.com>
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	<9550257.OCuQOKof6z@stinkpad>
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Hook a kill-a-watt up to the laser tube?</mostlyjoking> LaserCut is probably 
too opaque to hook in to. I've looked at doing it, and some folks from london 
hackspace were reverse engineering it, but that's not going anywhere, afaict.

I don't have much input on this, HeatSync doesn't charge for laser time, 
maintenance for the tools just comes out of our membership fund, for better or 
worse.

r

On Sat 21 January 2012 13:57:57 interrupt80h at gmail.com wrote:
> Yeah, counting watt/min would be better, I don't know if there's an
> automated way to track that though. Maybe we could hook into LaserCut?
> 
> On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Ryan Rix <ry at n.rix.si> wrote:
> > Even if the PVC doesn't kill/injure someone, it's doing a lot of damage to
> > the laser because it's synthesizing hydrochloric acid, which eats away at
> > the equipment.
> > 
> > If you guys are charging for laser time, what about something like watt-
> > minutes? If you can run a job at 10 watts and it takes ten minutes, it
> > would cost the same as 100 watts in one minute, but your tube lasts a LOT
> > longer.
> > 
> > r
> > 
> > On Sat 21 January 2012 11:39:00 Robert Cook wrote:
> >> I think this is a really good first step.  It seems like most of the
> >> other
> >> problems would be solved with education.  For instance, I know that some
> >> woods are treated with formaldehyde.  I also know that wouldn't be a good
> >> thing to burn in a closed room.  But I didn't put the two together.  (For
> >> the record, I haven't cut plywood yet, but I may very well have made the
> >> mistake.)
> >> 
> >> At the UC Berkeley laser cutter, they have big, graphic examples of what
> >> can happen, such as a laser cut PVC sheet (from the trashcan) stuck to a
> >> poster that says something like you might get sick and die if you cut
> >> PVC.
> >> 
> >> Also, I imagine there are best practices when cutting different materials
> >> that are partially addressed on the AMT wiki.  Multi-pass at lower power
> >> settings for some materials may result in less soot, etc.  It would be
> >> nice
> >> to have those on a wall poster.
> >> 
> >> Which brings up one last thing:  the Laser cutter use pricing scheme
> >> gives a perverse incentive to wear out the laser faster.  Since users
> >> are charged by time, some might use higher power with a faster speed or
> >> fewer passes. Pay-per-minute is good because it's already implemented
> >> and easy to understand, but maybe a guideline poster should remind
> >> people to be good about this.
> >> 
> >> Maybe a hackerspace somewhere has already made such a poster?
> >> 
> >> On Jan 21, 2012, at 10:56 AM, slick wrote:
> >> > I think logging the material used makes good sense and should be easy
> >> > since we are already logging time.
> >> > 
> >> > On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Robbie Trencheny <me at robbiet.us> 
wrote:
> >> >> [10:29:07] <@robbiet480> rrix: we have that list already
> >> >> 
> >> >> [10:29:15] <@robbiet480> taped to the top of the laser
> >> >> 
> >> >> [10:29:15] <@ToyBot> LAZORS
> >> >> 
> >> >> [10:29:20] <rrix> robbiet480: Then what's the big deal? Enforce the
> >> >> list
> >> >> 
> >> >> [10:29:34] <@robbiet480> thats the issue
> >> >> 
> >> >> [10:30:05] <rrix> That you guys arent willing to be assholes about the
> >> >> 7000$ worth of equipment getting fucked up constnatly? :)
> >> >> 
> >> >> [10:30:09] <@robbiet480> no
> >> >> 
> >> >> [10:30:23] <@robbiet480> that someone isnt there 24/7 to monitor
> >> >> 
> >> >> [10:30:44] <rrix> I don't mean to be an asshole, but our laser is
> >> >> still
> >> >> in
> >> >> top condition after five months of use, simply because we're assholes
> >> >> about
> >> >> it
> >> >> 
> >> >> [10:30:51] <rrix> We don't have 24/7 monitoring of the laser
> >> >> 
> >> >> [10:31:15] <@robbiet480> then how do you enforce
> >> >> 
> >> >> [10:32:23] <rrix> training and good logging. you can tell when the
> >> >> machine
> >> >> has been used whether it's been cleaned or not. Train people to cut
> >> >> good
> >> >> shit and log it, use the logs to see what's being cut, enforce from
> >> >> there.
> >> >> 
> >> >> [10:32:29] <rrix> if they arne't logging, enforce that.
> >> >> 
> >> >> [10:32:57] <@robbiet480> ah
> >> >> 
> >> >> [10:33:00] <@robbiet480> yeah that we can do
> >> >> 
> >> >> [10:33:04] <@robbiet480> you should suggest that in the email
> >> >> 
> >> >> [10:33:23] <rrix> You should, because I just closed that folder
> >> >> 
> >> >> [10:33:28] <rrix> feel free to cite me :P
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> Robbie Trencheny (@robbie)
> >> >> Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
> >> >> 925-884-3728
> >> >> robbie.io
> >> >> 
> >> >> On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Ryan Rix <ry at n.rix.si> wrote:
> >> >>> On Fri 20 January 2012 20:23:55 Cliff L. Biffle wrote:
> >> >>>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 3:07 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> 
wrote:
> >> >>>>> I'll take a sheet or two if you'll organize the buy. Does it cut
> >> >>>>> easily,
> >> >>>>> and what kind of prices are we talking about?
> >> >>>> 
> >> >>>> This raises a point I had forgotten to make.  When I printed up the
> >> >>>> Laser
> >> >>>> Cutter Rules sign, I didn't specifically address materials.  To
> >> >>>> avoid a
> >> >>>> tragedy of the commons situation, I say we get hardcore about
> >> >>>> material
> >> >>>> 
> >> >>>> rules.  Something like this:
> >> >>>>    1. We have a box of known good materials.  You can cut anything
> >> >>>> in
> >> >>>> 
> >> >>>> this
> >> >>>> 
> >> >>>>    box.
> >> >>>>    2. If you bring your own materials, you must print out the MSDS
> >> >>>> and
> >> >>>> 
> >> >>>> file
> >> >>>> 
> >> >>>>    it at the space.  This both proves that you checked, and makes it
> >> >>>> 
> >> >>>> available for other people to browse when they're buying materials.
> >> >>>> 
> >> >>>>    3. If you have no MSDS -- or if the MSDS is scary -- you don't
> >> >>>> cut.
> >> >>>> 
> >> >>>> Thoughts?
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> At HSL we have a list of known-good materials that can be cut and
> >> >>> won't
> >> >>> damage
> >> >>> the machine or come out badly. anything else is forbidden. I highly
> >> >>> recommend
> >> >>> taking that approach, there's no real reason not to.
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> Enforcing it's the fun part. :P
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> Ryan "thought the particular foam core I had cut was non PVC, but it
> >> >>> was"
> >> >>> Rix
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> Ryan Rix -- http://rix.si
> >> >>> == OpenSource.com: Where Open Source Happens! ==
> >> >>> 
> >> >>>   _
> >> >>> 
> >> >>>  \/"/_ All Hail the Beefy Miracle!
> >> >>>  /_/
> >> >>>  \ \
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> _______________________________________________
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> >> Discuss mailing list
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> > 
> > --
> > Ryan Rix -- http://rix.si
> > == OpenSource.com: Where Open Source Happens! ==
> >   _
> >  \/"/_ All Hail the Beefy Miracle!
> >  /_/
> >  \ \
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From myles at tenhand.com  Sat Jan 21 14:54:53 2012
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 14:54:53 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Material for laser cutting
Message-ID: <E70811CA-1EB2-4B31-A835-AA9B254981AC@tenhand.com>



I've spent some time this morning trying to find good wood for lasercutting. 

The folks at earthsource were super friendly, helpful, and had already heard of Ace Monster. They said some big hairy guy had been there (Heph?)

From them & google I've learned. 

There are 4 types of plywood glue.

* Urea formaldehyde - this is the most toxic, common in MDF. Laser cutting *will* put more into the air. 
* Phenol-formaldehyde -  Much lower toxic content. Can be extremely safe while still being exterior grade. 
* melamine-urea-formaldehyde - A glue combination developed for laser cuttable wood. Less formaldehyde, lower stink. 
* Other No added Formaldehyde (NAF) glues. 


The ideal  laser cutter product is made by finnforest.com  among others. Documentation at
http://www.finnforest.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/Plywood%20product%20sheets/Laser.pdf

In addition to  melamine-urea-formaldehyde resin,  the board is carefully built to avoid gaps that would de-focus the laser. Obvious in hindsight. This is the baltic birch that we know to work so well. 

I saw the MSDS at earthsource & it pretty much says "laserable & there isnt' so much bad stuff in the board that it will be a problem in the atmosphere. Avoid splinters". 

Earthsource doesn't have it in stock, probably will within 1-2 weeks. I'll get an email when it's about to arrive. 

The exterior grade phenol-formaldehyde boards seem to not be favored for laser cutting, but it isn't clear if that's because they discolor, are hard to cut, or simply aren't available without internal flaws.  Based on what we've seen from the home depot boards, I'm betting that's the stuff that simply won't cut. 

No Added Formaldehyde. 
Earthsource stocks plywood from Mt. Baker Products, which is very nifty no added formaldehyde wood.  There's a similar product from columbia forest. They have MSDS's up at  http://columbiaforestproducts.com/Documents#msds
It's interior grade only, but I want to give it a try. Unfortunately the only stuff in stock has a really nice waterproof maple laminate on it. I can't find the MSDS for the laminate. I'm hoping it's not toxic, since the result would be great.

Does anybody have knowledge to add? If not, this may make it up to the wiki?  


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From myles at tenhand.com  Sat Jan 21 15:03:50 2012
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 15:03:50 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Material for laser cutting
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part II: acrylic

Good tips at http://www.laserbits.com/images/LaserResources/TechTipsandFeatureStories/FeatureStories/articles/acrylic_tips.html

Plexiglas brand products come with an MSDS.
http://www.plexiglas.com/resourcecenter/-1/1



On Jan 21, 2012, at 2:54 PM, myles wrote:

> 
> 
> I've spent some time this morning trying to find good wood for lasercutting. 
> 
> The folks at earthsource were super friendly, helpful, and had already heard of Ace Monster. They said some big hairy guy had been there (Heph?)
> 
> From them & google I've learned. 
> 
> There are 4 types of plywood glue.
> 
> * Urea formaldehyde - this is the most toxic, common in MDF. Laser cutting *will* put more into the air. 
> * Phenol-formaldehyde -  Much lower toxic content. Can be extremely safe while still being exterior grade. 
> * melamine-urea-formaldehyde - A glue combination developed for laser cuttable wood. Less formaldehyde, lower stink. 
> * Other No added Formaldehyde (NAF) glues. 
> 
> 
> The ideal  laser cutter product is made by finnforest.com  among others. Documentation at
> http://www.finnforest.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/Plywood%20product%20sheets/Laser.pdf
> 
> In addition to  melamine-urea-formaldehyde resin,  the board is carefully built to avoid gaps that would de-focus the laser. Obvious in hindsight. This is the baltic birch that we know to work so well. 
> 
> I saw the MSDS at earthsource & it pretty much says "laserable & there isnt' so much bad stuff in the board that it will be a problem in the atmosphere. Avoid splinters". 
> 
> Earthsource doesn't have it in stock, probably will within 1-2 weeks. I'll get an email when it's about to arrive. 
> 
> The exterior grade phenol-formaldehyde boards seem to not be favored for laser cutting, but it isn't clear if that's because they discolor, are hard to cut, or simply aren't available without internal flaws.  Based on what we've seen from the home depot boards, I'm betting that's the stuff that simply won't cut. 
> 
> No Added Formaldehyde. 
> Earthsource stocks plywood from Mt. Baker Products, which is very nifty no added formaldehyde wood.  There's a similar product from columbia forest. They have MSDS's up at  http://columbiaforestproducts.com/Documents#msds
> It's interior grade only, but I want to give it a try. Unfortunately the only stuff in stock has a really nice waterproof maple laminate on it. I can't find the MSDS for the laminate. I'm hoping it's not toxic, since the result would be great.
> 
> Does anybody have knowledge to add? If not, this may make it up to the wiki?  
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss

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From drorex at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 11:34:16 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 11:34:16 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Thoughts on the laser
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If I really wanted to I could read the laser output power from the laser
cutter motherboard, we have the manual for it, it's either Y2.2 as an
analog voltage or Y2.3 as a PWM output controlling the laser power (page
12-14 of MPC6515_Manual.pdf on http://wiki.acemonstertoys.org/Laser_Cutter)

On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Ryan Rix <ry at n.rix.si> wrote:

> Hook a kill-a-watt up to the laser tube?</mostlyjoking> LaserCut is
> probably
> too opaque to hook in to. I've looked at doing it, and some folks from
> london
> hackspace were reverse engineering it, but that's not going anywhere,
> afaict.
>
> I don't have much input on this, HeatSync doesn't charge for laser time,
> maintenance for the tools just comes out of our membership fund, for
> better or
> worse.
>
> r
>
> On Sat 21 January 2012 13:57:57 interrupt80h at gmail.com wrote:
> > Yeah, counting watt/min would be better, I don't know if there's an
> > automated way to track that though. Maybe we could hook into LaserCut?
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Ryan Rix <ry at n.rix.si> wrote:
> > > Even if the PVC doesn't kill/injure someone, it's doing a lot of
> damage to
> > > the laser because it's synthesizing hydrochloric acid, which eats away
> at
> > > the equipment.
> > >
> > > If you guys are charging for laser time, what about something like
> watt-
> > > minutes? If you can run a job at 10 watts and it takes ten minutes, it
> > > would cost the same as 100 watts in one minute, but your tube lasts a
> LOT
> > > longer.
> > >
> > > r
> > >
> > > On Sat 21 January 2012 11:39:00 Robert Cook wrote:
> > >> I think this is a really good first step.  It seems like most of the
> > >> other
> > >> problems would be solved with education.  For instance, I know that
> some
> > >> woods are treated with formaldehyde.  I also know that wouldn't be a
> good
> > >> thing to burn in a closed room.  But I didn't put the two together.
>  (For
> > >> the record, I haven't cut plywood yet, but I may very well have made
> the
> > >> mistake.)
> > >>
> > >> At the UC Berkeley laser cutter, they have big, graphic examples of
> what
> > >> can happen, such as a laser cut PVC sheet (from the trashcan) stuck
> to a
> > >> poster that says something like you might get sick and die if you cut
> > >> PVC.
> > >>
> > >> Also, I imagine there are best practices when cutting different
> materials
> > >> that are partially addressed on the AMT wiki.  Multi-pass at lower
> power
> > >> settings for some materials may result in less soot, etc.  It would be
> > >> nice
> > >> to have those on a wall poster.
> > >>
> > >> Which brings up one last thing:  the Laser cutter use pricing scheme
> > >> gives a perverse incentive to wear out the laser faster.  Since users
> > >> are charged by time, some might use higher power with a faster speed
> or
> > >> fewer passes. Pay-per-minute is good because it's already implemented
> > >> and easy to understand, but maybe a guideline poster should remind
> > >> people to be good about this.
> > >>
> > >> Maybe a hackerspace somewhere has already made such a poster?
> > >>
> > >> On Jan 21, 2012, at 10:56 AM, slick wrote:
> > >> > I think logging the material used makes good sense and should be
> easy
> > >> > since we are already logging time.
> > >> >
> > >> > On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Robbie Trencheny <me at robbiet.us>
> wrote:
> > >> >> [10:29:07] <@robbiet480> rrix: we have that list already
> > >> >>
> > >> >> [10:29:15] <@robbiet480> taped to the top of the laser
> > >> >>
> > >> >> [10:29:15] <@ToyBot> LAZORS
> > >> >>
> > >> >> [10:29:20] <rrix> robbiet480: Then what's the big deal? Enforce the
> > >> >> list
> > >> >>
> > >> >> [10:29:34] <@robbiet480> thats the issue
> > >> >>
> > >> >> [10:30:05] <rrix> That you guys arent willing to be assholes about
> the
> > >> >> 7000$ worth of equipment getting fucked up constnatly? :)
> > >> >>
> > >> >> [10:30:09] <@robbiet480> no
> > >> >>
> > >> >> [10:30:23] <@robbiet480> that someone isnt there 24/7 to monitor
> > >> >>
> > >> >> [10:30:44] <rrix> I don't mean to be an asshole, but our laser is
> > >> >> still
> > >> >> in
> > >> >> top condition after five months of use, simply because we're
> assholes
> > >> >> about
> > >> >> it
> > >> >>
> > >> >> [10:30:51] <rrix> We don't have 24/7 monitoring of the laser
> > >> >>
> > >> >> [10:31:15] <@robbiet480> then how do you enforce
> > >> >>
> > >> >> [10:32:23] <rrix> training and good logging. you can tell when the
> > >> >> machine
> > >> >> has been used whether it's been cleaned or not. Train people to cut
> > >> >> good
> > >> >> shit and log it, use the logs to see what's being cut, enforce from
> > >> >> there.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> [10:32:29] <rrix> if they arne't logging, enforce that.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> [10:32:57] <@robbiet480> ah
> > >> >>
> > >> >> [10:33:00] <@robbiet480> yeah that we can do
> > >> >>
> > >> >> [10:33:04] <@robbiet480> you should suggest that in the email
> > >> >>
> > >> >> [10:33:23] <rrix> You should, because I just closed that folder
> > >> >>
> > >> >> [10:33:28] <rrix> feel free to cite me :P
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Robbie Trencheny (@robbie)
> > >> >> Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
> > >> >> 925-884-3728
> > >> >> robbie.io
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Ryan Rix <ry at n.rix.si> wrote:
> > >> >>> On Fri 20 January 2012 20:23:55 Cliff L. Biffle wrote:
> > >> >>>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 3:07 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >> >>>>> I'll take a sheet or two if you'll organize the buy. Does it cut
> > >> >>>>> easily,
> > >> >>>>> and what kind of prices are we talking about?
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> This raises a point I had forgotten to make.  When I printed up
> the
> > >> >>>> Laser
> > >> >>>> Cutter Rules sign, I didn't specifically address materials.  To
> > >> >>>> avoid a
> > >> >>>> tragedy of the commons situation, I say we get hardcore about
> > >> >>>> material
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> rules.  Something like this:
> > >> >>>>    1. We have a box of known good materials.  You can cut
> anything
> > >> >>>> in
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> this
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>    box.
> > >> >>>>    2. If you bring your own materials, you must print out the
> MSDS
> > >> >>>> and
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> file
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>    it at the space.  This both proves that you checked, and
> makes it
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> available for other people to browse when they're buying
> materials.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>    3. If you have no MSDS -- or if the MSDS is scary -- you don't
> > >> >>>> cut.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Thoughts?
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> At HSL we have a list of known-good materials that can be cut and
> > >> >>> won't
> > >> >>> damage
> > >> >>> the machine or come out badly. anything else is forbidden. I
> highly
> > >> >>> recommend
> > >> >>> taking that approach, there's no real reason not to.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Enforcing it's the fun part. :P
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Ryan "thought the particular foam core I had cut was non PVC, but
> it
> > >> >>> was"
> > >> >>> Rix
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> --
> > >> >>> Ryan Rix -- http://rix.si
> > >> >>> == OpenSource.com: Where Open Source Happens! ==
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>   _
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>  \/"/_ All Hail the Beefy Miracle!
> > >> >>>  /_/
> > >> >>>  \ \
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> _______________________________________________
> > >> >>> Discuss mailing list
> > >> >>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> > >> >>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> > >> >>
> > >> >> _______________________________________________
> > >> >> Discuss mailing list
> > >> >> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> > >> >> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> > >> >
> > >> > _______________________________________________
> > >> > Discuss mailing list
> > >> > Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> > >> > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Discuss mailing list
> > >> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> > >> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ryan Rix -- http://rix.si
> > > == OpenSource.com: Where Open Source Happens! ==
> > >   _
> > >  \/"/_ All Hail the Beefy Miracle!
> > >  /_/
> > >  \ \
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Discuss mailing list
> > > Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> > > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Discuss mailing list
> > Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> --
> Ryan Rix -- http://rix.si
> == OpenSource.com: Where Open Source Happens! ==
>   _
>  \/"/_ All Hail the Beefy Miracle!
>  /_/
>  \ \
>
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From maltman23 at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 22 14:41:51 2012
From: maltman23 at hotmail.com (Mitch Altman)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 14:41:51 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] TOMORROW: Circuit Hacking Monday at Noisebridge
Message-ID: <SNT102-W226FDE8617CA0C1B585D9EB8850@phx.gbl>


I'm back in town for just enough time to be at Noisebridge tomorrow night for Circuit Hacking Monday!
  CircuitHackingMonday      is a great chance to learn how to solder, learn about electronics,      and/or learn about Noisebridge.
It is perfectly fine if you've          never soldered before!It is perfectly fine to bring in          your projects in progress -- it's a great place to get help          with your project!It is perfectly fine to bring in          something you'd like help fixing!It is perfectly fine to just come          and hang out with other hardware geeks!Circuit Hacking Monday is all this, and more. You are        welcome to come to Circuit Hacking Monday to learn how to make cool        kits (listed below), but you are also welcome to come and work        on your own project, fix something, or get familiar with the  Noisebridge and its electronics lab. You can use our tools, get help, or        give help with others playing with and making projects. It's a        great community. Come and make some new friends!Where: Noisebridge,        3rd floor of 2169 Mission, San Francisco, 94110 One and a half blocks South of 16th        St. Mission BART Station.When: Monday January 23rd, 7pm till        ?? (it is totally OK to come late!)Just show up! No reservation is        needed. Most projects take about 1 to 2        hours.Who: You! It is fun        to make things in the friendly community of Noisebridge.Cost: Instruction        is Free! If you want one of the following        kits, reimbursement for the kit price is requested. (kit prices are $10 to $35,        depending on kit)All kits are designed for total        beginners to complete successfully.
Some of the kits available:  Larry Ogrodnek's 'Hi My Name is        badges' kit (you may have seen me wearing mine) Brain Machine (Meditate,        Hallucinate, and Trip Out!) Mignonette Game (build your own        handheld game console!) Trippy RGB Waves (interac tive        blinky lights!) LEDcube (animated 3D cube of LEDs!) MiniPOV (more cool blinky lights!) microcontroller programmers        (program all your AVR family chips!) Boarduinos (solderless breadborad        arduino!) Open Heart (animate fun patterns in        the shape of a heart!) LoL Shield (Lots of LEDs for your        Arduino!) Diavolinos (shield compatible        arduinos from Evil Mad Science!)And more!

More info is available on the above        kits at:http://www.CornfieldElectronics.comhttp://www.adafruit.comhttp://www.appliedplatonics.comhttp://www.jimmieprodgers.comhttp://www.mignonette-game.comhttp://www.evilmadscientist.comhttp://analogmachines.com/
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From louise.s.fox at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 16:41:49 2012
From: louise.s.fox at gmail.com (Louise Fox)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:41:49 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] honey cone cardboard 1" and .5"
Message-ID: <CAPxmc0FB9s_4HfF79Z3N+Mn_13ProS5E+R=sUwBM38=E-VWeAA@mail.gmail.com>

My work is getting rid of honycone cardboard 1" and .5" sheets 4 ' by
8'. It doesn't work so well for laser cutting. Do we need any of it
for any other reason?

-- 
Louise Fox
Mechanical Engineer


From garrattgallagher at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 01:54:06 2012
From: garrattgallagher at gmail.com (Garratt Gallagher)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 01:54:06 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Thoughts on the laser
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I also would be in favor of charging for watt-minutes, to encourage people
not to always run at full-blast.

Also, as someone who recently started using the laser, I felt that the
training was pretty minimal.  We might not be impressing on people the
importance of some things, like material usage, and what behaviors cause
damage to the cutter optics, etc.


Garratt
On Jan 22, 2012 11:34 AM, "David Rorex" <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:

> If I really wanted to I could read the laser output power from the laser
> cutter motherboard, we have the manual for it, it's either Y2.2 as an
> analog voltage or Y2.3 as a PWM output controlling the laser power (page
> 12-14 of MPC6515_Manual.pdf on http://wiki.acemonstertoys.org/Laser_Cutter
> )
>
> On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Ryan Rix <ry at n.rix.si> wrote:
>
>> Hook a kill-a-watt up to the laser tube?</mostlyjoking> LaserCut is
>> probably
>> too opaque to hook in to. I've looked at doing it, and some folks from
>> london
>> hackspace were reverse engineering it, but that's not going anywhere,
>> afaict.
>>
>> I don't have much input on this, HeatSync doesn't charge for laser time,
>> maintenance for the tools just comes out of our membership fund, for
>> better or
>> worse.
>>
>> r
>>
>> On Sat 21 January 2012 13:57:57 interrupt80h at gmail.com wrote:
>> > Yeah, counting watt/min would be better, I don't know if there's an
>> > automated way to track that though. Maybe we could hook into LaserCut?
>> >
>> > On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Ryan Rix <ry at n.rix.si> wrote:
>> > > Even if the PVC doesn't kill/injure someone, it's doing a lot of
>> damage to
>> > > the laser because it's synthesizing hydrochloric acid, which eats
>> away at
>> > > the equipment.
>> > >
>> > > If you guys are charging for laser time, what about something like
>> watt-
>> > > minutes? If you can run a job at 10 watts and it takes ten minutes, it
>> > > would cost the same as 100 watts in one minute, but your tube lasts a
>> LOT
>> > > longer.
>> > >
>> > > r
>> > >
>> > > On Sat 21 January 2012 11:39:00 Robert Cook wrote:
>> > >> I think this is a really good first step.  It seems like most of the
>> > >> other
>> > >> problems would be solved with education.  For instance, I know that
>> some
>> > >> woods are treated with formaldehyde.  I also know that wouldn't be a
>> good
>> > >> thing to burn in a closed room.  But I didn't put the two together.
>>  (For
>> > >> the record, I haven't cut plywood yet, but I may very well have made
>> the
>> > >> mistake.)
>> > >>
>> > >> At the UC Berkeley laser cutter, they have big, graphic examples of
>> what
>> > >> can happen, such as a laser cut PVC sheet (from the trashcan) stuck
>> to a
>> > >> poster that says something like you might get sick and die if you cut
>> > >> PVC.
>> > >>
>> > >> Also, I imagine there are best practices when cutting different
>> materials
>> > >> that are partially addressed on the AMT wiki.  Multi-pass at lower
>> power
>> > >> settings for some materials may result in less soot, etc.  It would
>> be
>> > >> nice
>> > >> to have those on a wall poster.
>> > >>
>> > >> Which brings up one last thing:  the Laser cutter use pricing scheme
>> > >> gives a perverse incentive to wear out the laser faster.  Since users
>> > >> are charged by time, some might use higher power with a faster speed
>> or
>> > >> fewer passes. Pay-per-minute is good because it's already implemented
>> > >> and easy to understand, but maybe a guideline poster should remind
>> > >> people to be good about this.
>> > >>
>> > >> Maybe a hackerspace somewhere has already made such a poster?
>> > >>
>> > >> On Jan 21, 2012, at 10:56 AM, slick wrote:
>> > >> > I think logging the material used makes good sense and should be
>> easy
>> > >> > since we are already logging time.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Robbie Trencheny <me at robbiet.us>
>> wrote:
>> > >> >> [10:29:07] <@robbiet480> rrix: we have that list already
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> [10:29:15] <@robbiet480> taped to the top of the laser
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> [10:29:15] <@ToyBot> LAZORS
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> [10:29:20] <rrix> robbiet480: Then what's the big deal? Enforce
>> the
>> > >> >> list
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> [10:29:34] <@robbiet480> thats the issue
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> [10:30:05] <rrix> That you guys arent willing to be assholes
>> about the
>> > >> >> 7000$ worth of equipment getting fucked up constnatly? :)
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> [10:30:09] <@robbiet480> no
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> [10:30:23] <@robbiet480> that someone isnt there 24/7 to monitor
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> [10:30:44] <rrix> I don't mean to be an asshole, but our laser is
>> > >> >> still
>> > >> >> in
>> > >> >> top condition after five months of use, simply because we're
>> assholes
>> > >> >> about
>> > >> >> it
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> [10:30:51] <rrix> We don't have 24/7 monitoring of the laser
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> [10:31:15] <@robbiet480> then how do you enforce
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> [10:32:23] <rrix> training and good logging. you can tell when the
>> > >> >> machine
>> > >> >> has been used whether it's been cleaned or not. Train people to
>> cut
>> > >> >> good
>> > >> >> shit and log it, use the logs to see what's being cut, enforce
>> from
>> > >> >> there.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> [10:32:29] <rrix> if they arne't logging, enforce that.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> [10:32:57] <@robbiet480> ah
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> [10:33:00] <@robbiet480> yeah that we can do
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> [10:33:04] <@robbiet480> you should suggest that in the email
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> [10:33:23] <rrix> You should, because I just closed that folder
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> [10:33:28] <rrix> feel free to cite me :P
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Robbie Trencheny (@robbie)
>> > >> >> Developer, CTO, Internet Enthusiast
>> > >> >> 925-884-3728
>> > >> >> robbie.io
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Ryan Rix <ry at n.rix.si> wrote:
>> > >> >>> On Fri 20 January 2012 20:23:55 Cliff L. Biffle wrote:
>> > >> >>>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 3:07 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > >> >>>>> I'll take a sheet or two if you'll organize the buy. Does it
>> cut
>> > >> >>>>> easily,
>> > >> >>>>> and what kind of prices are we talking about?
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>> This raises a point I had forgotten to make.  When I printed up
>> the
>> > >> >>>> Laser
>> > >> >>>> Cutter Rules sign, I didn't specifically address materials.  To
>> > >> >>>> avoid a
>> > >> >>>> tragedy of the commons situation, I say we get hardcore about
>> > >> >>>> material
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>> rules.  Something like this:
>> > >> >>>>    1. We have a box of known good materials.  You can cut
>> anything
>> > >> >>>> in
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>> this
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>>    box.
>> > >> >>>>    2. If you bring your own materials, you must print out the
>> MSDS
>> > >> >>>> and
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>> file
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>>    it at the space.  This both proves that you checked, and
>> makes it
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>> available for other people to browse when they're buying
>> materials.
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>>    3. If you have no MSDS -- or if the MSDS is scary -- you
>> don't
>> > >> >>>> cut.
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>> Thoughts?
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>> At HSL we have a list of known-good materials that can be cut and
>> > >> >>> won't
>> > >> >>> damage
>> > >> >>> the machine or come out badly. anything else is forbidden. I
>> highly
>> > >> >>> recommend
>> > >> >>> taking that approach, there's no real reason not to.
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>> Enforcing it's the fun part. :P
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>> Ryan "thought the particular foam core I had cut was non PVC,
>> but it
>> > >> >>> was"
>> > >> >>> Rix
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>> --
>> > >> >>> Ryan Rix -- http://rix.si
>> > >> >>> == OpenSource.com: Where Open Source Happens! ==
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>   _
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>  \/"/_ All Hail the Beefy Miracle!
>> > >> >>>  /_/
>> > >> >>>  \ \
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>> _______________________________________________
>> > >> >>> Discuss mailing list
>> > >> >>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> > >> >>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> _______________________________________________
>> > >> >> Discuss mailing list
>> > >> >> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> > >> >> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> > >> >
>> > >> > _______________________________________________
>> > >> > Discuss mailing list
>> > >> > Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> > >> > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> > >>
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>> > >> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> > >> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Ryan Rix -- http://rix.si
>> > > == OpenSource.com: Where Open Source Happens! ==
>> > >   _
>> > >  \/"/_ All Hail the Beefy Miracle!
>> > >  /_/
>> > >  \ \
>> > >
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>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> --
>> Ryan Rix -- http://rix.si
>> == OpenSource.com: Where Open Source Happens! ==
>>   _
>>  \/"/_ All Hail the Beefy Miracle!
>>  /_/
>>  \ \
>>
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From ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com  Mon Jan 23 10:36:04 2012
From: ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com (Christopher Cook)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 10:36:04 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Jobs / Roles for AMT
Message-ID: <CAMDVYoZRcwb0UrTG25Z1jOPQVkv3xu_r-GksKQj7MfMNp2XNtg@mail.gmail.com>

I think there is enough stuff that doesn't get done or only gets half done,
that it would be good to formalize a few more roles to assist in getting
things done - you know organization.

As it is we rely too heavily on Dave,the officers, and the whim
of volunteers for getting things done. There shouldn't need to be calls on
the message list or irc for "Someone" to clean the lens. I think there
should already be someone with a set schedule to do so. Having set roles
could also help make sure things are done correctly. Take Laser and
Makerbot signoff; There are a number of people who currently do the
instruction/sign off on the laser and the range of information passed
varies greatly, if there was a common 'run book' to standardize the
training and a scheduled class then there would be less laser misuse.

Potential roles:

- Laser cleaner
- Laser teacher
- Makerbot teacher
- Purchaser ( making sure the space is stocked with approved materials, to
cut down on misuse )

I suggest that the roles be put up for volunteers to take with a minimum
commitment of two months (or such), if that doesn't staff the positions
then maybe there should be a conscription from the starving hackers? Then
there can be a wiki updated by each role so that the position can be easily
transitioned between members.

What say you?
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From acornartz at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 13:46:28 2012
From: acornartz at gmail.com (Acorn Artz)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 13:46:28 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Material for laser cutting
In-Reply-To: <E70811CA-1EB2-4B31-A835-AA9B254981AC@tenhand.com>
References: <E70811CA-1EB2-4B31-A835-AA9B254981AC@tenhand.com>
Message-ID: <CAE6FSKnyw2M=GNWH9z5s8dTMvPYAPRHv-FALRc+TJ-jJrD7ABw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, I have been doing laser work at Techshop and have some good links for
good solid hardwoods that are thin boards and affordable:

Mr. Perzel is a laser artist himself and he has a bunch of nice thin boards
at:
http://www.laserarts.net/products.html

Hibdonhardwoods.com  has mismatched guitar backs/singles in nice hardwoods
from $5-$25, these are 5/32 thin 6"x24, I think. They have mahogany,
cocobolo, walnut, & many others.

Cherrytreetoys.com
has really nicely both sides sanded smooth/ finished solid hardwood boards
( Cherry cuts like butter, low smoke levels, $6.95 for a 6x24 inch board,
1/8 inch thin) they have a lot of different kinds of wood.

I have looked and looked at McBeath Hardwoods in Berkeley, and have not
found solid hardwoods, but they do have some plywoods there that are 1/8
and 1/4 inch thick, with decent looking surfaces. They have drawers full of
veneer wood upstairs, but I did not like any of it, its paper thin.

Hope that helps.
~Kathleen




On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 2:54 PM, myles <myles at tenhand.com> wrote:

>
>
> I've spent some time this morning trying to find good wood for
> lasercutting.
>
> The folks at earthsource were super friendly, helpful, and had already
> heard of Ace Monster. They said some big hairy guy had been there (Heph?)
>
> From them & google I've learned.
>
> There are 4 types of plywood glue.
>
> * Urea formaldehyde - this is the most toxic, common in MDF. Laser cutting
> *will* put more into the air.
> * Phenol-formaldehyde -  Much lower toxic content. Can be extremely safe
> while still being exterior grade.
> * melamine-urea-formaldehyde - A glue combination developed for laser
> cuttable wood. Less formaldehyde, lower stink.
> * Other No added Formaldehyde (NAF) glues.
>
>
> The ideal  laser cutter product is made by finnforest.com  among others.
> Documentation at
>
> http://www.finnforest.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/Plywood%20product%20sheets/Laser.pdf
>
> In addition to  melamine-urea-formaldehyde resin,  the board is carefully
> built to avoid gaps that would de-focus the laser. Obvious in hindsight.
> This is the baltic birch that we know to work so well.
>
> I saw the MSDS at earthsource & it pretty much says "laserable & there
> isnt' so much bad stuff in the board that it will be a problem in the
> atmosphere. Avoid splinters".
>
> Earthsource doesn't have it in stock, probably will within 1-2 weeks. I'll
> get an email when it's about to arrive.
>
> The exterior grade phenol-formaldehyde boards seem to not be favored for
> laser cutting, but it isn't clear if that's because they discolor, are hard
> to cut, or simply aren't available without internal flaws.  Based on what
> we've seen from the home depot boards, I'm betting that's the stuff that
> simply won't cut.
>
> No Added Formaldehyde.
> Earthsource stocks plywood from Mt. Baker Products, which is very nifty no
> added formaldehyde wood.  There's a similar product from columbia forest.
> They have MSDS's up at  http://columbiaforestproducts.com/Documents#msds
> It's interior grade only, but I want to give it a try. Unfortunately the
> only stuff in stock has a really nice waterproof maple laminate on it. I
> can't find the MSDS for the laminate. I'm hoping it's not toxic, since the
> result would be great.
>
> Does anybody have knowledge to add? If not, this may make it up to the
> wiki?
>
>
>
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From drorex at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 16:29:47 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 16:29:47 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Presentation at this weeks Thursday meeting
Message-ID: <CACAQXeK+FB3+F9Z8MHLoj2ASEZ-ZER0wF7=8Bh58mBatuHeU=g@mail.gmail.com>

Special feature for this weeks meeting:

Tekla Labs will be announcing a 3D Printed Design Competition at Ace
Monster Toys. Some of the designs already produced by them and their
affiliates will be presented. They will demonstrate the Cell-Scope
(CellScope Inc.), a cell-phone based microscope constructed of 3D printed
parts as well as off-the-shelf components, and a centrifuge built from an
egg-beater! More plans and information are available at:
http://teklalabs.org/ and more information about the Cell-Scope is
available here:

http://cellscope.berkeley.edu/ .
Tekla Labs is a University of California student run organization whose
goal is to address the needs of researchers in developing countries in need
of quality lab equipment. Tekla Labs is developing the plans necessary to
build and test this equipment out of commonly available local materials or
cheaply imported materials. Though in its early stage, Tekla Labs has
already generated excitement from laboratories in such diverse places as
Egypt and Panama.
*Where: *Ace Monster Toys Global Headquarters
*When:* January 23rd, AMT meeting is at 7:30pm, presentation starts at 8pm
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From drorex at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 16:32:26 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 16:32:26 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Presentation at this weeks Thursday meeting
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXeK+FB3+F9Z8MHLoj2ASEZ-ZER0wF7=8Bh58mBatuHeU=g@mail.gmail.com>
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UPDATE: Thursday is the 26th, not 23rd. So much for proofreading...

On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 4:29 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:

> Special feature for this weeks meeting:
>
> Tekla Labs will be announcing a 3D Printed Design Competition at Ace
> Monster Toys. Some of the designs already produced by them and their
> affiliates will be presented. They will demonstrate the Cell-Scope
> (CellScope Inc.), a cell-phone based microscope constructed of 3D printed
> parts as well as off-the-shelf components, and a centrifuge built from an
> egg-beater! More plans and information are available at:
> http://teklalabs.org/ and more information about the Cell-Scope is
> available here:
>
> http://cellscope.berkeley.edu/ .
> Tekla Labs is a University of California student run organization whose
> goal is to address the needs of researchers in developing countries in need
> of quality lab equipment. Tekla Labs is developing the plans necessary to
> build and test this equipment out of commonly available local materials or
> cheaply imported materials. Though in its early stage, Tekla Labs has
> already generated excitement from laboratories in such diverse places as
> Egypt and Panama.
> *Where: *Ace Monster Toys Global Headquarters
> *When:* January 26rd, AMT meeting is at 7:30pm, presentation starts at 8pm
>
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From myles at tenhand.com  Mon Jan 23 17:58:13 2012
From: myles at tenhand.com (myles)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:58:13 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Open WRT development and router update
Message-ID: <735D3EF6-67D8-4722-8717-002299058D58@tenhand.com>


The bad news is that I  didn't order the routers sufficiently early. They got caught in the lunar new years festivities and won't be going anywhere for another week or so. 

I did get a VM for wrt development set up. Shortly thereafter I learned how to recover a bricked device using the serial port.  All documented up at  http://wiki.acemonstertoys.org/Tp-linkBuildVM

Not documented is just how broken the packaging system is for wireless modules & how frustrating it is that the library stripping doesn't work. (I don't want to offend the developers). 

The VM is 12Gb. Is there a good place to stash it for anyone who wants a copy? 




From lee.shoe at gmail.com  Tue Jan 24 06:53:49 2012
From: lee.shoe at gmail.com (tim shores)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 06:53:49 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] drone
Message-ID: <CABhgFD28=K1YKxQc2-K-BYBnsSrDYMg4asvyYS0J4yB=PfQe=w@mail.gmail.com>

http://m.jalopnik.com/5878689/a-drone-spotted-this-disgusting-river-of-meat-blood-in-texas

-tim
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From drorex at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 10:34:12 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:34:12 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Need members to show up tonight for RC/drone night
Message-ID: <CACAQXe+P2oNTn2k0QdS1-5nM8bmHmTxBKqi_C+EVtUMxo4GY2A@mail.gmail.com>

Some cool UAV people are coming tonight, and it's unclear if any AMT
members will actually be there. Will make us look bad if they show up to
talk about their stuff and can't get in the building. Can anyone come from
7-9pm tonight?

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Cliff L. Biffle <biff at cliffle.com> wrote:

> It's not a class per se, but I've invited some folks from the DIY Drones
> community to the drone/RC night on the 25th.  With any luck Chris Anderson
> will come by, so if people have questions about the Ardupilot hardware (or
> if they need help finishing, say, their EasyStar that's been sitting in the
> space for months) this is your chance.
>
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Al Jigong Billings <albill at openbuddha.com
> > wrote:
>
>> There have been a number of discussions about upcoming classes and
>> workshops but I don't think any of them have been scheduled.
>>
>> Myles, when are you going to run your Ham radio technician license cram?
>>
>> Is anyone else willing to run a class in the next month?
>>
>> Al
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cliff L. Biffle
> http://cliffle.com/
>
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From romanian at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 10:36:03 2012
From: romanian at gmail.com (Stefan Hristu)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:36:03 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Need members to show up tonight for RC/drone night
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXe+P2oNTn2k0QdS1-5nM8bmHmTxBKqi_C+EVtUMxo4GY2A@mail.gmail.com>
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I will be there, working.
On Jan 25, 2012 10:34 AM, "David Rorex" <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:

> Some cool UAV people are coming tonight, and it's unclear if any AMT
> members will actually be there. Will make us look bad if they show up to
> talk about their stuff and can't get in the building. Can anyone come from
> 7-9pm tonight?
>
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Cliff L. Biffle <biff at cliffle.com> wrote:
>
>> It's not a class per se, but I've invited some folks from the DIY Drones
>> community to the drone/RC night on the 25th.  With any luck Chris Anderson
>> will come by, so if people have questions about the Ardupilot hardware (or
>> if they need help finishing, say, their EasyStar that's been sitting in the
>> space for months) this is your chance.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Al Jigong Billings <
>> albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
>>
>>> There have been a number of discussions about upcoming classes and
>>> workshops but I don't think any of them have been scheduled.
>>>
>>> Myles, when are you going to run your Ham radio technician license cram?
>>>
>>> Is anyone else willing to run a class in the next month?
>>>
>>> Al
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cliff L. Biffle
>> http://cliffle.com/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
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>>
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Wed Jan 25 10:36:58 2012
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigong Billings)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:36:58 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Need members to show up tonight for RC/drone night
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXe+P2oNTn2k0QdS1-5nM8bmHmTxBKqi_C+EVtUMxo4GY2A@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <4F204BCA.7080004@openbuddha.com>

To be clear, Aaron was the organizer of these Wednesday nights but he's
largely in Sacramento right now. I'm the only other person working on
drone related stuff but I'm 50 miles away for work on Wednesdays so it
has never been possible for me to be at the space for it at 7:00 PM.

So, we have visitors showing up to a UAV night that has no current hosts
(and probably should be taken off the calendar as an ongoing event).

Al

On 1/25/12 10:34 AM, David Rorex wrote:
> Some cool UAV people are coming tonight, and it's unclear if any AMT
> members will actually be there. Will make us look bad if they show up
> to talk about their stuff and can't get in the building. Can anyone
> come from 7-9pm tonight?
>
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Cliff L. Biffle <biff at cliffle.com
> <mailto:biff at cliffle.com>> wrote:
>
>     It's not a class per se, but I've invited some folks from the DIY
>     Drones community to the drone/RC night on the 25th.  With any luck
>     Chris Anderson will come by, so if people have questions about the
>     Ardupilot hardware (or if they need help finishing, say, their
>     EasyStar that's been sitting in the space for months) this is your
>     chance.
>
>     On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Al Jigong Billings
>     <albill at openbuddha.com <mailto:albill at openbuddha.com>> wrote:
>
>         There have been a number of discussions about upcoming classes and
>         workshops but I don't think any of them have been scheduled.
>
>         Myles, when are you going to run your Ham radio technician
>         license cram?
>
>         Is anyone else willing to run a class in the next month?
>
>         Al
>         _______________________________________________
>         Discuss mailing list
>         Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>         <mailto:Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org>
>         http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
>
>
>
>     -- 
>     Cliff L. Biffle
>     http://cliffle.com/
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     Discuss mailing list
>     Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>     <mailto:Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org>
>     http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
>
>
>
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From slick at rebelbase.com  Wed Jan 25 13:36:08 2012
From: slick at rebelbase.com (slick)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 13:36:08 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Need members to show up tonight for RC/drone night
In-Reply-To: <4F204BCA.7080004@openbuddha.com>
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I agree that it should probably be taken off the calendar as a regular
event.  I'll be down tomorrow night for the meeting, but I have to be
in Sac during the day so tomorrow I can't make down tonight.

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Al Jigong Billings
<albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> To be clear, Aaron was the organizer of these Wednesday nights but he's
> largely in Sacramento right now. I'm the only other person working on drone
> related stuff but I'm 50 miles away for work on Wednesdays so it has never
> been possible for me to be at the space for it at 7:00 PM.
>
> So, we have visitors showing up to a UAV night that has no current hosts
> (and probably should be taken off the calendar as an ongoing event).
>
> Al
>
>
> On 1/25/12 10:34 AM, David Rorex wrote:
>
> Some cool UAV people are coming tonight, and it's unclear if any AMT members
> will actually be there. Will make us look bad if they show up to talk about
> their stuff and can't get in the building. Can anyone come from 7-9pm
> tonight?
>
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Cliff L. Biffle <biff at cliffle.com> wrote:
>>
>> It's not a class per se, but I've invited some folks from the DIY Drones
>> community to the drone/RC night on the 25th. ?With any luck Chris Anderson
>> will come by, so if people have questions about the Ardupilot hardware (or
>> if they need help finishing, say, their EasyStar that's been sitting in the
>> space for months) this is your chance.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Al Jigong Billings
>> <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> There have been a number of discussions about upcoming classes and
>>> workshops but I don't think any of them have been scheduled.
>>>
>>> Myles, when are you going to run your Ham radio technician license cram?
>>>
>>> Is anyone else willing to run a class in the next month?
>>>
>>> Al
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cliff L. Biffle
>> http://cliffle.com/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>


From biff at cliffle.com  Wed Jan 25 17:11:10 2012
From: biff at cliffle.com (Cliff L. Biffle)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 17:11:10 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Need members to show up tonight for RC/drone night
In-Reply-To: <4F204BCA.7080004@openbuddha.com>
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On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Al Jigong Billings
<albill at openbuddha.com>wrote:

>  To be clear, Aaron was the organizer of these Wednesday nights but he's
> largely in Sacramento right now. I'm the only other person working on drone
> related stuff
>

Not exactly true.  I'll handle tonight.

-- 
Cliff L. Biffle
http://cliffle.com/
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Wed Jan 25 17:13:20 2012
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigong Billings)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 17:13:20 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Need members to show up tonight for RC/drone night
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On 1/25/12 5:11 PM, Cliff L. Biffle wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Al Jigong Billings
> <albill at openbuddha.com <mailto:albill at openbuddha.com>> wrote:
>
>     To be clear, Aaron was the organizer of these Wednesday nights but
>     he's largely in Sacramento right now. I'm the only other person
>     working on drone related stuff
>
>
> Not exactly true.  I'll handle tonight.
>

Ah, I didn't know you were doing drone stuff now.

Good to know this is covered since I'm still in Mountain View.

Al
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From romanian at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 17:14:42 2012
From: romanian at gmail.com (Stefan Hristu)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 17:14:42 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Need members to show up tonight for RC/drone night
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Dunno why the big fuss... I'm here all evening tonight and i would like at
some point to make a small quad... should be interesting to see what others
are using.
 On Jan 25, 2012 5:11 PM, "Cliff L. Biffle" <biff at cliffle.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Al Jigong Billings <
> albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
>
>>  To be clear, Aaron was the organizer of these Wednesday nights but he's
>> largely in Sacramento right now. I'm the only other person working on drone
>> related stuff
>>
>
> Not exactly true.  I'll handle tonight.
>
> --
> Cliff L. Biffle
> http://cliffle.com/
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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From drorex at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 17:21:20 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 17:21:20 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Crewmembers needed for spaceship mission
Message-ID: <CACAQXeKx6U+NO5VADAmFPy1n_To2gBQMEVQO_E=-BRPqTSs59w@mail.gmail.com>

I found an awesome looking game, it's a spaceship bridge simulator. I need
people to be the crew, the game takes up to six people (having all spots
filled is ideal):

Captain
Helm
Weapons
Engineering
Comms
Science

Overview of their responsibilities:
http://artemiswiki.pbworks.com/w/page/44188987/Station%20overviews
Sample video of what we will be doing:
http://youtu.be/72XhdVqDT1g(uniforms optional)

Who's up for friday night? We can use the projector at the space for our
main screen, it'll be awesome!
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Wed Jan 25 17:23:21 2012
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigong Billings)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 17:23:21 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Need members to show up tonight for RC/drone night
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Message-ID: <4F20AB09.70409@openbuddha.com>

My only fear is that they would show up and neither Aaron or I would be
there since the meeting is basically cancelled (and I had David
officially do so earlier today) and they would be locked out and we'd
look bad.

On 1/25/12 5:14 PM, Stefan Hristu wrote:
>
> Dunno why the big fuss... I'm here all evening tonight and i would
> like at some point to make a small quad... should be interesting to
> see what others are using.
>
> On Jan 25, 2012 5:11 PM, "Cliff L. Biffle" <biff at cliffle.com
> <mailto:biff at cliffle.com>> wrote:
>
>     On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Al Jigong Billings
>     <albill at openbuddha.com <mailto:albill at openbuddha.com>> wrote:
>
>         To be clear, Aaron was the organizer of these Wednesday nights
>         but he's largely in Sacramento right now. I'm the only other
>         person working on drone related stuff
>
>
>     Not exactly true.  I'll handle tonight.
>      
>     -- 
>     Cliff L. Biffle
>     http://cliffle.com/
>

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From albill at openbuddha.com  Wed Jan 25 17:24:52 2012
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigong Billings)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 17:24:52 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Crewmembers needed for spaceship mission
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXeKx6U+NO5VADAmFPy1n_To2gBQMEVQO_E=-BRPqTSs59w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACAQXeKx6U+NO5VADAmFPy1n_To2gBQMEVQO_E=-BRPqTSs59w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F20AB64.9040103@openbuddha.com>

On 1/25/12 5:21 PM, David Rorex wrote:
> I found an awesome looking game, it's a spaceship bridge simulator. I
> need people to be the crew, the game takes up to six people (having
> all spots filled is ideal):
>
> Captain
> Helm
> Weapons
> Engineering
> Comms
> Science
>
> Overview of their
> responsibilities: http://artemiswiki.pbworks.com/w/page/44188987/Station%20overviews
> Sample video of what we will be doing: http://youtu.be/72XhdVqDT1g
> (uniforms optional)
>
> Who's up for friday night? We can use the projector at the space for
> our main screen, it'll be awesome!
>

As long as it is 7:30 or later, I'm in!!

Al



From alexhandy at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 17:48:07 2012
From: alexhandy at gmail.com (Alex Handy)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 17:48:07 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Crewmembers needed for spaceship mission
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXeKx6U+NO5VADAmFPy1n_To2gBQMEVQO_E=-BRPqTSs59w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACAQXeKx6U+NO5VADAmFPy1n_To2gBQMEVQO_E=-BRPqTSs59w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA=2GR=+6zZNirr6O+v8HHAFQ+Phzhs3-Ybpb3Ehwatp0pbKqA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey guys. I've heard of this game and have wanted to play it for some time.
The MADE would be a great place to play. Pick a time!

Http://www.themade.org

We have a meeting at 7 tonight...
On Jan 25, 2012 5:21 PM, "David Rorex" <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:

> I found an awesome looking game, it's a spaceship bridge simulator. I need
> people to be the crew, the game takes up to six people (having all spots
> filled is ideal):
>
> Captain
> Helm
> Weapons
> Engineering
> Comms
> Science
>
> Overview of their responsibilities:
> http://artemiswiki.pbworks.com/w/page/44188987/Station%20overviews
> Sample video of what we will be doing: http://youtu.be/72XhdVqDT1g(uniforms optional)
>
> Who's up for friday night? We can use the projector at the space for our
> main screen, it'll be awesome!
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
>
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Wed Jan 25 17:49:54 2012
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigong Billings)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 17:49:54 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Crewmembers needed for spaceship mission
In-Reply-To: <CAA=2GR=+6zZNirr6O+v8HHAFQ+Phzhs3-Ybpb3Ehwatp0pbKqA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACAQXeKx6U+NO5VADAmFPy1n_To2gBQMEVQO_E=-BRPqTSs59w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAA=2GR=+6zZNirr6O+v8HHAFQ+Phzhs3-Ybpb3Ehwatp0pbKqA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F20B142.80808@openbuddha.com>

On 1/25/12 5:48 PM, Alex Handy wrote:
>
> 've heard of this game and have wanted to play it for some time. The
> MADE would be a great place to play. Pick a time!
>
> Http://www.themade.org
>
> We have a meeting at 7 tonight...
>

Or we could just play at AMT on Friday! :-)

Al



From alexhandy at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 18:12:32 2012
From: alexhandy at gmail.com (Alex Handy)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 18:12:32 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Crewmembers needed for spaceship mission
In-Reply-To: <4F20B142.80808@openbuddha.com>
References: <CACAQXeKx6U+NO5VADAmFPy1n_To2gBQMEVQO_E=-BRPqTSs59w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAA=2GR=+6zZNirr6O+v8HHAFQ+Phzhs3-Ybpb3Ehwatp0pbKqA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAA=2GRmjqdFUXPw+LA-YCTn8giyXR_ExNVr=U-R22TjdOznzag@mail.gmail.com>

Well, let me know when all stations are personed!
On Jan 25, 2012 5:50 PM, "Al Jigong Billings" <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:

> On 1/25/12 5:48 PM, Alex Handy wrote:
> >
> > 've heard of this game and have wanted to play it for some time. The
> > MADE would be a great place to play. Pick a time!
> >
> > Http://www.themade.org
> >
> > We have a meeting at 7 tonight...
> >
>
> Or we could just play at AMT on Friday! :-)
>
> Al
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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From hephaestus at antipunk.net  Wed Jan 25 19:29:38 2012
From: hephaestus at antipunk.net (Hephaestus)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 19:29:38 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Crewmembers needed for spaceship mission
In-Reply-To: <CAA=2GRmjqdFUXPw+LA-YCTn8giyXR_ExNVr=U-R22TjdOznzag@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACAQXeKx6U+NO5VADAmFPy1n_To2gBQMEVQO_E=-BRPqTSs59w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAA=2GR=+6zZNirr6O+v8HHAFQ+Phzhs3-Ybpb3Ehwatp0pbKqA@mail.gmail.com>
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Bah, I want to play this so bad, but it's my friend's birthday party Friday =(

If you turn it into a regular thing, let me know. I am so very very very down =]

--
Heph

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Alex Handy <alexhandy at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, let me know when all stations are personed!
>
> On Jan 25, 2012 5:50 PM, "Al Jigong Billings" <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 1/25/12 5:48 PM, Alex Handy wrote:
>> >
>> > 've heard of this game and have wanted to play it for some time. The
>> > MADE would be a great place to play. Pick a time!
>> >
>> > Http://www.themade.org
>> >
>> > We have a meeting at 7 tonight...
>> >
>>
>> Or we could just play at AMT on Friday! :-)
>>
>> Al
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>


From interrupt80h at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 19:31:41 2012
From: interrupt80h at gmail.com (interrupt80h at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 19:31:41 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Crewmembers needed for spaceship mission
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXeKx6U+NO5VADAmFPy1n_To2gBQMEVQO_E=-BRPqTSs59w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACAQXeKx6U+NO5VADAmFPy1n_To2gBQMEVQO_E=-BRPqTSs59w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM-dY3FtTsucRGxxirHHGgjzAVBt7PqWP9Gjad1m3eFzV9_vZQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'm willing to give this a shot. I'd take Comms

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 5:21 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
> I found an awesome looking game, it's a spaceship bridge simulator. I need
> people to be the crew, the game takes up to six people (having all spots
> filled is ideal):
>
> Captain
> Helm
> Weapons
> Engineering
> Comms
> Science
>
> Overview of their
> responsibilities:?http://artemiswiki.pbworks.com/w/page/44188987/Station%20overviews
> Sample video of what we will be doing: http://youtu.be/72XhdVqDT1g (uniforms
> optional)
>
> Who's up for friday night? We can use the projector at the space for our
> main screen, it'll be awesome!
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>


From drorex at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 19:35:47 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 19:35:47 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Crewmembers needed for spaceship mission
In-Reply-To: <CABZdcA=uAZo2SQV0E=TxmzvPccUP4SFFRuvRHDfVt95Tcawwcw@mail.gmail.com>
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The day's not set in stone yet. How about everyone who's interested fill
out this quick survey which day you have some spare time:
http://whenisgood.net/m3yn84a

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Hephaestus <hephaestus at antipunk.net> wrote:

> Bah, I want to play this so bad, but it's my friend's birthday party
> Friday =(
>
> If you turn it into a regular thing, let me know. I am so very very very
> down =]
>
> --
> Heph
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Alex Handy <alexhandy at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Well, let me know when all stations are personed!
> >
> > On Jan 25, 2012 5:50 PM, "Al Jigong Billings" <albill at openbuddha.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 1/25/12 5:48 PM, Alex Handy wrote:
> >> >
> >> > 've heard of this game and have wanted to play it for some time. The
> >> > MADE would be a great place to play. Pick a time!
> >> >
> >> > Http://www.themade.org
> >> >
> >> > We have a meeting at 7 tonight...
> >> >
> >>
> >> Or we could just play at AMT on Friday! :-)
> >>
> >> Al
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Discuss mailing list
> >> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> >> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Discuss mailing list
> > Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> >
> _______________________________________________
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From hackshack at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 20:13:52 2012
From: hackshack at gmail.com (The Hack Shack)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 20:13:52 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Crewmembers needed for spaceship mission
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXeJUDO4RUGivOaSWJKiJHBiFG1Z+F4Xy35oT3RLrheSamA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACAQXeKx6U+NO5VADAmFPy1n_To2gBQMEVQO_E=-BRPqTSs59w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAA=2GR=+6zZNirr6O+v8HHAFQ+Phzhs3-Ybpb3Ehwatp0pbKqA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CACAQXeJUDO4RUGivOaSWJKiJHBiFG1Z+F4Xy35oT3RLrheSamA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello! This is my inaugural post on the AMT list (long time list lurker). This game sounds awesome; I wonder how much we're allowed to ham it up.

David, I signed up for the 29th. I'd be interested in engineering, science, or weapons.

Asa

On Jan 25, 2012, at 7:35 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:

> The day's not set in stone yet. How about everyone who's interested fill out this quick survey which day you have some spare time:
> http://whenisgood.net/m3yn84a 
> 
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Hephaestus <hephaestus at antipunk.net> wrote:
> Bah, I want to play this so bad, but it's my friend's birthday party Friday =(
> 
> If you turn it into a regular thing, let me know. I am so very very very down =]
> 
> --
> Heph
> 
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Alex Handy <alexhandy at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Well, let me know when all stations are personed!
> >
> > On Jan 25, 2012 5:50 PM, "Al Jigong Billings" <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 1/25/12 5:48 PM, Alex Handy wrote:
> >> >
> >> > 've heard of this game and have wanted to play it for some time. The
> >> > MADE would be a great place to play. Pick a time!
> >> >
> >> > Http://www.themade.org
> >> >
> >> > We have a meeting at 7 tonight...
> >> >
> >>
> >> Or we could just play at AMT on Friday! :-)
> >>
> >> Al
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Discuss mailing list
> >> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> >> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Discuss mailing list
> > Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Wed Jan 25 20:15:41 2012
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigong Billings)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 20:15:41 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Crewmembers needed for spaceship mission
In-Reply-To: <8004BF11-2B3F-4085-BCC3-280B2A8A49CB@gmail.com>
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	<CAA=2GR=+6zZNirr6O+v8HHAFQ+Phzhs3-Ybpb3Ehwatp0pbKqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F20B142.80808@openbuddha.com>
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	<CABZdcA=uAZo2SQV0E=TxmzvPccUP4SFFRuvRHDfVt95Tcawwcw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACAQXeJUDO4RUGivOaSWJKiJHBiFG1Z+F4Xy35oT3RLrheSamA@mail.gmail.com>
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As much as you can?

On Jan 25, 2012, at 8:13 PM, The Hack Shack wrote:

> This game sounds awesome; I wonder how much we're allowed to ham it up.

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From rachel at xtreme.com  Wed Jan 25 20:17:38 2012
From: rachel at xtreme.com (Rachel McConnell)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 20:17:38 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Crewmembers needed for spaceship mission
In-Reply-To: <CABZdcA=uAZo2SQV0E=TxmzvPccUP4SFFRuvRHDfVt95Tcawwcw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACAQXeKx6U+NO5VADAmFPy1n_To2gBQMEVQO_E=-BRPqTSs59w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAA=2GR=+6zZNirr6O+v8HHAFQ+Phzhs3-Ybpb3Ehwatp0pbKqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F20B142.80808@openbuddha.com>
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Message-ID: <4F20D3E2.7000501@xtreme.com>

Ditto what Heph says!  Except Cheshire Rock Opera rather than birthday 
party...  I'll fill out the whenisgood thingie.  (Hi everyone :)

Rachel

On 1/25/12 7:29 PM, Hephaestus wrote:
> Bah, I want to play this so bad, but it's my friend's birthday party Friday =(
>
> If you turn it into a regular thing, let me know. I am so very very very down =]
>
> --
> Heph
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Alex Handy<alexhandy at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> Well, let me know when all stations are personed!
>>
>> On Jan 25, 2012 5:50 PM, "Al Jigong Billings"<albill at openbuddha.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>> On 1/25/12 5:48 PM, Alex Handy wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 've heard of this game and have wanted to play it for some time. The
>>>> MADE would be a great place to play. Pick a time!
>>>>
>>>> Http://www.themade.org
>>>>
>>>> We have a meeting at 7 tonight...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Or we could just play at AMT on Friday! :-)
>>>
>>> Al
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss


From drorex at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 21:40:25 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 21:40:25 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Crewmembers needed for spaceship mission
In-Reply-To: <4F20D3E2.7000501@xtreme.com>
References: <CACAQXeKx6U+NO5VADAmFPy1n_To2gBQMEVQO_E=-BRPqTSs59w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAA=2GR=+6zZNirr6O+v8HHAFQ+Phzhs3-Ybpb3Ehwatp0pbKqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F20B142.80808@openbuddha.com>
	<CAA=2GRmjqdFUXPw+LA-YCTn8giyXR_ExNVr=U-R22TjdOznzag@mail.gmail.com>
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Awesome...if everyone who replied to this just fills out the survey (fill
in which out of three days you are able to make it), I think we might have
the full 6 people. If we have too many people for one ship, supposedly it's
possible to pilot ships against each other, which might be kind of
hilarious.

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com> wrote:

> Ditto what Heph says!  Except Cheshire Rock Opera rather than birthday
> party...  I'll fill out the whenisgood thingie.  (Hi everyone :)
>
> Rachel
>
>
> On 1/25/12 7:29 PM, Hephaestus wrote:
>
>> Bah, I want to play this so bad, but it's my friend's birthday party
>> Friday =(
>>
>> If you turn it into a regular thing, let me know. I am so very very very
>> down =]
>>
>> --
>> Heph
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Alex Handy<alexhandy at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> Well, let me know when all stations are personed!
>>>
>>> On Jan 25, 2012 5:50 PM, "Al Jigong Billings"<albill at openbuddha.**com<albill at openbuddha.com>>
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/25/12 5:48 PM, Alex Handy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 've heard of this game and have wanted to play it for some time. The
>>>>> MADE would be a great place to play. Pick a time!
>>>>>
>>>>> Http://www.themade.org
>>>>>
>>>>> We have a meeting at 7 tonight...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Or we could just play at AMT on Friday! :-)
>>>>
>>>> Al
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>> Discuss mailing list
>>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.**org <Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org>
>>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.**org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/**discuss<http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________**_________________
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>>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.**org <Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org>
>>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.**org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/**discuss<http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss>
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From onno at gmx.net  Wed Jan 25 23:10:50 2012
From: onno at gmx.net (Onno Kortmann)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 23:10:50 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Still laser problems
Message-ID: <4F20FC7A.9040600@gmx.net>

Hi all,

I just tried to cut and I think I should notice the following, just FYI:

The adjustment laser is out of whack so I tried to adjust the height 
from memory. I am pretty sure that the Z-axis wasn't too far off from 
its correct setting.

I tried to cut cardboard with a total of

2x 200mm/90% power+ 2x 100mm/90% power

_ALL_ on the same piece of cardboard, with a slight variation in Z. The 
cut didn't go through!

Mark just says that I should note here also that a while ago, the tip of 
the cone where the beam exits got very hot while cutting. He suspects 
part of the beam not to exit through the hole but hitting the cone walls 
instead.

Cheers,

Onno



From robertcook at gmail.com  Thu Jan 26 05:11:09 2012
From: robertcook at gmail.com (Robert Cook)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 05:11:09 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Still laser problems
In-Reply-To: <4F20FC7A.9040600@gmx.net>
References: <4F20FC7A.9040600@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <8DEEF2D9-A5AF-472C-928A-426E96CFBD98@gmail.com>

I suspect that might be true.  Costa was trying to get the focal plane to be further from the tip and may have overdone it.  

We all need training, and the laser cutter needs to be fixed as its been working poorly for several weeks now.  David is the man to do the training and the immediate fixing.  The hope is that this could be his last time doing either. 

Also, Stefan and I didn't find the replacement lens -- only the engraving lens.  I will order replacements today. 



On Jan 25, 2012, at 11:10 PM, Onno Kortmann <onno at gmx.net> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I just tried to cut and I think I should notice the following, just FYI:
> 
> The adjustment laser is out of whack so I tried to adjust the height from memory. I am pretty sure that the Z-axis wasn't too far off from its correct setting.
> 
> I tried to cut cardboard with a total of
> 
> 2x 200mm/90% power+ 2x 100mm/90% power
> 
> _ALL_ on the same piece of cardboard, with a slight variation in Z. The cut didn't go through!
> 
> Mark just says that I should note here also that a while ago, the tip of the cone where the beam exits got very hot while cutting. He suspects part of the beam not to exit through the hole but hitting the cone walls instead.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Onno
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss


From garrattgallagher at gmail.com  Thu Jan 26 08:03:20 2012
From: garrattgallagher at gmail.com (Garratt Gallagher)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 08:03:20 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Still laser problems
In-Reply-To: <8DEEF2D9-A5AF-472C-928A-426E96CFBD98@gmail.com>
References: <4F20FC7A.9040600@gmx.net>
	<8DEEF2D9-A5AF-472C-928A-426E96CFBD98@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKsYZbPfOjUjpkEY7fjF2uGSPUW8C-d2TN1y2XNVo1pOEWmLaQ@mail.gmail.com>

I can confirm that the focal plane is much farther away.  I did some tests
a few weeks ago, and the focal plane was just milimeters from the tip; when
I tested on Tuesday, the focal plane had moved down to a few centimeters.

More disturbingly, the laser never gets as focused as it used to be (
judging by how widely it cuts)  and the focus varies across the y axis (
which I verified by making test cuts at different places in the cutting
area)

Garratt
On Jan 26, 2012 5:11 AM, "Robert Cook" <robertcook at gmail.com> wrote:

> I suspect that might be true.  Costa was trying to get the focal plane to
> be further from the tip and may have overdone it.
>
> We all need training, and the laser cutter needs to be fixed as its been
> working poorly for several weeks now.  David is the man to do the training
> and the immediate fixing.  The hope is that this could be his last time
> doing either.
>
> Also, Stefan and I didn't find the replacement lens -- only the engraving
> lens.  I will order replacements today.
>
>
>
> On Jan 25, 2012, at 11:10 PM, Onno Kortmann <onno at gmx.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I just tried to cut and I think I should notice the following, just FYI:
> >
> > The adjustment laser is out of whack so I tried to adjust the height
> from memory. I am pretty sure that the Z-axis wasn't too far off from its
> correct setting.
> >
> > I tried to cut cardboard with a total of
> >
> > 2x 200mm/90% power+ 2x 100mm/90% power
> >
> > _ALL_ on the same piece of cardboard, with a slight variation in Z. The
> cut didn't go through!
> >
> > Mark just says that I should note here also that a while ago, the tip of
> the cone where the beam exits got very hot while cutting. He suspects part
> of the beam not to exit through the hole but hitting the cone walls instead.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Onno
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Discuss mailing list
> > Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Thu Jan 26 09:04:03 2012
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigong Billings)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 09:04:03 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Still laser problems
In-Reply-To: <CAKsYZbPfOjUjpkEY7fjF2uGSPUW8C-d2TN1y2XNVo1pOEWmLaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F20FC7A.9040600@gmx.net>
	<8DEEF2D9-A5AF-472C-928A-426E96CFBD98@gmail.com>
	<CAKsYZbPfOjUjpkEY7fjF2uGSPUW8C-d2TN1y2XNVo1pOEWmLaQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <59C25BF2-60F3-4FF1-A1BF-9D821111135B@openbuddha.com>

Do we need to put in the replacement lens?

On Jan 26, 2012, at 8:03 AM, Garratt Gallagher <garrattgallagher at gmail.com> wrote:

> I can confirm that the focal plane is much farther away.  I did some tests a few weeks ago, and the focal plane was just milimeters from the tip; when I tested on Tuesday, the focal plane had moved down to a few centimeters.
> 
> More disturbingly, the laser never gets as focused as it used to be ( judging by how widely it cuts)  and the focus varies across the y axis ( which I verified by making test cuts at different places in the cutting area)
> 
> Garratt
> 
> On Jan 26, 2012 5:11 AM, "Robert Cook" <robertcook at gmail.com> wrote:
> I suspect that might be true.  Costa was trying to get the focal plane to be further from the tip and may have overdone it.
> 
> We all need training, and the laser cutter needs to be fixed as its been working poorly for several weeks now.  David is the man to do the training and the immediate fixing.  The hope is that this could be his last time doing either.
> 
> Also, Stefan and I didn't find the replacement lens -- only the engraving lens.  I will order replacements today.
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 25, 2012, at 11:10 PM, Onno Kortmann <onno at gmx.net> wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I just tried to cut and I think I should notice the following, just FYI:
> >
> > The adjustment laser is out of whack so I tried to adjust the height from memory. I am pretty sure that the Z-axis wasn't too far off from its correct setting.
> >
> > I tried to cut cardboard with a total of
> >
> > 2x 200mm/90% power+ 2x 100mm/90% power
> >
> > _ALL_ on the same piece of cardboard, with a slight variation in Z. The cut didn't go through!
> >
> > Mark just says that I should note here also that a while ago, the tip of the cone where the beam exits got very hot while cutting. He suspects part of the beam not to exit through the hole but hitting the cone walls instead.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Onno
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Discuss mailing list
> > Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
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From robertcook at gmail.com  Thu Jan 26 09:08:41 2012
From: robertcook at gmail.com (Robert Cook)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 09:08:41 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Still laser problems
In-Reply-To: <59C25BF2-60F3-4FF1-A1BF-9D821111135B@openbuddha.com>
References: <4F20FC7A.9040600@gmx.net>
	<8DEEF2D9-A5AF-472C-928A-426E96CFBD98@gmail.com>
	<CAKsYZbPfOjUjpkEY7fjF2uGSPUW8C-d2TN1y2XNVo1pOEWmLaQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<59C25BF2-60F3-4FF1-A1BF-9D821111135B@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <C8DC96C8-8802-4C82-B52D-644C7BD1D3ED@gmail.com>

There is no replacement lens that Stefan and I could find.  I will order a new one once I get the specifics from David.

That said, this sounds like there are probably at least two other problems apart from the lens missing its antireflective coating.

1. The focal point is now too far below the lens.
2. There is probably something wrong with the bed.  Perhaps its sloping?


On Jan 26, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Al Jigong Billings wrote:

> Do we need to put in the replacement lens?
> 
> On Jan 26, 2012, at 8:03 AM, Garratt Gallagher <garrattgallagher at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I can confirm that the focal plane is much farther away.  I did some tests a few weeks ago, and the focal plane was just milimeters from the tip; when I tested on Tuesday, the focal plane had moved down to a few centimeters.
>> 
>> More disturbingly, the laser never gets as focused as it used to be ( judging by how widely it cuts)  and the focus varies across the y axis ( which I verified by making test cuts at different places in the cutting area)
>> 
>> Garratt
>> 
>> On Jan 26, 2012 5:11 AM, "Robert Cook" <robertcook at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I suspect that might be true.  Costa was trying to get the focal plane to be further from the tip and may have overdone it.
>> 
>> We all need training, and the laser cutter needs to be fixed as its been working poorly for several weeks now.  David is the man to do the training and the immediate fixing.  The hope is that this could be his last time doing either.
>> 
>> Also, Stefan and I didn't find the replacement lens -- only the engraving lens.  I will order replacements today.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 25, 2012, at 11:10 PM, Onno Kortmann <onno at gmx.net> wrote:
>> 
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I just tried to cut and I think I should notice the following, just FYI:
>> >
>> > The adjustment laser is out of whack so I tried to adjust the height from memory. I am pretty sure that the Z-axis wasn't too far off from its correct setting.
>> >
>> > I tried to cut cardboard with a total of
>> >
>> > 2x 200mm/90% power+ 2x 100mm/90% power
>> >
>> > _ALL_ on the same piece of cardboard, with a slight variation in Z. The cut didn't go through!
>> >
>> > Mark just says that I should note here also that a while ago, the tip of the cone where the beam exits got very hot while cutting. He suspects part of the beam not to exit through the hole but hitting the cone walls instead.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Onno
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Discuss mailing list
>> > Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> _______________________________________________
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From romanian at gmail.com  Thu Jan 26 09:40:39 2012
From: romanian at gmail.com (Stefan Hristu)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 09:40:39 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Still laser problems
In-Reply-To: <C8DC96C8-8802-4C82-B52D-644C7BD1D3ED@gmail.com>
References: <4F20FC7A.9040600@gmx.net>
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To add to the debacle, I wanted to offer this up as an interesting guide
for diagnosis:
http://www.ophiropt.com/co2-lasers-optics/focusing-lens/knowledge-center/lens-failure

Also, I hope that whoever installs the lens, makes sure the planar/concave
side points down :P

Stefan

On Thursday, January 26, 2012, Robert Cook <robertcook at gmail.com> wrote:
> There is no replacement lens that Stefan and I could find.  I will order
a new one once I get the specifics from David.
> That said, this sounds like there are probably at least two other
problems apart from the lens missing its antireflective coating.
> 1. The focal point is now too far below the lens.
> 2. There is probably something wrong with the bed.  Perhaps its sloping?
>
> On Jan 26, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Al Jigong Billings wrote:
>
> Do we need to put in the replacement lens?
>
> On Jan 26, 2012, at 8:03 AM, Garratt Gallagher <garrattgallagher at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> I can confirm that the focal plane is much farther away.  I did some
tests a few weeks ago, and the focal plane was just milimeters from the
tip; when I tested on Tuesday, the focal plane had moved down to a few
centimeters.
>
> More disturbingly, the laser never gets as focused as it used to be (
judging by how widely it cuts)  and the focus varies across the y axis (
which I verified by making test cuts at different places in the cutting
area)
>
> Garratt
>
> On Jan 26, 2012 5:11 AM, "Robert Cook" <robertcook at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I suspect that might be true.  Costa was trying to get the focal plane
to be further from the tip and may have overdone it.
>>
>> We all need training, and the laser cutter needs to be fixed as its been
working poorly for several weeks now.  David is the man to do the training
and the immediate fixing.  The hope is that this could be his last time
doing either.
>>
>> Also, Stefan and I didn't find the replacement lens -- only the
engraving lens.  I will order replacements today.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 25, 2012, at 11:10 PM, Onno Kortmann <onno at gmx.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I just tried to cut and I think I should notice the following, just
FYI:
>> >
>> > The adjustment laser is out of whack so I tried to adjust the height
from memory. I am pretty sure that the Z-axis wasn't too far off from its
correct setting.
>> >
>> > I tried to cut cardboard with a total of
>> >
>> > 2x 200mm/90% power+ 2x 100mm/90% power
>> >
>> > _ALL_ on the same piece of cardboard, with a slight variation in Z.
The cut didn't go through!
>> >
>> > Mark just says that I should note here also that a while ago, the tip
of the cone where the beam exits got very hot while cutting. He suspects
part of the beam not to exit through the hole but hitting the cone walls
instead.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Onno
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Discuss mailing list
>> > Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
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From drorex at gmail.com  Thu Jan 26 11:34:16 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 11:34:16 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Fwd: Thank you for participating in Open MAKE!
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Tinkering Studio <tinkering at exploratorium.edu>
Date: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:22 AM
Subject: Thank you for participating in Open MAKE!
To: drorex at gmail.com


Dear David,

Thank you for being part of our event last Saturday! On behalf of the whole
Tinkering Studio, let us say that we literally couldn't have done it
without you. Thanks for your generosity in sharing your passion and process
with an inquisitive crowd, and inspiring everyone in the audience to
approach "making" with slightly different eyes. We firmly believe in
demystifying the process of creating objects and works of art, and exposure
to people like you is a big step in the right direction.

I thought you might be interested in a couple of follow up articles. First
of all, you can access our official photographs of the event from our blog:

http://blogs.exploratorium.edu/tinkering/?p=5946

We'll add more in the following days, so keep checking back if you're
interested in how we process the event, and how we prepare for the next
series.

You can watch the webcast of the Meet the Makers interview here:
http://goo.gl/Xqzle
The individual interview segments are here:

I-Wei Huang:
http://youtu.be/sOgATqkVdEY

Nathan Sawaya:
http://youtu.be/gcVhKhJcNkI

Marek Michalowski:
http://youtu.be/uimS7OxmHC0

Emiko Oye and Shana Astrachan:
http://youtu.be/195J54NrimY

Also, c|net correspondent Seth Rosenblatt was roaming around Saturday, and
he published an article about his experience, with photos. You can find it
here: http://goo.gl/Ob1El

The Examiner wrote a little blurb about the event as well:
http://goo.gl/3GO2s

Again, thank you for your participation: you are now part of our family of
tinkerers!

Take care,
The Tinkering Studio Crew

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From romanian at gmail.com  Thu Jan 26 14:42:15 2012
From: romanian at gmail.com (Stefan Hristu)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:42:15 -0600
Subject: [AMTD] Member responsibilities while on premises
Message-ID: <CAPdpSwwQjYxeX14tji1n1SR=S6BvMz1_5M8786SGQpttfMvYRw@mail.gmail.com>

All members,

Please follow these two rules:

1. First person in the space, take out the AMT sign, place it
somewhere visible, in front of the building door. Also, make sure the
door phone is working by starting skype on the small white laptop,
near the large TV.
2. The last person to leave AMT, you must take the sign back in. This
is so no one steals, throws it away as trash or runs it over at night.
 - if you need help, please email the list and someone will reply asap.

These things are not very complicated to do and take very little of
your time, so please make sure to do them. As we are getting more
guests during the evenings, we need to stay on top of communication
and signage to allow community members to access the space while
members are present. I will address the phone/doorbell issue and the
infrastructure we have, at tonight's meeting, as we may have to change
the way we do this. Current process is not as reliable as it could be.

I am writing this reminder for two reasons:
 - There was a note on the door from folks that called last night and
were not able to reach anyone by phone or calling #214 from
downstairs.
 - The AMT sign was left out all night


Thanks and see you all at tonight's meeting!

Stefan


From onno at gmx.net  Fri Jan 27 02:19:48 2012
From: onno at gmx.net (Onno Kortmann)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 02:19:48 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Laser status
Message-ID: <20120127021948.9cf170d1.onno@gmx.net>

Hi all,

short update on the status of the Laser cutter:

I came late to the meeting, so I do not know what was discussed about the laser. But I talked to Dave (you still get laser time money from me :) and he was in the process of installing the other, engraving lens.

Mark and I took over after the laser head had been unscrewed and the two lenses were sitting on the table. We first checked the alignment of the two upstream mirrors with paper and then tried to center the spot on the last mirror with paper, without any lens in the system. This last mirror was completely misaligned. We saw this when we first tried to align by centering the unfocussed beam in the tube, using burn spots on paper. This method allowed us a rough alignment. We moved the X/Y-position to the four corners and checked that the beam was always there, same position.

With the help of Stephan, we finally used the following method to align the beam for the combination of the last mirror and the lens:

- Set laser power for the 'Laser' button to 5ms/90%
- Put laser head including the lens on, but disconnect air hose and screw off exit cone
- on a piece of wood, set the Z axis to smallest spot size
- usually now, the beam will come out of the lens under a large angle and that needs to be fixed:
- screw on cone, raise the table such that the wood almost touches the cone
- loosen the lens part and lower it so that the cone rests on the wood
- mark the position of the cone with a circle on the wood
- lift the lens tube back up and screw it tight
- unscrew the cone part
- align exit mirror until the laser button spots are in the middle of the marked circle
- screw on cone and attach air hose

It is very important that the beam exits the cone straight. As said, the cone heated up alot when cutting before, and that translates into a lot of laser power lost on the inside of the cone walls. 

The current setup has the old, 'bad' lens back into service, but the cuts are actually pretty decent now. A lot better what I got when I wrote the last mail. 

Also worth mentioning is that the alignment plate for the last mirror is not of very high quality. The aluminum plate that holds the last mirror sometimes gets caught in the thread of the upper spring-screw combination and then the uppermost aligment screw does not touch the plate below it anymore. By investing A LOT of time to carefully finding a sweet spot for this exit mirror, we have it in a position now where all three aligment screws safely touch the plate, AND the mirror is aligned well. This was a very tedious process today and I would suggest one doesn't mess with that mirror without a very good reason - finding the right setting there is pretty delicate.

I do not know the IOR of the lens material for 10um IR, but it seems to be very high. A small misaligment will make the beam exit under a big angle out of the lens. This is also why I suspect that an optical alignment isn't too helpful.

Oh, about the idea that came up that one might use a IR-filterless webcam to see the beam. I think it should be noted somewhere: No way. We are almost talking about microwaves here, this is far IR!

And regarding the idea that the missing coating on the lens might damage the tube because a larger fraction of laser power gets reflected back: I contest that idea. CO2 lasers are up to 20% efficient and I doubt that there is a significant fraction of those 20% being reflected back into the laser (even if it would be in phase with the resonator) - as the cutting works a lot better again! And the cooling of the tube already has to deal with the 80% waste...

Also, I put some black tape on the aligment screws, so that one can figure out the current settings.

Last but not least, we should really make sure that the air pump never gets disconnected from power - and maybe replace it with something more powerful, a compressor maybe?

Cheers,

Onno


From james.d.mulroy at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 03:18:47 2012
From: james.d.mulroy at gmail.com (James Mulroy)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 03:18:47 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Birmingham Mill
Message-ID: <CAC+6sma4GwWBXT5eZLHvjpFf=VV+K3DxCEsEFUNCX0Pci3TM1Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I was wondering who dropped off the Birmingham mill?  Is it on loan, or was
it donated?

I plan to help clean it up and get it running with one of the other
members, also I have machining experience and I'm in a machinist program.
 I noticed that the screw-in handles for the x and y axes are missing, does
the owner still have those?  Sure, you can use it by just turning the
wheel, but that would be a complete pain in the butt.  It sure would be
great if we could get those handles...

Also, I noticed that the mill doesn't have any locks for x,y, or z axes.
 Normally, on a larger machine, if you're cutting in one axis, you might
lock the other two so that it doesn't move.  This is especially true for
the z axis which can get bumped, or slowly move up as you're cutting a
block of metal.  And nobody wants an unintentional taper in the middle of
their part.  Do these smaller mills not normally come with a locking
mechanism for each axis?  I find it kind of bizarre.

And finally--let's suppose that at some point in the future that I come
across an old used full size milling machine--like a Bridgeport or a
Prototrak--maybe something that someone no longer wants in their personal
shop, or a school is getting rid of for cheap.  Would AMT be able to make
room for it if I took responsibility for keeping it running (granted,
people supply their own tooling).

-James

-- 
James Mulroy
Student Researcher
PCWorld Contributor <http://www.pcworld.com/author/James-Mulroy>
james.d.mulroy at gmail.com
510.269.3437
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From slick at rebelbase.com  Fri Jan 27 09:01:16 2012
From: slick at rebelbase.com (slick)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 09:01:16 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Birmingham Mill
In-Reply-To: <CAC+6sma4GwWBXT5eZLHvjpFf=VV+K3DxCEsEFUNCX0Pci3TM1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC+6sma4GwWBXT5eZLHvjpFf=VV+K3DxCEsEFUNCX0Pci3TM1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMmuSovQiHk1avsVoSReArk6X1ddM1mmhnhKkpVVTPkbY7GjMg@mail.gmail.com>

While I'd love to have a full sized knee mill in the joint, there are
more challenges in addition to space, they usually take 3 phase power,
and they are a pain in the ass to move. I think a bench top mill would
be much more suitable for our space.  Just my 2 cents.

As to the handles for the wheels on the little guy in there now, we
can turn some out of brass on the lathe if we can't get the originals.

On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 3:18 AM, James Mulroy <james.d.mulroy at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I was wondering who dropped off the Birmingham mill? ?Is it on loan, or was
> it donated?
>
> I plan to help clean it up and get it running with one of the other members,
> also I have machining experience and I'm in a machinist program. ?I noticed
> that the screw-in handles for the x and y axes are missing, does the owner
> still have those? ?Sure, you can use it by just turning the wheel, but that
> would be a complete pain in the butt. ?It sure would be great if we could
> get those handles...
>
> Also, I noticed that the mill doesn't have any locks for x,y, or z axes.
> ?Normally, on a larger machine, if you're cutting in one axis, you might
> lock the other two so that it doesn't move. ?This is especially true for the
> z axis which can get bumped, or slowly move up as you're cutting a block of
> metal. ?And nobody wants an unintentional taper in the middle of their part.
> ?Do these smaller mills not normally come with a locking mechanism for each
> axis? ?I find it kind of bizarre.
>
> And finally--let's suppose that at some point in the future that I come
> across an old used full size milling machine--like a Bridgeport or a
> Prototrak--maybe something that someone no longer wants in their personal
> shop, or a school is getting rid of for cheap. ?Would AMT be able to make
> room for it if I took responsibility for keeping it running (granted, people
> supply their own tooling).
>
> -James
>
> --
> James Mulroy
> Student Researcher
> PCWorld Contributor
> james.d.mulroy at gmail.com
> 510.269.3437
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>


From ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com  Fri Jan 27 09:11:09 2012
From: ccook at dirtylittlemonkey.com (Christopher Cook)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 09:11:09 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Laser status
In-Reply-To: <20120127021948.9cf170d1.onno@gmx.net>
References: <20120127021948.9cf170d1.onno@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <CAMDVYoYrq1P5kf_3tSan_oTsvDAW66ZY7JDZ2Madr4xj++kAdA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Onno!

On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 2:19 AM, Onno Kortmann <onno at gmx.net> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> short update on the status of the Laser cutter:
>
> I came late to the meeting, so I do not know what was discussed about the
> laser. But I talked to Dave (you still get laser time money from me :) and
> he was in the process of installing the other, engraving lens.
>
> Mark and I took over after the laser head had been unscrewed and the two
> lenses were sitting on the table. We first checked the alignment of the two
> upstream mirrors with paper and then tried to center the spot on the last
> mirror with paper, without any lens in the system. This last mirror was
> completely misaligned. We saw this when we first tried to align by
> centering the unfocussed beam in the tube, using burn spots on paper. This
> method allowed us a rough alignment. We moved the X/Y-position to the four
> corners and checked that the beam was always there, same position.
>
> With the help of Stephan, we finally used the following method to align
> the beam for the combination of the last mirror and the lens:
>
> - Set laser power for the 'Laser' button to 5ms/90%
> - Put laser head including the lens on, but disconnect air hose and screw
> off exit cone
> - on a piece of wood, set the Z axis to smallest spot size
> - usually now, the beam will come out of the lens under a large angle and
> that needs to be fixed:
> - screw on cone, raise the table such that the wood almost touches the cone
> - loosen the lens part and lower it so that the cone rests on the wood
> - mark the position of the cone with a circle on the wood
> - lift the lens tube back up and screw it tight
> - unscrew the cone part
> - align exit mirror until the laser button spots are in the middle of the
> marked circle
> - screw on cone and attach air hose
>
> It is very important that the beam exits the cone straight. As said, the
> cone heated up alot when cutting before, and that translates into a lot of
> laser power lost on the inside of the cone walls.
>
> The current setup has the old, 'bad' lens back into service, but the cuts
> are actually pretty decent now. A lot better what I got when I wrote the
> last mail.
>
> Also worth mentioning is that the alignment plate for the last mirror is
> not of very high quality. The aluminum plate that holds the last mirror
> sometimes gets caught in the thread of the upper spring-screw combination
> and then the uppermost aligment screw does not touch the plate below it
> anymore. By investing A LOT of time to carefully finding a sweet spot for
> this exit mirror, we have it in a position now where all three aligment
> screws safely touch the plate, AND the mirror is aligned well. This was a
> very tedious process today and I would suggest one doesn't mess with that
> mirror without a very good reason - finding the right setting there is
> pretty delicate.
>
> I do not know the IOR of the lens material for 10um IR, but it seems to be
> very high. A small misaligment will make the beam exit under a big angle
> out of the lens. This is also why I suspect that an optical alignment isn't
> too helpful.
>
> Oh, about the idea that came up that one might use a IR-filterless webcam
> to see the beam. I think it should be noted somewhere: No way. We are
> almost talking about microwaves here, this is far IR!
>
> And regarding the idea that the missing coating on the lens might damage
> the tube because a larger fraction of laser power gets reflected back: I
> contest that idea. CO2 lasers are up to 20% efficient and I doubt that
> there is a significant fraction of those 20% being reflected back into the
> laser (even if it would be in phase with the resonator) - as the cutting
> works a lot better again! And the cooling of the tube already has to deal
> with the 80% waste...
>
> Also, I put some black tape on the aligment screws, so that one can figure
> out the current settings.
>
> Last but not least, we should really make sure that the air pump never
> gets disconnected from power - and maybe replace it with something more
> powerful, a compressor maybe?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Onno
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
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From drorex at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 09:12:19 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 09:12:19 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Birmingham Mill
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Pretty sure our building does have 3 phase power, but I'm not sure how hard
it would be to get into our unit (it may already be in our walls, or it
might require some more wiring). I think it depends on the actual size of
the machine, but if you were willing to handle getting it into the space
and getting it running and everything, I bet we could make room for it.

The current mini mill is on long-term loan (aka he doesn't want to give up
ownership of it, but plans to leave it here for the foreseeable future),
and it's from Garratt I believe?

On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 9:01 AM, slick <slick at rebelbase.com> wrote:

> While I'd love to have a full sized knee mill in the joint, there are
> more challenges in addition to space, they usually take 3 phase power,
> and they are a pain in the ass to move. I think a bench top mill would
> be much more suitable for our space.  Just my 2 cents.
>
> As to the handles for the wheels on the little guy in there now, we
> can turn some out of brass on the lathe if we can't get the originals.
>
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 3:18 AM, James Mulroy <james.d.mulroy at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I was wondering who dropped off the Birmingham mill?  Is it on loan, or
> was
> > it donated?
> >
> > I plan to help clean it up and get it running with one of the other
> members,
> > also I have machining experience and I'm in a machinist program.  I
> noticed
> > that the screw-in handles for the x and y axes are missing, does the
> owner
> > still have those?  Sure, you can use it by just turning the wheel, but
> that
> > would be a complete pain in the butt.  It sure would be great if we could
> > get those handles...
> >
> > Also, I noticed that the mill doesn't have any locks for x,y, or z axes.
> >  Normally, on a larger machine, if you're cutting in one axis, you might
> > lock the other two so that it doesn't move.  This is especially true for
> the
> > z axis which can get bumped, or slowly move up as you're cutting a block
> of
> > metal.  And nobody wants an unintentional taper in the middle of their
> part.
> >  Do these smaller mills not normally come with a locking mechanism for
> each
> > axis?  I find it kind of bizarre.
> >
> > And finally--let's suppose that at some point in the future that I come
> > across an old used full size milling machine--like a Bridgeport or a
> > Prototrak--maybe something that someone no longer wants in their personal
> > shop, or a school is getting rid of for cheap.  Would AMT be able to make
> > room for it if I took responsibility for keeping it running (granted,
> people
> > supply their own tooling).
> >
> > -James
> >
> > --
> > James Mulroy
> > Student Researcher
> > PCWorld Contributor
> > james.d.mulroy at gmail.com
> > 510.269.3437
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Discuss mailing list
> > Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> >
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From drorex at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 09:17:49 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 09:17:49 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Laser status
In-Reply-To: <20120127021948.9cf170d1.onno@gmx.net>
References: <20120127021948.9cf170d1.onno@gmx.net>
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Awesome, thanks guys for finishing that up. Good idea on the alignment
method, I was thinking as I left that it might be hard to get completely
accurate positioning with the blue tape over the hole method. Hopefully the
screws are sturdy enough that they don't wiggle loose as the laser head
zooms around.

For the air pump, one of the steps on the checklist is to ensure it's
running before starting cutting, eg feel with your finger or a piece of
paper or something to make sure air is coming out of the nozzle. However
maybe bolting it down to something so it doesn't wiggle loose might be a
good idea.

I still think we should replace the lens, it's not extremely expensive.
Aaron I think mentioned at the meeting that there's a distributor in nevada
that we might be able to get them from?

On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 2:19 AM, Onno Kortmann <onno at gmx.net> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> short update on the status of the Laser cutter:
>
> I came late to the meeting, so I do not know what was discussed about the
> laser. But I talked to Dave (you still get laser time money from me :) and
> he was in the process of installing the other, engraving lens.
>
> Mark and I took over after the laser head had been unscrewed and the two
> lenses were sitting on the table. We first checked the alignment of the two
> upstream mirrors with paper and then tried to center the spot on the last
> mirror with paper, without any lens in the system. This last mirror was
> completely misaligned. We saw this when we first tried to align by
> centering the unfocussed beam in the tube, using burn spots on paper. This
> method allowed us a rough alignment. We moved the X/Y-position to the four
> corners and checked that the beam was always there, same position.
>
> With the help of Stephan, we finally used the following method to align
> the beam for the combination of the last mirror and the lens:
>
> - Set laser power for the 'Laser' button to 5ms/90%
> - Put laser head including the lens on, but disconnect air hose and screw
> off exit cone
> - on a piece of wood, set the Z axis to smallest spot size
> - usually now, the beam will come out of the lens under a large angle and
> that needs to be fixed:
> - screw on cone, raise the table such that the wood almost touches the cone
> - loosen the lens part and lower it so that the cone rests on the wood
> - mark the position of the cone with a circle on the wood
> - lift the lens tube back up and screw it tight
> - unscrew the cone part
> - align exit mirror until the laser button spots are in the middle of the
> marked circle
> - screw on cone and attach air hose
>
> It is very important that the beam exits the cone straight. As said, the
> cone heated up alot when cutting before, and that translates into a lot of
> laser power lost on the inside of the cone walls.
>
> The current setup has the old, 'bad' lens back into service, but the cuts
> are actually pretty decent now. A lot better what I got when I wrote the
> last mail.
>
> Also worth mentioning is that the alignment plate for the last mirror is
> not of very high quality. The aluminum plate that holds the last mirror
> sometimes gets caught in the thread of the upper spring-screw combination
> and then the uppermost aligment screw does not touch the plate below it
> anymore. By investing A LOT of time to carefully finding a sweet spot for
> this exit mirror, we have it in a position now where all three aligment
> screws safely touch the plate, AND the mirror is aligned well. This was a
> very tedious process today and I would suggest one doesn't mess with that
> mirror without a very good reason - finding the right setting there is
> pretty delicate.
>
> I do not know the IOR of the lens material for 10um IR, but it seems to be
> very high. A small misaligment will make the beam exit under a big angle
> out of the lens. This is also why I suspect that an optical alignment isn't
> too helpful.
>
> Oh, about the idea that came up that one might use a IR-filterless webcam
> to see the beam. I think it should be noted somewhere: No way. We are
> almost talking about microwaves here, this is far IR!
>
> And regarding the idea that the missing coating on the lens might damage
> the tube because a larger fraction of laser power gets reflected back: I
> contest that idea. CO2 lasers are up to 20% efficient and I doubt that
> there is a significant fraction of those 20% being reflected back into the
> laser (even if it would be in phase with the resonator) - as the cutting
> works a lot better again! And the cooling of the tube already has to deal
> with the 80% waste...
>
> Also, I put some black tape on the aligment screws, so that one can figure
> out the current settings.
>
> Last but not least, we should really make sure that the air pump never
> gets disconnected from power - and maybe replace it with something more
> powerful, a compressor maybe?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Onno
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Fri Jan 27 09:58:06 2012
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigong Billings)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 09:58:06 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Birmingham Mill
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References: <CAC+6sma4GwWBXT5eZLHvjpFf=VV+K3DxCEsEFUNCX0Pci3TM1Q@mail.gmail.com>
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AFAIK, the power in the laser room is triple phase. I think we checked that when we moved in.

Yes, the current mill is Garratt's. I would like a larger mill and lathe for machining metal eventually. It has been a long term goal.

Al

On Jan 27, 2012, at 9:12 AM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:

> Pretty sure our building does have 3 phase power, but I'm not sure how hard it would be to get into our unit (it may already be in our walls, or it might require some more wiring). I think it depends on the actual size of the machine, but if you were willing to handle getting it into the space and getting it running and everything, I bet we could make room for it. 
> 
> The current mini mill is on long-term loan (aka he doesn't want to give up ownership of it, but plans to leave it here for the foreseeable future), and it's from Garratt I believe?
> 
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 9:01 AM, slick <slick at rebelbase.com> wrote:
> While I'd love to have a full sized knee mill in the joint, there are
> more challenges in addition to space, they usually take 3 phase power,
> and they are a pain in the ass to move. I think a bench top mill would
> be much more suitable for our space.  Just my 2 cents.
> 
> As to the handles for the wheels on the little guy in there now, we
> can turn some out of brass on the lathe if we can't get the originals.
> 
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 3:18 AM, James Mulroy <james.d.mulroy at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I was wondering who dropped off the Birmingham mill?  Is it on loan, or was
> > it donated?
> >
> > I plan to help clean it up and get it running with one of the other members,
> > also I have machining experience and I'm in a machinist program.  I noticed
> > that the screw-in handles for the x and y axes are missing, does the owner
> > still have those?  Sure, you can use it by just turning the wheel, but that
> > would be a complete pain in the butt.  It sure would be great if we could
> > get those handles...
> >
> > Also, I noticed that the mill doesn't have any locks for x,y, or z axes.
> >  Normally, on a larger machine, if you're cutting in one axis, you might
> > lock the other two so that it doesn't move.  This is especially true for the
> > z axis which can get bumped, or slowly move up as you're cutting a block of
> > metal.  And nobody wants an unintentional taper in the middle of their part.
> >  Do these smaller mills not normally come with a locking mechanism for each
> > axis?  I find it kind of bizarre.
> >
> > And finally--let's suppose that at some point in the future that I come
> > across an old used full size milling machine--like a Bridgeport or a
> > Prototrak--maybe something that someone no longer wants in their personal
> > shop, or a school is getting rid of for cheap.  Would AMT be able to make
> > room for it if I took responsibility for keeping it running (granted, people
> > supply their own tooling).
> >
> > -James
> >
> > --
> > James Mulroy
> > Student Researcher
> > PCWorld Contributor
> > james.d.mulroy at gmail.com
> > 510.269.3437
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Discuss mailing list
> > Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
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From slick at rebelbase.com  Fri Jan 27 10:01:54 2012
From: slick at rebelbase.com (slick)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 10:01:54 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Laser status
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXeJo==Jeg32X5uRifM_D0WJmyBF9dwBVekzvoxiw3icnRw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20120127021948.9cf170d1.onno@gmx.net>
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I looked some more, and I think the company I was thinking of is Full
Spectrum Lasers.  It looks like they've redone their site and raised
their prices.

http://fslaser.com/products/accessories-1/lenses

although the do still have 40w CO2 laser tubes for $300 and I believe
the same 80w tube we have for $1500

http://fslaser.com/products/accessories-1/replacement-laser-tubes

On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 9:17 AM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
> Awesome, thanks guys for finishing that up. Good idea on the alignment
> method, I was thinking as I left that it might be hard to get completely
> accurate positioning with the blue tape over the hole method. Hopefully the
> screws are sturdy enough that they don't wiggle loose as the laser head
> zooms around.
>
> For the air pump, one of the steps on the checklist is to ensure it's
> running before starting cutting, eg feel with your finger or a piece of
> paper or something to make sure air is coming out of the nozzle. However
> maybe bolting it down to something so it doesn't wiggle loose might be a
> good idea.
>
> I still think we should replace the lens, it's not extremely expensive.
> Aaron I think mentioned at the meeting that there's a?distributor?in nevada
> that we might be able to get them from?
>
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 2:19 AM, Onno Kortmann <onno at gmx.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> short update on the status of the Laser cutter:
>>
>> I came late to the meeting, so I do not know what was discussed about the
>> laser. But I talked to Dave (you still get laser time money from me :) and
>> he was in the process of installing the other, engraving lens.
>>
>> Mark and I took over after the laser head had been unscrewed and the two
>> lenses were sitting on the table. We first checked the alignment of the two
>> upstream mirrors with paper and then tried to center the spot on the last
>> mirror with paper, without any lens in the system. This last mirror was
>> completely misaligned. We saw this when we first tried to align by centering
>> the unfocussed beam in the tube, using burn spots on paper. This method
>> allowed us a rough alignment. We moved the X/Y-position to the four corners
>> and checked that the beam was always there, same position.
>>
>> With the help of Stephan, we finally used the following method to align
>> the beam for the combination of the last mirror and the lens:
>>
>> - Set laser power for the 'Laser' button to 5ms/90%
>> - Put laser head including the lens on, but disconnect air hose and screw
>> off exit cone
>> - on a piece of wood, set the Z axis to smallest spot size
>> - usually now, the beam will come out of the lens under a large angle and
>> that needs to be fixed:
>> - screw on cone, raise the table such that the wood almost touches the
>> cone
>> - loosen the lens part and lower it so that the cone rests on the wood
>> - mark the position of the cone with a circle on the wood
>> - lift the lens tube back up and screw it tight
>> - unscrew the cone part
>> - align exit mirror until the laser button spots are in the middle of the
>> marked circle
>> - screw on cone and attach air hose
>>
>> It is very important that the beam exits the cone straight. As said, the
>> cone heated up alot when cutting before, and that translates into a lot of
>> laser power lost on the inside of the cone walls.
>>
>> The current setup has the old, 'bad' lens back into service, but the cuts
>> are actually pretty decent now. A lot better what I got when I wrote the
>> last mail.
>>
>> Also worth mentioning is that the alignment plate for the last mirror is
>> not of very high quality. The aluminum plate that holds the last mirror
>> sometimes gets caught in the thread of the upper spring-screw combination
>> and then the uppermost aligment screw does not touch the plate below it
>> anymore. By investing A LOT of time to carefully finding a sweet spot for
>> this exit mirror, we have it in a position now where all three aligment
>> screws safely touch the plate, AND the mirror is aligned well. This was a
>> very tedious process today and I would suggest one doesn't mess with that
>> mirror without a very good reason - finding the right setting there is
>> pretty delicate.
>>
>> I do not know the IOR of the lens material for 10um IR, but it seems to be
>> very high. A small misaligment will make the beam exit under a big angle out
>> of the lens. This is also why I suspect that an optical alignment isn't too
>> helpful.
>>
>> Oh, about the idea that came up that one might use a IR-filterless webcam
>> to see the beam. I think it should be noted somewhere: No way. We are almost
>> talking about microwaves here, this is far IR!
>>
>> And regarding the idea that the missing coating on the lens might damage
>> the tube because a larger fraction of laser power gets reflected back: I
>> contest that idea. CO2 lasers are up to 20% efficient and I doubt that there
>> is a significant fraction of those 20% being reflected back into the laser
>> (even if it would be in phase with the resonator) - as the cutting works a
>> lot better again! And the cooling of the tube already has to deal with the
>> 80% waste...
>>
>> Also, I put some black tape on the aligment screws, so that one can figure
>> out the current settings.
>>
>> Last but not least, we should really make sure that the air pump never
>> gets disconnected from power - and maybe replace it with something more
>> powerful, a compressor maybe?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Onno
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>


From garrattgallagher at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 10:05:19 2012
From: garrattgallagher at gmail.com (Garratt Gallagher)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 10:05:19 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Birmingham Mill
In-Reply-To: <D0AA3D34-9425-46EE-A06E-C7631195122F@openbuddha.com>
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I do not have any more parts for the mill, so we might just have to
make handles.
I'd be interested in learning how to use the mill more - let me know
if you are willing to demo usage.

Garratt

On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Al Jigong Billings
<albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> AFAIK, the power in the laser room is triple phase. I think we checked that
> when we moved in.
>
> Yes, the current mill is Garratt's. I would like a larger mill and lathe for
> machining metal eventually. It has been a long term goal.
>
> Al
>
>
> On Jan 27, 2012, at 9:12 AM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Pretty sure our building does have 3 phase power, but I'm not sure how hard
> it would be to get into our unit (it may already be in our walls, or it
> might require some more wiring). I think it depends on the actual size of
> the machine, but if you were willing to handle getting it into the space and
> getting it running and everything, I bet we could make room for it.
>
> The current mini mill is on long-term loan (aka he doesn't want to give up
> ownership of it, but plans to leave it here for the?foreseeable?future), and
> it's from Garratt I believe?
>
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 9:01 AM, slick <slick at rebelbase.com> wrote:
>>
>> While I'd love to have a full sized knee mill in the joint, there are
>> more challenges in addition to space, they usually take 3 phase power,
>> and they are a pain in the ass to move. I think a bench top mill would
>> be much more suitable for our space. ?Just my 2 cents.
>>
>> As to the handles for the wheels on the little guy in there now, we
>> can turn some out of brass on the lathe if we can't get the originals.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 3:18 AM, James Mulroy <james.d.mulroy at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I was wondering who dropped off the Birmingham mill? ?Is it on loan, or
>> > was
>> > it donated?
>> >
>> > I plan to help clean it up and get it running with one of the other
>> > members,
>> > also I have machining experience and I'm in a machinist program. ?I
>> > noticed
>> > that the screw-in handles for the x and y axes are missing, does the
>> > owner
>> > still have those? ?Sure, you can use it by just turning the wheel, but
>> > that
>> > would be a complete pain in the butt. ?It sure would be great if we
>> > could
>> > get those handles...
>> >
>> > Also, I noticed that the mill doesn't have any locks for x,y, or z axes.
>> > ?Normally, on a larger machine, if you're cutting in one axis, you might
>> > lock the other two so that it doesn't move. ?This is especially true for
>> > the
>> > z axis which can get bumped, or slowly move up as you're cutting a block
>> > of
>> > metal. ?And nobody wants an unintentional taper in the middle of their
>> > part.
>> > ?Do these smaller mills not normally come with a locking mechanism for
>> > each
>> > axis? ?I find it kind of bizarre.
>> >
>> > And finally--let's suppose that at some point in the future that I come
>> > across an old used full size milling machine--like a Bridgeport or a
>> > Prototrak--maybe something that someone no longer wants in their
>> > personal
>> > shop, or a school is getting rid of for cheap. ?Would AMT be able to
>> > make
>> > room for it if I took responsibility for keeping it running (granted,
>> > people
>> > supply their own tooling).
>> >
>> > -James
>> >
>> > --
>> > James Mulroy
>> > Student Researcher
>> > PCWorld Contributor
>> > james.d.mulroy at gmail.com
>> > 510.269.3437
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Discuss mailing list
>> > Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
>
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From drorex at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 10:05:50 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 10:05:50 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Crewmembers needed for spaceship mission - Sunday 5pm
Message-ID: <CACAQXeL=_4UogEJUD6oSMt83_RKf1WjkMdzvK46LHnO3Ad2xWQ@mail.gmail.com>

There's no one day that everyone is available this weekend, so I'm just
picking Sunday. If the game is as awesome as it looks, i'm sure we'll do it
again in the future, so the people who can't make it this time will get
another chance.

5pm Sunday the 29th: be there or be square

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 5:21 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:

> I found an awesome looking game, it's a spaceship bridge simulator. I need
> people to be the crew, the game takes up to six people (having all spots
> filled is ideal):
>
> Captain
> Helm
> Weapons
> Engineering
> Comms
> Science
>
> Overview of their responsibilities:
> http://artemiswiki.pbworks.com/w/page/44188987/Station%20overviews
> Sample video of what we will be doing: http://youtu.be/72XhdVqDT1g(uniforms optional)
>
> Who's up for friday night? We can use the projector at the space for our
> main screen, it'll be awesome!
>
>
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From drorex at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 10:07:48 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 10:07:48 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Laser status
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Pricy...XYZ-tech quoted me $310 for a replacement 80w tube + $100 shipping.
full spectrum however lists theirs at 10,000 hrs, ours was listed as 3,000
hrs.

On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 10:01 AM, slick <slick at rebelbase.com> wrote:

> I looked some more, and I think the company I was thinking of is Full
> Spectrum Lasers.  It looks like they've redone their site and raised
> their prices.
>
> http://fslaser.com/products/accessories-1/lenses
>
> although the do still have 40w CO2 laser tubes for $300 and I believe
> the same 80w tube we have for $1500
>
> http://fslaser.com/products/accessories-1/replacement-laser-tubes
>
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 9:17 AM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Awesome, thanks guys for finishing that up. Good idea on the alignment
> > method, I was thinking as I left that it might be hard to get completely
> > accurate positioning with the blue tape over the hole method. Hopefully
> the
> > screws are sturdy enough that they don't wiggle loose as the laser head
> > zooms around.
> >
> > For the air pump, one of the steps on the checklist is to ensure it's
> > running before starting cutting, eg feel with your finger or a piece of
> > paper or something to make sure air is coming out of the nozzle. However
> > maybe bolting it down to something so it doesn't wiggle loose might be a
> > good idea.
> >
> > I still think we should replace the lens, it's not extremely expensive.
> > Aaron I think mentioned at the meeting that there's a distributor in
> nevada
> > that we might be able to get them from?
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 2:19 AM, Onno Kortmann <onno at gmx.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> short update on the status of the Laser cutter:
> >>
> >> I came late to the meeting, so I do not know what was discussed about
> the
> >> laser. But I talked to Dave (you still get laser time money from me :)
> and
> >> he was in the process of installing the other, engraving lens.
> >>
> >> Mark and I took over after the laser head had been unscrewed and the two
> >> lenses were sitting on the table. We first checked the alignment of the
> two
> >> upstream mirrors with paper and then tried to center the spot on the
> last
> >> mirror with paper, without any lens in the system. This last mirror was
> >> completely misaligned. We saw this when we first tried to align by
> centering
> >> the unfocussed beam in the tube, using burn spots on paper. This method
> >> allowed us a rough alignment. We moved the X/Y-position to the four
> corners
> >> and checked that the beam was always there, same position.
> >>
> >> With the help of Stephan, we finally used the following method to align
> >> the beam for the combination of the last mirror and the lens:
> >>
> >> - Set laser power for the 'Laser' button to 5ms/90%
> >> - Put laser head including the lens on, but disconnect air hose and
> screw
> >> off exit cone
> >> - on a piece of wood, set the Z axis to smallest spot size
> >> - usually now, the beam will come out of the lens under a large angle
> and
> >> that needs to be fixed:
> >> - screw on cone, raise the table such that the wood almost touches the
> >> cone
> >> - loosen the lens part and lower it so that the cone rests on the wood
> >> - mark the position of the cone with a circle on the wood
> >> - lift the lens tube back up and screw it tight
> >> - unscrew the cone part
> >> - align exit mirror until the laser button spots are in the middle of
> the
> >> marked circle
> >> - screw on cone and attach air hose
> >>
> >> It is very important that the beam exits the cone straight. As said, the
> >> cone heated up alot when cutting before, and that translates into a lot
> of
> >> laser power lost on the inside of the cone walls.
> >>
> >> The current setup has the old, 'bad' lens back into service, but the
> cuts
> >> are actually pretty decent now. A lot better what I got when I wrote the
> >> last mail.
> >>
> >> Also worth mentioning is that the alignment plate for the last mirror is
> >> not of very high quality. The aluminum plate that holds the last mirror
> >> sometimes gets caught in the thread of the upper spring-screw
> combination
> >> and then the uppermost aligment screw does not touch the plate below it
> >> anymore. By investing A LOT of time to carefully finding a sweet spot
> for
> >> this exit mirror, we have it in a position now where all three aligment
> >> screws safely touch the plate, AND the mirror is aligned well. This was
> a
> >> very tedious process today and I would suggest one doesn't mess with
> that
> >> mirror without a very good reason - finding the right setting there is
> >> pretty delicate.
> >>
> >> I do not know the IOR of the lens material for 10um IR, but it seems to
> be
> >> very high. A small misaligment will make the beam exit under a big
> angle out
> >> of the lens. This is also why I suspect that an optical alignment isn't
> too
> >> helpful.
> >>
> >> Oh, about the idea that came up that one might use a IR-filterless
> webcam
> >> to see the beam. I think it should be noted somewhere: No way. We are
> almost
> >> talking about microwaves here, this is far IR!
> >>
> >> And regarding the idea that the missing coating on the lens might damage
> >> the tube because a larger fraction of laser power gets reflected back: I
> >> contest that idea. CO2 lasers are up to 20% efficient and I doubt that
> there
> >> is a significant fraction of those 20% being reflected back into the
> laser
> >> (even if it would be in phase with the resonator) - as the cutting
> works a
> >> lot better again! And the cooling of the tube already has to deal with
> the
> >> 80% waste...
> >>
> >> Also, I put some black tape on the aligment screws, so that one can
> figure
> >> out the current settings.
> >>
> >> Last but not least, we should really make sure that the air pump never
> >> gets disconnected from power - and maybe replace it with something more
> >> powerful, a compressor maybe?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Onno
> >> _______________________________________________
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Fri Jan 27 10:11:44 2012
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigong Billings)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 10:11:44 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Crewmembers needed for spaceship mission - Sunday 5pm
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I'm out. I have my niece's 1st birthday party and then I'm going to see
the stage play version of Cory Doctorow's "Little Brother" in San
Francisco with friends at 7:00 PM.

On 1/27/12 10:05 AM, David Rorex wrote:
> There's no one day that everyone is available this weekend, so I'm
> just picking Sunday. If the game is as awesome as it looks, i'm sure
> we'll do it again in the future, so the people who can't make it this
> time will get another chance.
>
> 5pm Sunday the 29th: be there or be square
>



From gittel at twocats.com  Fri Jan 27 12:34:45 2012
From: gittel at twocats.com (Mike Gittelsohn)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 12:34:45 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Birmingham Mill
In-Reply-To: <D0AA3D34-9425-46EE-A06E-C7631195122F@openbuddha.com>
References: <CAC+6sma4GwWBXT5eZLHvjpFf=VV+K3DxCEsEFUNCX0Pci3TM1Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Greg Neidiger, the electrician who installed the 220 volt line for the
laser, confirmed that we have 3-phase power downstairs.

Mike

On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Al Jigong Billings
<albill at openbuddha.com>wrote:

> AFAIK, the power in the laser room is triple phase. I think we checked
> that when we moved in.
>
> Yes, the current mill is Garratt's. I would like a larger mill and lathe
> for machining metal eventually. It has been a long term goal.
>
> Al
>
>
> On Jan 27, 2012, at 9:12 AM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Pretty sure our building does have 3 phase power, but I'm not sure how
> hard it would be to get into our unit (it may already be in our walls, or
> it might require some more wiring). I think it depends on the actual size
> of the machine, but if you were willing to handle getting it into the space
> and getting it running and everything, I bet we could make room for it.
>
> The current mini mill is on long-term loan (aka he doesn't want to give up
> ownership of it, but plans to leave it here for the foreseeable future),
> and it's from Garratt I believe?
>
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 9:01 AM, slick <slick at rebelbase.com> wrote:
>
>> While I'd love to have a full sized knee mill in the joint, there are
>> more challenges in addition to space, they usually take 3 phase power,
>> and they are a pain in the ass to move. I think a bench top mill would
>> be much more suitable for our space.  Just my 2 cents.
>>
>> As to the handles for the wheels on the little guy in there now, we
>> can turn some out of brass on the lathe if we can't get the originals.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 3:18 AM, James Mulroy <james.d.mulroy at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I was wondering who dropped off the Birmingham mill?  Is it on loan, or
>> was
>> > it donated?
>> >
>> > I plan to help clean it up and get it running with one of the other
>> members,
>> > also I have machining experience and I'm in a machinist program.  I
>> noticed
>> > that the screw-in handles for the x and y axes are missing, does the
>> owner
>> > still have those?  Sure, you can use it by just turning the wheel, but
>> that
>> > would be a complete pain in the butt.  It sure would be great if we
>> could
>> > get those handles...
>> >
>> > Also, I noticed that the mill doesn't have any locks for x,y, or z axes.
>> >  Normally, on a larger machine, if you're cutting in one axis, you might
>> > lock the other two so that it doesn't move.  This is especially true
>> for the
>> > z axis which can get bumped, or slowly move up as you're cutting a
>> block of
>> > metal.  And nobody wants an unintentional taper in the middle of their
>> part.
>> >  Do these smaller mills not normally come with a locking mechanism for
>> each
>> > axis?  I find it kind of bizarre.
>> >
>> > And finally--let's suppose that at some point in the future that I come
>> > across an old used full size milling machine--like a Bridgeport or a
>> > Prototrak--maybe something that someone no longer wants in their
>> personal
>> > shop, or a school is getting rid of for cheap.  Would AMT be able to
>> make
>> > room for it if I took responsibility for keeping it running (granted,
>> people
>> > supply their own tooling).
>> >
>> > -James
>> >
>> > --
>> > James Mulroy
>> > Student Researcher
>> > PCWorld Contributor
>> > james.d.mulroy at gmail.com
>> > 510.269.3437
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Discuss mailing list
>> > Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
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>
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
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From rachel at xtreme.com  Sun Jan 29 19:25:40 2012
From: rachel at xtreme.com (Rachel McConnell)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 19:25:40 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Crewmembers needed for spaceship mission
In-Reply-To: <CACAQXeKx6U+NO5VADAmFPy1n_To2gBQMEVQO_E=-BRPqTSs59w@mail.gmail.com>
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This was super fun!  I encourage other people to learn it, it was only 
moderately baffling to a complete n00b and I figure after another game 
or two I'll be quite comfortable in several of the roles.  You really 
have to play as a team, you don't have to worry about Everything, but 
you do have to go pretty deep into your bits.  I expect it's kind of 
like RUNNING AN ACTUAL SHIP.  Dave when do you want to play again?

Mac wonkery:  Turns out it's a Windows only app, but Dave suggested a 
thing called Winery to run it on my Mac without going to the trouble of 
setting up a full Win instance in an emulator.  For others who might 
want to do this, I followed the instructions here:

http://artemiswiki.pbworks.com/w/page/43819518/How%20to%20run%20Artemis%20on%20the%20Mac

And it worked great.  Winery is a thing that lets you create 
special-purpose .app bundles that start up a Wine instance and 
automatically run the Win app you installed on it.  I'm going to run a 
lot more off of this going forward I can tell you!  It does not require 
a full Windows install (it's based on Wine [Is Not an Emulator] q.v. 
winehq.org for details) nor does it require you to install XCode, 
Macports, and X11 like Wine solo does.  Of course if you have all that 
already, and I used to before I blew up my hard drive, then you probably 
don't need Winery.  But it was quite easy to set up (although their 
terminology was kind of annoying) and it worked great. 
</new-convert-preaching>

Rachel

On 1/25/12 5:21 PM, David Rorex wrote:
> I found an awesome looking game, it's a spaceship bridge simulator. I
> need people to be the crew, the game takes up to six people (having all
> spots filled is ideal):
>
> Captain
> Helm
> Weapons
> Engineering
> Comms
> Science
>
> Overview of their responsibilities:
> http://artemiswiki.pbworks.com/w/page/44188987/Station%20overviews
> Sample video of what we will be doing: http://youtu.be/72XhdVqDT1g
> (uniforms optional)
>
> Who's up for friday night? We can use the projector at the space for our
> main screen, it'll be awesome!
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss


From interrupt80h at gmail.com  Sun Jan 29 20:03:13 2012
From: interrupt80h at gmail.com (interrupt80h at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:03:13 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Crewmembers needed for spaceship mission
In-Reply-To: <4F260DB4.3000000@xtreme.com>
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I enjoyed it and would be down for playing more in the future if we
can get a full crew complement together. And some speakers set up.

Also, you really do need windows. I didn't have any luck with
VirtualBox or Wine on Debian, so I'd really recommend a real VM (i.e.
vmware), Winery or an actual windows thing.

wooster

On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Rachel McConnell <rachel at xtreme.com> wrote:
> This was super fun! ?I encourage other people to learn it, it was only
> moderately baffling to a complete n00b and I figure after another game or
> two I'll be quite comfortable in several of the roles. ?You really have to
> play as a team, you don't have to worry about Everything, but you do have to
> go pretty deep into your bits. ?I expect it's kind of like RUNNING AN ACTUAL
> SHIP. ?Dave when do you want to play again?
>
> Mac wonkery: ?Turns out it's a Windows only app, but Dave suggested a thing
> called Winery to run it on my Mac without going to the trouble of setting up
> a full Win instance in an emulator. ?For others who might want to do this, I
> followed the instructions here:
>
> http://artemiswiki.pbworks.com/w/page/43819518/How%20to%20run%20Artemis%20on%20the%20Mac
>
> And it worked great. ?Winery is a thing that lets you create special-purpose
> .app bundles that start up a Wine instance and automatically run the Win app
> you installed on it. ?I'm going to run a lot more off of this going forward
> I can tell you! ?It does not require a full Windows install (it's based on
> Wine [Is Not an Emulator] q.v. winehq.org for details) nor does it require
> you to install XCode, Macports, and X11 like Wine solo does. ?Of course if
> you have all that already, and I used to before I blew up my hard drive,
> then you probably don't need Winery. ?But it was quite easy to set up
> (although their terminology was kind of annoying) and it worked great.
> </new-convert-preaching>
>
> Rachel
>
>
> On 1/25/12 5:21 PM, David Rorex wrote:
>>
>> I found an awesome looking game, it's a spaceship bridge simulator. I
>> need people to be the crew, the game takes up to six people (having all
>> spots filled is ideal):
>>
>> Captain
>> Helm
>> Weapons
>> Engineering
>> Comms
>> Science
>>
>> Overview of their responsibilities:
>> http://artemiswiki.pbworks.com/w/page/44188987/Station%20overviews
>> Sample video of what we will be doing: http://youtu.be/72XhdVqDT1g
>> (uniforms optional)
>>
>> Who's up for friday night? We can use the projector at the space for our
>> main screen, it'll be awesome!
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss


From drorex at gmail.com  Sun Jan 29 20:46:30 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:46:30 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Fwd: Would someone in your group be willing to sell me Prusa
	Mendel parts?
Message-ID: <CACAQXeJHY0xhq2QbdeNjHMUe6iBqDM5-hCPADuoV-7K8jvsZxQ@mail.gmail.com>

Al, wanna sell your prusa mendel parts to this guy? Since you bought that
other kit anyway. Or anyone else want to mold some parts for him?
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From drorex at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 10:25:01 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 10:25:01 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Artemis mission for next week
Message-ID: <CACAQXeJaYHMetVSYjgtxC+xEZEe5dyR9iGhFY3hLXp05a3Up=A@mail.gmail.com>

It was fun, we definitely should do it again. Next time I think we should
spend a little more time figuring out the controls instead of just blasting
off at the beginning. Here's the signup sheet for next week, highlight the
days you could possibly make it: http://whenisgood.net/girqzjz
I highly recommend reading the help pages on the wiki below for all the
different stations to get an idea of what the controls are.

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 5:21 PM, David Rorex <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:

> I found an awesome looking game, it's a spaceship bridge simulator. I need
> people to be the crew, the game takes up to six people (having all spots
> filled is ideal):
>
> Captain
> Helm
> Weapons
> Engineering
> Comms
> Science
>
> Overview of their responsibilities:
> http://artemiswiki.pbworks.com/w/page/44188987/Station%20overviews
> Sample video of what we will be doing: http://youtu.be/72XhdVqDT1g(uniforms optional)
>
> Who's up for friday night? We can use the projector at the space for our
> main screen, it'll be awesome!
>
>
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Mon Jan 30 13:06:54 2012
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigong Billings)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 13:06:54 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] B-Sides San Francisco
Message-ID: <4F27066E.3040706@openbuddha.com>

Anyone going to B-Sides San Francisco at the end of February?

http://www.securitybsides.com/w/page/47572893/BSidesSanFrancisco2012

Al


From drorex at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 13:20:28 2012
From: drorex at gmail.com (David Rorex)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 13:20:28 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] B-Sides San Francisco
In-Reply-To: <4F27066E.3040706@openbuddha.com>
References: <4F27066E.3040706@openbuddha.com>
Message-ID: <CACAQXeKbt5ZOouu_VFkpm_VCF=Mm-13xqcn1gSC5Fh2Qib=YWQ@mail.gmail.com>

Is it just me or is the schedule on that page completely empty?

On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Al Jigong Billings
<albill at openbuddha.com>wrote:

> Anyone going to B-Sides San Francisco at the end of February?
>
> http://www.securitybsides.com/w/page/47572893/BSidesSanFrancisco2012
>
> Al
> _______________________________________________
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From albill at openbuddha.com  Mon Jan 30 13:21:31 2012
From: albill at openbuddha.com (Al Jigong Billings)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 13:21:31 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] B-Sides San Francisco
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Message-ID: <4F2709DB.7050402@openbuddha.com>

It is community driven and they're still voting on presentations.

On 1/30/12 1:20 PM, David Rorex wrote:
> Is it just me or is the schedule on that page completely empty?
>
> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Al Jigong Billings
> <albill at openbuddha.com <mailto:albill at openbuddha.com>> wrote:
>
>     Anyone going to B-Sides San Francisco at the end of February?
>
>     http://www.securitybsides.com/w/page/47572893/BSidesSanFrancisco2012
>
>     Al
>

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From louise.s.fox at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 16:39:52 2012
From: louise.s.fox at gmail.com (Louise Fox)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:39:52 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] laser cutting awesomeness
Message-ID: <CAPxmc0GKTfZgSOcNQ_Uy_qz=EotNBVtWu_ZbU0zajnWN5EXyOw@mail.gmail.com>

http://occasional-episode.blogspot.com/2009/09/scott-campbell.html

-- 
Louise Fox
Mechanical Engineer


From emprameen at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 10:42:13 2012
From: emprameen at gmail.com (Rameen)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:42:13 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Fwd: Mini Maker Faire: Call For Presenters,
	O'Reilly Strata Conference
In-Reply-To: <1328032239.17085.0.676231@post.oreilly.com>
References: <1328032239.17085.0.676231@post.oreilly.com>
Message-ID: <CALTN=UuVO9-tDjagJUbapE2iQ2gg9he-yu9DD+R6zFWLsXvJ1w@mail.gmail.com>

Woot!

If anyone is interested, I'd love to help coordinate and administrate!!

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Date: Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 9:50 AM
Subject: Mini Maker Faire: Call For Presenters, O'Reilly Strata Conference
To: emprameen at gmail.com


Dear Maker:

Strata Conference is hosting a Mini Maker Faire in Santa Clara on Tuesday,
February 28, 2012 and we would like to invite you to submit your project
for consideration. Our goal is to expose more people to the Maker movement,
which promotes innovation and a DIY approach at the intersection of art,
science, and technology. We are particularly interested in anything having
to do with sensors and data visualization, but don't be shy if you have
other project types as well.

Learn more and submit your project for consideration at:
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We hope to hear from you soon,
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From slick at rebelbase.com  Tue Jan 31 17:09:45 2012
From: slick at rebelbase.com (slick)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:09:45 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] mini quads
Message-ID: <CAMmuSoth7TDUUFkT45Ke3tNLuZqHZAncJ+p5ENJzRw1o-QkZ+g@mail.gmail.com>

Tiny quad copters in formation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQIMGV5vtd4


From romanian at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 17:17:48 2012
From: romanian at gmail.com (Stefan Hristu)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:17:48 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] mini quads
In-Reply-To: <CAMmuSoth7TDUUFkT45Ke3tNLuZqHZAncJ+p5ENJzRw1o-QkZ+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMmuSoth7TDUUFkT45Ke3tNLuZqHZAncJ+p5ENJzRw1o-QkZ+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPdpSwzf64hT050mY=S1eP8fXB51gf4U6_59dMvfU5uTUKJj=w@mail.gmail.com>

I love this. This is exactly what i want for world domination and control
of information :)

On Tuesday, January 31, 2012, slick <slick at rebelbase.com> wrote:
> Tiny quad copters in formation.
> A Swarm of Nano Quadrotors
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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From maltman23 at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 31 17:26:24 2012
From: maltman23 at hotmail.com (Mitch Altman)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:26:24 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] Yesmen to be keynote speakers at HOPE #9
Message-ID: <SNT102-W368BFD514BAB4F0E800B32B8730@phx.gbl>


The Yesmen just agreed to be keynote speakers at HOPE #9 conference!


HOPE #9 will take place in NYC, July 13-15.

Visit 
http://store.2600.com/hopenumbernine.html
to register for HOPE Number 
Nine at the discounted rate.


By posing as "experts", the Yesmen have gotten themselves invited to WTO conferences and weapons confernces.  They been quoted live on BBC TV as spokespersons for Dow Chemical.  And, unlike any of the agents who actually work for the organizations or corporations they claimed to represent (and were believed to represent) they told the truth!  That tends to put those organizations and corporations in quite interesting tight spots.  :)
http://www.yesmen.com/


The Yesmen are but one reason to get your discounted HOPE #9 conference tickets.  There will be 2,500 of the more interesting, creative, friendly people on planet Earth.  There will be lots of workshops.  There will be talks all day and night throughout the conference.  There will be art.  There will be craft.  There will be a huge Hackerspace Village!  There will be lots of fun!

 

 

Mitch.

  		 	   		  

From robertcook at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 17:27:57 2012
From: robertcook at gmail.com (Robert Cook)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:27:57 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] mini quads
In-Reply-To: <CAPdpSwzf64hT050mY=S1eP8fXB51gf4U6_59dMvfU5uTUKJj=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMmuSoth7TDUUFkT45Ke3tNLuZqHZAncJ+p5ENJzRw1o-QkZ+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPdpSwzf64hT050mY=S1eP8fXB51gf4U6_59dMvfU5uTUKJj=w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8A852D4A-8EBA-404A-852E-A9AC06CF0335@gmail.com>

That's the first thing I've seen that's impressive enough to be from the year 2012.

On Jan 31, 2012, at 5:17 PM, Stefan Hristu wrote:

> I love this. This is exactly what i want for world domination and control of information :)
> 
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2012, slick <slick at rebelbase.com> wrote:
> > Tiny quad copters in formation.
> > A Swarm of Nano Quadrotors
> > _______________________________________________
> > Discuss mailing list
> > Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> > _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss

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From slick at rebelbase.com  Tue Jan 31 19:21:16 2012
From: slick at rebelbase.com (slick)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:21:16 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] mini quads
In-Reply-To: <8A852D4A-8EBA-404A-852E-A9AC06CF0335@gmail.com>
References: <CAMmuSoth7TDUUFkT45Ke3tNLuZqHZAncJ+p5ENJzRw1o-QkZ+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPdpSwzf64hT050mY=S1eP8fXB51gf4U6_59dMvfU5uTUKJj=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<8A852D4A-8EBA-404A-852E-A9AC06CF0335@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMmuSotTTLJrVdu1kp_fBJdOx_k8nxLqnC3T-tW_vWVLfbcLsQ@mail.gmail.com>

It is pretty awesome, but when you find out that they are using a
really sophisticated computer vision system and a external control
system, it is less impressive.

On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Robert Cook <robertcook at gmail.com> wrote:
> That's the first thing I've seen that's impressive enough to be from the
> year 2012.
>
> On Jan 31, 2012, at 5:17 PM, Stefan Hristu wrote:
>
> I love this. This is exactly what i want for world domination and control of
> information :)
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2012, slick <slick at rebelbase.com> wrote:
>> Tiny quad copters in formation.
>> A Swarm of Nano Quadrotors
>> _______________________________________________
>> Discuss mailing list
>> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
>> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>


From romanian at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 19:37:12 2012
From: romanian at gmail.com (Stefan Hristu)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:37:12 -0800
Subject: [AMTD] mini quads
In-Reply-To: <CAMmuSotTTLJrVdu1kp_fBJdOx_k8nxLqnC3T-tW_vWVLfbcLsQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMmuSoth7TDUUFkT45Ke3tNLuZqHZAncJ+p5ENJzRw1o-QkZ+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPdpSwzf64hT050mY=S1eP8fXB51gf4U6_59dMvfU5uTUKJj=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<8A852D4A-8EBA-404A-852E-A9AC06CF0335@gmail.com>
	<CAMmuSotTTLJrVdu1kp_fBJdOx_k8nxLqnC3T-tW_vWVLfbcLsQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPdpSwyk_cwVFVXQNu-6P0+BS99wcxhwMPuMtQDPnv5MPOCdcQ@mail.gmail.com>

I still want one.
On Jan 31, 2012 7:21 PM, "slick" <slick at rebelbase.com> wrote:

> It is pretty awesome, but when you find out that they are using a
> really sophisticated computer vision system and a external control
> system, it is less impressive.
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Robert Cook <robertcook at gmail.com> wrote:
> > That's the first thing I've seen that's impressive enough to be from the
> > year 2012.
> >
> > On Jan 31, 2012, at 5:17 PM, Stefan Hristu wrote:
> >
> > I love this. This is exactly what i want for world domination and
> control of
> > information :)
> >
> > On Tuesday, January 31, 2012, slick <slick at rebelbase.com> wrote:
> >> Tiny quad copters in formation.
> >> A Swarm of Nano Quadrotors
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Discuss mailing list
> >> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> >> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> >> _______________________________________________
> > Discuss mailing list
> > Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Discuss mailing list
> > Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> > http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss at lists.acemonstertoys.org
> http://lists.acemonstertoys.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
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From bernies at netaxs.com  Tue Jan 31 08:43:30 2012
From: bernies at netaxs.com (bernieS)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 11:43:30 -0500
Subject: [AMTD] Hackerspace stickers needed for WBAI - Off The Hook
	fundraiser
Message-ID: <mailman.0.1337348601.17587.discuss@lists.acemonstertoys.org>

Greetings,

On February 15th, WBAI's Off The Hook is doing a fundraising show for 
the radio station, and this radio show will be about 
hackerspaces.  We'll be giving away a package that includes a copy of 
John Baichtal's book, "Hack This: 24 Incredible Hackerspace Projects 
from the DIY Movement" (donated by QUE Publishing) to listeners who 
call to pledge financial support for listener-supported WBAI.  Your 
hackerspace is featured in this book, which will be part of the 
hackerspace premium package we'll be giving away.

Can you donate approx (30) stickers from your hackerspace for this 
cause?  We'll include one with each hackerspace premium package, and 
can mention your hackerspace on the air.  We need the stickers to be 
mailed this week.  Please let me know if you can help.  Thank you!

The mailing address is:

E Cummings
PO Box 988
Philadelphia, PA 19105-0988
USA

Thanks again,

-bernieS
WBAI-FM - Off The Hook
http://www.2600.com/offthehook